I like to play games like nariusseldon, just not particularly in my mmorpgs. The type of game he is describing is best enjoyed at an arcade with a handful of quarters. Unfortunately thats also what a AAA mmo is these days.
If you really want to go there, what you describe is not actually playing a game but playing like playing with a doll house.
Is this a Top Trumps game of shockingly bad analogies or something? If so, I think you just won.
I just think he completely missed the point of time investment style vs the jump in and out style. As always, it depends on what you want from a particular game. Which, is exactly what Foomerang was eluding too.
But you cant tell them that. They have a very unique way of twisting the subject to distort the meaning of something. There so good at it im wondering if they had to take a class for it. Distorting 101.
Originally posted by FelixMajor *dead to him* he means
Oh no, if its dead to him its dead to everyone.
Both of you know what he means. You dont even need to be told theres a underline subtext. You have been told what "dead" means in this thread. Dont try and belittle his sentiment.
The market is huge and may still be expanding. Going into a direction you do not like != dead.
In fact, i think it is becoming MORE ALIVE, solving all the old problems (like camping & finding groups with instances & LFD/LFR), while giving a large part of the games to the players for FREE.
It is getting BETTER.
the genre is dead. not the market. the business of taking old console game concepts into the mmo space is huge. the genre that attempted to make virtual worlds is dead.
Yeh. The genre of virtual world is dead. But MMOs are NOT virtual worlds anymore. They are lobby based co-op games .. and this genre is flourishing.
Then they should call them what they are with a different name or acronym for that new name and not MMORPG. Because they aren't. There is nothing "Massively Multiplayer" about them. It'll also make it easier to avoid them without having to wade through all the hype text to find out what kind of game it really is.
Semantics .. semantics ...
personally i do really care what they call them. However, the common usage today *is* MMORPG.
WOW is a MMORPG.
DCUO is a MMORPG.
DDO is a MMORPG.
I play these GAMES mostly like a lobby co-op game .. because they have features supporting this style of play. I will call them MMORPG, until the day that gamespot, gamasutra, IGN, and other gaming media starting to refer them as something else. .
Calling some of the latest releases MMORPGs is like calling a Toyota Yaris a truck. They have a lot of features in common, but they aren't able to be put into that category because of a missing identifying feature or two.
Originally posted by FelixMajor *dead to him* he means
Oh no, if its dead to him its dead to everyone.
Both of you know what he means. You dont even need to be told theres a underline subtext. You have been told what "dead" means in this thread. Dont try and belittle his sentiment.
Why do you feel you need to defend a hyperbole and self-centered statement like that? It does not deserve a serious discussion. If you claimed that the Earth was flat, I'd show you the same kind of ridicule that I show the OP. (*) (**)
*(Granted, I couldn't come up with a similarly ridiculous hyperbole argument but you get the idea.)
**(I actually read an article written by a serious reporter from a serious magazine where he basically said he was convinced that the earth was flat and we should confirm it with an opinion poll. Yes, an opinion poll. I'm still not sure if it was a troll or that the author was really, really dumb. It wasn't even April Fool's day or anything...)
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Originally posted by FelixMajor *dead to him* he means
Oh no, if its dead to him its dead to everyone.
Both of you know what he means. You dont even need to be told theres a underline subtext. You have been told what "dead" means in this thread. Dont try and belittle his sentiment.
Why do you feel you need to defend a hyperbole and self-centered statement like that? It does not deserve a serious discussion. If you claimed that the Earth was flat, I'd show you the same kind of ridicule that I show the OP. (*) (**)
*(Granted, I couldn't come up with a similarly ridiculous hyperbole argument but you get the idea.)
**(I actually read an article written by a serious reporter from a serious magazine where he basically said he was convinced that the earth was flat and we should confirm it with an opinion poll. Yes, an opinion poll. I'm still not sure if it was a troll or that the author was really, really dumb. It wasn't even April Fool's day or anything...)
Then the same can be said about your argument about travel being shallow as a hyperbole argument.
Where not talking about a fact here as in the world if flat or not. We're talking about game mechanics and how we see and interact with them. To you there boring to me there chances for new experiences. We're arguing likes and dislikes and what should be classified as a MMO these days. Not if the world is flat.
Stick to the topics and stop trying to spin the topic with redundant hypothetical's. Your just sounding ridicules now.
Did you change your major from Distorting to Derailment?
Then the same can be said about your argument about travel being shallow as a hyperbole argument.
Where not talking about a fact here as in the world if flat or not. We're talking about game mechanics and how we see and interact with them. To you there boring to me there chances for new experiences. We're arguing likes and dislikes and what should be classified as a MMO these days. Not if the world is flat.
Stick to the topics and stop trying to spin the topic with redundant hypothetical's. Your just sounding ridicules now.
Did you change your major from Distorting to Derailment?
I've said travel is boring overwhelming majority of the time and avoiding aggrobubbles is a minigame. I've not said they're shallow (you're confusing me with Axehilt).
The topic is "This genre is dead" which it isn't. Many have posted their replies why this is not true. I have not diverged from that. The premise is wrong. There shouldn't be a discussion.
And your ad hominems really don't give you credibility.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Then the same can be said about your argument about travel being shallow as a hyperbole argument.
Where not talking about a fact here as in the world if flat or not. We're talking about game mechanics and how we see and interact with them. To you there boring to me there chances for new experiences. We're arguing likes and dislikes and what should be classified as a MMO these days. Not if the world is flat.
Stick to the topics and stop trying to spin the topic with redundant hypothetical's. Your just sounding ridicules now.
Did you change your major from Distorting to Derailment?
I've said travel is boring overwhelming majority of the time and avoiding aggrobubbles is a minigame. I've not said they're shallow (you're confusing me with Axehilt).
The topic is "This genre is dead" which it isn't. Many have posted their replies why this is not true. I have not diverged from that. The premise is wrong. There shouldn't be a discussion.
And your ad hominems really don't give you credibility.
Because he describe MMO as massively multiplayer online, and not some lobby game. Where the game is focused on this virtual world where everyone play together. Base on his description he's probably right.
People like to play with terminology too much. Bye.
This genre is getting close to buckling under it's own sheer mass of stagnation. We have way too many disposable titles that bring less and less to the table. Excessive game jumping is not healthy for the industry, it spreads the butter too thin.
The King's (WOW) hull has been breached and has begun it's inevitable but slow descent. The largest budget mmorpg (SWTOR) ever created is collapsing at an alarming rate and has already announced a painfully premature squeezing of the sponge (the dreaded "F2P" switcheroo). How many investors do you think are lining up to throw big sums of moula at future projects in this industry?
All's not well in Wonderland, Mr. Seldon. In the not so distant future, something tells me you're not going to be singing the same happy tune that you do here to death.
May be not. However, who says i only play MMOs? There are plenty of good games out there ...
Just this year, i am playing D3 waiting for ...
- borderlands 2
- MOP
- Torchlight 2
and in the future, Marvel Heroes, the inevitable D3 expansion, SC2 Heart of the Swarm .... in fact, my problem is probably find time to play the games i like.
I have a feeling i would not be short of entertainment any time soon (not to mention, i read, watch movies, and a few other things). Unlike others here, if (and when) MMO does not go the way i like, i would simply quit and do something else. It is not like it is my life ... we are only talking about GAMES.
Whether it be game jumping, or apparently genre jumping as well, you seem to be ready at a moment's notice to hop off like frog at the first sign of trouble. This does not portray you as anything remotely close to a fan of anything. Fans are a necessary component to the success of any form of entertainment.
BTW I have a love of many different gaming genres, but I am nowhere near as ready as you to give up on, what is to me, the most potentially incredible of them all.
At the very least, try having some sort of standard above the need to have cheap thrill after cheap thrill constantly jammed down your throat. We have at our fingertips a genre that could be so much more.
Of course. We are talking about entertainment here. What is wrong with a little variety. If dumping 200+ hours into D3 does not make me a ARPG fan ... well, so be it. I am a fan of having fun. Now i do follow entertainment news (in particular, games, action movies, and anime) but i am not going to cry in my closet if Avenger flopped and Marvel is not going to make a second one.
Moreover, i am not responsible for the success of any form of entertainment. I use entertainment when i am bored.
Now i do not consider reading novel "cheap thrill" or spending more than 100 hours on a game "cheap thrill". And what "more" is that? A second life? I already have one. I like combat games .. and there is no reason i should not stick to what i like.
The market is huge and may still be expanding. Going into a direction you do not like != dead.
In fact, i think it is becoming MORE ALIVE, solving all the old problems (like camping & finding groups with instances & LFD/LFR), while giving a large part of the games to the players for FREE.
It is getting BETTER.
the genre is dead. not the market. the business of taking old console game concepts into the mmo space is huge. the genre that attempted to make virtual worlds is dead.
Yeh. The genre of virtual world is dead. But MMOs are NOT virtual worlds anymore. They are lobby based co-op games .. and this genre is flourishing.
Then they should call them what they are with a different name or acronym for that new name and not MMORPG. Because they aren't. There is nothing "Massively Multiplayer" about them. It'll also make it easier to avoid them without having to wade through all the hype text to find out what kind of game it really is.
Semantics .. semantics ...
personally i do really care what they call them. However, the common usage today *is* MMORPG.
WOW is a MMORPG.
DCUO is a MMORPG.
DDO is a MMORPG.
I play these GAMES mostly like a lobby co-op game .. because they have features supporting this style of play. I will call them MMORPG, until the day that gamespot, gamasutra, IGN, and other gaming media starting to refer them as something else. .
Calling some of the latest releases MMORPGs is like calling a Toyota Yaris a truck. They have a lot of features in common, but they aren't able to be put into that category because of a missing identifying feature or two.
Are you trying to change language use of the whole industry? Personally i really don't care what we call the category of games including WOW, DCUO, DDO and other similar ones. However, i will use the common usage.
If you have any luck changing the label used by all the gamestop employees, IGN, Gamespot, heck .. even the name of this site, let me know. I will surely send out a memo and call these games something else. Before that, i will still use the "MMORPG" term.
Originally posted by laokoko dude, go play Eve. Bye...
Dude go play Black Ops. Bye...
What make you think the whinner like Black Ops? he says he like sandbox game(ala virtual world) only.
and if you mean me. Don't worry about me. I don't have trouble finding game.
I was refering to you.
So there is this game. Which is 100% what seemed to match everything he described he want, and 100% opposite of things he dont' want. And he don't go play that, and keep whinning. Bye.
Your kidding right. Perhaps he doesent like space type games. Perhaps he wants a up to date mmo to play. Telling someone that theres a MMO from 14 years ago still out there. go play that, is absurd.
Then the same can be said about your argument about travel being shallow as a hyperbole argument.
Where not talking about a fact here as in the world if flat or not. We're talking about game mechanics and how we see and interact with them. To you there boring to me there chances for new experiences. We're arguing likes and dislikes and what should be classified as a MMO these days. Not if the world is flat.
Stick to the topics and stop trying to spin the topic with redundant hypothetical's. Your just sounding ridicules now.
Did you change your major from Distorting to Derailment?
I've said travel is boring overwhelming majority of the time and avoiding aggrobubbles is a minigame. I've not said they're shallow (you're confusing me with Axehilt).
Borring, Shallow. doesent mater. Hyperbole argument goes both ways.
The topic is "This genre is dead" which it isn't. Many have posted their replies why this is not true. I have not diverged from that. The premise is wrong. There shouldn't be a discussion.
And many have posted their replies why it IS true. Why shouldent there be a disussion? Because you feel it doesent warrent one? If you dont wish to take part in THIS disussion, then move one to one you do want to involve yourself in.
And your ad hominems really don't give you credibility.
Latin. Very good. But this is what you do to everyones posts that have a different viewpoint then your own. Thats why i pointed it. ( points to your "the world being falt" comment aswell)
Originally posted by laokoko dude, go play Eve. Bye...
Dude go play Black Ops. Bye...
What make you think the whinner like Black Ops? he says he like sandbox game(ala virtual world) only.
and if you mean me. Don't worry about me. I don't have trouble finding game.
I was refering to you.
So there is this game. Which is 100% what seemed to match everything he described he want, and 100% opposite of things he dont' want. And he don't go play that, and keep whinning. Bye.
Your kidding right. Perhaps he doesent like space type games. Perhaps he wants a up to date mmo to play. Telling someone that theres a MMO from 14 years ago still out there. go play that, is absurd.
I accept the he don't like space type games etc...
That's the real problem with this genre right? People quit UO, SWG. Though there are various reason, but most of the drop off come during the time when the next big MMO come out. If UO or SWG dont' fail we won't have this discussion here.
So what if the next big sandbox game come out and steal all Eve's subscriber?
That's the problem right? the mmorpg market actually isn't that big. Why can't you play a 14 year old game. It keep getting patch and keep updating.
Eve a 14 year game have 500k sub, Wow a 8 year game have 9 mil sub, lineage 1 a 14 year game have 500-750k sub. What's wrong with playing the same game for a long time?
It's annoying and frustrating, but the demand is there, and will be sated eventually. My hopes rest with archeage. I just hope I don't have kids by then so they get to have all the fun.
In other news, nariusseldon's opinions make me sick in my mouth.
Right there with ya pal.
That is funny.
You guys are affected emotionally, by some random dude (me) on the Internet? Just because i don't like what you guys like, and have no problem talking about it?
I am glad you guys are not on political forums talking about stuff that actually matters. Otherwise, you may have to see a shrink.
Yet you keep posting here. Seems like someone else cares about what some random dude (me) on the internet says.
How do you know im not in political forums? Let's hope to god YOU'RE not in political forums. With your attitude towards gaming, I can only imagine what your views are on the things that matter. Health reform, Foreign polices, National debt...
You would just jump from issue to issue and take money and shinnies from each then log out. Leaving your "political party" high and dry looking for a new group member lol.
Thats your m o right? Out for yourself. Whatever it takes? Disposable friends?
Originally posted by laokoko dude, go play Eve. Bye...
Dude go play Black Ops. Bye...
What make you think the whinner like Black Ops? he says he like sandbox game(ala virtual world) only.
and if you mean me. Don't worry about me. I don't have trouble finding game.
I was refering to you.
So there is this game. Which is 100% what seemed to match everything he described he want, and 100% opposite of things he dont' want. And he don't go play that, and keep whinning. Bye.
Your kidding right. Perhaps he doesent like space type games. Perhaps he wants a up to date mmo to play. Telling someone that theres a MMO from 14 years ago still out there. go play that, is absurd.
I accept the he don't like space type games etc...
That's the real problem with this genre right? People quit UO, SWG. Though there are various reason, but most of the drop off come during the time when the next big MMO come out. If UO or SWG dont' fail we won't have this discussion here.
So what if the next big sandbox game come out and steal all Eve's subscriber?
That's the problem right? the mmorpg market actually isn't that big. Why can't you play a 14 year old game. It keep getting patch and keep updating.
Eve a 14 year game have 500k sub, Wow a 8 year game have 9 mil sub, lineage 1 a 14 year game have 500-750k sub. What's wrong with playing the same game for a long time?
Theres nothing wrong with playing a game for a long time. Im all for that. And to say that the market isent that big is astouding. The problem with the market is that its TOO big. There are WAY to many MMOs or games useing the MMO tag to classify its self as one, and spreading people to thin.
But No there is nothing wrong with playing a 14 year old game. Just like theres nothing wrong with driving a 14 year old car. But do you want to keep driving that 14 year old car around? Wouldent you want a new one ever now and again to drive?
I consider myself an average MMO player, I like and play what I find fun, nothing else. The fact that no game released after 2005 has kept my attention for more than a few days, most not even entertaining me for a few minutes is evidence, for myself at the very least, that the genre is in a very bad way. People retort stating that "You just don't like MMOs". On the contrary, I love MMOs, but I won't play a bad game. We have had 7 years of bad games, and in my opinion, it isn't changing any time soon.
Originally posted by laokoko dude, go play Eve. Bye...
Dude go play Black Ops. Bye...
What make you think the whinner like Black Ops? he says he like sandbox game(ala virtual world) only.
and if you mean me. Don't worry about me. I don't have trouble finding game.
I was refering to you.
So there is this game. Which is 100% what seemed to match everything he described he want, and 100% opposite of things he dont' want. And he don't go play that, and keep whinning. Bye.
Your kidding right. Perhaps he doesent like space type games. Perhaps he wants a up to date mmo to play. Telling someone that theres a MMO from 14 years ago still out there. go play that, is absurd.
I accept the he don't like space type games etc...
That's the real problem with this genre right? People quit UO, SWG. Though there are various reason, but most of the drop off come during the time when the next big MMO come out. If UO or SWG dont' fail we won't have this discussion here.
So what if the next big sandbox game come out and steal all Eve's subscriber?
That's the problem right? the mmorpg market actually isn't that big. Why can't you play a 14 year old game. It keep getting patch and keep updating.
Eve a 14 year game have 500k sub, Wow a 8 year game have 9 mil sub, lineage 1 a 14 year game have 500-750k sub. What's wrong with playing the same game for a long time?
Theres nothing wrong with playing a game for a long time. Im all for that. And to say that the market isent that big is astouding. The problem with the market is that its TOO big. There are WAY to many MMOs or games useing the MMO tag to classify its self as one, and spreading people to thin.
But No there is nothing wrong with playing a 14 year old game. Just like theres nothing wrong with driving a 14 year old car. But do you want to keep driving that 14 year old car around? Wouldent you want a new one ever now and again to drive?
That's quite a bad analogy because the 14 year old cars is probably broken and unsafe to drive, but the 14 year old mmorpg is probably still the best game. People play eve, wow, and lineage1 because it keep getting patched. And those game population actually climb over time.
And I dont' understand people's fetish with terminology. Do you think any less or more people will play wow if it's not labled as mmorpg and creat a whole terminology for them?
For that case the title of this thread should be the sandbox genre is dead. Not the genre(or mmorpg genre i short) is dead.
I have nothing against you, or the sandbox genre, It's just the hate.
Originally posted by laokoko dude, go play Eve. Bye...
Dude go play Black Ops. Bye...
What make you think the whinner like Black Ops? he says he like sandbox game(ala virtual world) only.
and if you mean me. Don't worry about me. I don't have trouble finding game.
I was refering to you.
So there is this game. Which is 100% what seemed to match everything he described he want, and 100% opposite of things he dont' want. And he don't go play that, and keep whinning. Bye.
Your kidding right. Perhaps he doesent like space type games. Perhaps he wants a up to date mmo to play. Telling someone that theres a MMO from 14 years ago still out there. go play that, is absurd.
I accept the he don't like space type games etc...
That's the real problem with this genre right? People quit UO, SWG. Though there are various reason, but most of the drop off come during the time when the next big MMO come out. If UO or SWG dont' fail we won't have this discussion here.
So what if the next big sandbox game come out and steal all Eve's subscriber?
That's the problem right? the mmorpg market actually isn't that big. Why can't you play a 14 year old game. It keep getting patch and keep updating.
Eve a 14 year game have 500k sub, Wow a 8 year game have 9 mil sub, lineage 1 a 14 year game have 500-750k sub. What's wrong with playing the same game for a long time?
Theres nothing wrong with playing a game for a long time. Im all for that. And to say that the market isent that big is astouding. The problem with the market is that its TOO big. There are WAY to many MMOs or games useing the MMO tag to classify its self as one, and spreading people to thin.
But No there is nothing wrong with playing a 14 year old game. Just like theres nothing wrong with driving a 14 year old car. But do you want to keep driving that 14 year old car around? Wouldent you want a new one ever now and again to drive?
That's quite a bad analogy because the 14 year old cars is probably broken and unsafe to drive, but the 14 year old mmorpg is probably still the best game. People play eve, wow, and lineage1 because it keep getting patched. And those game population actually climb over time.
And I dont' understand people's fetish with terminology. Do you think any less or more people will play wow if it's not labled as mmorpg and creat a whole terminology for them?
For that case the title of this thread should be the sandbox genre is dead. Not the genre(or mmorpg genre i short) is dead.
I have nothing against you, or the sandbox genre, It's just the hate.
I drive a 1995 Monte Carlo. It drives just fine. It gets updates to. New radiator. New Brakes. New Struts. New Belts. New Drive Train and so on so i believe the car analogy is just fine.
It's becoming an issue when what use to be referred to as a MMO is skewed and warped.
Let's go back to the car analogy. People love cars. They use them every day. But one day people wanted a faster means of transportation. Enter the plane. Now People can use planes everyday as they like. You buy a ticket and off you go for your long distance travel.
Now someone gets it in their head that they love to drive and they love to fly. So someone combines the 2 and you get a car/plane. It has features found in both in one simple convenient single package. But what to call it?This is the problem because people still want to call it a CAR. No its something new that needs a new name.
That's where we are with MMOs. When people hear the term MMO some people think of wow because that's all they know. Some think of EQ. something of RIFT. some think of UO. Some think of Tales in the Desert.
All different games but are labeled as MMOs. There is no distinction between the differences in the TYPES of MMO. Just a vague blanket labeling a genre.
It's annoying and frustrating, but the demand is there, and will be sated eventually. My hopes rest with archeage. I just hope I don't have kids by then so they get to have all the fun.
In other news, nariusseldon's opinions make me sick in my mouth.
Right there with ya pal.
That is funny.
You guys are affected emotionally, by some random dude (me) on the Internet? Just because i don't like what you guys like, and have no problem talking about it?
I am glad you guys are not on political forums talking about stuff that actually matters. Otherwise, you may have to see a shrink.
Yet you keep posting here. Seems like someone else cares about what some random dude (me) on the internet says.
Nah .. just fun .. otherwise why bother?
And you have to parrot what i said about you and turn it around? I thought you are all for originality?
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But you cant tell them that. They have a very unique way of twisting the subject to distort the meaning of something. There so good at it im wondering if they had to take a class for it. Distorting 101.
Both of you know what he means. You dont even need to be told theres a underline subtext. You have been told what "dead" means in this thread. Dont try and belittle his sentiment.
Calling some of the latest releases MMORPGs is like calling a Toyota Yaris a truck. They have a lot of features in common, but they aren't able to be put into that category because of a missing identifying feature or two.
Why do you feel you need to defend a hyperbole and self-centered statement like that? It does not deserve a serious discussion. If you claimed that the Earth was flat, I'd show you the same kind of ridicule that I show the OP. (*) (**)
*(Granted, I couldn't come up with a similarly ridiculous hyperbole argument but you get the idea.)
**(I actually read an article written by a serious reporter from a serious magazine where he basically said he was convinced that the earth was flat and we should confirm it with an opinion poll. Yes, an opinion poll. I'm still not sure if it was a troll or that the author was really, really dumb. It wasn't even April Fool's day or anything...)
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Obviously dead to me. Its a given that I am speaking for myself.
Then the same can be said about your argument about travel being shallow as a hyperbole argument.
Where not talking about a fact here as in the world if flat or not. We're talking about game mechanics and how we see and interact with them. To you there boring to me there chances for new experiences. We're arguing likes and dislikes and what should be classified as a MMO these days. Not if the world is flat.
Stick to the topics and stop trying to spin the topic with redundant hypothetical's. Your just sounding ridicules now.
Did you change your major from Distorting to Derailment?
[mod edit] he says he like sandbox game(ala virtual world) only.
and if you mean me. Don't worry about me. I don't have trouble finding game.
I was refering to you.
I've said travel is boring overwhelming majority of the time and avoiding aggrobubbles is a minigame. I've not said they're shallow (you're confusing me with Axehilt).
The topic is "This genre is dead" which it isn't. Many have posted their replies why this is not true. I have not diverged from that. The premise is wrong. There shouldn't be a discussion.
And your ad hominems really don't give you credibility.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
So there is this game. Which is 100% what seemed to match everything he described he want, and 100% opposite of things he dont' want. [mod edit]
Because he describe MMO as massively multiplayer online, and not some lobby game. Where the game is focused on this virtual world where everyone play together. Base on his description he's probably right.
People like to play with terminology too much. Bye.
Of course. We are talking about entertainment here. What is wrong with a little variety. If dumping 200+ hours into D3 does not make me a ARPG fan ... well, so be it. I am a fan of having fun. Now i do follow entertainment news (in particular, games, action movies, and anime) but i am not going to cry in my closet if Avenger flopped and Marvel is not going to make a second one.
Moreover, i am not responsible for the success of any form of entertainment. I use entertainment when i am bored.
Now i do not consider reading novel "cheap thrill" or spending more than 100 hours on a game "cheap thrill". And what "more" is that? A second life? I already have one. I like combat games .. and there is no reason i should not stick to what i like.
You sounds like Black Ops is a bad game. I like the SP campaign. In fact, i probably like it better than quite a few MMOs like Eve.
OTOH, there are MMOs which i prefer over Black Ops.
Are you trying to change language use of the whole industry? Personally i really don't care what we call the category of games including WOW, DCUO, DDO and other similar ones. However, i will use the common usage.
If you have any luck changing the label used by all the gamestop employees, IGN, Gamespot, heck .. even the name of this site, let me know. I will surely send out a memo and call these games something else. Before that, i will still use the "MMORPG" term.
Your kidding right. Perhaps he doesent like space type games. Perhaps he wants a up to date mmo to play. Telling someone that theres a MMO from 14 years ago still out there. go play that, is absurd.
Borring, Shallow. doesent mater. Hyperbole argument goes both ways.
And many have posted their replies why it IS true. Why shouldent there be a disussion? Because you feel it doesent warrent one? If you dont wish to take part in THIS disussion, then move one to one you do want to involve yourself in.
Latin. Very good. But this is what you do to everyones posts that have a different viewpoint then your own. Thats why i pointed it. ( points to your "the world being falt" comment aswell)
I accept the he don't like space type games etc...
That's the real problem with this genre right? People quit UO, SWG. Though there are various reason, but most of the drop off come during the time when the next big MMO come out. If UO or SWG dont' fail we won't have this discussion here.
So what if the next big sandbox game come out and steal all Eve's subscriber?
That's the problem right? the mmorpg market actually isn't that big. Why can't you play a 14 year old game. It keep getting patch and keep updating.
Eve a 14 year game have 500k sub, Wow a 8 year game have 9 mil sub, lineage 1 a 14 year game have 500-750k sub. What's wrong with playing the same game for a long time?
Yet you keep posting here. Seems like someone else cares about what some random dude (me) on the internet says.
How do you know im not in political forums? Let's hope to god YOU'RE not in political forums. With your attitude towards gaming, I can only imagine what your views are on the things that matter. Health reform, Foreign polices, National debt...
You would just jump from issue to issue and take money and shinnies from each then log out. Leaving your "political party" high and dry looking for a new group member lol.
Thats your m o right? Out for yourself. Whatever it takes? Disposable friends?
Theres nothing wrong with playing a game for a long time. Im all for that. And to say that the market isent that big is astouding. The problem with the market is that its TOO big. There are WAY to many MMOs or games useing the MMO tag to classify its self as one, and spreading people to thin.
But No there is nothing wrong with playing a 14 year old game. Just like theres nothing wrong with driving a 14 year old car. But do you want to keep driving that 14 year old car around? Wouldent you want a new one ever now and again to drive?
I consider myself an average MMO player, I like and play what I find fun, nothing else. The fact that no game released after 2005 has kept my attention for more than a few days, most not even entertaining me for a few minutes is evidence, for myself at the very least, that the genre is in a very bad way. People retort stating that "You just don't like MMOs". On the contrary, I love MMOs, but I won't play a bad game. We have had 7 years of bad games, and in my opinion, it isn't changing any time soon.
So OP - I agree.
That's quite a bad analogy because the 14 year old cars is probably broken and unsafe to drive, but the 14 year old mmorpg is probably still the best game. People play eve, wow, and lineage1 because it keep getting patched. And those game population actually climb over time.
And I dont' understand people's fetish with terminology. Do you think any less or more people will play wow if it's not labled as mmorpg and creat a whole terminology for them?
For that case the title of this thread should be the sandbox genre is dead. Not the genre(or mmorpg genre i short) is dead.
I have nothing against you, or the sandbox genre, It's just the hate.
I drive a 1995 Monte Carlo. It drives just fine. It gets updates to. New radiator. New Brakes. New Struts. New Belts. New Drive Train and so on so i believe the car analogy is just fine.
It's becoming an issue when what use to be referred to as a MMO is skewed and warped.
Let's go back to the car analogy. People love cars. They use them every day. But one day people wanted a faster means of transportation. Enter the plane. Now People can use planes everyday as they like. You buy a ticket and off you go for your long distance travel.
Now someone gets it in their head that they love to drive and they love to fly. So someone combines the 2 and you get a car/plane. It has features found in both in one simple convenient single package. But what to call it?This is the problem because people still want to call it a CAR. No its something new that needs a new name.
That's where we are with MMOs. When people hear the term MMO some people think of wow because that's all they know. Some think of EQ. something of RIFT. some think of UO. Some think of Tales in the Desert.
All different games but are labeled as MMOs. There is no distinction between the differences in the TYPES of MMO. Just a vague blanket labeling a genre.
That's why we have a terminology called sandbox. You can use that too. Everyone will understand it.
If you can't find a game to play, you can't ifnd a game to play.
I can't find a game to play. And it's not about themepark vs sandbox. I basically sick of every mmorpg out there weather it's sandbox or themebox.
Nah .. just fun .. otherwise why bother?
And you have to parrot what i said about you and turn it around? I thought you are all for originality?