nothing against Inf666 but just shows yet another thread of how much misinformation is thrown around about gw2 and how so many write it off as just another this or that when most of the time they are completely wrong.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
People in favor of GW2's combat: Tera classes are too restrictive. Movement is awkwardly rooted, aiming is a decent idea. Overall doesn't work together.
People in favor of Tera's combat: GW2's combat system is just bad. Tera > GW2.
I'll go with the more thought out one...
Depth is far more important than the actual clicking.
I'd happily go with 1111111111,222,1111,1111,222,111 if there's depth in it.
It's actually funny you say that since there are ALOT people complaining about how GW2's combat system is too hard, as in being too complicated for them play efficiently. Some people don't understand the importance of placement of skills and movement of characters, these are probably the one's complaining about it. As for Tera, standing in place and aiming isn't adding any more depth than the classic games. I think people are figuring that out slowly, hence the struggles in it's homeland.
i agree with OP, Tera with more content lol...people complain about being rooted when you use skills prob cause they just suck and cant aim "ahead of time" it takes much more skill and intuition, and face the fact's...GW2 combat system is unique but mediocre at best all you have to do is sidestep while you attack and win....they say its hard but thats only if you're bad enough to get hit lawlz...
i agree with OP, Tera with more content lol...people complain about being rooted when you use skills prob cause they just suck and cant aim "ahead of time" it takes much more skill and intuition, and face the fact's...GW2 combat system is unique but mediocre at best all you have to do is sidestep while you attack and win....they say its hard but thats only if you're bad enough to get hit lawlz...
I'm Santa Claus and that is a fact we all must face.
Something that's really weird is I never notice pause between attacks on , I don't know console games but noticed it in Tera I don't know why either.
Combat wise as an Opinion I think GW 2 is better but Tera doesn't suck at all.
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
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Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
i agree with OP, Tera with more content lol...people complain about being rooted when you use skills prob cause they just suck and cant aim "ahead of time" it takes much more skill and intuition, and face the fact's...GW2 combat system is unique but mediocre at best all you have to do is sidestep while you attack and win....they say its hard but thats only if you're bad enough to get hit lawlz...
I'm Santa Claus and that is a fact we all must face.
Something that's really weird is I never notice pause between attacks on , I don't know console games but noticed it in Tera I don't know why either.
Combat wise as an Opinion I think GW 2 is better but Tera doesn't suck at all.
And thats your opinion, you're entitled to it, im going by what i see and seriously all i had to do for pve was sidestep while casting on my necro, it was like they just threw in a sidestep minigame to keep the combat a bit more interesting, i didnt get to try much pvp but got to try WvWvW i cant honestly say anything because one BWE and 2 hours of pvp wasnt enough time for me to find the right skill set for pvp being they just throw you in at lvl 80 with ALL SKILLS...people who played past BWE's had enough time to figure out the best skill sets so i got destroyed...so im clueless as what to say till i get more experience with the game....im buying it but the game is way over rated, which doesnt mean it's bad but....IMO tera combat was more interactive even if your gear carries you it gets much more intense, the only problem is the lack of content.
i agree with OP, Tera with more content lol...people complain about being rooted when you use skills prob cause they just suck and cant aim "ahead of time" it takes much more skill and intuition, and face the fact's...GW2 combat system is unique but mediocre at best all you have to do is sidestep while you attack and win....they say its hard but thats only if you're bad enough to get hit lawlz...
I'm Santa Claus and that is a fact we all must face.
Something that's really weird is I never notice pause between attacks on , I don't know console games but noticed it in Tera I don't know why either.
Combat wise as an Opinion I think GW 2 is better but Tera doesn't suck at all.
And thats your opinion, you're entitled to it, im going by what i see and seriously all i had to do for pve was sidestep while casting on my necro, it was like they just threw in a sidestep minigame to keep the combat a bit more interesting, i didnt get to try much pvp but got to try WvWvW i cant honestly say anything because one BWE and 2 hours of pvp wasnt enough time for me to find the right skill set for pvp being they just throw you in at lvl 80 with ALL SKILLS...people who played past BWE's had enough time to figure out the best skill sets so i got destroyed...so im clueless as what to say till i get more experience with the game....im buying it but the game is way over rated, which doesnt mean it's bad but....IMO tera combat was more interactive even if your gear carries you it gets much more intense, the only problem is the lack of content.
I hope I'm gonna meet a lot of people like you in PvP, so I can tear you appart while you just "sidestep"
And yeah, unlike Tera (and WoW), you don't have a gear advantage to save you here. If you're bad, you die.
Respect, walk, what did you say? Respect, walk Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me? - PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I've only played Tera for a total of about 7 hours, so my assessment of the game isn't exactly fully fleshed out. I liked the combat, but GW2 has my personal favorite combat of any MMO I've played to date. As far as full twitch combat goes, I think even prefer something like Dragon Nest to Tera.
Tera is garbage. The story is right out of pluto. The quests are generic and the only thing it thinks it offers that is unique is a dodge ability...which is not new. Basically the game from level 1 to endgame is junk and all you get at endgame is pvp with dodge.
i agree with OP, Tera with more content lol...people complain about being rooted when you use skills prob cause they just suck and cant aim "ahead of time" it takes much more skill and intuition, and face the fact's...GW2 combat system is unique but mediocre at best all you have to do is sidestep while you attack and win....they say its hard but thats only if you're bad enough to get hit lawlz...
I'm Santa Claus and that is a fact we all must face.
Something that's really weird is I never notice pause between attacks on , I don't know console games but noticed it in Tera I don't know why either.
Combat wise as an Opinion I think GW 2 is better but Tera doesn't suck at all.
And thats your opinion, you're entitled to it, im going by what i see and seriously all i had to do for pve was sidestep while casting on my necro, it was like they just threw in a sidestep minigame to keep the combat a bit more interesting, i didnt get to try much pvp but got to try WvWvW i cant honestly say anything because one BWE and 2 hours of pvp wasnt enough time for me to find the right skill set for pvp being they just throw you in at lvl 80 with ALL SKILLS...people who played past BWE's had enough time to figure out the best skill sets so i got destroyed...so im clueless as what to say till i get more experience with the game....im buying it but the game is way over rated, which doesnt mean it's bad but....IMO tera combat was more interactive even if your gear carries you it gets much more intense, the only problem is the lack of content.
I hope I'm gonna meet a lot of people like you in PvP, so I can tear you appart while you just "sidestep"
And yeah, unlike Tera (and WoW), you don't have a gear advantage to save you here. If you're bad, you die.
evenr time see all i did was sidestep or just smach the keys 12345 for the win it make my eye burn. you ppl are so full of it and i do not think you ever left the start zones or it was just 1v1 you try the crap on 3 are more mobs or mobs lvl 25+ and as The_Korrigan pointed out the mobs will tear you appart.
i agree with OP, Tera with more content lol...people complain about being rooted when you use skills prob cause they just suck and cant aim "ahead of time" it takes much more skill and intuition, and face the fact's...GW2 combat system is unique but mediocre at best all you have to do is sidestep while you attack and win....they say its hard but thats only if you're bad enough to get hit lawlz...
I'm Santa Claus and that is a fact we all must face.
Something that's really weird is I never notice pause between attacks on , I don't know console games but noticed it in Tera I don't know why either.
Combat wise as an Opinion I think GW 2 is better but Tera doesn't suck at all.
And thats your opinion, you're entitled to it, im going by what i see and seriously all i had to do for pve was sidestep while casting on my necro, it was like they just threw in a sidestep minigame to keep the combat a bit more interesting, i didnt get to try much pvp but got to try WvWvW i cant honestly say anything because one BWE and 2 hours of pvp wasnt enough time for me to find the right skill set for pvp being they just throw you in at lvl 80 with ALL SKILLS...people who played past BWE's had enough time to figure out the best skill sets so i got destroyed...so im clueless as what to say till i get more experience with the game....im buying it but the game is way over rated, which doesnt mean it's bad but....IMO tera combat was more interactive even if your gear carries you it gets much more intense, the only problem is the lack of content.
Brah I'm being really generous, that's all I'm going to let you know. I'm gonna let this slide because we can all keep shouting out opinions, I'm just satisfied we went from "face the facts" to "IMO" that's all I was getting at and wanted to see change lol.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
tera's combat was painfully boring after about 5 minutes. im not saying gw2 is the model all games should build combat off of, but its better than tera.
I do think the targeting style combat system has potential, but the devs need to do a better job of tailoring it to mouse and keyboard. Tera combat is just slow and cumbersome.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
On topic though, no, I do not think GW2 needs TERA's combat system. While TERA's system is quite good, the game is built around rooting, which necessitates borderline braindead enemy AI.
Don't believe me? Aggro 5 mobs in TERA and then try to aggro 5 mobs in GW2. Then tell me which is more challenging.
In addition, please tell me how balanced the classes are in TERA, atm. The combat and class system causes half the balancing problems. Compare slayer utlity to archers...compare priest utility to mystic.
TERA's combat is an epic foundation from NCSoft that was cracked by BlueHole. I really hope EME can save it, but idk if battlegrounds are going to be enough.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
Also they should have sticked with classes and not let ever class/race go dps/heal/support/tank
Now lets combine the tera online combat system with gw2.
Gw2 WvWvW
Tera online combat system + class defined(more teamplay)
I think we have a winner here..
I have to agree. GW2 was loads of fun but the combat controls are not much to write home about. Tab -> AutoAim -> Autoattacking :meh: The FPS like controls of Tera are pretty good, a nice change after the dozens of tradtional combat MMOs that launch over the last few years.
Man the next person that says anything along the lines of "GW2 is aim > auto-attack to win" or "All you do is side step" should get banned for being the premise to idiocracy (great movie). If it was that easy, would people really complain about it? Or do these people think that they're super-intelligent because they figured out how to tab > auto-attack and/or side step? That might have worked in the level 1-4 zone, won't work in the level 10+ zones and you'll get bent over real quick in level 20+ zones.
tera lasted all of 30mins maybe on my HD and was gone. permanently. never comin' back.
"There are at least two kinds of games. One could be called finite, the other infinite. A finite game is played for the purpose of winning, an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play." Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
How people can say that Terras combat is more active and better than the GW2 combat is really beyond me.
When you play a warrior in Terra you just hack through things without targeting ever needed, when you play a Mystic all you do is turn towards the enemy ONCE, then keep using like skill 1, skill 2, dodge skill (mystic jumps back), skill 1, skill 2, mob dead, while the mob runs towards you and stays that way there till you killed them.
Also the skills always root you so you can't move at all while using a skill which isn't a active combat in my opinion.
Active combat is like it was made in GW2, you can:
- move, hit, dodge (up to 2 times before recharge)
- use the environment around you to avoid damage (going behind a huge rock or a tree so you won't get caught from projectile)
- you can switch weapons on the fly
In GW2 you can also have:
- tons of variety to go with your class and its skills
- more strategy involved in a fight (enemy dependant)
- underwater battles with additional skills for more diversity
Don't wanna even talk about PvP.
The only thing I liked in Terra were the graphics partially, everything else was the same old approach I have seen in mmos for the last 12 years.
Also they should have sticked with classes and not let ever class/race go dps/heal/support/tank
Now lets combine the tera online combat system with gw2.
Gw2 WvWvW
Tera online combat system + class defined(more teamplay)
I think we have a winner here..
I have to agree. GW2 was loads of fun but the combat controls are not much to write home about. Tab -> AutoAim -> Autoattacking :meh: The FPS like controls of Tera are pretty good, a nice change after the dozens of tradtional combat MMOs that launch over the last few years.
You don't have to tab in GW2. You can however if you want to.
With other words you can autolock a enemy by aiming OR tab if you wanna go that way.
I'm mostly only turning towards the enemy I wanna aim and use my skills.
Used tab maybe like 3 times max and that was 2 times in WvsWvsW and 1 time in a dynamic event in PvE.
Also they should have sticked with classes and not let ever class/race go dps/heal/support/tank
Now lets combine the tera online combat system with gw2.
Gw2 WvWvW
Tera online combat system + class defined(more teamplay)
I think we have a winner here..
GW2 combat is vastly superior. Tera hung their entire game on "Action Combat", only to be trumped by a game that also trumps them on every other aspect of MMORPG design. Tera wins on skimpy outfits. That's it.
The story is great, the quests are fun and give diversity but it unfortunately goes the linear way (mainly because of the story) and turns out partially towards the "go kill 10 ghosts", "go kill 20 ghosts" system at times.
Still love its graphics and combat system.
Even if the combat in the videos is looking more active than it actually is cause most skills root you in this aswell.
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nothing against Inf666 but just shows yet another thread of how much misinformation is thrown around about gw2 and how so many write it off as just another this or that when most of the time they are completely wrong.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
It's actually funny you say that since there are ALOT people complaining about how GW2's combat system is too hard, as in being too complicated for them play efficiently. Some people don't understand the importance of placement of skills and movement of characters, these are probably the one's complaining about it. As for Tera, standing in place and aiming isn't adding any more depth than the classic games. I think people are figuring that out slowly, hence the struggles in it's homeland.
i agree with OP, Tera with more content lol...people complain about being rooted when you use skills prob cause they just suck and cant aim "ahead of time" it takes much more skill and intuition, and face the fact's...GW2 combat system is unique but mediocre at best all you have to do is sidestep while you attack and win....they say its hard but thats only if you're bad enough to get hit lawlz...
I'm Santa Claus and that is a fact we all must face.
Something that's really weird is I never notice pause between attacks on , I don't know console games but noticed it in Tera I don't know why either.
Combat wise as an Opinion I think GW 2 is better but Tera doesn't suck at all.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
And thats your opinion, you're entitled to it, im going by what i see and seriously all i had to do for pve was sidestep while casting on my necro, it was like they just threw in a sidestep minigame to keep the combat a bit more interesting, i didnt get to try much pvp but got to try WvWvW i cant honestly say anything because one BWE and 2 hours of pvp wasnt enough time for me to find the right skill set for pvp being they just throw you in at lvl 80 with ALL SKILLS...people who played past BWE's had enough time to figure out the best skill sets so i got destroyed...so im clueless as what to say till i get more experience with the game....im buying it but the game is way over rated, which doesnt mean it's bad but....IMO tera combat was more interactive even if your gear carries you it gets much more intense, the only problem is the lack of content.
I hope I'm gonna meet a lot of people like you in PvP, so I can tear you appart while you just "sidestep"
And yeah, unlike Tera (and WoW), you don't have a gear advantage to save you here. If you're bad, you die.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
I've only played Tera for a total of about 7 hours, so my assessment of the game isn't exactly fully fleshed out. I liked the combat, but GW2 has my personal favorite combat of any MMO I've played to date. As far as full twitch combat goes, I think even prefer something like Dragon Nest to Tera.
Tera is garbage. The story is right out of pluto. The quests are generic and the only thing it thinks it offers that is unique is a dodge ability...which is not new. Basically the game from level 1 to endgame is junk and all you get at endgame is pvp with dodge.
What a great game.
agreed!
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GW2 and Vanguard/EQ2.
evenr time see all i did was sidestep or just smach the keys 12345 for the win it make my eye burn. you ppl are so full of it and i do not think you ever left the start zones or it was just 1v1 you try the crap on 3 are more mobs or mobs lvl 25+ and as The_Korrigan pointed out the mobs will tear you appart.
Brah I'm being really generous, that's all I'm going to let you know. I'm gonna let this slide because we can all keep shouting out opinions, I'm just satisfied we went from "face the facts" to "IMO" that's all I was getting at and wanted to see change lol.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
All to there own i know alot dont like the combat in TSW but its not bad and with GW2 on the side its a great combo of games.
I think gw2 combat is just fine and need's not a thing from tera. Infact I would say gw2 is just fine and need's not a thing from tera.
i think i just puked in my own mouth
tera's combat was painfully boring after about 5 minutes. im not saying gw2 is the model all games should build combat off of, but its better than tera.
I do think the targeting style combat system has potential, but the devs need to do a better job of tailoring it to mouse and keyboard. Tera combat is just slow and cumbersome.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
All guys you must take a look on this mmo !! the best is comming !
Blade and Soul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFZFYH1bdlk
It will amazed you
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This is such a successful troll, lol.
On topic though, no, I do not think GW2 needs TERA's combat system. While TERA's system is quite good, the game is built around rooting, which necessitates borderline braindead enemy AI.
Don't believe me? Aggro 5 mobs in TERA and then try to aggro 5 mobs in GW2. Then tell me which is more challenging.
In addition, please tell me how balanced the classes are in TERA, atm. The combat and class system causes half the balancing problems. Compare slayer utlity to archers...compare priest utility to mystic.
TERA's combat is an epic foundation from NCSoft that was cracked by BlueHole. I really hope EME can save it, but idk if battlegrounds are going to be enough.
"As you read these words, a release is seven days or less away or has just happened within the last seven days those are now the only two states youll find the world of Tyria."...Guild Wars 2
I have to agree. GW2 was loads of fun but the combat controls are not much to write home about. Tab -> AutoAim -> Autoattacking :meh: The FPS like controls of Tera are pretty good, a nice change after the dozens of tradtional combat MMOs that launch over the last few years.
Man the next person that says anything along the lines of "GW2 is aim > auto-attack to win" or "All you do is side step" should get banned for being the premise to idiocracy (great movie). If it was that easy, would people really complain about it? Or do these people think that they're super-intelligent because they figured out how to tab > auto-attack and/or side step? That might have worked in the level 1-4 zone, won't work in the level 10+ zones and you'll get bent over real quick in level 20+ zones.
deeergeezusno.
tera lasted all of 30mins maybe on my HD and was gone. permanently. never comin' back.
"There are at least two kinds of games.
One could be called finite, the other infinite.
A finite game is played for the purpose of winning,
an infinite game for the purpose of continuing play."
Finite and Infinite Games, James Carse
Roll the Dice
How people can say that Terras combat is more active and better than the GW2 combat is really beyond me.
When you play a warrior in Terra you just hack through things without targeting ever needed, when you play a Mystic all you do is turn towards the enemy ONCE, then keep using like skill 1, skill 2, dodge skill (mystic jumps back), skill 1, skill 2, mob dead, while the mob runs towards you and stays that way there till you killed them.
Also the skills always root you so you can't move at all while using a skill which isn't a active combat in my opinion.
Active combat is like it was made in GW2, you can:
- move, hit, dodge (up to 2 times before recharge)
- use the environment around you to avoid damage (going behind a huge rock or a tree so you won't get caught from projectile)
- you can switch weapons on the fly
In GW2 you can also have:
- tons of variety to go with your class and its skills
- more strategy involved in a fight (enemy dependant)
- underwater battles with additional skills for more diversity
Don't wanna even talk about PvP.
The only thing I liked in Terra were the graphics partially, everything else was the same old approach I have seen in mmos for the last 12 years.
You don't have to tab in GW2. You can however if you want to.
With other words you can autolock a enemy by aiming OR tab if you wanna go that way.
I'm mostly only turning towards the enemy I wanna aim and use my skills.
Used tab maybe like 3 times max and that was 2 times in WvsWvsW and 1 time in a dynamic event in PvE.
GW2 combat is vastly superior. Tera hung their entire game on "Action Combat", only to be trumped by a game that also trumps them on every other aspect of MMORPG design. Tera wins on skimpy outfits. That's it.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
Already know it and already played it. ^_^
The story is great, the quests are fun and give diversity but it unfortunately goes the linear way (mainly because of the story) and turns out partially towards the "go kill 10 ghosts", "go kill 20 ghosts" system at times.
Still love its graphics and combat system.
Even if the combat in the videos is looking more active than it actually is cause most skills root you in this aswell.
A good mmo but I gave it up after one cb already.