Poor company, poor dev, poor update and poor suport.
500k at launch = EPIC FAIL and one month later, cut this number by an half...pathetic..always the same sh***t
Go read the TSW forums now, trolling is started... "this game sux'' - ''Grind fest !!! '' - '' WoW is better you n00b ! '' - ''your mom! '' - 15$ by month for this sh**t !!! WTF '' etc...
Poor company, poor dev, poor update and poor suport.
500k at launch = EPIC FAIL and one month later, cut this number by an half...pathetic..always the same sh***t
Go read the TSW forums now, trolling is started... "this game sux'' - ''Grind fest !!! '' - '' WoW is better you n00b ! '' - ''your mom! '' - 15$ by month for this sh**t !!! WTF '' etc...
Not even close buddy. Take a look. People are trying to figure out how to best spread the word.
I don´t agree with XTREM of course, but imagining that TSW will get attention just because some players are planning to spread the word isn´t the right idea either. It is already explained here, TSW isn´t getting enough attention becasue of the other titles on the market and sicne these titles are actually Guild Wars 2 and WoW, there´ no chance for TSW to compete in getting the attention.
TSW´s best chance was to blow the industry before Guild Wars 2 release and it couldn´t. Now if TSW want to compete with these two titles, it must be better in quality than Guild Wars 2, which isn´t the case despite the personal opinions. Talking about '' raiting '' for different aspects of every game and cathing the red flag, Guild Wars 2 is far the dominator, not only vs TSW but vs any other MMO in the industry. Now the other chance is to compete with WoW, an IP competition, which is impossible, since WoW´s IP is so huge.
I have already mentioned it, if TSW want to get the attention, it must be considered as the best title of the year and I can´t really see that happening.
I actually have a theory that most probably won't subscribe to.
I believe The Secret World didn't sell as well as some anticipated due to it having a sub and a cash shop both at launch.
A lot of players don't like the "double dipping" type of payment model. The feeling is that thier sub should pay for all content and being nickled and dimed in the cash shop on top of a sub comes off as greedy.
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I find it quite funny that eveyone is concerned (including game companies) of getting a HUGE initial number of sales so that when the subs start to fall in the normal pattern they are left with enough to be self-sustaining. Noone wants to start small and actually build their base over time.
Imagine that, working hard and delivering and growing a quality product that brings in more and more customers....unheard of!
when funcom releases a quality product that isnt a beta for the first couple of months before release you got my vote ill support it. Until then ill stick to companies that seem to actually do the one thing funcom sees as not being important- polish
I find this thread hillarious. People speculating about why one MMO sells and another doesn't based solely on popularity of the movies and box office sales (and btw, Aeowyn is correct: Star War's cultural penetration is way beyond LOTR's... maybe because SW has always been a heavily promoted movie franchise and LOTR for many decades was just three wordy, pedantic books?)
Meanwhile, the one MMO that has been top of the charts by a country mile for nearly a decade didn't come form either a movie or a book...just from a series of popular stand-alone PC games from an era when games were not even mainstream.
TSW just didn't advertise and promote itself very well...full stop. They relied on obscure and difficult internet puzzle games for hype generation, hoping, I suppose, that an effective viral campaign would ensue...it didn't. They attracted a small, hard-core following of dedicated puzzle-solving fans but it didn't grow much beyond that. The secrecy was supposed to be part of the appeal but it just didn't reach much of an audience. When it was released and I started playing I was actually amazed how few of my RL MMO-playing friends had even heard about it. Add to that a mid-summer release date competing with the beach, BBQs and even the bloody Olympics...
All they could do is wait for reviews and metascore to generate buzz...7.2 just didn't do the trick. It doesn't mean it's game over, just that it will take some time and some positive "second look" reviews before it has a chance to grow.
It is a very good game but it is also, at the moment, infinitely less well known than SWTOR, LOTRO, World of Pandas, etc.
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TSW was hurt by so called gaming journalists who reviewed the beta instead of what released. Yes, the game is still a niche game but a lot of the complaints were fixed before launched but those same complaints were included in reviews.
I think if we get rid of gaming journalists who are seemingly paid to endorse shitty games and pan everything else than the MMO landscape might actually change.
This is not very informed. The game that was released is still in Beta form with most of the same bugs. Also I do not know of a single credible Game Journalist who reveiwed the Beta and not the release product.
They guy actually mentions beta in his review. I could understand if this was a beta preview - but it's not. It's clearly titled The Secret World Review.
also you knew TSW was more of a niche game.. I will say it is a BETTER game than swtor but not even close to the type of game that will grab mass appeal
Yeah SWTOR's limited success was purely because of the IP.....Both games really should have been made single player games instead of MMOs.
IMO TSW is a better, ie. more enjoyable for me, game than SWTOR.
That being said EA advertised AN ASSTON more for SWTOR and that was advertising cenetered around cinematic(not gameplay) for a well known and loved IP. This might not be a good thing. As SWTOR advert costs are part of their current problems. They have to make up more than just large dev costs.
Secondly both games are quest based and alot of people are just getting very rapidly tired of that.
TSW was hurt by so called gaming journalists who reviewed the beta instead of what released. Yes, the game is still a niche game but a lot of the complaints were fixed before launched but those same complaints were included in reviews.
I think if we get rid of gaming journalists who are seemingly paid to endorse shitty games and pan everything else than the MMO landscape might actually change.
This is not very informed. The game that was released is still in Beta form with most of the same bugs. Also I do not know of a single credible Game Journalist who reveiwed the Beta and not the release product.
They guy actually mentions beta in his review. I could understand if this was a beta preview - but it's not. It's clearly titled The Secret World Review.
Go get informed buddy.
So you found one on G4 which to my knowledge no one takes seriously anyways.
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Originally posted by DSWBeef YOu also gotta consider that TSW lived up to its name and was a secret up until like a week for release.
lol What? They had facebook and beta events long before the game came out. It was all over the gaming communities websites.
I bought WoW simply because i was a fan of Blizzard and i was pretty sure it would be a good game and it was.
Having an existing fan base is definitely a good start however you always have to start somewhere. I dont know what Biowares first ever game was but i highly doubt it had a fan base before it.
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I'll be perfectly frank with my opinion. I took a gamble buying TSW looking for something else to pass the time until GW2, I just couldn't get into TSW. It actually bored me, sad to say, perhaps I have a short attention span or something, but it just wasn't.. well fun? I don't really understand all the praise this game is getting, its quite mediocre to be honest. SWTOR held my attention longer than this game, and even that game started to bore me after 2 alts. it's not really surprising to me that TSW sold way less considering it hasn't had a marketing campaign like SWTOR, that being said, I'd rather play SWTOR than TSW any day of the week (but don't make me because I've grown tired of that as well), perhaps... perhaps the common MMO player does not share the same sentiments as mmorpg.com believing this game is as great as everyone thinks. Here's hoping GW2 is as good as the hype around it.
TSW was hurt by so called gaming journalists who reviewed the beta instead of what released. Yes, the game is still a niche game but a lot of the complaints were fixed before launched but those same complaints were included in reviews.
I think if we get rid of gaming journalists who are seemingly paid to endorse shitty games and pan everything else than the MMO landscape might actually change.
This is not very informed. The game that was released is still in Beta form with most of the same bugs. Also I do not know of a single credible Game Journalist who reveiwed the Beta and not the release product.
They guy actually mentions beta in his review. I could understand if this was a beta preview - but it's not. It's clearly titled The Secret World Review.
Go get informed buddy.
So you found one on G4 which to my knowledge no one takes seriously anyways.
Oh that proof doesn't count beause it proves me wrong!
TSW was hurt by so called gaming journalists who reviewed the beta instead of what released. Yes, the game is still a niche game but a lot of the complaints were fixed before launched but those same complaints were included in reviews.
I think if we get rid of gaming journalists who are seemingly paid to endorse shitty games and pan everything else than the MMO landscape might actually change.
This is not very informed. The game that was released is still in Beta form with most of the same bugs. Also I do not know of a single credible Game Journalist who reveiwed the Beta and not the release product.
They guy actually mentions beta in his review. I could understand if this was a beta preview - but it's not. It's clearly titled The Secret World Review.
Go get informed buddy.
So you found one on G4 which to my knowledge no one takes seriously anyways.
Oh that proof doesn't count beause it proves me wrong!
Haha, whatever buddy.
Actually he is correct. Quoting G4 for games is like quoting wikipedia...for anything.
TSW was hurt by so called gaming journalists who reviewed the beta instead of what released. Yes, the game is still a niche game but a lot of the complaints were fixed before launched but those same complaints were included in reviews.
I think if we get rid of gaming journalists who are seemingly paid to endorse shitty games and pan everything else than the MMO landscape might actually change.
This is not very informed. The game that was released is still in Beta form with most of the same bugs. Also I do not know of a single credible Game Journalist who reveiwed the Beta and not the release product.
They guy actually mentions beta in his review. I could understand if this was a beta preview - but it's not. It's clearly titled The Secret World Review.
Go get informed buddy.
So you found one on G4 which to my knowledge no one takes seriously anyways.
Oh that proof doesn't count beause it proves me wrong!
Haha, whatever buddy.
Actually he is correct. Quoting G4 for games is like quoting wikipedia...for anything.
The fact is what that reveiwer did would get them fired at either Gamespot or even Joystiq. It is rather unheard for a journalist to reveiw an unfinished product. That being said the launch product was virtually no different from the last month of Beta.
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your dragonlance books show only a FRACTION of what my link of star wars has but that's not the point at all.. star wars IP has its hands in every media outlet out there around the world.. its got its own disneyland ride and now live show there for peat sake... think you are the one reaching now if you can't see how popular star wars IP is.
Actually no it doesnt, there have only been a few more Star Wars novels and you missed the freaking point on purpose...Dragonlance is ONE SINGLE Dungeons and Dragons setting...ONE...and it has almost as many books as Star Wars and YES, you did provide that link as a proof of how much Media Star Wars is in...which you are attempting to use AGAIN in this response.
So, it isnt the point, yet for some reason you make the same point again by mentioning more media outlets...
None of which points to there being MORE Star Wars fans than LoTR fans! The only metric is how many went to see the films and the difference is NOT great. Do you even know that the 3 LoTR novels have sold almost as many copies as 100 of the best selling Star Wars novels? And how many people that bought those one of those star wars novels bought others in the genre?
You wont answer, because it goes against your train of thought that Star Wars is this magical juggernaught with billions of fans, instead of just a hardcore few million...and seeing as how the LOTR Bluray and DvDs have sold more copies than any 5 Star Wars films...there is enough proof you are wrong....doesnt matter if there is Star Wars toilet paper...it doesnt make it more popular if it doesnt sell well.
I know, come back with but Star Wars had a Christmas special, its PROOF! Cause we all know how popular THAT was
your dragonlance books show only a FRACTION of what my link of star wars has but that's not the point at all.. star wars IP has its hands in every media outlet out there around the world.. its got its own disneyland ride and now live show there for peat sake... think you are the one reaching now if you can't see how popular star wars IP is.
Actually no it doesnt, there have only been a few more Star Wars novels and you missed the freaking point on purpose...Dragonlance is ONE SINGLE Dungeons and Dragons setting...ONE...and it has almost as many books as Star Wars and YES, you did provide that link as a proof of how much Media Star Wars is in...which you are attempting to use AGAIN in this response.
So, it isnt the point, yet for some reason you make the same point again by mentioning more media outlets...
None of which points to there being MORE Star Wars fans than LoTR fans! The only metric is how many went to see the films and the difference is NOT great. Do you even know that the 3 LoTR novels have sold almost as many copies as 100 of the best selling Star Wars novels? And how many people that bought those one of those star wars novels bought others in the genre?
You wont answer, because it goes against your train of thought that Star Wars is this magical juggernaught with billions of fans, instead of just a hardcore few million...and seeing as how the LOTR Bluray and DvDs have sold more copies than any 5 Star Wars films...there is enough proof you are wrong....doesnt matter if there is Star Wars toilet paper...it doesnt make it more popular if it doesnt sell well.
I know, come back with but Star Wars had a Christmas special, its PROOF! Cause we all know how popular THAT was.
star wars is a much bigger franchise than D&D as a whole if you consider how many people recognize it and pay for its products.. if you think otherwise you are delusional
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star wars is a much bigger franchise than D&D as a whole if you consider how many people recognize it and pay for its products.. if you think otherwise you are delusional
Star Wars the Clone Wars averages 2.3 million viewers...about 1/10th your average reality TV show. Even the Kardasians get more people watching and top 4 million.
Who is delusional about the popularity of the IP again? The KARDASIANS...seriously. LoTR the comedy could get higher ratings.
Originally posted by colddog04 Yeah, that's getting crazy. The Star Wars IP blows DnD out of the water. It might be the bggest IP of all time.
pretty much is.. not sure how anyone can even concievably think D&D is even close to as big of IP as star wars
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star wars is a much bigger franchise than D&D as a whole if you consider how many people recognize it and pay for its products.. if you think otherwise you are delusional
Star Wars the Clone Wars averages 2.3 million viewers...about 1/10th your average reality TV show. Even the Kardasians get more people watching and top 4 million.
Who is delusional about the popularity of the IP again? The KARDASIANS...seriously. LoTR the comedy could get higher ratings.
LOL hands down one of the funniest posts I have seen on this website.. ever
but thanks for proving my point even more when a cartoon aimed at kids and young adults gets that many viewers.
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Poor company, poor dev, poor update and poor suport.
500k at launch = EPIC FAIL and one month later, cut this number by an half...pathetic..always the same sh***t
Go read the TSW forums now, trolling is started... "this game sux'' - ''Grind fest !!! '' - '' WoW is better you n00b ! '' - ''your mom! '' - 15$ by month for this sh**t !!! WTF '' etc...
Free to play is coming...SOON
FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL FAIL
The Secret World is the best MMO released this year..and It will be for a long time..
It will grow ..in time..When FUNCOM's poor reputation finally but slowly washes away..
My reflections..With the TSW
They have ultra fast support in TSW..
They are a developer that dares to take risks, seen in all their games, but with TSW it's very much notable
They are a company that have eyes for detail , and creates great Immersion, with both sound and graphics..
Sometimes, they promise to much ..and just like any other developer , they are forced by suits to release their products early
Trolls like you however , never seems to go away..even if they do not play or even would consider playing this game..They see it as their holy crusade to continue to bash on a company based on something that upset them 4-5 years ago..
I played it for a couple of days and I felt I had my time wasted.
It won't even last a week for me -- this game is a HUGE disappointment.
Originally posted by colddog04 Yeah, that's getting crazy. The Star Wars IP blows DnD out of the water. It might be the bggest IP of all time.
pretty much is.. not sure how anyone can even concievably think D&D is even close to as big of IP as star wars
Never said it was. I was using your point against you. You gave a link listing the "amount" of media as in quantity matters.
It doesnt matter if 10,000 Star Wars novels are written if only a few of them sell well. And if 7 Harry Potter books sell more than 10,000 Star Wars novels...Potter is a bigger IP because it has MORE PEOPLE buying into it.
Potter has a small amount of books, a small amount of movies, and next to NO other media...other than its OWN theme park, instead of a ride in someones.
The post was to debunk the moronic idea you put forth...and you just unknowingly agreed with it.
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Not even close buddy. Take a look. People are trying to figure out how to best spread the word.
I don´t agree with XTREM of course, but imagining that TSW will get attention just because some players are planning to spread the word isn´t the right idea either. It is already explained here, TSW isn´t getting enough attention becasue of the other titles on the market and sicne these titles are actually Guild Wars 2 and WoW, there´ no chance for TSW to compete in getting the attention.
TSW´s best chance was to blow the industry before Guild Wars 2 release and it couldn´t. Now if TSW want to compete with these two titles, it must be better in quality than Guild Wars 2, which isn´t the case despite the personal opinions. Talking about '' raiting '' for different aspects of every game and cathing the red flag, Guild Wars 2 is far the dominator, not only vs TSW but vs any other MMO in the industry. Now the other chance is to compete with WoW, an IP competition, which is impossible, since WoW´s IP is so huge.
I have already mentioned it, if TSW want to get the attention, it must be considered as the best title of the year and I can´t really see that happening.
I actually have a theory that most probably won't subscribe to.
I believe The Secret World didn't sell as well as some anticipated due to it having a sub and a cash shop both at launch.
A lot of players don't like the "double dipping" type of payment model. The feeling is that thier sub should pay for all content and being nickled and dimed in the cash shop on top of a sub comes off as greedy.
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I find this thread hillarious. People speculating about why one MMO sells and another doesn't based solely on popularity of the movies and box office sales (and btw, Aeowyn is correct: Star War's cultural penetration is way beyond LOTR's... maybe because SW has always been a heavily promoted movie franchise and LOTR for many decades was just three wordy, pedantic books?)
Meanwhile, the one MMO that has been top of the charts by a country mile for nearly a decade didn't come form either a movie or a book...just from a series of popular stand-alone PC games from an era when games were not even mainstream.
TSW just didn't advertise and promote itself very well...full stop. They relied on obscure and difficult internet puzzle games for hype generation, hoping, I suppose, that an effective viral campaign would ensue...it didn't. They attracted a small, hard-core following of dedicated puzzle-solving fans but it didn't grow much beyond that. The secrecy was supposed to be part of the appeal but it just didn't reach much of an audience. When it was released and I started playing I was actually amazed how few of my RL MMO-playing friends had even heard about it. Add to that a mid-summer release date competing with the beach, BBQs and even the bloody Olympics...
All they could do is wait for reviews and metascore to generate buzz...7.2 just didn't do the trick. It doesn't mean it's game over, just that it will take some time and some positive "second look" reviews before it has a chance to grow.
It is a very good game but it is also, at the moment, infinitely less well known than SWTOR, LOTRO, World of Pandas, etc.
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Not informed?
http://www.g4tv.com/games/pc/46075/the-secret-world/review/
They guy actually mentions beta in his review. I could understand if this was a beta preview - but it's not. It's clearly titled The Secret World Review.
Go get informed buddy.
Yeah SWTOR's limited success was purely because of the IP.....Both games really should have been made single player games instead of MMOs.
IMO TSW is a better, ie. more enjoyable for me, game than SWTOR.
That being said EA advertised AN ASSTON more for SWTOR and that was advertising cenetered around cinematic(not gameplay) for a well known and loved IP. This might not be a good thing. As SWTOR advert costs are part of their current problems. They have to make up more than just large dev costs.
Secondly both games are quest based and alot of people are just getting very rapidly tired of that.
So you found one on G4 which to my knowledge no one takes seriously anyways.
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lol What? They had facebook and beta events long before the game came out. It was all over the gaming communities websites.
I bought WoW simply because i was a fan of Blizzard and i was pretty sure it would be a good game and it was.
Having an existing fan base is definitely a good start however you always have to start somewhere. I dont know what Biowares first ever game was but i highly doubt it had a fan base before it.
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Oh that proof doesn't count beause it proves me wrong!
Haha, whatever buddy.
Actually he is correct. Quoting G4 for games is like quoting wikipedia...for anything.
The fact is what that reveiwer did would get them fired at either Gamespot or even Joystiq. It is rather unheard for a journalist to reveiw an unfinished product. That being said the launch product was virtually no different from the last month of Beta.
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I wiill say it TSW is just shit so i dont understand why you are shocked tbh...
and if any of you can say the combat is fun then you must have missed out on alot of the old mmo's where combat was fun..
Actually no it doesnt, there have only been a few more Star Wars novels and you missed the freaking point on purpose...Dragonlance is ONE SINGLE Dungeons and Dragons setting...ONE...and it has almost as many books as Star Wars and YES, you did provide that link as a proof of how much Media Star Wars is in...which you are attempting to use AGAIN in this response.
So, it isnt the point, yet for some reason you make the same point again by mentioning more media outlets...
None of which points to there being MORE Star Wars fans than LoTR fans! The only metric is how many went to see the films and the difference is NOT great. Do you even know that the 3 LoTR novels have sold almost as many copies as 100 of the best selling Star Wars novels? And how many people that bought those one of those star wars novels bought others in the genre?
You wont answer, because it goes against your train of thought that Star Wars is this magical juggernaught with billions of fans, instead of just a hardcore few million...and seeing as how the LOTR Bluray and DvDs have sold more copies than any 5 Star Wars films...there is enough proof you are wrong....doesnt matter if there is Star Wars toilet paper...it doesnt make it more popular if it doesnt sell well.
I know, come back with but Star Wars had a Christmas special, its PROOF! Cause we all know how popular THAT was
star wars is a much bigger franchise than D&D as a whole if you consider how many people recognize it and pay for its products.. if you think otherwise you are delusional
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
Star Wars the Clone Wars averages 2.3 million viewers...about 1/10th your average reality TV show. Even the Kardasians get more people watching and top 4 million.
Who is delusional about the popularity of the IP again? The KARDASIANS...seriously. LoTR the comedy could get higher ratings.
pretty much is.. not sure how anyone can even concievably think D&D is even close to as big of IP as star wars
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
LOL hands down one of the funniest posts I have seen on this website.. ever
but thanks for proving my point even more when a cartoon aimed at kids and young adults gets that many viewers.
I angered the clerk in a clothing shop today. She asked me what size I was and I said actual, because I am not to scale. I like vending machines 'cause snacks are better when they fall. If I buy a candy bar at a store, oftentimes, I will drop it... so that it achieves its maximum flavor potential. --Mitch Hedberg
I played it for a couple of days and I felt I had my time wasted.
It won't even last a week for me -- this game is a HUGE disappointment.
Never said it was. I was using your point against you. You gave a link listing the "amount" of media as in quantity matters.
It doesnt matter if 10,000 Star Wars novels are written if only a few of them sell well. And if 7 Harry Potter books sell more than 10,000 Star Wars novels...Potter is a bigger IP because it has MORE PEOPLE buying into it.
Potter has a small amount of books, a small amount of movies, and next to NO other media...other than its OWN theme park, instead of a ride in someones.
The post was to debunk the moronic idea you put forth...and you just unknowingly agreed with it.
This is even funnier, 2 million copies sold at launch for $60-70+ US, unlimited free play for all after wards...
I personally spent 180 baught 3 copies 1 for the gf and 1 for a good RL buddy.