I think a lot of the hate is fake...and misdirected.

Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

I think people are hating on GW2 in order to get a rise out of all the GW2 fanboys who trashed every other mmo this year on this site.

So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year.

And why are you here then? Once again, a hypocrit. 

Edit: But the entire forum and website and world are full of them.

Its spelled Hiypocrite and how am I one? I did not trash your game I just explained why your game is getting trashed so much which I believe is deserved.

I'm just a spectator who is watching kids screaming at each other that there toy is the coolest and anyone who disagree's is dumb.

Ya, I left out an e but you added an i. Hypocrite. mispelled sorry about that

You are here now not commenting on the game we play, but on what others are doing wrong. I don't go to other forums to post anything negative, if I did I would be a hypocrite also.

Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

I think people are hating on GW2 in order to get a rise out of all the GW2 fanboys who trashed every other mmo this year on this site.

So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year.

And why are you here then? Once again, a hypocrit. 

Edit: But the entire forum and website and world are full of them.

Its spelled Hiypocrite and how am I one? I did not trash your game I just explained why your game is getting trashed so much which I believe is deserved.

I'm just a spectator who is watching kids screaming at each other that there toy is the coolest and anyone who disagree's is dumb.

Ya, I left out an e but you added an i. Hypocrite. mispelled sorry about that

You are here now not commenting on the game we play, but on what others are doing wrong. I don't go to other forums to post anything negative, if I did I would be a hypocrite also.

Then my post is not talking about you? Move a long and don't be so full of yourself.

P.S. I said nothing negative.

fixif

While I agree GW2 is doing something right and has few innovative approaches to the game, I have to disagree that this is the game that, as the OP said, "is doing something out of the box." Much of the "hatred" focused towards this game is actually directed to its fanbase, which is more of then not, borderlining with pure fanboism. The title of the thread itself implies the same thing. OP is going the distance by claiming GW2 is so great it is not possible to hate it. Infact anyone that does hate it, actually loves because it's unbelievably great.

GW2 won't fail, as a matter of fact, It is pretty obvious it will yield a massive success, but certain groups (and there are  A LOT of these) surrounding this game are really blowing this whole "GW2 next gen, everyone fears GW2, GW2>>>>>>>>>>WoW, ermerhgerd GW2gasms" way out of the proportion. Although I did read few replies here that are objective, most of them are repeating the same thing over and over again - everyone hates GW2 because it is so great, everyone fears GW2 because it will obviously eat any other game alive, resulting yet again in GW2 hatred, GW2 is a nextgen MMO. Every single of these claims is true but only to some extent. Majority of the GW2 fans that I've talked to are repeating the same story. Literally. Also, there are people that claim GW2 will dethrone WoW, which is not intention of any developer for obvious reasons. This "dethroning" argument is only for people that really don't understand games they are playing and MMOs in general.

I, myself, am a WoW player, and I do hate the state the WoW is in right now. Over the years I tried large number of other MMOs but nothing comes close (for me) to what I enjoy most in WoW - raiding . I did not log on for the last 5 months but I will buy MOP regardless. That being said, my desire for GW2 to succeed comes from my disapointment in WoW.  WoW got pretty lazy because there is no real competition.They can afford to dissipate their greatest talents on other games. I expected Rift and SWTOR to turn out as they did at the end so I didn't get my hopes up for them to force Blizzard to improve. While GW2 and WoW don't target exactly the same audiences and it is possible to play both, I genuinely hope GW2 would turn out to be even greater success than people predict and maybe, just maybe Blizzard would realize a few things thus resulting in a better game for everyone.

PS. Yes, I did play betas.

PSS. I choose WoW to compare with GW2 because most of the hatred comes from that community and lets say WoW and GW have been rivals from when genre became so massively popular.

 

Edit: I see there are some grammar nazis here, so excuse my english and grammar, english is not my first language.

Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

I think people are hating on GW2 in order to get a rise out of all the GW2 fanboys who trashed every other mmo this year on this site.

So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year.

And why are you here then? Once again, a hypocrit. 

Edit: But the entire forum and website and world are full of them.

Its spelled Hiypocrite and how am I one? I did not trash your game I just explained why your game is getting trashed so much which I believe is deserved.

I'm just a spectator who is watching kids screaming at each other that there toy is the coolest and anyone who disagree's is dumb.

Ya, I left out an e but you added an i. Hypocrite. mispelled sorry about that

You are here now not commenting on the game we play, but on what others are doing wrong. I don't go to other forums to post anything negative, if I did I would be a hypocrite also.

Then my post is not talking about you? Move a long and don't be so full of yourself.

P.S. I said nothing negative.

You are right sir. Your phrase is uplifting and inspirational to all GW2 players. It is not negative and a highly positive comment. "So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year." 

Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

I think people are hating on GW2 in order to get a rise out of all the GW2 fanboys who trashed every other mmo this year on this site.

So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year.

And why are you here then? Once again, a hypocrit. 

Edit: But the entire forum and website and world are full of them.

Its spelled Hiypocrite and how am I one? I did not trash your game I just explained why your game is getting trashed so much which I believe is deserved.

I'm just a spectator who is watching kids screaming at each other that there toy is the coolest and anyone who disagree's is dumb.

Ya, I left out an e but you added an i. Hypocrite. mispelled sorry about that

You are here now not commenting on the game we play, but on what others are doing wrong. I don't go to other forums to post anything negative, if I did I would be a hypocrite also.

Then my post is not talking about you? Move a long and don't be so full of yourself.

P.S. I said nothing negative.

You are right sir. Your phrase is uplifting and inspirational to all GW2 players. It is not negative and a highly positive comment. "So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year." 

Telling people to stand up take it is a bad thing? Riiiiiiiiight I should have told them to shrivel up and cry and let these posts affect you.

Is it fact that GW2 fanboys trolled Swtor? Yes! Did GW2 fanboys troll Secret World? Yes!

I am telling people to be realistic and deal with it. If you want everything sugar coated well then sorry but its time to grow up.

Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

You are right sir. Your phrase is uplifting and inspirational to all GW2 players. It is not negative and a highly positive comment. "So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year." 

Telling people to stand up take it is a bad thing? Riiiiiiiiight I should have told them to shrivel up and cry and let these posts affect you.

Is it fact that GW2 fanboys trolled Swtor? Yes! Did GW2 fanboys troll Secret World? Yes!

I am telling people to be realistic and deal with it. If you want everything sugar coated well then sorry but its time to grow up.

Of course GW2 fans went to SWTOR and it goes both ways. Me going to that forum and telling them what to do is not going to help matters one bit. If you aren't happy with GW2 and the comments the fans make then keep it to yourself. Going to the GW2 forum, stirring up trouble, is the same thing and is hypocritical.

edit: I will not comment further on this. It is leading away from the topic.

Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

Originally posted by Xirik

Originally posted by Amjoco

You are right sir. Your phrase is uplifting and inspirational to all GW2 players. It is not negative and a highly positive comment. "So don't cry just make stiff lip and take the hate you spewed at other games fans this past year." 

Telling people to stand up take it is a bad thing? Riiiiiiiiight I should have told them to shrivel up and cry and let these posts affect you.

Is it fact that GW2 fanboys trolled Swtor? Yes! Did GW2 fanboys troll Secret World? Yes!

I am telling people to be realistic and deal with it. If you want everything sugar coated well then sorry but its time to grow up.

Of course GW2 fans went to SWTOR I know and it goes both ways.I know X2 Me going to that forum and telling them what to do is not going to help matters one bit.Glad we are on the same page! If you aren't happy with GW2 and the comments the fans make then keep it to yourself.I am perfectly happy thanks for asking. I don't care what gw2 fanboys say I am just stating facts. Going to the GW2 forum, stirring up trouble, is the same thing and is hypocritical. It is hypocritical and I hope people don't do that. Atleast we don't have anyone doing that in this thread.

edit: I will not comment further on this. It is leading away from the topic.

Why comment in the first place? my post was perfectly on topic.

 

Avarix

I am not a huge fan of the game. I find it sad that because of that there has to be something wrong with me. I can't simply think it's not all it's cracked up to be and be a normal human being?

I wrote a review with my concerns. A more recent one, I watched a video where they talked about the "Mysitc Forge"(sp?) and how you get gear by using skill points. While I think that the Pay2Win arguments are crazy, this does concern me. The shop will have ways of gaining skills faster, no? This would mean getting gear easier/faster because of the cash shop. I am not a fan of that at all.

I find my concerns/views valid and not at all misinformed. The better question is, why are you so hell-bent on proving otherwise? I am entitled to not like the same game as you, get over it.

Bladestrom

You are misinformed m8 because you think the speed at which you get something matters. - beyond the first couple of weeks it just doesn't, so if someone wants to spend a thousand pound to save doing activities they don't fancy doing, that's fine because it gives them no advantage over people who don't ultimately.

Bladestrom

^^ in fact it finds the continuation of the game I love, win win.

tawess

Why does sportfan X hate team Y

Why does Coca-Cola fans hate Pepsi

Because we like to feel part of a community, and being part of a community is showing loyalty to said community. And in all honesty this fact make such confrontations easy. After all why should anyone defend GW2 if ther was not a beleif and a sense of community, they against us.

 

Or to put it simple, it is a ago-old reflex designed to form strong bonds within a tribe or family unit. That is why.

Bladestrom

Yup, and on the other side of the coin those who attack based on a comparison with their own chosen game are attacking because of a fear that their own community is under threat.

rutaq

Originally posted by Bladestrom
You are misinformed m8 because you think the speed at which you get something matters. - beyond the first couple of weeks it just doesn't, so if someone wants to spend a thousand pound to save doing activities they don't fancy doing, that's fine because it gives them no advantage over people who don't ultimately.

 

The time it takes to achieve something is pretty important,  hence the reason that some people would rather spend money on a cash shop advantage versus putting in the time to play and earn it themselves.

 

You may be correct that after a couple weeks the cash shop advantage may fade but it doesn't negate the fact of In Game advantage being sold on the Cash shop of a game that supposedly has some basis on player competition.

 

Ultimately the impact of selling advantage is based on the reaction of the customers.

• The "hardcore" players may chose to complain on the forums and skip the game because it is polluting competition by whoring itself out through an item shop.

 

• The "casual" players may like it, because they don't want to or the time to really compete, they want to leverage money to make up the difference and still get to compete.

 

   Honestly I am not really a hater,  the game is solid, well made and has some very clear design goals.  

 

 Sadly the goals are completely opposite from where I want to go.   I don't need any more casual, Single Player RPG, solo play focused, dynamic quasi grouping,  failure rewarding, no risk, no penalty, no way to lose, Adventure's Daycare MMOs.

Hurray !  another 100+ million dollar forgettable timesink for a few months until the next waste of time themepark is grunted out.

 

Creslin321

Originally posted by tawess

Why does sportfan X hate team Y

Why does Coca-Cola fans hate Pepsi

Because we like to feel part of a community, and being part of a community is showing loyalty to said community. And in all honesty this fact make such confrontations easy. After all why should anyone defend GW2 if ther was not a beleif and a sense of community, they against us.

 

Or to put it simple, it is a ago-old reflex designed to form strong bonds within a tribe or family unit. That is why.

 I don't disagree with you, but it annoys me that everyone thinks like this.

I have posted a lot of negative things on the SWTOR forums, and I am also a fan of GW2.  But the reason I posted negative things about SWTOR was because I genuinely felt like that game was trying to take the genre in a bad direction, and there were lots of things wrong with it.  In addition, most of these negative posts I made had actual arguments behind them with reasoning...they weren't just "it sucks" kinds of posts.

However so many people would just dismiss my arguments out of hand because they knew I happened to like GW2.  It's really irritating.  I know that some people like to play this whole my game versus yours thing...but I don't want to be in that game.  If I dislike something...it's because I genuinely dislike it...no other reason.  And even though I am currently a fan of GW2, I am not shy to criticize it in areas that I find it deserving.

Unknown

Originally posted by rutaq

Originally posted by Bladestrom
You are misinformed m8 because you think the speed at which you get something matters. - beyond the first couple of weeks it just doesn't, so if someone wants to spend a thousand pound to save doing activities they don't fancy doing, that's fine because it gives them no advantage over people who don't ultimately.

 

The time it takes to achieve something is pretty important,  hence the reason that some people would rather spend money on a cash shop advantage versus putting in the time to play and earn it themselves.

 

You may be correct that after a couple weeks the cash shop advantage may fade but it doesn't negate the fact of In Game advantage being sold on the Cash shop of a game that supposedly has some basis on player competition.

 

Ultimately the impact of selling advantage is based on the reaction of the customers.

• The "hardcore" players may chose to complain on the forums and skip the game because it is polluting competition by whoring itself out through an item shop.

 

• The "casual" players may like it, because they don't want to or the time to really compete, they want to leverage money to make up the difference and still get to compete.

 

   Honestly I am not really a hater,  the game is solid, well made and has some very clear design goals.  

 

 Sadly the goals are completely opposite from where I want to go.   I don't need any more casual, Single Player RPG, solo play focused, dynamic quasi grouping,  failure rewarding, no risk, no penalty, no way to lose, Adventure's Daycare MMOs.

Hurray !  another 100+ million dollar forgettable timesink for a few months until the next waste of time themepark is grunted out.

 

So let me get this straight... you have no interest whatsoever in GW2 yet you are posting on the game's forums.  May I ask why?

MikeB

Not sure why this wasn't locked earlier! Let's stick to discussing the game and not the people discussing the game.