Can you imagine what would happen if WoW went B2P? THEN I would say the sub model is dead. Also if WoW went B2P, that list you have there would be much much longer. However, this scenarior will be bad for the future of MMOs in general, imo. MMOs are huge investments with crazy high risk involved and the main appeal to investors is that they can get a game which offers a continuous stream of revenue. But if they see that the one of the very few successful sub games goes B2P, why would they invest in an MMO? Much easier to make a singleplayer/multiplayer game, lower investment, lower risk etc.
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Please no. It needs to revert to the old days when a "monthly fee" actually got us a sizable update every month (see: Asheron's Call). It made the sub fee actually worthwhile. Games like Warcraft get away with 6 month gaps without updates because people ALLOW them to. That is the only reason subscription based games are considered "bad" now.
Another great example is EVE. Regular, sizable expansions on top of patches that are all free.
B2P only means there will be so many more expansions, just like GW1, and cash shop items.
Truer words were never spoken. Though I agree with the OP as far as the current MMO's go, you don't get what you pay for. More people need to vote with their feet/wallets and sooner. If you pay for a years worth of lackluster patches then leave you haven't taught anyone a lesson. If you wait a month and find out from your friends that they don't do much with the 15 a month you can not buy the game or at least quit in the first free month or two.
Yea, they should definitely go B2P in order to sacrifice profit and prevent the companies behind them to make more MMOs in the future.
If your product is good enough to hold large number of subs for a long time making it a more profitable business model, then it definitely should stay P2P.
I really like when people who have no idea about business and economics suggest what business model a product should use.
I suggest that you just stick to playing GW 2 since you apparently have fun doing it and let more competent people (probably those with education in economics) decide what business model should be used for which game.
This. As someone doing an economics/business degree, I am just amazed by the amount of ignorance coming from some people. Some people don't even know what PROFIT is....
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Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case. WoW may have more content, and Rift has added quite a bit, but in the end, why pay for another sub if the experience doesn't equal that of GW2?
As for prior AAAs gone F2P, they could all take a lesson from GW2's cash shop, but even that won't be enough. LOTRO, DDO, Etc, Etc, they are all way too restrictive. GW2 gives you everything with the cash shop completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, new F2Ps simply don't have the budget to keep up since they lack the box fee.
Basically, all MMOs should seriously consider dropping their current pricing models and figure out a fair B2P "box price" with a GW2 quality cash shop to compliment it.
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ArenaNet's marketing team is brilliant. They made a F2P game, put a front loaded box charge on and then positioned against the subscription model. I can easily see future F2P games doing the same thing - slap a box charge up front and hard sell the 'no subscription fee' angle.
BTW, attributing the closure of those two games to GW2 is one heck of a leap. Correlation does not imply causation.
This easily fits you : "I have no clue what I am talking about." ( It's found in your signature )
Could you explain why you feel that way? I'm rather interested in what you felt was false there and why. To be clear, I'm not saying you're right, wrong or anything in between, rather I would like to know why you feel either the part about the business model or the part about the closures is so way off base.
First of, the game is B2P, not F2P , no matter what you are trying to "prove". Simple, there is a difference between P2P, B2P and F2P, so please, don't change the "history" . Secondly , you were clearly tried to somehow create "heat" with that comment! So please, next time don't "fish" the game from his category , and put it in "where he's not belong", (in F2P) category!
I wasn't trying to "prove" anything in my post. Look, you've rallied behind this 'B2P' idea that posters came up with and that's fine. Actually, it's exactly what the industry would like you to do. However, to deny that this is a microtransaction-based game or to reject that its only difference is the front loaded box price is ridiculous. IMO, ArenaNet did a great thing, because it allowed them to create a subscriptionless game on a AAA budget. Other devs will see this and follow suit.
If that upsets you (and I don't know why it should) then I am sorry, however if you take a step back and look at the company, the game and the business model objectively, you'll see that B2P doesn't really exist. It's a creation by a crowd that has rejected F2P and wants a banner to rally behind in opposition to subscription. ArenaNet's marketing team was probably very happy for that out, as all they had to do was to keep repeating "buy the box, no subscription" and let that crowd fill in the blanks how they wanted. ArenaNet found a brilliant way to sell the NA/EU audience on a F2P game - Repeatedly talk about what the business model isn't.
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Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete.
You fannuts are completely delusional.
I play a game that charges a sub, and outside of the headstart time, it s doing just fine. Actually, my guild has more people returning with a" ya not a good game, free or not" I s not the only game out there, and I prefer most P2P games, they seem to have a better crowd , once the dust settles.
Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case. WoW may have more content, and Rift has added quite a bit, but in the end, why pay for another sub if the experience doesn't equal that of GW2?
As for prior AAAs gone F2P, they could all take a lesson from GW2's cash shop, but even that won't be enough. LOTRO, DDO, Etc, Etc, they are all way too restrictive. GW2 gives you everything with the cash shop completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, new F2Ps simply don't have the budget to keep up since they lack the box fee.
Basically, all MMOs should seriously consider dropping their current pricing models and figure out a fair B2P "box price" with a GW2 quality cash shop to compliment it.
Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case. WoW may have more content, and Rift has added quite a bit, but in the end, why pay for another sub if the experience doesn't equal that of GW2?
As for prior AAAs gone F2P, they could all take a lesson from GW2's cash shop, but even that won't be enough. LOTRO, DDO, Etc, Etc, they are all way too restrictive. GW2 gives you everything with the cash shop completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, new F2Ps simply don't have the budget to keep up since they lack the box fee.
Basically, all MMOs should seriously consider dropping their current pricing models and figure out a fair B2P "box price" with a GW2 quality cash shop to compliment it.
GW made up 3% of NCSofts profits last year and have not made much more than that. The business model the GW franchises uses can only be done when supported by their subscription games (Aion) and store sales (Lineage/L2).
Look at the poll in the GW forums. Of the 600+ people who respondes 68% of them have not spent more than the box price. GW/GW2 is not as successful from a financial stand point.
CoH is owned by the same people as GW and they more than likely had to decide which game to stop supporting as GW is in the same catagory for pfofits as GW. GW may be next if enough GW fans migrate over.
And those F2P games you mentioned were sub based and are of a much better quality then true F2P games. Look at the Perfect World games, they are truly F2P from the start. Ya they have quantity (lots of stuff to do) but they are missing alot of quality. And those games are also made to force the players to spend in the cash shop. Many of the sub games that have gone f2p aren't.
City of heroes really was dying long before GW2 came out.
I think all 4 payment models should exist (P2P, B2P, F2P and freemium) because choices are good for the consumers.
However new games with monthly fees really need to be better than F2P and B2P games. Old games like Wow already have a name and players so they dont have this problem but a new P2P game need to either be just better or offer something that the others cant.
It is fine to have a product that seems to be more expensive (yeah, I know that freemium games often get more expensive than P2P) but it needs to be better in some way or the other if you want it to do well.
I also think that P2P games needs to scrap their itemshops if they want to stay alive, to have all included is one of the edges a P2P game can have.
If a releasing game is similar to GW2 or worse but more expensive it is logical that most people will ignore it, but if it would be very different it can pull it off fine.
Frankly can I see GW2 messing up F2P more than P2P, anyone who tried it know that you can get enough gems to buy any item in the store really fast without paying a dime while in a F2P or worse, freemium game $60 are nothing.
Next AAA B2P game releasing is Class 4, it will be interesting to see how it will do.
Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case.
I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
In either case, let me be the first to welcome our GW2 Overlords. All Hail The Game.
Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case. WoW may have more content, and Rift has added quite a bit, but in the end, why pay for another sub if the experience doesn't equal that of GW2?
As for prior AAAs gone F2P, they could all take a lesson from GW2's cash shop, but even that won't be enough. LOTRO, DDO, Etc, Etc, they are all way too restrictive. GW2 gives you everything with the cash shop completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, new F2Ps simply don't have the budget to keep up since they lack the box fee.
Basically, all MMOs should seriously consider dropping their current pricing models and figure out a fair B2P "box price" with a GW2 quality cash shop to compliment it.
Hahah i agree.Game companies will start rethinking that pay models.
It's not about the money it's about i dont like to be bound to a sub.I want pay wherever i feel like and not because they decided to.Hope Gw2 become the next e-sport - Next behemoth in mmos.Because it has great potential.
wll it become?I dont know this depends on the developers and their target.If they relesed a game and then say ok we are finished then they will fail.But if they continue to support it and enhance it then soon it will become one of the best mmos.
Well at least till the new gen arrives that consists of what gw 2 has offered plus sandbox elements.You know ship battles open pvp etc.
So far gw2 is the best fun game ever played.
Only things that bother me are the pve instances that are a bit confusing and does not require much strategy.
2nd is the performance of the game and optimization which really needs to be fixed.People with ultra high end rigs have bad performance as well.
3rd launch issues that hopefully will be fixed.
4th add some variety to item looks
5th make the pvp and wvw more rewarding so there can be great competition.
Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case. WoW may have more content, and Rift has added quite a bit, but in the end, why pay for another sub if the experience doesn't equal that of GW2?
As for prior AAAs gone F2P, they could all take a lesson from GW2's cash shop, but even that won't be enough. LOTRO, DDO, Etc, Etc, they are all way too restrictive. GW2 gives you everything with the cash shop completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, new F2Ps simply don't have the budget to keep up since they lack the box fee.
Basically, all MMOs should seriously consider dropping their current pricing models and figure out a fair B2P "box price" with a GW2 quality cash shop to compliment it.
Hahah i agree.Game companies will start rethinking that pay models.
It's not about the money it's about i dont like to be bound to a sub.I want pay wherever i feel like and not because they decided to.Hope Gw2 become the next e-sport - Next behemoth in mmos.Because it has great potential.
wll it become?I dont know this depends on the developers and their target.If they relesed a game and then say ok we are finished then they will fail.But if they continue to support it and enhance it then soon it will become one of the best mmos.
Well at least till the new gen arrives that consists of what gw 2 has offered plus sandbox elements.You know ship battles open pvp etc.
So far gw2 is the best fun game ever played.
Only things that bother me are the pve instances that are a bit confusing and does not require much strategy.
2nd is the performance of the game and optimization which really needs to be fixed.People with ultra high end rigs have bad performance as well.
3rd launch issues that hopefully will be fixed.
4th add some variety to item looks
5th make the pvp and wvw more rewarding so there can be great competition.
Seriously. Let me pay $15 bucks a month for GW2. In return, I get 2500 gems each month, extra bank slots and character slots, and a couple of unlocked Black Lion Chests per month. I'd pay for that in a hot second, and I'm not the only one.
Say that all should be F2P ect, in 6 months time when you have to fork out 60 bucks for a crapy litle exp that you have to get or else you cant compete anymore. Allso watch the community turn into the same as every other F2P game zerging soloers with the manners of a dog.
Originally posted by Darkmoth Here's another alternative for you:
GW2 should offer a subscription option.
Seriously. Let me pay $15 bucks a month for GW2. In return, I get 2500 gems each month, extra bank slots and character slots, and a couple of unlocked Black Lion Chests per month. I'd pay for that in a hot second, and I'm not the only one.
So basically you want $50 worth of goods for only $15. Yeah I'm sure Anet will go for that.
Originally posted by Darkmoth Here's another alternative for you:
GW2 should offer a subscription option.
Seriously. Let me pay $15 bucks a month for GW2. In return, I get 2500 gems each month, extra bank slots and character slots, and a couple of unlocked Black Lion Chests per month. I'd pay for that in a hot second, and I'm not the only one.
A subscription that offers a few extra perks would probably not be a bad idea, at all.
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Originally posted by Darkmoth Here's another alternative for you:
GW2 should offer a subscription option.
Seriously. Let me pay $15 bucks a month for GW2. In return, I get 2500 gems each month, extra bank slots and character slots, and a couple of unlocked Black Lion Chests per month. I'd pay for that in a hot second, and I'm not the only one.
Originally posted by Darkmoth Here's another alternative for you:
GW2 should offer a subscription option.
Seriously. Let me pay $15 bucks a month for GW2. In return, I get 2500 gems each month, extra bank slots and character slots, and a couple of unlocked Black Lion Chests per month. I'd pay for that in a hot second, and I'm not the only one.
So basically you want $50 worth of goods for only $15. Yeah I'm sure Anet will go for that.
Guild Wars 2 is buy the game, then play the cash shop, it's not free after you have bought the game, you are still paying. I would wager that they've made almost as much on sales from boxes as they have from the store. Because every now and then some moron comes along and drops 300+ on it, if you disagree there is a thread on the GW2 section.
Seriously who in there right mind would PAY for the box to get into Perfect World? Vanguard? (bless its heart). Seriously this is such an ill thought out post from someone BLINDED by Guild Wars 2. It's not the messiah, it's not the be all end all, it hasn't killed anything it wont kill anything.
CoH was ended because NCsoft decided they could pull the plug on it while they had GW2 and the simple fact that it was 8 years old and no longer bringing in the bacon, not because your light at the endof the tunnel caused it to sink in player base.
Can we not shuffle all the GW2 fanboys off into a small dark corner of MMORPG.com?
Originally posted by Darkmoth Here's another alternative for you:
GW2 should offer a subscription option.
Seriously. Let me pay $15 bucks a month for GW2. In return, I get 2500 gems each month, extra bank slots and character slots, and a couple of unlocked Black Lion Chests per month. I'd pay for that in a hot second, and I'm not the only one.
So basically you want $50 worth of goods for only $15. Yeah I'm sure Anet will go for that.
Not if anyone play more than 3 months
While his numbers are certainly off, his idea seems pretty reasonable. A subscription fee for those that would like one which includes some gems, BL keys, and a few extra perks.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case. WoW may have more content, and Rift has added quite a bit, but in the end, why pay for another sub if the experience doesn't equal that of GW2?
As for prior AAAs gone F2P, they could all take a lesson from GW2's cash shop, but even that won't be enough. LOTRO, DDO, Etc, Etc, they are all way too restrictive. GW2 gives you everything with the cash shop completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, new F2Ps simply don't have the budget to keep up since they lack the box fee.
Basically, all MMOs should seriously consider dropping their current pricing models and figure out a fair B2P "box price" with a GW2 quality cash shop to compliment it.
Your post history says it all, here you go Mr. Prediction http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4641221#4641221 I guess you ate your words on that one. You're nothing but a next-big-thinger. Then you come on here spewing this crap. Bitch please. I can't wait to read your posts when ArcheAge, WildStar, and EqNext launch.
Sub, F2P... it doesn't matter. With GW2 upon us, they will not be able to compete. To sub another mmo besides GW2 would imply that the other mmo offers more or is somehow superior. This isn't the case. WoW may have more content, and Rift has added quite a bit, but in the end, why pay for another sub if the experience doesn't equal that of GW2?
As for prior AAAs gone F2P, they could all take a lesson from GW2's cash shop, but even that won't be enough. LOTRO, DDO, Etc, Etc, they are all way too restrictive. GW2 gives you everything with the cash shop completely unnecessary. Meanwhile, new F2Ps simply don't have the budget to keep up since they lack the box fee.
Basically, all MMOs should seriously consider dropping their current pricing models and figure out a fair B2P "box price" with a GW2 quality cash shop to compliment it.
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Truer words were never spoken. Though I agree with the OP as far as the current MMO's go, you don't get what you pay for. More people need to vote with their feet/wallets and sooner. If you pay for a years worth of lackluster patches then leave you haven't taught anyone a lesson. If you wait a month and find out from your friends that they don't do much with the 15 a month you can not buy the game or at least quit in the first free month or two.
$20 says the OP's wet dream is to post the following update:
World of Warcraft http://www.nytimes/article/WorldOfWarcraftToCloseDueToGW2
This. As someone doing an economics/business degree, I am just amazed by the amount of ignorance coming from some people. Some people don't even know what PROFIT is....
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EVE is totally superior to GW2 in at least 5 major areas, in fact it has features and functionality that is totally lacking in GW2.
IMO, and I'll keep paying for my 3 subs thank you.
Such nonsense being posted by GW2 fans, game makes you lose your sense of reason apparently.
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I wasn't trying to "prove" anything in my post. Look, you've rallied behind this 'B2P' idea that posters came up with and that's fine. Actually, it's exactly what the industry would like you to do. However, to deny that this is a microtransaction-based game or to reject that its only difference is the front loaded box price is ridiculous. IMO, ArenaNet did a great thing, because it allowed them to create a subscriptionless game on a AAA budget. Other devs will see this and follow suit.
If that upsets you (and I don't know why it should) then I am sorry, however if you take a step back and look at the company, the game and the business model objectively, you'll see that B2P doesn't really exist. It's a creation by a crowd that has rejected F2P and wants a banner to rally behind in opposition to subscription. ArenaNet's marketing team was probably very happy for that out, as all they had to do was to keep repeating "buy the box, no subscription" and let that crowd fill in the blanks how they wanted. ArenaNet found a brilliant way to sell the NA/EU audience on a F2P game - Repeatedly talk about what the business model isn't.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I play a game that charges a sub, and outside of the headstart time, it s doing just fine. Actually, my guild has more people returning with a" ya not a good game, free or not" I s not the only game out there, and I prefer most P2P games, they seem to have a better crowd , once the dust settles.
EVE puts GW2 to shame....So does WoW, they'll both continue to make more revenue than GW2, there's no reason for them to change.
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You seriously believe that COH and BP are closing down because of GW2?
Bite Me
GW made up 3% of NCSofts profits last year and have not made much more than that. The business model the GW franchises uses can only be done when supported by their subscription games (Aion) and store sales (Lineage/L2).
Look at the poll in the GW forums. Of the 600+ people who respondes 68% of them have not spent more than the box price. GW/GW2 is not as successful from a financial stand point.
CoH is owned by the same people as GW and they more than likely had to decide which game to stop supporting as GW is in the same catagory for pfofits as GW. GW may be next if enough GW fans migrate over.
And those F2P games you mentioned were sub based and are of a much better quality then true F2P games. Look at the Perfect World games, they are truly F2P from the start. Ya they have quantity (lots of stuff to do) but they are missing alot of quality. And those games are also made to force the players to spend in the cash shop. Many of the sub games that have gone f2p aren't.
City of heroes really was dying long before GW2 came out.
I think all 4 payment models should exist (P2P, B2P, F2P and freemium) because choices are good for the consumers.
However new games with monthly fees really need to be better than F2P and B2P games. Old games like Wow already have a name and players so they dont have this problem but a new P2P game need to either be just better or offer something that the others cant.
It is fine to have a product that seems to be more expensive (yeah, I know that freemium games often get more expensive than P2P) but it needs to be better in some way or the other if you want it to do well.
I also think that P2P games needs to scrap their itemshops if they want to stay alive, to have all included is one of the edges a P2P game can have.
If a releasing game is similar to GW2 or worse but more expensive it is logical that most people will ignore it, but if it would be very different it can pull it off fine.
Frankly can I see GW2 messing up F2P more than P2P, anyone who tried it know that you can get enough gems to buy any item in the store really fast without paying a dime while in a F2P or worse, freemium game $60 are nothing.
Next AAA B2P game releasing is Class 4, it will be interesting to see how it will do.
I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
In either case, let me be the first to welcome our GW2 Overlords. All Hail The Game.
All Hail The Game.
Hahah i agree.Game companies will start rethinking that pay models.
It's not about the money it's about i dont like to be bound to a sub.I want pay wherever i feel like and not because they decided to.Hope Gw2 become the next e-sport - Next behemoth in mmos.Because it has great potential.
wll it become?I dont know this depends on the developers and their target.If they relesed a game and then say ok we are finished then they will fail.But if they continue to support it and enhance it then soon it will become one of the best mmos.
Well at least till the new gen arrives that consists of what gw 2 has offered plus sandbox elements.You know ship battles open pvp etc.
So far gw2 is the best fun game ever played.
Only things that bother me are the pve instances that are a bit confusing and does not require much strategy.
2nd is the performance of the game and optimization which really needs to be fixed.People with ultra high end rigs have bad performance as well.
3rd launch issues that hopefully will be fixed.
4th add some variety to item looks
5th make the pvp and wvw more rewarding so there can be great competition.
*shakes head*
Bite Me
GW2 should offer a subscription option.
Seriously. Let me pay $15 bucks a month for GW2. In return, I get 2500 gems each month, extra bank slots and character slots, and a couple of unlocked Black Lion Chests per month. I'd pay for that in a hot second, and I'm not the only one.
So basically you want $50 worth of goods for only $15. Yeah I'm sure Anet will go for that.
Nah give me a sub.
I don't like a company tugging at my wallet all day.
A subscription that offers a few extra perks would probably not be a bad idea, at all.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Not if anyone play more than 3 months
B2P? lol
Guild Wars 2 is buy the game, then play the cash shop, it's not free after you have bought the game, you are still paying. I would wager that they've made almost as much on sales from boxes as they have from the store. Because every now and then some moron comes along and drops 300+ on it, if you disagree there is a thread on the GW2 section.
Seriously who in there right mind would PAY for the box to get into Perfect World? Vanguard? (bless its heart). Seriously this is such an ill thought out post from someone BLINDED by Guild Wars 2. It's not the messiah, it's not the be all end all, it hasn't killed anything it wont kill anything.
CoH was ended because NCsoft decided they could pull the plug on it while they had GW2 and the simple fact that it was 8 years old and no longer bringing in the bacon, not because your light at the endof the tunnel caused it to sink in player base.
Can we not shuffle all the GW2 fanboys off into a small dark corner of MMORPG.com?
While his numbers are certainly off, his idea seems pretty reasonable. A subscription fee for those that would like one which includes some gems, BL keys, and a few extra perks.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Your post history says it all, here you go Mr. Prediction http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/4641221#4641221 I guess you ate your words on that one. You're nothing but a next-big-thinger. Then you come on here spewing this crap. Bitch please. I can't wait to read your posts when ArcheAge, WildStar, and EqNext launch.
Blah blah blah. I'll come back to watch you eat these words when the wretched "Pandyland" expansion blows GW2s sales out of the fucking water.
"Gypsies, tramps, and thieves, we were called by the Admin of the site . . . "