Mourning- Unethical Business and Horrid Game

Sporn · May 2005

It seems obvious the devs cashed there chips in with the pre-orders and now their shell of a game. They will prolly just leave the game as is in attempt to lure the ocassional sucker or sight seer.

Seeing Spoon and Natty leave says somthin especially how that tool spoon would stick up for the devs and blame only the publisher.

Lurking on those forums for awhile I can only say good things about Natty.

But for the most part that community was like a cult and looking back they were really creepy in their blind enthusiasm. I think alot of that was caused by the devs never showing progress but making great claims and people wanted to belive so bad they were inadvertently helping the devs by bashing anyone who asked valid questions.

It's good to see though that people kept up on this and that the word did get out before 1000's coulda been SCAMMED.

SCAM FRAUD SCAMMED FRAUD MMORPG.COM MMORPG.COM SCAM MMORPG.COM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whats to fear of these words unless you have somthing to hide!

DerfelCadarn · May 2005

Originally posted by Sporn
Seeing Spoon and Natty leave says somthin especially how that tool spoon would stick up for the devs and blame only the publisher.
Lurking on those forums for awhile I can only say good things about Natty.
But for the most part that community was like a cult and looking back they were really creepy in their blind enthusiasm. I think alot of that was caused by the devs never showing progress but making great claims and people wanted to belive so bad they were inadvertently helping the devs by bashing anyone who asked valid questions.

I just noticed that, there community is very cult-like. The creepy enthusiasm was just bizzare, how the whole group would follow Dave to hell and back. When something bad would happen, the blame game would start, and it would NEVER be the devs fault. It was always that mean billing system, or that big mean publisher, or that mean guy that is around the office sometimes. Never the Horizons Limited or any of the top devs fault. Over time it has become quiet clear that the devs and mods have horrid people skills. Getting kicked off three sites, being the darling of somethingawful.com, and having two of your own mods rebel againist you shows how the core of Horizon Limited Company really is, nasty and only intrested in money.

I mean, I can promise wonderful things too, it doesn't make them true. And right now, Mourning has nothing to show for those "wonderful ideas" but alot of bugs, a unstable server and a grind.

Tarl · June 2005

This game marches on, offering no info to the people, but accepts their money no doubt... ::::33::

ste2000 · June 2005

I read Morning forum almost every day, if not to have a good laugh.

Spoonbender was not only an ex Mod, but also the ultimate fanboy.
The positive side of Spoonbender was that actually, he was the most intelligent and balanced person in the forum, and probably the person with the best communication skills over there.
I even suggested Egomancer to promote him as community manager in order to savage all the damage caused by Ego PR disaster.
But as I suspected Egomancer and co. don't give a damn shit about PR and they keep appointing 12 y/o kids as Mods(or adults with a brain of a 12 y/o)................pure madness.
Natty was just a nice person, who loved Mourning so much that he decided to put up with all the nonsense of the devs hoping to see things changing in the future.

Well, the situation didn't improve, it actually got worse, forcing those 2 colums of Mourning community to give up eventually.

Now the forum is all about ignorant fanboys that will accept everything Egomancer will say or do as if it was the word of Jesus Christ.

The conclusion is:
DO NOT BUY THIS GAME, IT IS STILL IN BETA AND THE DEVS AND COMMUNITY SUCKS. DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY!!!!
You've been warned.......................

woris · June 2005

lol, this thread is probably going on forever..

Let me contribute.. Mourning is a SCAM and FRAUD, DEVS and COMMUNITY SUCKS, they have NAZI mods, they are a BLIND CULT that would KILL people if EGO said so, they BASH EVERYONE who asks VALID QUESTIONS.. And if you are stupid enough not to realize it yet, DO NOT BUY THIS GAME AND JOIN THE CULT, or you'll BURN IN HELL! Oh and btw, the game is still in beta, just to let you know.

Remember that kids.

ste2000 · June 2005

Originally posted by woris

lol, this thread is probably going on forever..
Let me contribute.. Mourning is a SCAM and FRAUD, DEVS and COMMUNITY SUCKS, they have NAZI mods, they are a BLIND CULT that would KILL people if EGO said so, they BASH EVERYONE who asks VALID QUESTIONS.. And if you are stupid enough not to realize it yet, DO NOT BUY THIS GAME AND JOIN THE CULT, or you'll BURN IN HELL! Oh and btw, the game is still in beta, just to let you know.
Remember that kids.

Yes this thread will go on forever, or at least, until Mourning servers are shut forever, or the devs stop deceiving people, and start being more professional.

If you don't like it, you can come back to Mourning forum where you can suck developers arse (unless you are one of them, in that case you can suck your own).

Sorry if we are not grown up enough to support this kind of scam as you do (since the only posts in this forum has been in defence of this game)
We rather prefer to be kids with a brain than "adults" with 2 and a half brain cells.

woris · June 2005

Im sorry if I wasn't clear. All I'm saying is that from my point of view this fuss around here looks funny, because I haven't seen anything of that on the Mourning forums. It looks like a gank fest to me.

If someone has proof, I'm all open for them.

And you can probably see, I have defended Mourning, but haven't said much good about them either. I'm trying to stay neutral before I see it myself.

Harelin · June 2005

Originally posted by woris
If someone has proof, I'm all open for them.

... have you seen the first post of this thread?

The reason you don't see evidence of this on *their* forums is because they decided a long time ago to delete anything that even hints at negativity regarding these issues. Go ahead and try to copy and paste the url of this thread to their forums, you'll notice it's on their bad word list and therefore is censored with asterisks... and so is the word 'scam' etc.

woris · June 2005

I planned to quote every point from that post, but as it is so long, I gave up.

I have read it, and although the devs were late in many things, I don't think it makes Mourning a scam, or unethical business.

If you post a point that you believe makes M scam, I can tell how it probably isn't

DerfelCadarn · June 2005

Im not sure you understand.

Delete threads that show the least bit negativity. Every thread that is mentioned in this post is deleted quickly.
Post Ip address of personal enemies for people to "play with". Look at Harelin's log.
Had 3 sections totally devoted to banning, which include "Im a jackass, and have been banned", and other place that the publisher laughed about how much it is to ban people.
Released a beta/alpha. Ego claimed it was due to money needs, rather then thinking about there customers. Around the net, the game is just a joke.
Use Filters to block words such as "Fraud", "Scam", "MMORPG.com", "Somethingawful.com"
Charaged people before the game was lanunched randomly and without notice. There are still double charages going on today by people that canceled.
Two Mods left Mourning due to poor PR skills by the Mods and publisher.
Send out CD-RW with a old beta on it to pre-orders to get around a law requiring them to send out the game. The Ego called it a "Collectors Item".
Servers are up less then 1/3 of the time. A code that should have been put in place in the early beta never was, so the lag get worse as people even get close to 30 ppl online.
Most of the promised FAQ features never implemented.
Pre-orders were promised a 40 percent discount, then at release, the download was 20 dollars and the pre-order was 30 dollars. So the Mourning devs just stole 10 dollars from people.
The Devs threaten legal action to people around the net for "slander" against there game. Bugman here, the PK.org forum also had problems with abuse of power by Mournind Devs. They also threaten websites for wrong doing http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2706
Over 3 large sites including mmorpg.com have tossed Mourning due to very poor treatment and communication.
Reviews by players on ever site besides the mourning board have show the game to be a joke.
Devs of Mourning go to other games boards(Dark and Light) and tell that games fans that "your game is vaporware". Very Professional.
Devs deleted over 3 years of posts to earse evidence. "Deleting three years of posts, sounds like Dave to me.... People run from this game now.....Nattydread, Moderator

For those that still don't get the point:
Please Read Inferno's thread-
http://www.dnl.net/forums/showthread.php?t=14076&page=1&pp=20&highlight=Mourning
Horizon's Thread on Mourning:
http://vnboards.ign.com/Horizons_General_Board/b5252/85441925/?30
Fileplanet Thread on Mourning:
http://www.forumplanet.com/gamespy/topic.asp?fid=1422&tid=1648084
Harelin's Thread on Mourning:
http://www.evcitadel.com/ev/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=26&topic=667.0
Vanguard Thread on Mourning:
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=538e2844999442e4488f4bb6cbfcf24b&threadid=11190&highlight=mourning
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=538e2844999442e4488f4bb6cbfcf24b&threadid=13183&highlight=mourning
http://www.vanguardsagaofheroes.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-12972
PKer's Thread on Mourning:
http://www.pker.org/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=4318&KW=mourning&PN=0&TPN=1
Shipwreaks Thread on Mourning:
http://www.thesaltymaid.com/tspforums/showthread.php?p=24155
Gamespot's Threads on Mourning:
http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=314159267&topic=20831208
http://forums.gamespot.com/gamespot/show_messages.php?board=314159267&topic=20843823p
KillerRat's Blog on Mourning:
http://www.killtenrats.com/?p=252#comments
Aggro's Blog on Mourning:
http://aggrome.blogspot.com/2005/05/no-mourning-for-mourning.html
game memes blog on Mourning:
http://www.gamememes.com/gamememes/2005/05/mourning_is_a_n.html
And Quote of the Week from Aggro's Blog:
"Way back when I blasted Mourning for threatening to sue my favorite website.

So, it's nice to see that after a development phase filled with unending drama Mourning has gone "live" in disastrous fashion.
They are known for utilizing the concept of perma-death in their game but what we're seeing here is the perma-death of the game itself.
It's apparently so much fun that they already wiped the forums. Luckily, Flashman over at Game Memes has a nice screen capture in which one of the moderators tells people to "run from the game." That's always a good sign.
There are also some deleted posts from the Mourning forums at this link. My favorite quote from Egomancer is "And yes, you will pay to play a game that still should be in an alpha/beta stage. It should never get to this but this was our limit of competence..." Oh wow, that's great. Wouldn't want you to overreach your limit of competence. To be fair I don't know for sure if that's a valid quote as it is not in the official forums (which they wiped).
In the comments section over at Kill Ten Rats, Krones notes that the price has gone from $30 preorder to $20 now. Another encouraging item. In the same comments section Azeroth notes that they have actually censored the word "fraud" on the Mourning forums. Wonderful.
Here's a thread at MMORPG.COM taking bets on how long it takes to Mourning shuts down. Here's another thread with a 1/10 review. Yes, 1 is the lowest.
But read the Mourning forums (what's left of them) and make your own decision. Thrill to the tales of people who never got access to the game they paid for. Wonder in awe at the tales of the quest, crafting and fame system not being implemented. And how massive is it? How does 30 people sound?
Here's a fun quote from Egomancer I found in the official forums "1. we decided to offer this 19.95$ price for the serial because the users that preodered complained that the game does not worth a full 40$-50$ price. So we made it. Now the same people are complaining that we dropped the prices. Note that the people that preordered are the only ones that have the game CD. Consder it a collecion object. And please decide what do you want? Full price or not" (spelling and grammar mistakes his not mine)
Wow, these guys really seem to have their act together! Sign me up! And if anyone wants to sell me one of those collector's item game CD's the sky is the limit!"

Harelin · June 2005

Originally posted by woris
I planned to quote every point from that post, but as it is so long, I gave up.
I have read it, and although the devs were late in many things, I don't think it makes Mourning a scam, or unethical business.
If you post a point that you believe makes M scam, I can tell how it probably isn't

Uh oh. Woris has arrived... 39 pages, 20+ threads and 6+ months later to teach us the error of ours ways.

Let's just give up now.

Bitey · June 2005

Not unethical, eh?

Spoonbender, Ex-Mod of Mourning on the US Publisher Dave(the same guy that loves to ban and post IPs):

I have given up on this game, for a lot of reasons. I know a lot of
people respect me, and my word carries a lot of weight. i cant support this game. I dont want to be the reason countless people buy the game

Let me be absolutely clear on a few points though. There is a game. Its not yet ready for release, but the devs are working their asses off because they want the game to succeed. This is not why I give up. In fact, the devs are the main reason Ive stayed on for so long. Because I like them and trust them, and because I thought they deserved this chance.

But how can a game succeed when the US publisher is the biggest jerk on the face of the planet? A man who has no respect for rules, even when theyre his own, and even less respect for his own customers, and less still for the people trying to work with him?

Ive spent months now, trying to keep people from leaving the community in disgust every time that man opened his mouth. I cant keep up with this level of superhuman stupidity and incompetence.

As a community member, I have to deal with him pissing us all off with arrogant and offensive remarks. I have to deal with this kind of person being in charge of a game Im interested in. I dont trust him to hire decent GMs. I dont trust him to buy decent servers. I dont trust him to fund the development long enough to get the game to a playable state.

As a beta tester, Im still tied by the NDA, and I respect that, for the devs sake. But I can say that you should all be glad youre not testers, because then youd have to put up with even more of Daves crap. You saw what happened with the videos. Some of us get permission to post screenshots and videos, and when we do, he insult us, and tell us not to post any more of either.

As a moderator? Well, dont even get me started. Again, I cant and wont give you any details, because unlike Dave, I have a minimum of respect for rules. But lets just say that if we could, and I speak for *every* mod here, and a few of the devs, we would have banned him countless times already.

And lets just say that you are extremely lucky you dont have to deal with him on the moderators board. Weve always tried to compensate for his incompetence, apologize when he did something stupid, and in general, try to help people deal with the fact of having him in charge. In return, we just have to put up with more crap. We have to put up with personal abuse, general insults, with the fact that the one person who most deserves a ban is outside the rules.

We have to put up with him changing the rules on the forum with no prior notice to us. We have to put up with him randomly deleting threads he doesnt like. We have to put up with him making a new account every week. We have to put up with him deleting an entire subforum for no particular reason, and without ever giving an explanation. We have to deal with him banning people (and moderators), and occasionally even deleting their account completely. We have to put up with being told that we simply dont matter.

A lot of you have asked why I havent preordered. My answer has always been that I never preorder a MMO. That is true, but its not the full story. The other part of it is that the way things are going now, its not worth preordering. Not because the devs intend to s-c-a-m you, or because the game doesnt exist, or because the CC handling company is a registered spammer, or any of the other crazy conspiracy theories that are floating around.

Simply because the man in chargeof the American release (which is the only one you can preorder) is the most incompetent publisher Ive ever seen.

To summarize:

You probably all know how big a part of a MMO customer service and GMs play. And guess whos in charge of this. You also know how important it is that the devs are given time to develop the game. Guess who makes this decision as well. Youve seen the screenshots and the movies. Make up your own mind on what they show, what they dont show, how they show it, and what it means for the game.

Youve seen their estimates on how many people to invite to beta, and how long it should run for. Compare that to how other games run their beta, and make up your own mind on what that means for the game.

So, in closing, Ill just ask you all to consider this game from an objective point of view. Forget the conspiracy theories. Forget the blind fanboyism and forget the people who want to flame the game. Stick to what you know. Stick to the available screenshots and movies, the info available from devs, the way they keep their promises, the way the publisher acts, the way the community is treated.

Then ask yourself this: Is it worth waiting for? Is it worth preordering?

I know its not worth it for me. It sucks, because the devs are good people, and the ideas behind the game are good. But I dont believe they can pull it off while Dave is involved with the project. And for that reason, they shouldnt count on my support any more. If, as Dave says, we moderators arent important, then theres no harm in me telling everyone why I dont believe in the game. The man in charge has told me nothing I do matters.

Im just sorry I led so many of you into giving this a second, third or twentieth chance when it clearly doesnt deserve it. And Im sorry for the devs who have their dream game tied up on a person like this.

Finally, I suppose I should just mention that I am completely serious in the above. I am not using all this as some kind of threat to get Admini to get his act together, because I dont believe for a second it will happen. I dont trust him to be able to do anything like that.

It is simply what it appears to be, a warning to the community. A warning from someone whos been here longer than most, and had to put up with more than most.

Important edit: (A bit of clarification):

Im not saying the game is doomed. I am saying that I believe it to be doomed, in the US, at least. Not the I believe part. Its up to each of you to decide what you believe.

Bitey · June 2005

Or lets look at the treatment of customers. Chat log- from: http://plaguelands.com/?p=12

cothyso = Dan Antonescu (Man of Many Hats or Lead Dev of Mourning)

05:04] cothyso> theres 6 am in the morning in here
[05:04] cothyso> but i nevertheless must do this
[05:04] cothyso> as we are getting sick with the mess which our boards tends to transform into
[05:04] cothyso> oh, and btw
[05:05] spoon |Sick> In case anyone is in doubt, thats ado speaking btw
[05:05] cothyso> for the ones who dont know, i am dan antonescu, aka tiamat and adonys, mournings lead designer. community m,anager and public relations manager
[05:05] * cothyso slaps Spoon|Sick around a bit with a large trout
[05:06] cothyso> now
[05:06] cothyso> firstly, and exactly how i was saying in the opening text for that thread
[05:06] cothyso> ALL the bans in there are for BAD language
[05:06] cothyso> and a few for other things
[05:07] cothyso> and when its coming about the rules, the bad language one will be folloed to the letter of that law these days, until well get rid of all the people which cant keep their nerves and bad language in their own homes
[05:08] cothyso> we dont need them, and im sure none of the other board memebers do
[05:09] cothyso> that board is not a place in which we should do endless talking about how stupid one is, why other games sucks, why mourning is a ****, why the ones saying that are pricks and so on
[05:09] cothyso> that board is a place in which we should talk about the CONTENT and the CONCEPT of the game
[05:09] cothyso> now
[05:10] cothyso> the second matter is that the bans you all saw are in absolutely NO way comeplte
[05:10] cothyso> ie i didnt banned every single bit of posts which diserve it
[05:10] cothyso> i cant lose weeks from my time to scan all the boards and find them
[05:11] cothyso> i have a lot more work to do regarding the game, than cleaning up the mess on the boards
[05:11] cothyso> i just banned all the ones (and YES, some are forced exactly to be examples of how far I am willing to go regarding banning bad language posts)
[05:12] cothyso> ive encountered during the last hours i was browsing the boards
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[05:12] cothyso> the 3rd point is that these nas were meant to be exceptional, not counting as temp bans and much shgorter
[05:13] cothyso> again to make it clear they are just examples and a prove we are willing to enforce our rules
[05:13] cothyso> so
[05:13] cothyso> i am here to discuss with you the reasons for each ban
[05:13] *** Mode change -m for channel #realmsoftorment by cothyso
[05:14] sabbie |Laptop> By that explanation I assume that you count abbrevations as WTF as banneble crimes aswell?
[05:14] cothyso> yes
[05:14] sabbie |Laptop> allright, that figures
[05:14] cothyso> because WTf is a short form of what the ****
[05:14] cothyso> which IS offensive language
[05:15] cothyso> and anyone else stating that they are suing it as abreviations for anything else are just insulting our intelligence
[05:15] cothyso> using even
[05:16] sabbie |Laptop> I know, but its just so common that people tent to read over it, (at least I do,) which created some confusion why some people where banned
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[05:16] spoon |Sick> Hey Natty
[05:16] zymurgeist> Ok Ive used the expression freaking before how thin is the ice on that?
[05:16] nattydread> ello Spoonie
[05:16] spoon |Sick> History repeating, eh?
[05:16] jdodger> hell be an admin next
[05:16] cothyso> ok, ill take them one by one
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[05:17] cothyso> apoxy
[05:17] cothyso> for although it was rude banning him would be complete assinine
[05:17] cothyso> thats 2nd for using the word assinine
[05:18] cothyso> and 6th as he was saying it to one of our mods
[05:18] cothyso> derap34
[05:18] cothyso> for which sucks
[05:19] cothyso> thats 2nd
[05:19] cothyso> rule even
[05:19] cothyso> Gauge
[05:19] cothyso> for Amen brother say it loud.
[05:20] cothyso> thats 8th (posting right after a flaming post without reporting it)
[05:21] cothyso> and 3rd as he agreed with the flaming posters oppinion
[05:21] cothyso> which btw was pls die
[05:21] cothyso> which is offensive and bad language
[05:21] cothyso>
[05:21] cothyso> Grunch/Helga/MourningSucks/wester
[05:22] cothyso> well, i guess theres no more explanations needed for this one
[05:22] cothyso> we do have his IP, well trace it and ask the ISP to identify the user for us, then sue him for harrasing
[05:22] cothyso>
[05:22] cothyso> Havikk
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[05:23] cothyso> for SONY BITES
[05:23] cothyso> thats 2nd and 7th rules
[05:23] cothyso> i know what bites mean and again, by claiming that is an OK word will just insult our intelligence
[05:24] cothyso> there area many words which arent offensive at all, but can become VERY offensive when used in certain manners
[05:24] cothyso> and this was exactly the case with this bites
[05:24] cothyso> which is a slang for suck
[05:25] cothyso>
[05:25] cothyso> wh
[05:25] cothyso> Hundertbert
[05:25] cothyso> wtf
[05:25] cothyso> 2nd rule
[05:25] cothyso>
[05:25] cothyso> kt3946
[05:26] cothyso> STFU
[05:26]cothyso> the same
[05:26] cothyso>
[05:26] cothyso> Methusla
[05:26] cothyso> Plz die
[05:26] cothyso> 7th rule
[05:27] cothyso> (ie offending another board member)
[05:27] cothyso>
[05:27] cothyso> mmoplaya
[05:27] cothyso> Great. More hogwash and delays. ooooooo, Im so impressed maybe a new screenshot or two. OMFG. Amazing. Months of waiting and what a reward? Can we maybe get that screenshot by the 2/25 promised release date? Doubtful i know.
[05:27] cothyso> Maybe more news early this week as promised, maybe next week or the week thereafter. hell sometime
[05:27] cothyso> This is truly great news
[05:27] cothyso> What a $%^^**( %7*&&8$ !!!
[05:27] cothyso>
[05:28] cothyso> 2nd and 7th
[05:28] cothyso> 2nd and 6th actually, sorry
[05:28] cothyso> (bad language, offending a mod = me)
[05:28] cothyso>
[05:28] cothyso> Nattydread
[05:29] cothyso> for posting right after a bad language flaming post without banning the user
[05:29] cothyso> btw, hy natty
[05:29] * cothyso slaps Nattydread around a bit with a large trout
[05:30] cothyso> (it was about the burn in flames one, started by Thornwill
[05:30] cothyso> and followed by Gauge)
[05:30] cothyso>
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[05:30] cothyso> Odlose
[05:31] cothyso> 8th rule, ie posting right after the pls die post without reporting it
[05:32] cothyso> someone asked how can users know what is bad language and what is not?
[05:32] cothyso> demanding definitions and so on
[05:32] cothyso> there are NO definitions for common sense
[05:32] cothyso> you just know what it is, or not
[05:32] cothyso> and by no means pls die can be considered nice talking
[05:33] cothyso> and by nort reporting it, he broke the 8th rule
[05:33] cothyso> which btw is in there to HELP us keep the boards clen by flames
[05:33] cothyso> without having me nad our mods to spend 24/24 on them
[05:34] cothyso> also
[05:34] cothyso> pooer Odlose is the ONLY forced example amongst those bans
[05:34] cothyso> poor even
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[05:34] cothyso> he was just the first one ive find out breaking the 8th rule
[05:35] cothyso> and used him as an example
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[05:36] cothyso> the other 8th rule breakers diserved to ban due to other reasons too (Gauge for agreeing with the conent of previous unreported flaming post)
[05:36] cothyso> and natty because he didnt did his mod job PP
[05:36] spoon |Sick> [05:32] good to see I was banned for being a slacker and not a jerk for once..
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[05:36] cothyso> it was just bad luck for odlose
[05:37] cothyso>
[05:37] cothyso>
[05:37] cothyso> Pops
[05:37] cothyso> for Now, was this the Big Announcement or just a small pre Big Announcement announcement?
[05:37] cothyso> Or has the Big Announcement been delayed again? If so, could we have an announcement about this?
[05:37] cothyso>
[05:37] cothyso> which was making me, ie offending = 6th rule
[05:37] cothyso> mocking me even
[05:38] *** Arcarius (rotchat@port648.ds1-van.adsl.cybercity.dk) has joined channel #realmsoftorment
[05:38] cothyso> (beeing disrespectful)
[05:38] spoon |Sick> Are we done soon? Would like to post the log and head to bed
[05:39] * cothyso slaps Spoon|Sick around a bit with a large trout
[05:39] spoon |Sick> ow
[05:39] spoon |Sick> Hey, thats disrespecting a mod
[05:39] spoon |Sick> A sick mod even
[05:39] cothyso> well, is 6 am in here, i want to go to my bed too, specially as i must be up at 9 to go to work
[05:39] spoon |Sick> ouch
[05:40] cothyso> lastly
[05:40] cothyso> Thornwill
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[05:41] cothyso> for just overall dimwitted unskilled bufoons
[05:42] cothyso> when he was talking referring to SWGs devs
[05:42] cothyso> how do you think a community which ahs members spekaing like that about other games devs looks like?!!
[05:42] cothyso> that;s how do you want Mournings community to be looked at?
[05:43] cothyso> a bunch of mindless fanbois which are trashing all the games around?
[05:43] cothyso> if you want to be respected, learn to respect first
[05:43] cothyso>
[05:43] cothyso> thats pretty much of it

Shrubber · June 2005

All I can say is Ouch to woris-

ste2000 · June 2005

[05:42] cothyso> how do you think a community which ahs members spekaing like that about other games devs looks like?!!
[05:42] cothyso> that;s how do you want Mournings community to be looked at?
[05:43] cothyso> a bunch of mindless fanbois which are trashing all the games around?
[05:43] cothyso> if you want to be respected, learn to respect first

Respect ??????????????????
You mean respect as in charging $30 for preorders and then only $20 after release?
Respect as in charging people twice and not being able to apologise once?
Respect as in keep treating their own fanbase like children?
Wait........respect as in publishing IP addresses and personal details? (which is illegal, and you could get sued for it, lucky you that you live in Romania and international law doesn't apply there)
Or maybe you mean respect as in selling a game as finished, while it is still in early Beta?

Mhhh...........so, lemme think, saying "WTF happened to my money? I ve been charged twice" it s offensive. But letting people pay 20 bucks for a beta (without warning them first) is fine.

Yes that makes people respect Mourning and the Devs.
Now I see the light. You are the Messiah and we are just a bunch of fools.

World calls Dan Antonescu, please answer.............hello..............is there anyone in there?

/President Bush to Nasa: "Please send a shuttle to planet Dan Antonescu, it is vital that we bring back this guy to planet earth, for his own security, before he gets sucked into the galaxy of hypocrisy".

PS: I hope I don't get banned for taking the piss out of a Moderator...........forgive me.........

Bitey · June 2005

Originally posted by ste2000

[05:42] cothyso> how do you think a community which ahs members spekaing like that about other games devs looks like?!!
[05:42] cothyso> that;s how do you want Mournings community to be looked at?
[05:43] cothyso> a bunch of mindless fanbois which are trashing all the games around?
[05:43] cothyso> if you want to be respected, learn to respect first

Respect ??????????????????
You mean respect as in charging $30 for preorders and then only $20 after release?
Respect as in charging people twice and not being able to apologise once?
Respect as in keep treating their own fanbase like children?
Wait........respect as in publishing IP addresses and personal details? (which is illegal, and you could get sued for it, lucky you that you live in Romania and international law doesn't apply there)
Or maybe you mean respect as in selling a game as finished, while it is still in early Beta?

Mhhh...........so, lemme think, saying "WTF happened to my money? I ve been charged twice" it s offensive. But letting people pay 20 bucks for a beta (without warning them first) is fine.

Yes that makes people respect Mourning and the Devs.
Now I see the light. You are the Messiah and we are just a bunch of fools.

World calls Dan Antonescu, please answer.............hello..............is there anyone in there?

/President Bush to Nasa: "Please send a shuttle to planet Dan Antonescu, it is vital that we bring back this guy to planet earth, for his own security, before he gets sucked into the galaxy of hypocrisy".

PS: I hope I don't get banned for taking the piss out of a Moderator...........forgive me.........

lol- I think we have a mix of a 6th and 8th rule ban for this post.

Thanks,

Sporn · June 2005

Since they are so IP ban happy including mine. I have decided to go to the public internet connections and start reposting and letting them ban IP's that lots of people use. Funny thing is you don't have to be rude ignorant or say bad words to get banned there just speak out in anyway that they feel is wrong and you are gone. They banned me and I still recieve there spam cause I can't acces my account. They also sent me know reasons for my ban and have not responded to any e-mails from me.

This game is horrid and so is all 6 of their playerbase.

Bitey · June 2005

I know this was brought up early, but is anyone want to help me with a Mourning Sucks blog/site? It would be a good refreshing alternative to the mourning board. Please post if you want to help

Harelin · June 2005

That'd be entertaining

I'd be willing to pitch in here and there... but I'm not sure if it's worth the trouble nowadays.

DerfelCadarn · June 2005

Originally posted by Sporn

Since they are so IP ban happy including mine. I have decided to go to the public internet connections and start reposting and letting them ban IP's that lots of people use. Funny thing is you don't have to be rude ignorant or say bad words to get banned there just speak out in anyway that they feel is wrong and you are gone. They banned me and I still recieve there spam cause I can't acces my account. They also sent me know reasons for my ban and have not responded to any e-mails from me.
This game is horrid and so is all 6 of their playerbase.

The thing above all that gets you a ban VERY QUICK is linking to this topic. Someone posted my thread after a noob asked "How is this game" and the noob said "OK- this is horrible, bye", and got a instant ban. They went further and banned the words "mmorpg.com". So if you post this link- use url redirect http://www.hotredirect.com/.

On another note, 400 replys!!!!!

Bitey · June 2005

This topic is pretty funny-

http://www.realmsoftorment.net/forums/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=20667

How interactive is the game world?

- Can't open doors or chest

- Cant take items off the ground

- No quests or interact with many of the NPCs

- Mod claims "Aye you can nearly not interact with the world at the time."

- nothing that you can interact with aside from a couple of NPC merchants

Edward78 · June 2005

I made the mistake of pre-ordering a few months back, the game sounded like it would be great. What a horrible letdown, the thing sucks. Besides all the bugs, the game looks so ugly, sucky graphics, & a big ugly GUI. I don't think I will ever pree-order a game again, online anyway. That is how they got people to pre-order promise a beta (alpha) acount.

Nattydread · June 2005

Originally posted by Sporn
Since they are so IP ban happy including mine. I have decided to go to the public internet connections and start reposting and letting them ban IP's that lots of people use. Funny thing is you don't have to be rude ignorant or say bad words to get banned there just speak out in anyway that they feel is wrong and you are gone. They banned me and I still recieve there spam cause I can't acces my account. They also sent me know reasons for my ban and have not responded to any e-mails from me.
This game is horrid and so is all 6 of their playerbase.

Sporn, I am not sure about your reason that you were banned. But there was a time on the boards that we were inundated by people from other boards flooding the site with raunchy links, pics, and constant tripe, so we were banning at will and trying to do what we could as mods to keep it clean. The other points about the game on this thread, well, I will not argue them. I have moved on from Mourning, and am pursuing other games of promise that I wish to spend my time and money on..... This will be the last time I post on the subject of Mourning, Peace! ::::20::

Shrubber · June 2005

Originally posted by Nattydread

Originally posted by Sporn
Since they are so IP ban happy including mine. I have decided to go to the public internet connections and start reposting and letting them ban IP's that lots of people use. Funny thing is you don't have to be rude ignorant or say bad words to get banned there just speak out in anyway that they feel is wrong and you are gone. They banned me and I still recieve there spam cause I can't acces my account. They also sent me know reasons for my ban and have not responded to any e-mails from me.
This game is horrid and so is all 6 of their playerbase.

Sporn, I am not sure about your reason that you were banned. But there was a time on the boards that we were inundated by people from other boards flooding the site with raunchy links, pics, and constant tripe, so we were banning at will and trying to do what we could as mods to keep it clean. The other points about the game on this thread, well, I will not argue them. I have moved on from Mourning, and am pursuing other games of promise that I wish to spend my time and money on..... This will be the last time I post on the subject of Mourning, Peace! ::::20::

Natty, Im not going to go in depth, but a few questions-

1) Why is the word "mmorpg.com" filtered?

2) Why do "raunchy links" include this topic and somethingawful.com? Why do you get a instant ban for posting this topic or somethingawful?

3) Why are most threads releated with this topic deleted instead of moved. It was a old rule to move topics, but it seems that the mods deleted most of threads that this topic used as a source?

Elapsed · June 2005

It's their forum they can do whatever they want. If someone was bashing you on your own forum would you just let it go? Maybe for a little while, but when it starts getting repetitive I personally would just start deleting it all. (No I don't play Mourning)

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