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Mourning- Unethical Business and Horrid Game
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What amazes me is that there are still people playing mourning at all. I used to play SB, and I thought that 400-700 max online was VERY small and almost unplayable. Now I look and see that Mourning has between 8 and 20 max online, and I think how can you even play this game?
The better question is how does this game stay afloat with only a few subsribers(100 mabye?)?
My Theories:
1) The "programers", if we can them that, are labors from a government concentration camp. Get paid less then 2 dollars a week.
2) Nobody is at the Mourning office(basement) 2/3s of the time, and the game is part-time get rick quick sceme.
3) They are using 486s to host the servers
4) Fanboys are making massive donatotions, and making all the content themselves.
5) They are very very close to going-under.
I think the point of alot of Ste2000 points are
CommuGuru-
"I think his point was that he shelled out $20 for a game that is admittedly not ready for retail, yet there was no mention of this simple fact in any official advertising that most likely caught his attention originally, again, false advertising."
Trying to defend a point by subversion and deflection is slimy at best and downright fraudulent at worst. "Dave did that, Egomancer did this...I wasn't involved." If that's the case, shut your mouth and talk about what you do know and what you actually have done.
Check out these crazy paitings I made for mourning
http://artpad.art.com/?ihsigg1eo3a8
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By the way, I still seem to be getting spammed with Mourning emails... please fix your unsubscribe option, you've probably been blacklisted by plenty of ISP's already.
Well, the crusade continues and my friend dantufy was owned at his own game.
This has been asked by me 2/3 times now, each time after Ego or this other fellow has posted. They will never say anything about it because its such a obvious case of marketing fraud.
Look at official forums, not one mention of "pre-order"-40% off. Right now they paid more for some coaster since its was the beta client.
I said I was going to stop commenting!!!!
Peace...
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You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle,
You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot.
Now water can flow or it can crash!
Be water, my friend.
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I disagree Natty. Dave was merely a source of humor for his undermining the devs back in the day, deleting the occassional post without approval and such... he got his limelight when it came time to put up or shut up and ship the game, but prior to that all the attention was on the poor handling of the community by the devs. I view it as a culmination of efforts from both parties that has led them to such a dismal pile of... failure.
You probably have to log in the forum and goto your profile and uncheck the option for the news letter. I've been signed up since 2003 and I made sure to uncheck that option on the forums. I haven't recieved any email from them.
The problem is that egomancer is just as guility. He was the one that liked to threaten lawsuits againist everyone and there brother(mmorpg.com). Tiamat was a huge forum deleter, and you if you read derfel's log, you can see he was banning for rule #1 #2 #3.. and so on. He also was the one to post IP-address of personal enemies. This isn't the point though, they need to take responsiblity for their company, not just blame all on the publisher. The problem we have with the other group is that they are guility by association and they are being misleading and not answering direct questions.
Questions~ please don't be like the other mourning or ex-mourning people:
1 Why did you delete your mourning post that said "dantufy, you got thrown over(something to this extend), don't go to mmorpg.com"?
2 Can you answer any of the previous questions about the pre-order scandal and whether you believe Dave was responsible for this pre-billing?
3 Would you like to explain somethingawful.com or mmorpg.com scandals?
4 Dave, which alt accounts was he? Why did he hide and what is his new involvement with mourning?
Thanks
You probably have to log in the forum and goto your profile and uncheck the option for the news letter. I've been signed up since 2003 and I made sure to uncheck that option on the forums. I haven't recieved any email from them.
Thanks. I'll take a look.
If the devs knew nothing of the billing and do not focus on that aspect of the company then I would like somthings explained to help me better understand the plight of the Mourning development team.
Why exactly was everyone billed ego said it had to be done.... somthing about limit of our competence?
This clearly goes against the story of the billing company just billed on it's own. If you knew the charges were coming that means someone decided on the Mourning side to do so. Also if your team is not limitless horizons and have nothing to do with that part of the game why is ego handling refund issues is he an employee of the limitless horizons or the billing company?
So what exactly happened why was the game shipped in it's state and why was there a scramble to throw a box together and ship it, to avoid legal issues? Again if this wasnt your guys fault so mebe you could help us pont the finger in the right direction.
Finally why can't you cut ties with limitless horizons since im sure there activites being ileagal may be contract breaking and you may be able to free yourselfs from this bad nightmare?
Really just try being honest and tell us all the truth, cause so much doesnt make any sense and it makes you all look bad.
Dan is wanted for scamming!!
http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/bc/42a7c818_ef6a/bc/My+Documents/Dan+WAnted2.doc?bf4y8pCB2KAYCZZB
I have all the same questions. 0 of the mourning devs/mods can give me or anyone else an answer. Danrty was just outwitted in his game of misleading and off-topic answers, and he gave no answers.
And Ste2000, your not the only one that thinks that Mourning needs a "Game is still in Beta" on fileplanet.
http://www.realmsoftorment.net/forums/showthread.php3?s=b7c761fae6d784398c515c5b229d9483&threadid=20731&perpage=15&pagenumber=2
Quote:
Originally posted by CommGuru
I think his point was that he shelled out $20 for a game that is admittedly not ready for retail, yet there was no mention of this simple fact in any official advertising that most likely caught his attention originally, again, false advertising.
Yes, that is my point.
If somewhere on the front page where it says "Play Now!", it was stated that this game was in beta, I would have researched a bit more into whether or not I would be willing to pay to try it out.
I spent several days back in February and March reading through these forums, trying to get some idea of what the game was about, even though I knew it was in beta at the time.
When I saw a link to the game on the front page of the site yesterday, I assumed that it was a finished product.
Nowhere on that page does it say otherwise.
I thought that finally this game had been taken out of beta testing, so I decided to give it a shot.
ROT needs to put up a note on the front page stating that the game is still in beta stage, so that people can be aware of this before they buy.
There should be no requirement for people to have to search through forums so as to determine if a game is in retail stage, beta stage, alpha, whatever.
It should be clearly stated - especially if people are payi
Wow, this was one LONG read, but it sounds to me like these guys are reincarnations of Satan or something. I did a little bit of my own research, and it seems nearly everything stated here was true. Glad I read the article, now I have an official "worst game ever" in my mind :-D
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...
I'm not sure what sounds worse...
Your description of the company, or the fact that hundreds of players actually paid money to play an alpha/beta.
What do you want us to say? Um...next time wait for the reviews before buying something.
The company doesn't sound stupid, just the opposite, they're using dumb people to fund development of their product.
Natty, you and Spoonbender were the most intelligent people in Mourning fanbase.
You wanted this game to succeed badly, but eventually you gave up, because you got fed up with the bad management and appalling behaviour of some devs.
You are a veteran of Mourning and you should know better than me that it is not just Dave that ruined this game, it is the inability of the devs to see and admits faults in the game and in their business practise.
The devs keep treating their own fanbase as kids (probably because they are), they try to hide the problems by deleting posts, and they try to dodge the issues by changing the subject or blaming someone else, and when they find someone that can actually point out effectively their faults they go on the defensive, by threatening to sue them.
Those guys have serious personality problem, they have a big ego, and cannot handle criticism adequately.
Now read all Dantufy replies and you tell me if this is the way to clarify or defend Mourning cause.
I agree, he didn't flame or offend anyone, but all his replies were plain vaporware.
He didn't answer any objection people has raised.
How on earth this game is going to get better when there is people like this that cannot sell their game, with good and pertinent arguments?
The fact that you and Spoon eventually abandoned the ship, says it all, people with a brain will stay well away from such a game and company.
Mourning is now counting only on the inexperience of kids and naivety of some grown ups, in order to sell few more copies of Mourning.
And that s the awful truth.
What you are going to do, throw the toys out of the pram?
You are just a funny guy, and I have pity of you.
Good luck with your game, because you relly need it........you and all the 5 players that still play that crap.
ste2000 pls
I'm not a child. but was so funny to see you guys in defence for the 1th time. and you came up with some fake emails as primary proves.
and about that Rules of Conduct thing
do you want me to quote all that was agaist me?
I came here . and in like 7-8 posts i aswered honestly to your problems ( dont give me the "your english sux thing" and say you didnt understood)
and you guys in desperate defense of your crusade start post fakes emails. (thats bad you know)
Anyway
i will step down from this discussion and let the mods here read all this thread and take apropiate actions agaist you.
/bow
nice talkin to ya
You post like a fanboy.
We are allowed to post this way, because we are frikking players, we don't have to be articulate and professional looking (you fail to see the difference).
You as a company rapresentative, need to be more polished with your answers, if you want to be taken seriously, but you are unable to do so.
And stop pretending that there is only one thing wrong with the game, read the first post of this thread, FFS!!!
With your replies you are just confirming how clueless and incompetent Mourning management is.
So stop making a fool of yourself before things get worse.
As I said before, if you were in Europe, you would get sued for your dodgy practices.
And none of your arguments will stand a chance against an European court, so stop kidding yourself.
That s the main point that you fail to understand my friend.
Please stop posting flamebaits, because I am really trying to behave myself.
I have to say, it's really sad that the Mourning devs come here to lie and troll. I particularly like dantufy's image, which appears to be a troll, because it describes exactly what they're doing.
I think what saddens me the most if the fact that none of them seem capable of typing coherent English. Seriously, how the hell do you misspell 1st as 1th? You guys might wanna stop worrying about programming code, and focus on the Hooked on Phonics program. I always thought moderators were supposed to be more intelligent than the people they monitor...but I guess you guys are living proof that I was indeed incorrect.
On a side note, none of the Mourning devs' word means a damn to me either. I looked at their "I've been banned" section, and it said "There has not been a post in this thread for the last 1000 days", which is complete and utter crap. That's really sickening to me that anyone would go that far to cover up their own tracks.
Poor grammar, quick-tempered, disorganized, and immature. How did you guys even get past high school?
Waiting for something fresh to arrive on the MMO scene...