most people dont hate the game, as such,,but swtor has polarized the playerbase more than any mmo
hardcores vs casuals
PVP vs PVE
subs vs F2P
and yes,,some of it will carry over, if they make another attempt
and if they do,,the next one will prolly be real cheap,,i dont think shareholders will go full out on the third strike
Hardcore vs. Casuals
Been around ever since WOW hit it big and brought the larger casual audience into MMOs. The hardcores get pissed every time a new thempark game gets released. Don't se how that can be contained.
It's because it feels counterintuitive that new technology brings fewer choices. With each new game the nice stuff gets more and more scarce. I think the reaction makes sense, there is a perceived loss.
PVP vs. PVE
Happens in every game I've ever played that offered PVP. The strict PVE folks think that they should never have to see PVP anywhere and also that every new update should be catered specifically to them. At least in TOR you don't have to hear jedi complaining about forced PVP just to roll the profession or bounty hunters complaining about god mode jedi.
I once watched a jedi hold off more than 6 bounty hunters out in front of the coronet star port It may have been unbalanced, but it sure was entertaining.
Subs vs. FTP
Haven't really noticed this one. I'v notived some folks on this site complaining that they can't play the entire game for free, but I don't notice these complaints in game.
Where this will show up is F2P being excluded fro things (guilds, raids, FPs). It won't be talked about, it will just happen (if it happens).
I borrowed your red text response style, in a complimentary manner of course.
most people dont hate the game, as such,,but swtor has polarized the playerbase more than any mmo
hardcores vs casuals
PVP vs PVE
subs vs F2P
and yes,,some of it will carry over, if they make another attempt
and if they do,,the next one will prolly be real cheap,,i dont think shareholders will go full out on the third strike
Hardcore vs. Casuals
Been around ever since WOW hit it big and brought the larger casual audience into MMOs. The hardcores get pissed every time a new thempark game gets released. Don't se how that can be contained.
It's because it feels counterintuitive that new technology brings fewer choices. With each new game the nice stuff gets more and more scarce. I think the reaction makes sense, there is a perceived loss.
PVP vs. PVE
Happens in every game I've ever played that offered PVP. The strict PVE folks think that they should never have to see PVP anywhere and also that every new update should be catered specifically to them. At least in TOR you don't have to hear jedi complaining about forced PVP just to roll the profession or bounty hunters complaining about god mode jedi.
I once watched a jedi hold off more than 6 bounty hunters out in front of the coronet star port It may have been unbalanced, but it sure was entertaining.
Subs vs. FTP
Haven't really noticed this one. I'v notived some folks on this site complaining that they can't play the entire game for free, but I don't notice these complaints in game.
Where this will show up is F2P being excluded fro things (guilds, raids, FPs). It won't be talked about, it will just happen (if it happens).
I borrowed your red text response style, in a complimentary manner of course.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
I didn't mind the god mode jedi back when they had to face perma death. That was why they were given the extra character slot in the first place.Those restrictions were in place because jedi were supposed to be rare in the time period that the game was set in. But once they removed perma death it completely unbalanced the game and destroyed PVP. Why go overt if you know that you're going to be destroyed in seconds by jedi gank squads? It was also an immersion killer when those guys would show up in Bestine while Vader was visiting and flash their sabers for all to see.
For all of TOR's faults with their PVP, at least when I show up to fight in a warzone I know that I won't have to deal with any "I WIn" classes. Some might be more strong than others, but there isn't one class in the game that can win a 1 vs 6 fight.
Originally posted by ktanner3 I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game.
as if this is the only game that you see this sort of behavior. people like you are the ones creating this so called "drama".
this is why the mmo forums here are a joke and opinions should never be taken serious.
not really trying to flame here so i will stop now before i get myself in trouble, so we will just lave it at that.
That isn't really fair.
The level of bullshit the likes of him have had to put up with because they enjoy this game and don't have issues as some others do has been pretty extreme over the months.
Can't really blame him for having that take. Especially considering the topic at hand.
The dude is no more to blame than anyone else. If anything he tends to be one of the more reasonable posters around here.
Even if he is wrong a lot :P
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Originally posted by ktanner3 I hope they never stop. It's amusing to see all this drama over a video game.
as if this is the only game that you see this sort of behavior. people like you are the ones creating this so called "drama".
this is why the mmo forums here are a joke and opinions should never be taken serious.
not really trying to flame here so i will stop now before i get myself in trouble, so we will just lave it at that.
All I read from this, is that "my game is being criticized!" !! "Therefore the whole forum is a joke." "Because I don't like or want any criticism for my game!"
"My game is perfect in any and every way. It can solve the energy crisis it's so good."
"Any forum that participates in dicussions of the negatives for my game is an immediate failure."
yup,,BW is learning the hard way, that they have to listen to PAYING CUSTOMERS
i think , their RPG success worked against them on this:
their normal games was more a la carte,,finish the product, and deliver it
mmos are more like a restaurant, you buy a place, hire staff, and when the first customers arrive, then the REAL work begins
with such a big budget, they should have spent some top $$ on a experienced leader from another big mmo
giving a big(and expensive) ship to a noob captain was a bad idea
PS even the legendary SirCopperfield is slacking,,his latest post barely made my Troll-o-meter twitch
and the latest Rolls Royce is fugly as...cant they make a decent loking car anymore?
this is the end of civilazation, as we know it
They had a ton of experienced people with years and years of working on MMOs working on SWTOR. They were all in high positions (Damion Schuber, Jeff Hickman, Dallas Dickinson (is he still around btw)) and they were all mostly fired.
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I borrowed your red text response style, in a complimentary manner of course.
Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011
less entitlement is the answer
hardcores are a proportionally small segment,,it makes NO sense for them to expect any big games catering to theim
its like a champion runner signing up for a kindergarten race, and expecting them to adjust the rules
thats the price of success,you cant hide in the crowd anymore
the funny thing is,,according to several posts, there are already successful hardcore mmos on the market
but ofcourse , they will never have the big budgets of casual games,,again swtor is a shining example
they spent a big budget on a hardcore game,,we can see the results now
they simply cant keep it up,,theyve already skipped the class story lines,,one of their biggest pillars
the huge PVP battles from the videos,,those will never happen again
if that is success,,i wouldnt like to see, what a failure is
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery
I didn't mind the god mode jedi back when they had to face perma death. That was why they were given the extra character slot in the first place.Those restrictions were in place because jedi were supposed to be rare in the time period that the game was set in. But once they removed perma death it completely unbalanced the game and destroyed PVP. Why go overt if you know that you're going to be destroyed in seconds by jedi gank squads? It was also an immersion killer when those guys would show up in Bestine while Vader was visiting and flash their sabers for all to see.
For all of TOR's faults with their PVP, at least when I show up to fight in a warzone I know that I won't have to deal with any "I WIn" classes. Some might be more strong than others, but there isn't one class in the game that can win a 1 vs 6 fight.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
interesting story,,but allowing all players to make a jedi didnt destroy PVP
it would actually make it fair for all, thereby removing your advantage
but im sure, when you were ganking other classes with your jedi, PVP was just fine , right?
as soon as the other guys got the same tools , as you,,that clearly broke the game
PVP logic at its finest
as long as they can farm easy medals,,PVP is great
fair fights= tons of whine posts, and wintrading
yes , PVP was prolly better before , simply because there were so few jedis
too few , to make a big difference
and as soon as you give that power to all players,,things just go wrong
and that is the best argument against OPVP
imagine how that would go with todays playerbase
even worse in a BIG game,,yes the wow community decayed a lot in quality , with the rising numbers
back in the good old days, the guild leaders was much better at keeping order
as if this is the only game that you see this sort of behavior. people like you are the ones creating this so called "drama".
this is why the mmo forums here are a joke and opinions should never be taken serious.
not really trying to flame here so i will stop now before i get myself in trouble, so we will just lave it at that.
a big drama, yes
HUGE IP, years of waiting, killing SWG to make room for this one
there are lots of reasons for the strong emotions, and we all know, what those do to your perception
any opinion should be counted as that,,as one amongst many
the biggest part of the playerbase never visit the forums,,the casuals
when they dont have fun in a game, they just unsub , and leave,,no farewell posts
and that was the first group, who dropped this game,,about a million in the first 3 months
reading forums would have given them a clue, but they ignored it
That isn't really fair.
The level of bullshit the likes of him have had to put up with because they enjoy this game and don't have issues as some others do has been pretty extreme over the months.
Can't really blame him for having that take. Especially considering the topic at hand.
The dude is no more to blame than anyone else. If anything he tends to be one of the more reasonable posters around here.
Even if he is wrong a lot :P
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
posting is a privilege, that our ancestors have fought and died for
or do you think, that they have many threads like this in north korea?
yes people are free to post their opinions,,from both sides
because, that is the only way to resolve any social problems,,through dialogue
so i can freely log into the battlefield site, and demand sparkling ponies and
unicorn stickers EVERYWHERE
should i do that?,,or look for a game , that already have those
PS i really miss the muppets show,,,why dont they make an mmo ?
kermit vs miss piggy in PVP,,think of the possiblities
All I read from this, is that "my game is being criticized!" !! "Therefore the whole forum is a joke." "Because I don't like or want any criticism for my game!"
"My game is perfect in any and every way. It can solve the energy crisis it's so good."
"Any forum that participates in dicussions of the negatives for my game is an immediate failure."
"I won't tolerate this, yet I keep coming back."
Want a nice understanding of life? Try Spirit Science: "The Human History"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8NNHmV3QPw&feature=plcp
Recognize the voice? Yep sounds like Penny Arcade's Extra Credits.
yup,,BW is learning the hard way, that they have to listen to PAYING CUSTOMERS
i think , their RPG success worked against them on this:
their normal games was more a la carte,,finish the product, and deliver it
mmos are more like a restaurant, you buy a place, hire staff, and when the first customers arrive, then the REAL work begins
with such a big budget, they should have spent some top $$ on a experienced leader from another big mmo
giving a big(and expensive) ship to a noob captain was a bad idea
PS even the legendary SirCopperfield is slacking,,his latest post barely made my Troll-o-meter twitch
and the latest Rolls Royce is fugly as...cant they make a decent loking car anymore?
this is the end of civilazation, as we know it
They had a ton of experienced people with years and years of working on MMOs working on SWTOR. They were all in high positions (Damion Schuber, Jeff Hickman, Dallas Dickinson (is he still around btw)) and they were all mostly fired.
i said big mmo,,as successful
that means headhunting from wow, aion or EVE
those guys were all on the warhammer team , right?
so putting them on the job would pretty much guarantee its failure
someone with their work record would normally go for ½ of a normal workers pay,,or get fired