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  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 3,030
    Originally posted by Hokibukisa
    Originally posted by Tamanous

    It is common to see a second kickstarter later too. This one will succeed obviously but there are many stages and hurdles to cross for CSE over the next 2+ years. Once the path is laid out financially for their basic goals I would think it likely to see another kickstarter devoted entired to stretch goals. Others have done it.

     

    Pledge rewards would change dramatically of course and the limited rewards now being the most valuable so if you got the cash ... spend it now!

    I wouldn't say obviously. The pledges per day are dropping and if they drop below the required trend, well obviously it will be trending toward failure.

    I simply base it upon (someone can correct me if I am totally wrong of course):

     

    1. They chose a 30 day period which is the most successful by metrics.

    2. The most money comes in initially, it slows and peaks once more near end at usually around 50% of the initial peak.

     

    The first day peak typically only less than 10-15% total pledge. This was around $500,000 to $750,000. The last rush could very easily be $250k to $500k over a 2 to 3 day stretch. The slow periods inbetween still average around 70% of the total earnings. So if the peak is over already (which it clearly is) and the end peak hits average estimates then at least 1 million is projected to only make up 30% of total pledges. To me this seems to be an easy success unless something dramatic happens that blows them out of the average kickstarter model especially popular 30 day durations.

     

     

    You stay sassy!

  • jandrsnjandrsn Member Posts: 187
    If this was sooooooo awesome, why not incorporate and sell stock? Seems like a great investment with lots of interest here. Federal regulation. That's why. Small things i can see, but a multi million dollar project, with zero control other than forums? How much of your kickstart will be payroll? Anyone know? Of course we don't, it's all private, throw cash in and maybe you can win, like a casino. Good luck.
  • TamanousTamanous Member RarePosts: 3,030
    Originally posted by jandrsn
    If this was sooooooo awesome, why not incorporate and sell stock? Seems like a great investment with lots of interest here. Federal regulation. That's why. Small things i can see, but a multi million dollar project, with zero control other than forums? How much of your kickstart will be payroll? Anyone know? Of course we don't, it's all private, throw cash in and maybe you can win, like a casino. Good luck.

    I think this comes down to educating yourself on how kickstarter works, how long it's been around, how many successful projects have spawned from it, how it allows indie companies to compete, etc.

     

    Also might want to look into the entire PBS system which has been around for decades.

    You stay sassy!

  • jandrsnjandrsn Member Posts: 187
    Originally posted by Tamanous

    Originally posted by jandrsn
    If this was sooooooo awesome, why not incorporate and sell stock? Seems like a great investment with lots of interest here. Federal regulation. That's why. Small things i can see, but a multi million dollar project, with zero control other than forums? How much of your kickstart will be payroll? Anyone know? Of course we don't, it's all private, throw cash in and maybe you can win, like a casino. Good luck.

    I think this comes down to educating yourself on how kickstarter works, how long it's been around, how many successful projects have spawned from it, how it allows indie companies to compete, etc.

     

    Also might want to look into the entire PBS system which has been around for decades.

     

    pbs is actually a 'public' entity, you can see their books if you dig . Plus, now that it's common knowledge, let's sit back and watch the success rate drop as hucksters enter the 'market'.
  • ZinzanZinzan Member UncommonPosts: 1,351
    Originally posted by Tamanous

    It is common to see a second kickstarter later too. This one will succeed obviously but there are many stages and hurdles to cross for CSE over the next 2+ years. Once the path is laid out financially for their basic goals I would think it likely to see another kickstarter devoted entired to stretch goals. Others have done it.

     

    Pledge rewards would change dramatically of course and the limited rewards now being the most valuable so if you got the cash ... spend it now!

    Obviously? You mean hopefully surely? Currently they really aren't doing as we'll as many thought they would and its entirely possible CU fails to hit its target.

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  • fanglofanglo Member UncommonPosts: 314
    Originally posted by Zinzan
    Originally posted by Tamanous

    It is common to see a second kickstarter later too. This one will succeed obviously but there are many stages and hurdles to cross for CSE over the next 2+ years. Once the path is laid out financially for their basic goals I would think it likely to see another kickstarter devoted entired to stretch goals. Others have done it.

     

    Pledge rewards would change dramatically of course and the limited rewards now being the most valuable so if you got the cash ... spend it now!

    Obviously? You mean hopefully surely? Currently they really aren't doing as we'll as many thought they would and its entirely possible CU fails to hit its target.

    My current estimates put CU somewhere between 1.5 mil and 3.5 mil. The key is the lower tiers selling out. The lack of action on the $25 and $50 tiers are quite concerning.  Remember the sooner they get the goal, the sooner they can start pushing for stretch goals. Ideally we don't want to just fund the game but reach as many stretch goals as possible so this game is even more awesome. 

    More than likely CU will get 1mil by sunday and hopefully 2 mil by the 21'st leaving the last week for all the stretch goals.

    I healed Mistwraith and all I got was this stupid tee-shirt!

  • SoMuchMassSoMuchMass Member Posts: 548
    I am curious to see how Shroud of the Avatar ends.  If Shourd hits about 1.8 million it is a good sign for CU, because so far CU is pacing ahead of Shroud.
  • AnthurAnthur Member UncommonPosts: 961
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    I am curious to see how Shroud of the Avatar ends.  If Shourd hits about 1.8 million it is a good sign for CU, because so far CU is pacing ahead of Shroud.

    Actually CU is doing worse than Shroud so far. Shroud had about 40 % of the total amount (only 1 million) at first day. CU only about 28 % as they aim for 2 millions. Compared it to other projects of that size and CU is more heading towards 1.2 mill, maybe 1.5 if you are very optimistic.

    But that's of course just a guess. I wish CU kickstarter all the best. Not because I like it (sorry, no PvE killed it for me and there is not enough real info, words alone don't do it for me) but because the CU fans are so enthusiastic and really want this game. I hope it works out for them. Good luck !

  • BeansnBreadBeansnBread Member EpicPosts: 7,254
    Originally posted by Anthur
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    I am curious to see how Shroud of the Avatar ends.  If Shourd hits about 1.8 million it is a good sign for CU, because so far CU is pacing ahead of Shroud.

    Actually CU is doing worse than Shroud so far. Shroud had about 40 % of the total amount (only 1 million) at first day. CU only about 28 % as they aim for 2 millions. Compared it to other projects of that size and CU is more heading towards 1.2 mill, may 1.5 if you are very optimistic.

    But that's of course just a guess. I wish CU kickstarter all the best. Not because I like it (sorry, no PvE killed it for me and there is not enough real info, words alone don't do it for me) but because the CU fans are so enthusiastic and really want this game. I hope it works out for them. Good luck !

    Yeah, when I look at these two graphs, I get nervous.

    http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained/#chart-daily

    http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/portalarium/shroud-of-the-avatar-forsaken-virtues-0/#chart-daily

     

    Camelot Unchained

    Day 1 - $550,185 (Excellent first day)

    Day 2 - $156,171

    Day 3 - $82,082

     

    Shroud of the Avatar

     

    Day 1 - $410,861

    Day 2 - $169,482

    Day 3 - $101,802

     

    I think the weekend will skew Camelot's situation in a better light though. Shroud came out on a Friday and so had a weekend for the first 3 days. This may have been a good idea for Camelot as well.

     

    One other thing to note though is that Shroud had more than twice the number of backers in the first three days. Maybe Camelot needs to do something to attract more people to the lower tiers.

  • PhryPhry Member LegendaryPosts: 11,004
    Originally posted by Anthur
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    I am curious to see how Shroud of the Avatar ends.  If Shourd hits about 1.8 million it is a good sign for CU, because so far CU is pacing ahead of Shroud.

    Actually CU is doing worse than Shroud so far. Shroud had about 40 % of the total amount (only 1 million) at first day. CU only about 28 % as they aim for 2 millions. Compared it to other projects of that size and CU is more heading towards 1.2 mill, maybe 1.5 if you are very optimistic.

    But that's of course just a guess. I wish CU kickstarter all the best. Not because I like it (sorry, no PvE killed it for me and there is not enough real info, words alone don't do it for me) but because the CU fans are so enthusiastic and really want this game. I hope it works out for them. Good luck !

    same tbh, but have to say, if they can't hit at least 1.5m in the first 2 weeks then the chances of them hitting 2m over a 4 week period is more than a little unlikely. Be interesting to see how it fares really, as it would indicate a far greater number of players are interested in solely PVP MMO's than i thought there were image

  • SorninSornin Member Posts: 1,133
    Originally posted by Phry
    Originally posted by Anthur
    Originally posted by SoMuchMass
    I am curious to see how Shroud of the Avatar ends.  If Shourd hits about 1.8 million it is a good sign for CU, because so far CU is pacing ahead of Shroud.

    Actually CU is doing worse than Shroud so far. Shroud had about 40 % of the total amount (only 1 million) at first day. CU only about 28 % as they aim for 2 millions. Compared it to other projects of that size and CU is more heading towards 1.2 mill, maybe 1.5 if you are very optimistic.

    But that's of course just a guess. I wish CU kickstarter all the best. Not because I like it (sorry, no PvE killed it for me and there is not enough real info, words alone don't do it for me) but because the CU fans are so enthusiastic and really want this game. I hope it works out for them. Good luck !

    same tbh, but have to say, if they can't hit at least 1.5m in the first 2 weeks then the chances of them hitting 2m over a 4 week period is more than a little unlikely. Be interesting to see how it fares really, as it would indicate a far greater number of players are interested in solely PVP MMO's than i thought there were image

    I am cautiously optimistic, and I agree CU has a long way to go. One thing that does give me some reassurance is that there will be a lot of backers invested in this and a lot of pledges made in another few weeks, and if push comes to shove, and it is getting near the end, some may raise their pledges a ton just to see it happen.

    Note: I did say "some" and "may" - I have no illusions this may not be the case, and do not count on this at all. I know many have pitched in the most they want to now, and some are not emotionally invested enough to care enough to raise their pledge if it looks like it will fail.

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  • fanglofanglo Member UncommonPosts: 314
    I'd be willing to throw in another $50 to help see this thing come to light. 

    I healed Mistwraith and all I got was this stupid tee-shirt!

  • EllyaEllya Member Posts: 99
    Originally posted by fanglo
    I'd be willing to throw in another $50 to help see this thing come to light. 

    If all the 5000 or so current backers did that, we'd have over 250k added :)

  • ArcherBullseyeArcherBullseye Member Posts: 77
    Bump.. glad to see CU hit its mark today!

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  • fanglofanglo Member UncommonPosts: 314
    It looks like 3 tiers might sell out this week, the 5000 island tier and the 110 tier an the 180 tier. Next week I think the 250 and 1000 tier will sell out too. Also towards the end I see the 25 and 50 tiers selling out.

    I healed Mistwraith and all I got was this stupid tee-shirt!

  • ArcherBullseyeArcherBullseye Member Posts: 77
    Originally posted by fanglo

    It looks like 3 tiers might sell out this week, the 5000 island tier and the 110 tier an the 180 tier. Next week I think the 250 and 1000 tier will sell out too. Also towards the end I see the 25 and 50 tiers selling out.

     


    I guess I will need to decide sooner rather then later if I want a $250 all digital tier.. keeping an eye.

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  • SorninSornin Member Posts: 1,133
    Originally posted by ArcherBullseye
    Originally posted by fanglo
    It looks like 3 tiers might sell out this week, the 5000 island tier and the 110 tier an the 180 tier. Next week I think the 250 and 1000 tier will sell out too. Also towards the end I see the 25 and 50 tiers selling out.

     

    I guess I will need to decide sooner rather then later if I want a $250 all digital tier.. keeping an eye.

    Oh, you want it. You may not know it yet, but deep down, in your heart of hearts, you want it. ;)

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  • ArcherBullseyeArcherBullseye Member Posts: 77
    Originally posted by Sornin

    Originally posted by ArcherBullseye
    Originally posted by fanglo
    It looks like 3 tiers might sell out this week, the 5000 island tier and the 110 tier an the 180 tier. Next week I think the 250 and 1000 tier will sell out too. Also towards the end I see the 25 and 50 tiers selling out.

     

    I guess I will need to decide sooner rather then later if I want a $250 all digital tier.. keeping an eye.

    Oh, you want it. You may not know it yet, but deep down, in your heart of hearts, you want it. ;)

     


    oh I want it.. but I have a baby on the way and just had to throw down 3k for a furnace so im trying to prioritize my spending.. That and convince my wife she would want to play with me.

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  • zekuelzekuel Member UncommonPosts: 39
    The amount of funding needed per/hour of the remaining time is still trending downward so I would say it is still in good shape. Even if the amount per day keeps trending down we will see a surge at the end. I think we need about $1800/hour right now; about 43,000 per day.
  • AdorianBladeAdorianBlade Member Posts: 62
    Somone had posted some kickstarter stats in another thread, most succesfully funded KS tend to be heavy at first middling in the middle and a big rush at the end, if that is the case we should expect this game to fund if not it will be interesting to see what happens, i know i can put another 50 in and i might but the extra FP's are a bit overpriced atm.
  • redcappredcapp Member Posts: 722
    Mark brings up a good point in the latest update video.  Good amount of money raised so far, but not a crazy amount of total backers. 
  • RefMinorRefMinor Member UncommonPosts: 3,452

    From the Kickstarters I have watched, you see an initial flurry, then a slow and steady trickle followed by a smaller than the initial flurry towards the end.

    You also see people pulling out of the higher tier pledges towards the end (probably people just posting the $500 pledge to show support but not intending to complete).

    This may be an issue for CU as they have a higher than usual percentage of high pledges (2x shroud of the avatar, 2.5x elite, 2.5x star citizen.) so with its smaller more highly pledged backers, any pulling out will have a disproportionate effect.

    Not wanting to rain on the parade, but I would rate it as touch and go.

  • fxfighterfxfighter Member UncommonPosts: 3

    No need for guessing on stats, there is already a site that gives you most of the stats you'd want for kickstarters.

    Here is the one showing what CU needs to succeed - http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained/#chart-mini

    Compare the current trend with Star Citizen which raised around 2 mil: 

    http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/cig/star-citizen/#chart-daily

    http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained/#chart-daily

  • SorninSornin Member Posts: 1,133
    Originally posted by RefMinor

    From the Kickstarters I have watched, you see an initial flurry, then a slow and steady trickle followed by a smaller than the initial flurry towards the end.

    You also see people pulling out of the higher tier pledges towards the end (probably people just posting the $500 pledge to show support but not intending to complete).

    This may be an issue for CU as they have a higher than usual percentage of high pledges (2x shroud of the avatar, 2.5x elite, 2.5x star citizen.) so with its smaller more highly pledged backers, any pulling out will have a disproportionate effect.

    Not wanting to rain on the parade, but I would rate it as touch and go.

    RefMinor is correct; we have already seen a couple $5,000 backers "back out," and that really hits the total hard given that many hours see the pledge total rise barely $1,000 now, sometimes less.

    This Kickstarter campaign is still very much touch and go, and I would not rely on anything more than perhaps $500,000 in the last week, and even that may be optimistic. That means CU needs to just about double what it has now in the next 2.5 weeks, and most campaigns with a large initial burst do not tend to do that. It is goes from a torrent, to a flood, to a trickle, and back to a flood again.

    The average pledge right now is $159, which is great, but the number of backers is ridiculously low. CSE needs to find a way to:

    1. Reach out to potential backers

    2. Convince them to pledge

    CSE needs to get large sites interesting in providing some coverage, perhaps with exclusive interviews, updates, etc. These large sites love getting exclusives that drive hits and ad impressions to their sites. Promise them that, and they may give a link to the campaign, reaching tens of thousands.

    I want to see the average pledge drop significantly to something more sustainable, like $100, and the number of backers rise substantially, to 1,000+ per day, chipping in $50 or so each.

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  • BaltoBroBaltoBro Member Posts: 48
    Game won't have PvE? I don't mind this but I think the project would have more backers if MJ states PvE will be in-game. I think the Kickstarter will fail. $2 million was too much for such a niche project. I think if this game is ever released, it would be out by 2016.
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