ppl must be so naive to think cosmetics stuff and minor boost can support a MMO. Items that can be easily avoided by most players. Just buy a bag or two. Then what? Play for free forever? DREAM ON.
There is nothing wrong with neverwinter. There are many free alternatives to progress and acquire stuff in the game. You are not force to buy anything. You are just jealous of ppl who are willing to pay for the extra convenience and time saving.
Think I should start to 'boycott' threads that I know will contain crying and sniffeling.. but embrace the F2P/B2P model or just play single player games if not only good thing that will come of it is that you will run out of tissues.
I mean what does it do, let you buy the latest raid set? If thats the case isnt that like buying a book and only reading the last page? Not really winning.
It has PVP, fyi. Instanced BGs but it still has PVP. There even a daily that rewards you with 1000 astral diamonds (main currency) for doing one.
A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house.
2 mil divided by 1000, do the math and see how P2W this game is. The main thing that makes me reconsider trying the game. It would take me 2000 days just to get those 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, ONE quest gets you 1k Astral Diamonds.
Thats about 10 minutes of time spent.
Now compare that time spent getting that vs time spent getting the mone you would have spent on Diamonds / Zen.
Oh look...
Time is Money friend.
If something takes you 3 months of grinding in a sub game to get, you spent around 45 bucks to get that item. (To have the privliage of earning the item)
If you spend 45 bucks on their cash shop you get the item now in a Cash shop game, or you could play for 3 months doing dailies and quests to get the same item for free.
Seems balanced and not pay to win.
It's not even AD you get from these dailies, but rough diamonds that need to be refined into true Astral Diamonds.
So you get even less than a 1000 a day.
And people keep saying, start selling stuff on the AH for AD! What would you be selling?
All that drops in the gameworld is white and green crap! I am closing in on level 30 and have yet to see a single blue drop in the world.
The AH is already completely flooded with green items. Pretty much all is up for sale between 5 AD and 100 AD per item.
So you can forgot getting rich from the AH! Unless, AGAIN, you start spending REAL money to buy Zen, buy elemental keys for the lockboxes and put those up for sale. Which means, you're submitting yourself to P2W afterall.
All that is up for sale at high amounts of AD, is Zen store items and Epic items from lockboxes.
All blue pre-60 gear is on ingame vendors for crazy amounts of AD or Seals. The seal ones are even worse, as by the time you collected enough seals to buy a single item, you have already far outleveled said item.
I am one of the guardian pack owner and i have played NW quite a while and i completely disagree that it is P2W MMO. Unless leveling faster and getting cosmetic items is considered P2W.
Originally posted by Whitebeards I am one of the guardian pack owner and i have played NW quite a while and i completely disagree that it is P2W MMO. Unless leveling faster and getting cosmetic items is considered P2W.
Wait till you get after level 30, when the content starts becoming significantly harder. Especially dungeons. And thus green gear and cheap enchantments no longer sufficient.
Then we'll talk again.
A lot of the Cryptic defenders here are still in the so called F2P honeymoon period with character in the low levels.
It's classic F2P design practices to make the lower levels easy and comfortable, with plenty of health pot drops, green gear rewards that are suffient... all to get you hooked into the game and feel comfortable.
Just a matter of time you get hit by the Epic F2P hammer and be slammed down. Then the Zen store comes into play.... lingering above your head all the time, calling out to you, seducting you by offering all the stuff you need, to get that comfortable feeling back you had in the first 30 levels.
Cryptic is now owned by Perfect World... and PW games are notorious for this kind of design philosophy! Practically all F2P games are designed this way. Especially the Asian ones.
I mean what does it do, let you buy the latest raid set? If thats the case isnt that like buying a book and only reading the last page? Not really winning.
It has PVP, fyi. Instanced BGs but it still has PVP. There even a daily that rewards you with 1000 astral diamonds (main currency) for doing one.
A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house.
2 mil divided by 1000, do the math and see how P2W this game is. The main thing that makes me reconsider trying the game. It would take me 2000 days just to get those 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, ONE quest gets you 1k Astral Diamonds.
Thats about 10 minutes of time spent.
Now compare that time spent getting that vs time spent getting the mone you would have spent on Diamonds / Zen.
Oh look...
Time is Money friend.
If something takes you 3 months of grinding in a sub game to get, you spent around 45 bucks to get that item. (To have the privliage of earning the item)
If you spend 45 bucks on their cash shop you get the item now in a Cash shop game, or you could play for 3 months doing dailies and quests to get the same item for free.
Seems balanced and not pay to win.
It's not even AD you get from these dailies, but rough diamonds that need to be refined into true Astral Diamonds.
So you get even less than a 1000 a day.
And people keep saying, start selling stuff on the AH for AD! What would you be selling?
All that drops in the gameworld is white and green crap! I am closing in on level 30 and have yet to see a single blue drop in the world.
The AH is already completely flooded with green items. Pretty much all is up for sale between 5 AD and 100 AD per item.
So you can forgot getting rich from the AH! Unless, AGAIN, you start spending REAL money to buy Zen, buy elemental keys for the lockboxes and put those up for sale. Which means, you're submitting yourself to P2W afterall.
All that is up for sale at high amounts of AD, is Zen store items and Epic items from lockboxes.
All blue pre-60 gear is on ingame vendors for crazy amounts of AD or Seals. The seal ones are even worse, as by the time you collected enough seals to buy a single item, you have already far outleveled said item.
Rough Astrals convert exactly to 1 Astral Diamond, with the only condition being that you can only conver 24,000 per day. So yes, you are getting exactly 1000 when you get a quest that gives you 1000 rough.
Rough astrals are usually from dailies or easily repeated quests (such as the 1000 rough diamonds you earn PER SKIRMISH during the skirmish event every 6 hours or so).
You can also just earn regular Astral Diamonds through other end game activities / events and through selling goods on the Auction House.
Do any of you whiners actually play the game? Because you are so full of misinformation that it is hilarious.
Originally posted by Whitebeards I am one of the guardian pack owner and i have played NW quite a while and i completely disagree that it is P2W MMO. Unless leveling faster and getting cosmetic items is considered P2W.
Wait till you get after level 30, when the content starts becoming significantly harder. Especially dungeons. And thus green gear and cheap enchantments no longer sufficient.
Then we'll talk again.
A lot of the Cryptic defenders here are still in the so called F2P honeymoon period with character in the low levels.
It's classic F2P design practices to make the lower levels easy and comfortable, with plenty of health pot drops, green gear rewards that are suffient... all to get you hooked into the game and feel comfortable.
Just a matter of time you get hit by the Epic F2P hammer and be slammed down. Then the Zen store comes into play.... lingering above your head all the time, calling out to you, seducting you by offering all the stuff you need, to get that comfortable feeling back you had in the first 30 levels.
Cryptic is now owned by Perfect World... and PW games are notorious for this kind of design philosophy! Practically all F2P games are designed this way. Especially the Asian ones.
Already lvl 35 and i still disagree with you. However i do intend to support the devs and will drop 15 bucks every now and then to buy AD.
Originally posted by remyburke Don't worry OP, you aren't alone. The masses will figure it out eventually as well. Give them time.
No, the Masses probably won't ever figure it out.... and if they start to get a clue Perfect World will start a warm fuzzy and cuddly Face Book Page campaign to get the Masses to forget about it and go back to playing the game and paying.
Perfect World isn't concerned with those of us that refuse to play Neverwinter. They have at least 6.9 Billion other suckers to fleece.
That's why PW will get away with this, them and ever other MMO Publisher now. Time to go back to singleplayer RPGs for me.
I mean what does it do, let you buy the latest raid set? If thats the case isnt that like buying a book and only reading the last page? Not really winning.
It has PVP, fyi. Instanced BGs but it still has PVP. There even a daily that rewards you with 1000 astral diamonds (main currency) for doing one.
A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house.
2 mil divided by 1000, do the math and see how P2W this game is. The main thing that makes me reconsider trying the game. It would take me 2000 days just to get those 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, ONE quest gets you 1k Astral Diamonds.
Thats about 10 minutes of time spent.
Now compare that time spent getting that vs time spent getting the mone you would have spent on Diamonds / Zen.
Oh look...
Time is Money friend.
If something takes you 3 months of grinding in a sub game to get, you spent around 45 bucks to get that item. (To have the privliage of earning the item)
If you spend 45 bucks on their cash shop you get the item now in a Cash shop game, or you could play for 3 months doing dailies and quests to get the same item for free.
Seems balanced and not pay to win.
It's not even AD you get from these dailies, but rough diamonds that need to be refined into true Astral Diamonds.
So you get even less than a 1000 a day.
And people keep saying, start selling stuff on the AH for AD! What would you be selling?
All that drops in the gameworld is white and green crap! I am closing in on level 30 and have yet to see a single blue drop in the world.
The AH is already completely flooded with green items. Pretty much all is up for sale between 5 AD and 100 AD per item.
So you can forgot getting rich from the AH! Unless, AGAIN, you start spending REAL money to buy Zen, buy elemental keys for the lockboxes and put those up for sale. Which means, you're submitting yourself to P2W afterall.
All that is up for sale at high amounts of AD, is Zen store items and Epic items from lockboxes.
All blue pre-60 gear is on ingame vendors for crazy amounts of AD or Seals. The seal ones are even worse, as by the time you collected enough seals to buy a single item, you have already far outleveled said item.
Rough Astrals convert exactly to 1 Astral Diamond, with the only condition being that you can only conver 24,000 per day. So yes, you are getting exactly 1000 when you get a quest that gives you 1000 rough.
Rough astrals are usually from dailies or easily repeated quests (such as the 1000 rough diamonds you earn PER SKIRMISH during the skirmish event every 6 hours or so).
You can also just earn regular Astral Diamonds through other end game activities / events and through selling goods on the Auction House.
Do any of you whiners actually play the game? Because you are so full of misinformation that it is hilarious.
Dude! Good luck getting rich of the AH through ingame play only!
All you get ingame are white and green drops.... and in such quantities... that the AH is already overflowing with them like mad. And the freeloaders crowd hasn't even arrived yet.
Pretty much all green stuff on AH goes for 10 to 100 AD per item and most won't even sell, because there already 100's of each item on AH.
I have been playing for 4 days now, reaching level 30 and I have yet to see a single blue drop ingame. Except from the endboss chest in a dungeon, which is a "single" drop that goes up for roll between the entire group.
Pretty much all pre-level 60 gear is on ingame vendors at very high AD prices or for high number of seals. I have seen a lvl16 blue item on the seal vendor for 40 seals! Good luck getting 40 seals before level16. You'll be close to level30 by then. lol.
Absolutely ridiculous and pointless as no one will be able to afford them at those prices at those levels.
I mean what does it do, let you buy the latest raid set? If thats the case isnt that like buying a book and only reading the last page? Not really winning.
It has PVP, fyi. Instanced BGs but it still has PVP. There even a daily that rewards you with 1000 astral diamonds (main currency) for doing one.
A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house.
2 mil divided by 1000, do the math and see how P2W this game is. The main thing that makes me reconsider trying the game. It would take me 2000 days just to get those 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, ONE quest gets you 1k Astral Diamonds.
Thats about 10 minutes of time spent.
Now compare that time spent getting that vs time spent getting the mone you would have spent on Diamonds / Zen.
Oh look...
Time is Money friend.
If something takes you 3 months of grinding in a sub game to get, you spent around 45 bucks to get that item. (To have the privliage of earning the item)
If you spend 45 bucks on their cash shop you get the item now in a Cash shop game, or you could play for 3 months doing dailies and quests to get the same item for free.
Seems balanced and not pay to win.
It's not even AD you get from these dailies, but rough diamonds that need to be refined into true Astral Diamonds.
So you get even less than a 1000 a day.
And people keep saying, start selling stuff on the AH for AD! What would you be selling?
All that drops in the gameworld is white and green crap! I am closing in on level 30 and have yet to see a single blue drop in the world.
The AH is already completely flooded with green items. Pretty much all is up for sale between 5 AD and 100 AD per item.
So you can forgot getting rich from the AH! Unless, AGAIN, you start spending REAL money to buy Zen, buy elemental keys for the lockboxes and put those up for sale. Which means, you're submitting yourself to P2W afterall.
All that is up for sale at high amounts of AD, is Zen store items and Epic items from lockboxes.
All blue pre-60 gear is on ingame vendors for crazy amounts of AD or Seals. The seal ones are even worse, as by the time you collected enough seals to buy a single item, you have already far outleveled said item.
Rough Astrals convert exactly to 1 Astral Diamond, with the only condition being that you can only conver 24,000 per day. So yes, you are getting exactly 1000 when you get a quest that gives you 1000 rough.
Rough astrals are usually from dailies or easily repeated quests (such as the 1000 rough diamonds you earn PER SKIRMISH during the skirmish event every 6 hours or so).
You can also just earn regular Astral Diamonds through other end game activities / events and through selling goods on the Auction House.
Do any of you whiners actually play the game? Because you are so full of misinformation that it is hilarious.
Dude! Good luck getting rich of the AH through ingame play only!
All you get ingame are white and green drops.... and in such quantities... that the AH is already overflowing with them like mad. And the freeloaders crowd hasn't even arrived yet.
Pretty much all green stuff on AH goes for 10 to 100 AD per item and most won't even sell, because there already 100's of each item on AH.
I have been playing for 4 days now, reaching level 30 and I have yet to see a single blue drop ingame. Except from the endboss chest in a dungeon, which is a "single" drop that goes up for roll between the entire group.
Pretty much all pre-level 60 gear is on ingame vendors at very high AD prices or for high number of seals. I have seen a lvl16 blue item on the seal vendor for 40 seals! Good luck getting 40 seals before level16. You'll be close to level30 by then. lol.
I had no problems getting decent quality gear to level up to 50 with. Do you exclusively solo or something? Yeah, most solo gear is low quality. As per most MMOs. Go play EQ2 and let me know how many non-treasured items you get while doing solo content to max level, or non-greens for World of Warcraft.
Rough Astrals convert exactly to 1 Astral Diamond, with the only condition being that you can only conver 24,000 per day. So yes, you are getting exactly 1000 when you get a quest that gives you 1000 rough.
Rough astrals are usually from dailies or easily repeated quests (such as the 1000 rough diamonds you earn PER SKIRMISH during the skirmish event every 6 hours or so).
You can also just earn regular Astral Diamonds through other end game activities / events and through selling goods on the Auction House.
Do any of you whiners actually play the game? Because you are so full of misinformation that it is hilarious.
Dude! Good luck getting rich of the AH through ingame play only!
All you get ingame are white and green drops.... and in such quantities... that the AH is already overflowing with them like mad. And the freeloaders crowd hasn't even arrived yet.
Pretty much all green stuff on AH goes for 10 to 100 AD per item and most won't even sell, because there already 100's of each item on AH.
I have been playing for 4 days now, reaching level 30 and I have yet to see a single blue drop ingame. Except from the endboss chest in a dungeon, which is a "single" drop that goes up for roll between the entire group.
Pretty much all pre-level 60 gear is on ingame vendors at very high AD prices or for high number of seals. I have seen a lvl16 blue item on the seal vendor for 40 seals! Good luck getting 40 seals before level16. You'll be close to level30 by then. lol.
Absolutely ridiculous and pointless as no one will be able to afford them at those prices at those levels.
You said there are no blue drops in-game and then you mention it's possible to get blue drops from dungeon bosses. So, dungeon bosses are not in-game? Where are they exactly? Also, I've received blue drops from skirmishes. So, even skirmish is not in-game?
Anyway, all drops, even dungeon boss drops, are Bind on Equip, so you can get them from Auction house.
This game is not perfect, no game is, and cash shop prices are a bit steep, but at least it's for non-essential items.
But, the amount of trolling on this game forums is so hard, it's not even funny.
I mean what does it do, let you buy the latest raid set? If thats the case isnt that like buying a book and only reading the last page? Not really winning.
It has PVP, fyi. Instanced BGs but it still has PVP. There even a daily that rewards you with 1000 astral diamonds (main currency) for doing one.
A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house.
2 mil divided by 1000, do the math and see how P2W this game is. The main thing that makes me reconsider trying the game. It would take me 2000 days just to get those 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, ONE quest gets you 1k Astral Diamonds.
Thats about 10 minutes of time spent.
Now compare that time spent getting that vs time spent getting the mone you would have spent on Diamonds / Zen.
Oh look...
Time is Money friend.
If something takes you 3 months of grinding in a sub game to get, you spent around 45 bucks to get that item. (To have the privliage of earning the item)
If you spend 45 bucks on their cash shop you get the item now in a Cash shop game, or you could play for 3 months doing dailies and quests to get the same item for free.
Seems balanced and not pay to win.
It's not even AD you get from these dailies, but rough diamonds that need to be refined into true Astral Diamonds.
So you get even less than a 1000 a day.
And people keep saying, start selling stuff on the AH for AD! What would you be selling?
All that drops in the gameworld is white and green crap! I am closing in on level 30 and have yet to see a single blue drop in the world.
The AH is already completely flooded with green items. Pretty much all is up for sale between 5 AD and 100 AD per item.
So you can forgot getting rich from the AH! Unless, AGAIN, you start spending REAL money to buy Zen, buy elemental keys for the lockboxes and put those up for sale. Which means, you're submitting yourself to P2W afterall.
All that is up for sale at high amounts of AD, is Zen store items and Epic items from lockboxes.
All blue pre-60 gear is on ingame vendors for crazy amounts of AD or Seals. The seal ones are even worse, as by the time you collected enough seals to buy a single item, you have already far outleveled said item.
Rough Astrals convert exactly to 1 Astral Diamond, with the only condition being that you can only conver 24,000 per day. So yes, you are getting exactly 1000 when you get a quest that gives you 1000 rough.
Rough astrals are usually from dailies or easily repeated quests (such as the 1000 rough diamonds you earn PER SKIRMISH during the skirmish event every 6 hours or so).
You can also just earn regular Astral Diamonds through other end game activities / events and through selling goods on the Auction House.
Do any of you whiners actually play the game? Because you are so full of misinformation that it is hilarious.
Dude! Good luck getting rich of the AH through ingame play only!
All you get ingame are white and green drops.... and in such quantities... that the AH is already overflowing with them like mad. And the freeloaders crowd hasn't even arrived yet.
Pretty much all green stuff on AH goes for 10 to 100 AD per item and most won't even sell, because there already 100's of each item on AH.
I have been playing for 4 days now, reaching level 30 and I have yet to see a single blue drop ingame. Except from the endboss chest in a dungeon, which is a "single" drop that goes up for roll between the entire group.
Pretty much all pre-level 60 gear is on ingame vendors at very high AD prices or for high number of seals. I have seen a lvl16 blue item on the seal vendor for 40 seals! Good luck getting 40 seals before level16. You'll be close to level30 by then. lol.
I had no problems getting decent quality gear to level up to 50 with. Do you exclusively solo or something? Yeah, most solo gear is low quality. As per most MMOs. Go play EQ2 and let me know how many non-treasured items you get while doing solo content to max level, or non-greens for World of Warcraft.
I played EverQuest 2 since launch and still play it on and off.
At least that game has a true crafting system, that allows players to create Mastercrafted gear that you replace every 10 levels or so and easily get you through the game as Solo player.
I mean what does it do, let you buy the latest raid set? If thats the case isnt that like buying a book and only reading the last page? Not really winning.
It has PVP, fyi. Instanced BGs but it still has PVP. There even a daily that rewards you with 1000 astral diamonds (main currency) for doing one.
A type of currency used in-game to purchase gear and to bid in the auction house.
2 mil divided by 1000, do the math and see how P2W this game is. The main thing that makes me reconsider trying the game. It would take me 2000 days just to get those 2 mil, doesn't make sense at all.
Yes, ONE quest gets you 1k Astral Diamonds.
Thats about 10 minutes of time spent.
Now compare that time spent getting that vs time spent getting the mone you would have spent on Diamonds / Zen.
Oh look...
Time is Money friend.
If something takes you 3 months of grinding in a sub game to get, you spent around 45 bucks to get that item. (To have the privliage of earning the item)
If you spend 45 bucks on their cash shop you get the item now in a Cash shop game, or you could play for 3 months doing dailies and quests to get the same item for free.
Seems balanced and not pay to win.
It's not even AD you get from these dailies, but rough diamonds that need to be refined into true Astral Diamonds.
So you get even less than a 1000 a day.
And people keep saying, start selling stuff on the AH for AD! What would you be selling?
All that drops in the gameworld is white and green crap! I am closing in on level 30 and have yet to see a single blue drop in the world.
The AH is already completely flooded with green items. Pretty much all is up for sale between 5 AD and 100 AD per item.
So you can forgot getting rich from the AH! Unless, AGAIN, you start spending REAL money to buy Zen, buy elemental keys for the lockboxes and put those up for sale. Which means, you're submitting yourself to P2W afterall.
All that is up for sale at high amounts of AD, is Zen store items and Epic items from lockboxes.
All blue pre-60 gear is on ingame vendors for crazy amounts of AD or Seals. The seal ones are even worse, as by the time you collected enough seals to buy a single item, you have already far outleveled said item.
Rough Astrals convert exactly to 1 Astral Diamond, with the only condition being that you can only conver 24,000 per day. So yes, you are getting exactly 1000 when you get a quest that gives you 1000 rough.
Rough astrals are usually from dailies or easily repeated quests (such as the 1000 rough diamonds you earn PER SKIRMISH during the skirmish event every 6 hours or so).
You can also just earn regular Astral Diamonds through other end game activities / events and through selling goods on the Auction House.
Do any of you whiners actually play the game? Because you are so full of misinformation that it is hilarious.
Dude! Good luck getting rich of the AH through ingame play only!
All you get ingame are white and green drops.... and in such quantities... that the AH is already overflowing with them like mad. And the freeloaders crowd hasn't even arrived yet.
Pretty much all green stuff on AH goes for 10 to 100 AD per item and most won't even sell, because there already 100's of each item on AH.
I have been playing for 4 days now, reaching level 30 and I have yet to see a single blue drop ingame. Except from the endboss chest in a dungeon, which is a "single" drop that goes up for roll between the entire group.
Pretty much all pre-level 60 gear is on ingame vendors at very high AD prices or for high number of seals. I have seen a lvl16 blue item on the seal vendor for 40 seals! Good luck getting 40 seals before level16. You'll be close to level30 by then. lol.
I had no problems getting decent quality gear to level up to 50 with. Do you exclusively solo or something? Yeah, most solo gear is low quality. As per most MMOs. Go play EQ2 and let me know how many non-treasured items you get while doing solo content to max level, or non-greens for World of Warcraft.
I played EverQuest 2 since launch and still play it on and off.
At least that game has a true crafting system, that allows players to create Mastercrafted gear that you replace every 10 levels or so and easily get you through the game as Solo player.
This game has a crafting system too funnily enough. Also you can buy the gear. Or just do easy foundry missions to solo. Or you know, actually play in a group like you are supposed to in MMOs?
The video game industry is just like everything else these days.
As the world begins to realize everything is finite including money, and we begin to run out , then socieity as a whole has become more and more selfish, self-centered, and greedy.
People have become this way, so why not the companies they run?
Oh and I would just like to point out that this whole online gaming industry started at $6 and $9 per HOUR to play.
Interestingly enough this whole genre started with Neverwinter Nights ( NWN ) on AOL.
To play this first online graphical multiplayer game you first had to have a $29.99 a month AOL account then you had to pay $6 an hour for the Neverwinter Nights game access.
I remember having well over $300 a month AOL bills.
When UO came out for a flat $15 a month the online gaming community was blown away because we had been convinced it actually cost them insane hourly costs just to provide each player with internet bandwidth access. We just could not understand how someone else could give us unlimited access for just $15 a month.
Point being as bad as things are now they could and will get worse.
They will continue to bleed more and more and more from us until they break our backs then someone will toss a cheap flat rate game at us again like it is some new brilliant idea.
I mean right now the math is in their favor.
Would you rather have 1000 each paying $15 a month.. or 200 paying $1000 a month, 200 paying $200 a month, 400 paying $15 a month, and 200 paying nothing?
I mean honestly as long as they have a handful of players with unlimited disposable income it is more lucrative to have the cash shop model.
Surely the OP meant buy it and pay a subscription for it instead of having to P2W. I know he doesn't think that a company can stay a float by allowing everyone to keep receiving a service free of charge? There is not a single industry that does this.
You are after all paying for a service with these online MMOs. These companies have to be able to keep the lights on. Pay their employees. Pay for bandwidth and server tech. Pay for advertising, and distribution. Pay to put food on To food on the table for themselves.
Or did you mean literally, that you should only have to have a one time purchase. Because this is not a single player game, but an ongoing continuing type of game that has overhead. MMO are not charities for gaming mooches after all.
A B2P model with a cosmetic/account perk cash shop is a perfect viable and proven model. GW2 alone has proven that.
Wrong. Guild Wars 2 sells boosts of many kinds and you can easily convert real money into in-game gold. Reality is that there has yet to be a non-sub AAA mmo that has zero in-game boosts (that I can think of)
have you played Guild Wars 2? I have like 50 boosts I never used/needed, and the Gold to Gem rate is atrocious. you get next to nothing for your money, you can make so much more just by playing the game. "you can easily convert real money into in-game gold" ha! maybe enough for a couple teleports...
Um, yes I press-beta tested GW2 and am still a huge fan (you'll see this from my post history.)
Somehow, however, you ignored my point entirely by trying to change the subject to your critique of the quality of the boosts and and horrendous exchange rate. I suppose that questioning the experience of the poster is much easier than addressing the actual point of the post isn't it?
Back to the topic: I defend Neverwinter's sale of in-game advantages since I'm not aware of any AAA non-sub game that doesn't sell in-game boosts of some kind. One may have differing opinions on the quality of said boosts, they they are there and Neverwinter is simply following suit.
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
I have been in the online gaming community Since ultima began and i have seen the progession in the free community just go in the wrong direction. I think "F2P" needs to take a real step back and come to an Epiphany that most people now a days even the well off would just pay to look kooler or level fast and look even more Extremely Bad TO THE Metal BAD ASS.I my self dont even care if they wanna level faster whats the harm in that. In some games i would want to have the option to raise my exp gain and have better item find to make up in the gap. The reason for the that is just some game or not woth the PvE content Just the PvP. So I would want more badass gear just at the same level as every one else instead of being that group of poeple that just B2w.
Originally posted by remyburke Don't worry OP, you aren't alone. The masses will figure it out eventually as well. Give them time.
No, the Masses probably won't ever figure it out.... and if they start to get a clue Perfect World will start a warm fuzzy and cuddly Face Book Page campaign to get the Masses to forget about it and go back to playing the game and paying.
Perfect World isn't concerned with those of us that refuse to play Neverwinter. They have at least 6.9 Billion other suckers to fleece.
That's why PW will get away with this, them and ever other MMO Publisher now. Time to go back to singleplayer RPGs for me.
You make it sound as if all of us who play NW games are just going to open our wallets and let the money flow without any fore thought.
I work realy hard every day to earna paycheck and believe me i just don't throw around money. But thanks for your assumptions.
Originally posted by Torgrim I boycotted this game as soon as I knew Cryptic was behind the wheel.
So, your saying instead of giving a chance to a developer, you would just turn a cheek and ignore a game? So in the same light if a developer that produced good games, such as Sega, started making bad sonic games, you would still support them due to their past history so naturally the new games HAVE to be good?
Eh... a bit of a silly way to judge games. Sure, be sceptical, but theres no reason to at least look into and see just what it does.
Your analogy is incorrect. If the new neighbor gives you candy everytime your ball goes into her yard, of course you are going to keep throwing your ball there. If the new neighbor comes out with a broom and hits you everytime you go to get your ball, you will stop going into her yard. Seriously, how many times does Craptic have to produce a bad product before you wake up and stop asking people to give them a chance? I realize that in bizarro world, having terrible management and poor game design while never making a profit as a company is a good thing but here in the real world it is an indication of a company that makes products that a person should be leary of.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
I am so tired of gaming companies thinking they can make games that require your continual purchase of items, unlocks, skills, etc... to be succesful or even to just enjoy it. Let me BUY the game and enjoy it freely. Sure, item malls may be a great way to fund continual development. Fine, give me cosmetics to buy or 10% boosts, not double!! IMO best item mall is Defiance, it is definately not B2W (Buy To Win).
If we players continue to support this method of B2W, we will continue to see more dissapointing games. This is why I am boycotting Neverwinter by not even creating an account. I don't want to even be a POTENTIAL dollar in their eyes. This is why I have not returned to SWTOR in months. And SWTOR is a game which disgusts me on an even deeper lvl. Not only is their a subscription, but then you are encouraged to spend spend spend in the item mall for packs to get items that idiot players price in the millions (credits). If I am a subscriber, why should I be buying item mall items? Is $15 dollars a month no longer enough for access to obtain everythihng in the game? Because I remember when $8 dollars a month was.
I am gladly willing to spend almost $200 a year (excluding any expansions) on a video game, how is that enough for you stingy publishers? And comment as you will, but don't try to answer my final questions. It simply cannot be resonably answered.
So I have to boycott something I like? You guys all make the mistake in thinking that, just because some of the 300 or some odd posters on this site are with you, all gamers feel the same way.
The posters on this site are the EXTREME vocal minority. The majority of gamers don't go onto gaming site forums. they just don't. We here are the minority by FAR. Even me, being one of the minority don't support you.
I'm playing TOR now as a subscriber and having a very good time doing so. Thanks
Originally posted by Sulaa I've stopped playing any mmorpg with item mall, whcih kinda meant I've stopped playing any mmoprg at all. It's rather interesting to watch from side-lines in between RL and playing other genres and types of games.
Go back to wow, thats still your best option... The last fully subscription mmo left....
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Originally posted by Sulaa I've stopped playing any mmorpg with item mall, whcih kinda meant I've stopped playing any mmoprg at all. It's rather interesting to watch from side-lines in between RL and playing other genres and types of games.
Go back to wow, thats still your best option... The last fully subscription mmo left....
I've stopped playing it in Vanilla when I realized direction WoW was going for, so 'go back' would hardly be correct sentence. Besides when I tried WoW on trial account and on my friend MoP account - It's totally not kind of game type I would play. Feel too much like matchmaking system dungeon & arena game than mmoprg. I will not play kind of game I don't like and don't look for - just because it has subs. That would be ridiculous.
It's better to not play any mmorpg than to play mmorpg you don't like. It's entertaiment after all.
Originally posted by remyburke Don't worry OP, you aren't alone. The masses will figure it out eventually as well. Give them time.
No, the Masses probably won't ever figure it out.... and if they start to get a clue Perfect World will start a warm fuzzy and cuddly Face Book Page campaign to get the Masses to forget about it and go back to playing the game and paying.
Perfect World isn't concerned with those of us that refuse to play Neverwinter. They have at least 6.9 Billion other suckers to fleece.
That's why PW will get away with this, them and ever other MMO Publisher now. Time to go back to singleplayer RPGs for me.
You make it sound as if all of us who play NW games are just going to open our wallets and let the money flow without any fore thought.
I work realy hard every day to earna paycheck and believe me i just don't throw around money. But thanks for your assumptions.
^^ This. I play games because I like them. Sometimes I throw a bit of money their way (Gems in GW2 for example) because I feel they earned it by giving me so much fun. Same way with NW. But even if I have quite some disposable income I don't throw it around like candy....the game earns my money as long as I have fun. And even then I usually only buy stuff thats usefull like bags, I don't care much for fluff.
Seeing the manners and education of most of the "anti-F2P" crowd, I'm glad I won't have to deal with them or even see them in NWO. It's a kind of natural selection.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.
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ppl must be so naive to think cosmetics stuff and minor boost can support a MMO. Items that can be easily avoided by most players. Just buy a bag or two. Then what? Play for free forever? DREAM ON.
There is nothing wrong with neverwinter. There are many free alternatives to progress and acquire stuff in the game. You are not force to buy anything. You are just jealous of ppl who are willing to pay for the extra convenience and time saving.
No way also, I've droped this mmo like a hot potato as soon as I read cashshop !
Even if they told me they would give me $200 in cash shop money ( and me alone ), I still would not play....Games like this are worthless to me !
It's not even AD you get from these dailies, but rough diamonds that need to be refined into true Astral Diamonds.
So you get even less than a 1000 a day.
And people keep saying, start selling stuff on the AH for AD! What would you be selling?
All that drops in the gameworld is white and green crap! I am closing in on level 30 and have yet to see a single blue drop in the world.
The AH is already completely flooded with green items. Pretty much all is up for sale between 5 AD and 100 AD per item.
So you can forgot getting rich from the AH! Unless, AGAIN, you start spending REAL money to buy Zen, buy elemental keys for the lockboxes and put those up for sale. Which means, you're submitting yourself to P2W afterall.
All that is up for sale at high amounts of AD, is Zen store items and Epic items from lockboxes.
All blue pre-60 gear is on ingame vendors for crazy amounts of AD or Seals. The seal ones are even worse, as by the time you collected enough seals to buy a single item, you have already far outleveled said item.
Wait till you get after level 30, when the content starts becoming significantly harder. Especially dungeons. And thus green gear and cheap enchantments no longer sufficient.
Then we'll talk again.
A lot of the Cryptic defenders here are still in the so called F2P honeymoon period with character in the low levels.
It's classic F2P design practices to make the lower levels easy and comfortable, with plenty of health pot drops, green gear rewards that are suffient... all to get you hooked into the game and feel comfortable.
Just a matter of time you get hit by the Epic F2P hammer and be slammed down. Then the Zen store comes into play.... lingering above your head all the time, calling out to you, seducting you by offering all the stuff you need, to get that comfortable feeling back you had in the first 30 levels.
Cryptic is now owned by Perfect World... and PW games are notorious for this kind of design philosophy! Practically all F2P games are designed this way. Especially the Asian ones.
Rough Astrals convert exactly to 1 Astral Diamond, with the only condition being that you can only conver 24,000 per day. So yes, you are getting exactly 1000 when you get a quest that gives you 1000 rough.
Rough astrals are usually from dailies or easily repeated quests (such as the 1000 rough diamonds you earn PER SKIRMISH during the skirmish event every 6 hours or so).
You can also just earn regular Astral Diamonds through other end game activities / events and through selling goods on the Auction House.
Do any of you whiners actually play the game? Because you are so full of misinformation that it is hilarious.
Already lvl 35 and i still disagree with you. However i do intend to support the devs and will drop 15 bucks every now and then to buy AD.
And i am doing great in green gear by the way.
No, the Masses probably won't ever figure it out.... and if they start to get a clue Perfect World will start a warm fuzzy and cuddly Face Book Page campaign to get the Masses to forget about it and go back to playing the game and paying.
Perfect World isn't concerned with those of us that refuse to play Neverwinter. They have at least 6.9 Billion other suckers to fleece.
That's why PW will get away with this, them and ever other MMO Publisher now. Time to go back to singleplayer RPGs for me.
Dude! Good luck getting rich of the AH through ingame play only!
All you get ingame are white and green drops.... and in such quantities... that the AH is already overflowing with them like mad. And the freeloaders crowd hasn't even arrived yet.
Pretty much all green stuff on AH goes for 10 to 100 AD per item and most won't even sell, because there already 100's of each item on AH.
I have been playing for 4 days now, reaching level 30 and I have yet to see a single blue drop ingame. Except from the endboss chest in a dungeon, which is a "single" drop that goes up for roll between the entire group.
Pretty much all pre-level 60 gear is on ingame vendors at very high AD prices or for high number of seals. I have seen a lvl16 blue item on the seal vendor for 40 seals! Good luck getting 40 seals before level16. You'll be close to level30 by then. lol.
Absolutely ridiculous and pointless as no one will be able to afford them at those prices at those levels.
I had no problems getting decent quality gear to level up to 50 with. Do you exclusively solo or something? Yeah, most solo gear is low quality. As per most MMOs. Go play EQ2 and let me know how many non-treasured items you get while doing solo content to max level, or non-greens for World of Warcraft.
You said there are no blue drops in-game and then you mention it's possible to get blue drops from dungeon bosses. So, dungeon bosses are not in-game? Where are they exactly? Also, I've received blue drops from skirmishes. So, even skirmish is not in-game?
Anyway, all drops, even dungeon boss drops, are Bind on Equip, so you can get them from Auction house.
This game is not perfect, no game is, and cash shop prices are a bit steep, but at least it's for non-essential items.
But, the amount of trolling on this game forums is so hard, it's not even funny.
I played EverQuest 2 since launch and still play it on and off.
At least that game has a true crafting system, that allows players to create Mastercrafted gear that you replace every 10 levels or so and easily get you through the game as Solo player.
This game has a crafting system too funnily enough. Also you can buy the gear. Or just do easy foundry missions to solo. Or you know, actually play in a group like you are supposed to in MMOs?
The video game industry is just like everything else these days.
As the world begins to realize everything is finite including money, and we begin to run out , then socieity as a whole has become more and more selfish, self-centered, and greedy.
People have become this way, so why not the companies they run?
Oh and I would just like to point out that this whole online gaming industry started at $6 and $9 per HOUR to play.
Interestingly enough this whole genre started with Neverwinter Nights ( NWN ) on AOL.
To play this first online graphical multiplayer game you first had to have a $29.99 a month AOL account then you had to pay $6 an hour for the Neverwinter Nights game access.
I remember having well over $300 a month AOL bills.
When UO came out for a flat $15 a month the online gaming community was blown away because we had been convinced it actually cost them insane hourly costs just to provide each player with internet bandwidth access. We just could not understand how someone else could give us unlimited access for just $15 a month.
Point being as bad as things are now they could and will get worse.
They will continue to bleed more and more and more from us until they break our backs then someone will toss a cheap flat rate game at us again like it is some new brilliant idea.
I mean right now the math is in their favor.
Would you rather have 1000 each paying $15 a month.. or 200 paying $1000 a month, 200 paying $200 a month, 400 paying $15 a month, and 200 paying nothing?
I mean honestly as long as they have a handful of players with unlimited disposable income it is more lucrative to have the cash shop model.
Um, yes I press-beta tested GW2 and am still a huge fan (you'll see this from my post history.)
Somehow, however, you ignored my point entirely by trying to change the subject to your critique of the quality of the boosts and and horrendous exchange rate. I suppose that questioning the experience of the poster is much easier than addressing the actual point of the post isn't it?
Back to the topic: I defend Neverwinter's sale of in-game advantages since I'm not aware of any AAA non-sub game that doesn't sell in-game boosts of some kind. One may have differing opinions on the quality of said boosts, they they are there and Neverwinter is simply following suit.
If in 1982 we played with the current mentality, we would have burned down all the pac man games since the red ghost was clearly OP. Instead we just got better at the game.
I have been in the online gaming community Since ultima began and i have seen the progession in the free community just go in the wrong direction. I think "F2P" needs to take a real step back and come to an Epiphany that most people now a days even the well off would just pay to look kooler or level fast and look even more Extremely Bad TO THE Metal BAD ASS.I my self dont even care if they wanna level faster whats the harm in that. In some games i would want to have the option to raise my exp gain and have better item find to make up in the gap. The reason for the that is just some game or not woth the PvE content Just the PvP. So I would want more badass gear just at the same level as every one else instead of being that group of poeple that just B2w.
Take look at LOL, Path of Exile "item mall"
Microtrannys, those guys have it down. I myself have never paid for anything but the game its self Subs or the pay once games..........
You make it sound as if all of us who play NW games are just going to open our wallets and let the money flow without any fore thought.
I work realy hard every day to earna paycheck and believe me i just don't throw around money. But thanks for your assumptions.
Your analogy is incorrect. If the new neighbor gives you candy everytime your ball goes into her yard, of course you are going to keep throwing your ball there. If the new neighbor comes out with a broom and hits you everytime you go to get your ball, you will stop going into her yard. Seriously, how many times does Craptic have to produce a bad product before you wake up and stop asking people to give them a chance? I realize that in bizarro world, having terrible management and poor game design while never making a profit as a company is a good thing but here in the real world it is an indication of a company that makes products that a person should be leary of.
So I have to boycott something I like? You guys all make the mistake in thinking that, just because some of the 300 or some odd posters on this site are with you, all gamers feel the same way.
The posters on this site are the EXTREME vocal minority. The majority of gamers don't go onto gaming site forums. they just don't. We here are the minority by FAR. Even me, being one of the minority don't support you.
I'm playing TOR now as a subscriber and having a very good time doing so. Thanks
Go back to wow, thats still your best option... The last fully subscription mmo left....
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
I've stopped playing it in Vanilla when I realized direction WoW was going for, so 'go back' would hardly be correct sentence. Besides when I tried WoW on trial account and on my friend MoP account - It's totally not kind of game type I would play. Feel too much like matchmaking system dungeon & arena game than mmoprg. I will not play kind of game I don't like and don't look for - just because it has subs. That would be ridiculous.
It's better to not play any mmorpg than to play mmorpg you don't like. It's entertaiment after all.
^^ This. I play games because I like them. Sometimes I throw a bit of money their way (Gems in GW2 for example) because I feel they earned it by giving me so much fun. Same way with NW. But even if I have quite some disposable income I don't throw it around like candy....the game earns my money as long as I have fun. And even then I usually only buy stuff thats usefull like bags, I don't care much for fluff.
My opinion is my own. I respect all other opinions and views equally, but keep in mind that my opinion will always be the best for me. That's why it's my opinion.