Originally posted by IPolygon Considering ANet removes a lot of the content that has been added throughout the months, I would put any major MMO in front of GW2. Most of the major "expansion worth of content" is only temporary available and does little to enlarge the gaming experience. There are some new arenas, but no new persistent content.
Southsun has been a wasteland for months after release. It is getting some more content now, but if you look back at the game and ANet, not much has been done to add to the game's value. I don't include gier and wxp tiers as content. Guild missions are weak and Fractals further segragate the playerbase and condense the remaining population into LA. ANet has failed to avoid hub-based gameplay again (after GW1, although the world in GW1 is much much bigger for max-level chars). The world in GW2 is really small compared to its predecessor.
AHH - GW2 is the same size as Prophecies and EotN together. Don't think you really understand map size or just spout crap just to troll. There is not difference for Max lvl characters, since your lvl scales, so there IS NO COMPARISON.
To me it looks like WoW added more content compared to GW2 in the first 8 months. If you got to BWL, I think you've missed quite a bit of content in your list.
WoW vanilla was much more addicting and entertaining compared to GW2. I have spent 180 hours in total playing GW2. This is not even close to the number of hours I played WoW in the first 8 months.
Apples and oranges...
Can't really compare GW2 to vanilla WoW... unless you literally compare it to a private server running it at the moment. To do that, you need to log into one and play it again and tell us how it compares to GW2. It's a silly comparison because we're talking 8 year old technology versus todays. You will undoubtedly be unimpressed by vanilla WoW today.
Shouldn't you be saying this to the OP, after all it was him who compared the games in the first place. You say apple and oranges but to me it seems like you are making excuses for GW2 lol.
It's funny, when you think about it, how little content WoW actually has. Hold on, don't blow a gasket here... WoW has a ton of content, that can't be denied. The problem is that you obsolete it so quickly. Once you out-level a zone or dungeon you never go back... talk about temporary content. (Yes, it's there for alts, but for your 1 main character...) Now, I quit WoW after a number of really really fun years right before Cataclysm launched. I didn't feel like jumping on the treadmill again and what minimal content there was for a max-geared level 80 was "been there, done that". You can only run the latest raid so many times before it's, well, boring, and facerolling earlier raids, if you could even find someone else to join you, was dead flat boring to me. So at max level in WoW there was pretty much some PvP and the latest raid. Period.
Guild Wars 2 has fixed that problem. All content is always viable to your character at max level. Nothing is obsoleted. People still go back to the first dungeon (AC) and, even though it's easier with exotics, it's not a full on face-roll no threat roflstomp. Temporary content in GW2 also adds a different flavor... new, fresh fun content that lasts a short while and leaves you wanting more. People still talk about the Mad King fight, the Clock Tower jumping puzzle, etc. Do people ever sit around Dalaran wishing Naxx was still around talking about the good times? Of course not. Naxx is floating right over there, deserted. Gathering dust. Remember when Onyxia got upgraded to 80? Everyone went there. Tell me WoW players... when was the last time your level 90 gave her a visit? Temporary content never stagnates. If it's really good, fun content you look forwards to it coming back even better (SAB) with more added to it.
Well, I'm babbling now. GW2 wins this one hands down because the content never gets obsoleted. That which goes away goes away fresh, remembered warmly. That which stays is always viable to your character. Very few, if any, other games can stake the same claim.
Yes it is true that GW2 leveling is somewhat fast to some depends how you play it.
The thing is in vanilla WOW the new game on the block that attracted many many Warcraft IP fans into the world om MMO gaming, they enjoyed the experience of exploring the gameworld so it took some time to reach level cap for many reasons.
There really were no such thing as "endgame" as it is today so people didn't had any reason to powerlevel to max as fast as possible.
Today so many gamers are touted that endgame is were the "real" game starts so they blow thrue the content as fast as possible and there lies the crux, GW2 were not designed like that, It was never designed with poor and linear PVE from lvl 1 to max so you could raid til you were blue in the face, It was designed for an enjoyable ride from the first time you logged in til you hit the max level and beyond.
I'm not saying vanilla WOW had poor PVE, but the so called WOW formula that many MMO is based on these days are like that and people play them as such.
Originally posted by IPolygon The world in GW2 is really small compared to its predecessor.
This is a straight lie, and anyone who played both games knows it.
Yes, I'm calling you a liar, sir. And before the local moderators judge me for it, I invite them to look at the post history of the person I'm answering to. The agenda is obvious.
From my experience he is correct. GW1's world is larger than GW2's world. But that's understandable given the fact that GW1 had 3 expansions. If you compare the original GW1 world to GW2's world, the latter is much bigger. But with Cantha, Elona and GWEN, GW1 is bigger.
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Originally posted by IPolygon The world in GW2 is really small compared to its predecessor.
This is a straight lie, and anyone who played both games knows it.
Yes, I'm calling you a liar, sir. And before the local moderators judge me for it, I invite them to look at the post history of the person I'm answering to. The agenda is obvious.
From my experience he is correct. GW1's world is larger than GW2's world. But that's understandable given the fact that GW1 had 3 expansions. If you compare the original GW1 world to GW2's world, the latter is much bigger. But with Cantha, Elona and GWEN, GW1 is bigger.
Still people brings up in many topics how big that game is compare that game yadda yadda yadda.
Always and i really mean always compare vanilla games to one another not games that has been out for years with several expantions in their backpack.
you are comparing what a game(WoW) was in 2004 when it was released; to a game(gw2) that was released in 2012? actually it was nicely done. you actually confirm that even with all the technology available in 2010+ years, when GW2 was being developed they have only managed to do better than what WoW was back in 2004. good post man. i said the same thing when GW2 was in beta but no one believed me. you prove me right with your "fact finding", thanks man.
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Originally posted by jesteralways you are comparing what a game(WoW) was in 2004 when it was released; to a game(gw2) that was released in 2012? actually it was nicely done. you actually confirm that even with all the technology available in 2010+ years, when GW2 was being developed they have only managed to do better than what WoW was back in 2004. good post man. i said the same thing when GW2 was in beta but no one believed me. you prove me right with your "fact finding", thanks man.
Game assets became more complex since 2004. All that added technology takes its toll on game's content pipeline.
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Compare this to GW2 where I did everything on 1 character in 2 weeks.
No you didn't. I'm going to have to use the same word as in a previous post today if you keep on sticking with that lie.
In 2 weeks, you got to 80, got 100% world explorations, all the dungeons and jumping puzzles done, all the WvW titles completed, got all the legendaries your class can have, and became the master of sPvP?
Sorry, but I don't believe that. And just as in a previous post of mine today, I'm going to use the same words. You are using lies (aka exagerations) to bash this game. Anyone who played GW2 knows that what you say is impossible, even if you give up "real life" for the game.
Originally posted by elocke
That being said, I like the game...
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I don't really care what you believe. I played what I play on one character and saw everything I need to see. I don't consider achievement filling or getting legendaries or jumping puzzles part of a progression system that I am looking for. Those are fluff systems that don't make or break the game. So technically, my statement about completing everything is legit only due to the fact that everything is never defined. Sorry for not making it clear [mod edit]
I don't really care what you believe. I played what I play on one character and saw everything I need to see. I don't consider achievement filling or getting legendaries or jumping puzzles part of a progression system that I am looking for. Those are fluff systems that don't make or break the game. So technically, my statement about completing everything is legit only due to the fact that everything is never defined. Sorry for not making it clear [mod edit]
Uhm, no. "Completing everything" does not all of a sudden become "legit" just because everything is never defined. Everything is just plain everything.
Compare this to GW2 where I did everything on 1 character in 2 weeks.
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I don't really care what you believe. I played what I play on one character and saw everything I need to see. I don't consider achievement filling or getting legendaries or jumping puzzles part of a progression system that I am looking for. Those are fluff systems that don't make or break the game. So technically, my statement about completing everything is legit only due to the fact that everything is never defined. Sorry for not making it clear [mod edit]
Well that makes alot of sense. So on the same note, I complete WoW in 5 minutes because I seen all I need to see to determine that I wasn't interested in playing it. I've already completed CU because I don't plan on playing, so I've managed to complete a game to it's entirety before it was ever even made! That has to be some kind of record.
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Compare this to GW2 where I did everything on 1 character in 2 weeks.
No you didn't. I'm going to have to use the same word as in a previous post today if you keep on sticking with that lie.
In 2 weeks, you got to 80, got 100% world explorations, all the dungeons and jumping puzzles done, all the WvW titles completed, got all the legendaries your class can have, and became the master of sPvP?
Sorry, but I don't believe that. And just as in a previous post of mine today, I'm going to use the same words. You are using lies (aka exagerations) to bash this game. Anyone who played GW2 knows that what you say is impossible, even if you give up "real life" for the game.
Originally posted by elocke
That being said, I like the game...
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I don't really care what you believe. I played what I play on one character and saw everything I need to see. I don't consider achievement filling or getting legendaries or jumping puzzles part of a progression system that I am looking for. Those are fluff systems that don't make or break the game. So technically, my statement about completing everything is legit only due to the fact that everything is never defined. Sorry for not making it clear [mod edit]
To me it looks like WoW added more content compared to GW2 in the first 8 months. If you got to BWL, I think you've missed quite a bit of content in your list.
WoW vanilla was much more addicting and entertaining compared to GW2. I have spent 180 hours in total playing GW2. This is not even close to the number of hours I played WoW in the first 8 months.
But you also were 8 years younger than you are right now and games in general were bigger part of your life than they are now.
Compare this to GW2 where I did everything on 1 character in 2 weeks. Literally everything, map, story, crafting, gear dungeons ran at least once, pvp all in 2 weeks. All of the content added since launch in GW2 has had me come back for a total of 2 days. And that's being generous. For me the issue is GW2 not having a carrot on the stick to chase and no it doesn't have to be just gear. I just feel no sense of progression and playing alts is boring as hell.
I dare say you did not see everything in the world. GW2 is only about 25% visible to those that approach it with standard MMO mentality. And 25% is generous.
Its also a shame that those that skip the content because its not marked on map because there is so much more to do than most MMO's have, including WoW, even today.
WoW was rough around the edges in those early days. People often attribute much of it's success to it's polish and consistency, but if it were released today in the same state it was released then, I think that the whining and moaning about it being a beta/unfinished/buggy game would be deafening.
Expectations and competition were a lot different back then. People expect more from a game on day 1/month 1/year 1 than they did in 2004. GW2, one of the most polished and content heavy experiences I've ever had in a new MMORPG, has come out in an age when the expectations seem to be nearing perfection.
Your list is interesting to me for another reason. You had to pay $15/month to play WoW. I still do. GW2 has come out with as much or more content than WoW did by this point and has not required me to pay a cent since it came out.
Wow was polished compared to games BEFORE It. Release old games today and they won't look as good as a game produced today. That's pretty much what you are saying.
I didn't last a month in GW2. Put many hours into vanilla wow.
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Originally posted by jesteralways you are comparing what a game(WoW) was in 2004 when it was released; to a game(gw2) that was released in 2012? actually it was nicely done. you actually confirm that even with all the technology available in 2010+ years, when GW2 was being developed they have only managed to do better than what WoW was back in 2004. good post man. i said the same thing when GW2 was in beta but no one believed me. you prove me right with your "fact finding", thanks man.
Game assets became more complex since 2004. All that added technology takes its toll on game's content pipeline.
How much do you know about game programming? or maintenance? do you have programming knowledge? do you have knowledge how to make a professional software? do you have knowledge on server type and each of their maintenance system? do you have knowledge on database creation/management?do you have knowledge on SQL? each and every crucial aspect of these key requirement of game programming/game server maintenance/software optimization has become 100 times easier compared to 2006. database are no longer created, they are bought and come with automated maintenance and automated query system, we only need 1 or 2 technicians to do the additional clean up in servers, we no longer need expert in SQL and database management experts to do day to day work. writing codes are 200 times easier compared to 2006 as now most of the general functions just come with compilers auto written, creating modules no longer requires integrating 100-200 functions. servers have automated maintenance system, they have larger capacity and faster processing power. and i can keep going and going. your claim is completely invalid. please learn more about game development and programming and maintenance then come back to write about it.
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Please try to at least stay within the relative boundaries of the topic. My OP provides a general focus that I was particularly interested in, but I also allowed room for several other avenues of discussion. Back and forth bickering between zelous fans and haters ruins the topic for everyone. I've asked mods to come in here to clean up some of the posts.
If you think this whole thread is based on an apples to oranges comparison, that's fine. Say your piece and explain why. If you think this whole discussion is pointless, then don't participate in it; but know that lots of people enjoy such discussions, and entertainment is the number 1 reason people flock to forums like this. There need be no other reason to have a discussion than for personal enjoyment or fun.
For me, Vanilla WoW had more base leveling content than any game to date. It took me 4 characters, 2 alliance 2 horde, just to see all of the leveling content and quests and zones. That alone took me about a year. By that time the game had added battlegrounds, dungeons, raids and so on and I was all set to delve into the endgame play.
Compare this to GW2 where I did everything on 1 character in 2 weeks. Literally everything, map, story, crafting, gear dungeons ran at least once, pvp all in 2 weeks. All of the content added since launch in GW2 has had me come back for a total of 2 days. And that's being generous. For me the issue is GW2 not having a carrot on the stick to chase and no it doesn't have to be just gear. I just feel no sense of progression and playing alts is boring as hell.
That being said, I like the game I just want it to be deeper, bigger and have more progression systems that are rewarding and not just for the "fun" of doing them as I don't find that fun in a game like GW2.
This is laughable. There is no way you could complete everything in 2 weeks.
A better statement should have been, "I did the things that i wanted to do within the game.", which would be acceptable.
You tried the crafting system, but you didn't try all the crafting professions.
You tried 1 character combination, but you didn't try all the race/class combinations, which in turn, gives you different stories.
You tried all dungeons, but did you try all the paths for each dungeon on explorable mode?
You forgot to add jumping puzzles, open-world dungeons, literally hundreds of dynamic events, etc.
We all know your dislike for GW2, but that's ok, because i dislike some aspects of it too, but your statement that you did "literally everything", is a lie.
I'm playing semantics here, but you should be able to get my point. I've been playing WoW since launch (and still do occasionally), but i would never claim i've did everything in that game, even to this date.
Edit: Re-read Homitu's original post. It lists everything about MMOs in general, and that's they evolve over time. It's a good post and should show people that content is always being added, so in truth, MMOs are never complete, but they compete for the user's time.
Originally posted by IPolygon Considering ANet removes a lot of the content that has been added throughout the months, I would put any major MMO in front of GW2. Most of the major "expansion worth of content" is only temporary available and does little to enlarge the gaming experience. There are some new arenas, but no new persistent content. Southsun has been a wasteland for months after release. It is getting some more content now, but if you look back at the game and ANet, not much has been done to add to the game's value. I don't include gier and wxp tiers as content. Guild missions are weak and Fractals further segragate the playerbase and condense the remaining population into LA. ANet has failed to avoid hub-based gameplay again (after GW1, although the world in GW1 is much much bigger for max-level chars). The world in GW2 is really small compared to its predecessor.
AHH - GW2 is the same size as Prophecies and EotN together. Don't think you really understand map size or just spout crap just to troll. There is not difference for Max lvl characters, since your lvl scales, so there IS NO COMPARISON.
Did you try to farm orichalcum in Caledon Forest? I did and it didn't work. That and you do get better rewards from high level content, which devalues 80% of GW2 content after you hit max level. Troll yourself.
Originally posted by IPolygon Considering ANet removes a lot of the content that has been added throughout the months, I would put any major MMO in front of GW2. Most of the major "expansion worth of content" is only temporary available and does little to enlarge the gaming experience. There are some new arenas, but no new persistent content.
Southsun has been a wasteland for months after release. It is getting some more content now, but if you look back at the game and ANet, not much has been done to add to the game's value. I don't include gier and wxp tiers as content. Guild missions are weak and Fractals further segragate the playerbase and condense the remaining population into LA. ANet has failed to avoid hub-based gameplay again (after GW1, although the world in GW1 is much much bigger for max-level chars). The world in GW2 is really small compared to its predecessor.
AHH - GW2 is the same size as Prophecies and EotN together. Don't think you really understand map size or just spout crap just to troll. There is not difference for Max lvl characters, since your lvl scales, so there IS NO COMPARISON.
Did you try to farm orichalcum in Caledon Forest? I did and it didn't work. That and you do get better rewards from high level content, which devalues 80% of GW2 content after you hit max level. Troll yourself.
The difference between a level 2 event and a level 80 event is about 1.25s, which amounts to less than the cost of a WP.
Also, if you want to earn orichalcum ore in a low level area, do meta events and salvage the gear. I did read the sarcastic tone...but the wurm event in caledon forest guarantees a gold of your level, so if you really insist on gaining ori ore in caledon, that's how ya do it.
And please tell the people who farm the wurm in caledon, Maw in Wayfarer's, and Shadow Behemoth+Troll+events in queensdale that they can't make money in the lowest level zones...
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For me, Vanilla WoW had more base leveling content than any game to date. It took me 4 characters, 2 alliance 2 horde, just to see all of the leveling content and quests and zones. That alone took me about a year. By that time the game had added battlegrounds, dungeons, raids and so on and I was all set to delve into the endgame play.
Compare this to GW2 where I did everything on 1 character in 2 weeks. Literally everything, map, story, crafting, gear dungeons ran at least once, pvp all in 2 weeks. All of the content added since launch in GW2 has had me come back for a total of 2 days. And that's being generous. For me the issue is GW2 not having a carrot on the stick to chase and no it doesn't have to be just gear. I just feel no sense of progression and playing alts is boring as hell.
That being said, I like the game I just want it to be deeper, bigger and have more progression systems that are rewarding and not just for the "fun" of doing them as I don't find that fun in a game like GW2.
This is laughable. There is no way you could complete everything in 2 weeks.
A better statement should have been, "I did the things that i wanted to do within the game.", which would be acceptable.
You tried the crafting system, but you didn't try all the crafting professions.
You tried 1 character combination, but you didn't try all the race/class combinations, which in turn, gives you different stories.
You tried all dungeons, but did you try all the paths for each dungeon on explorable mode?
You forgot to add jumping puzzles, open-world dungeons, literally hundreds of dynamic events, etc.
We all know your dislike for GW2, but that's ok, because i dislike some aspects of it too, but your statement that you did "literally everything", is a lie.
I'm playing semantics here, but you should be able to get my point. I've been playing WoW since launch (and still do occasionally), but i would never claim i've did everything in that game, even to this date.
Edit: Re-read Homitu's original post. It lists everything about MMOs in general, and that's they evolve over time. It's a good post and should show people that content is always being added, so in truth, MMOs are never complete, but they compete for the user's time.
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Originally posted by IPolygon Originally posted by botrytis Originally posted by IPolygon Considering ANet removes a lot of the content that has been added throughout the months, I would put any major MMO in front of GW2. Most of the major "expansion worth of content" is only temporary available and does little to enlarge the gaming experience. There are some new arenas, but no new persistent content. Southsun has been a wasteland for months after release. It is getting some more content now, but if you look back at the game and ANet, not much has been done to add to the game's value. I don't include gier and wxp tiers as content. Guild missions are weak and Fractals further segragate the playerbase and condense the remaining population into LA. ANet has failed to avoid hub-based gameplay again (after GW1, although the world in GW1 is much much bigger for max-level chars). The world in GW2 is really small compared to its predecessor.
AHH - GW2 is the same size as Prophecies and EotN together. Don't think you really understand map size or just spout crap just to troll. There is not difference for Max lvl characters, since your lvl scales, so there IS NO COMPARISON.
Did you try to farm orichalcum in Caledon Forest? I did and it didn't work. That and you do get better rewards from high level content, which devalues 80% of GW2 content after you hit max level. Troll yourself.
The difference between a level 2 event and a level 80 event is about 1.25s, which amounts to less than the cost of a WP.
Also, if you want to earn orichalcum ore in a low level area, do meta events and salvage the gear. I did read the sarcastic tone...but the wurm event in caledon forest guarantees a gold of your level, so if you really insist on gaining ori ore in caledon, that's how ya do it.
And please tell the people who farm the wurm in caledon, Maw in Wayfarer's, and Shadow Behemoth+Troll+events in queensdale that they can't make money in the lowest level zones...
I am not arguing about making money, I am arguing about making money fast/efficient. Do you seriously compare farming Orr up and down to farming single special events every 20 minutes to three hours? You also gain ori from salvaging drops in Orr and mining ori nodes.
Unfortunately, the OP's post is irrelevant in this present day. The standards for content have increased a lot since 2004. GW2 launched with 8 dungeons. Other MMOs like Neverwinter and Tera as examples launched with 16+. So even if GW2 launched a dungeon each month after release they would have been behind modern MMOs.
You industry has changed a lot over the past 10 years. Decade old comparisons are irrevelant. If you want to compare it to WoW, compare it to MoP which by itself added more dungeons than GW2 did at launch not to mention raids and other content.
Are we comparing the games from release or just post released content?
World of Warcraft
Zones- 60-70
Dungeons - 13-15
Raids 4 (Stratholme,Scholomance, and both Blackrock Spires were 10-15man raids if I do recall.)
A high leveling Curb.
Guild Wars 2
Zones - 31 (Including cities)
Dungeons-8
Raids - 0
Low leveling curb.
All content does stay relevant. (That does not diminish the fact that WoW's out of date content is still viable just less so and if you were looking for new content you can find it on your 90 and get a pet from a quest or collect the items and sell them for gold.)
Acceptable PvP at launch.
Honestly, at release I have to give it to WoW, they had more content and 1-60 was a long haul you sometimes would have to do both of 31-40 leveling zones on both continents.
Post release Arenanet has been doing a great job at keeping content rolling as promised, although it is content with a expiration date which I don't agree with, you are robbing people of content they paid for. What if I could not play for a week? is that content just gone for me? No chance of me seeing the clockwork tower jumping puzzle? etc etc..
Like I said at the day of release I would say WoW had leaps and bounds more content then GW2, post release GW2 has had a better time releasing new content.
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AHH - GW2 is the same size as Prophecies and EotN together. Don't think you really understand map size or just spout crap just to troll. There is not difference for Max lvl characters, since your lvl scales, so there IS NO COMPARISON.
Shouldn't you be saying this to the OP, after all it was him who compared the games in the first place. You say apple and oranges but to me it seems like you are making excuses for GW2 lol.
I look forward to you explaining this to the OP.
It's funny, when you think about it, how little content WoW actually has. Hold on, don't blow a gasket here... WoW has a ton of content, that can't be denied. The problem is that you obsolete it so quickly. Once you out-level a zone or dungeon you never go back... talk about temporary content. (Yes, it's there for alts, but for your 1 main character...) Now, I quit WoW after a number of really really fun years right before Cataclysm launched. I didn't feel like jumping on the treadmill again and what minimal content there was for a max-geared level 80 was "been there, done that". You can only run the latest raid so many times before it's, well, boring, and facerolling earlier raids, if you could even find someone else to join you, was dead flat boring to me. So at max level in WoW there was pretty much some PvP and the latest raid. Period.
Guild Wars 2 has fixed that problem. All content is always viable to your character at max level. Nothing is obsoleted. People still go back to the first dungeon (AC) and, even though it's easier with exotics, it's not a full on face-roll no threat roflstomp. Temporary content in GW2 also adds a different flavor... new, fresh fun content that lasts a short while and leaves you wanting more. People still talk about the Mad King fight, the Clock Tower jumping puzzle, etc. Do people ever sit around Dalaran wishing Naxx was still around talking about the good times? Of course not. Naxx is floating right over there, deserted. Gathering dust. Remember when Onyxia got upgraded to 80? Everyone went there. Tell me WoW players... when was the last time your level 90 gave her a visit? Temporary content never stagnates. If it's really good, fun content you look forwards to it coming back even better (SAB) with more added to it.
Well, I'm babbling now. GW2 wins this one hands down because the content never gets obsoleted. That which goes away goes away fresh, remembered warmly. That which stays is always viable to your character. Very few, if any, other games can stake the same claim.
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Yes it is true that GW2 leveling is somewhat fast to some depends how you play it.
The thing is in vanilla WOW the new game on the block that attracted many many Warcraft IP fans into the world om MMO gaming, they enjoyed the experience of exploring the gameworld so it took some time to reach level cap for many reasons.
There really were no such thing as "endgame" as it is today so people didn't had any reason to powerlevel to max as fast as possible.
Today so many gamers are touted that endgame is were the "real" game starts so they blow thrue the content as fast as possible and there lies the crux, GW2 were not designed like that, It was never designed with poor and linear PVE from lvl 1 to max so you could raid til you were blue in the face, It was designed for an enjoyable ride from the first time you logged in til you hit the max level and beyond.
I'm not saying vanilla WOW had poor PVE, but the so called WOW formula that many MMO is based on these days are like that and people play them as such.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
From my experience he is correct. GW1's world is larger than GW2's world. But that's understandable given the fact that GW1 had 3 expansions. If you compare the original GW1 world to GW2's world, the latter is much bigger. But with Cantha, Elona and GWEN, GW1 is bigger.
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Still people brings up in many topics how big that game is compare that game yadda yadda yadda.
Always and i really mean always compare vanilla games to one another not games that has been out for years with several expantions in their backpack.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
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Game assets became more complex since 2004. All that added technology takes its toll on game's content pipeline.
I don't really care what you believe. I played what I play on one character and saw everything I need to see. I don't consider achievement filling or getting legendaries or jumping puzzles part of a progression system that I am looking for. Those are fluff systems that don't make or break the game. So technically, my statement about completing everything is legit only due to the fact that everything is never defined. Sorry for not making it clear [mod edit]
Uhm, no. "Completing everything" does not all of a sudden become "legit" just because everything is never defined. Everything is just plain everything.
Well that makes alot of sense. So on the same note, I complete WoW in 5 minutes because I seen all I need to see to determine that I wasn't interested in playing it. I've already completed CU because I don't plan on playing, so I've managed to complete a game to it's entirety before it was ever even made! That has to be some kind of record.
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I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
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well said
But you also were 8 years younger than you are right now and games in general were bigger part of your life than they are now.
I dont know you but I dare say that much.
I dare say you did not see everything in the world. GW2 is only about 25% visible to those that approach it with standard MMO mentality. And 25% is generous.
Its also a shame that those that skip the content because its not marked on map because there is so much more to do than most MMO's have, including WoW, even today.
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Also, this thread has clearly derailed.
Thanks OP for informative post. It was a good read.
Wow was polished compared to games BEFORE It. Release old games today and they won't look as good as a game produced today. That's pretty much what you are saying.
I didn't last a month in GW2. Put many hours into vanilla wow.
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How much do you know about game programming? or maintenance? do you have programming knowledge? do you have knowledge how to make a professional software? do you have knowledge on server type and each of their maintenance system? do you have knowledge on database creation/management?do you have knowledge on SQL? each and every crucial aspect of these key requirement of game programming/game server maintenance/software optimization has become 100 times easier compared to 2006. database are no longer created, they are bought and come with automated maintenance and automated query system, we only need 1 or 2 technicians to do the additional clean up in servers, we no longer need expert in SQL and database management experts to do day to day work. writing codes are 200 times easier compared to 2006 as now most of the general functions just come with compilers auto written, creating modules no longer requires integrating 100-200 functions. servers have automated maintenance system, they have larger capacity and faster processing power. and i can keep going and going. your claim is completely invalid. please learn more about game development and programming and maintenance then come back to write about it.
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Please try to at least stay within the relative boundaries of the topic. My OP provides a general focus that I was particularly interested in, but I also allowed room for several other avenues of discussion. Back and forth bickering between zelous fans and haters ruins the topic for everyone. I've asked mods to come in here to clean up some of the posts.
If you think this whole thread is based on an apples to oranges comparison, that's fine. Say your piece and explain why. If you think this whole discussion is pointless, then don't participate in it; but know that lots of people enjoy such discussions, and entertainment is the number 1 reason people flock to forums like this. There need be no other reason to have a discussion than for personal enjoyment or fun.
This is laughable. There is no way you could complete everything in 2 weeks.
A better statement should have been, "I did the things that i wanted to do within the game.", which would be acceptable.
AHH - GW2 is the same size as Prophecies and EotN together. Don't think you really understand map size or just spout crap just to troll. There is not difference for Max lvl characters, since your lvl scales, so there IS NO COMPARISON.
Did you try to farm orichalcum in Caledon Forest? I did and it didn't work. That and you do get better rewards from high level content, which devalues 80% of GW2 content after you hit max level. Troll yourself.The difference between a level 2 event and a level 80 event is about 1.25s, which amounts to less than the cost of a WP.
Also, if you want to earn orichalcum ore in a low level area, do meta events and salvage the gear. I did read the sarcastic tone...but the wurm event in caledon forest guarantees a gold of your level, so if you really insist on gaining ori ore in caledon, that's how ya do it.
And please tell the people who farm the wurm in caledon, Maw in Wayfarer's, and Shadow Behemoth+Troll+events in queensdale that they can't make money in the lowest level zones...
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Some folks need to kill 10,000 bears to develope their skills others need to kill only 10 bears to do the same ....repetition isn't content it's just boring
AHH - GW2 is the same size as Prophecies and EotN together. Don't think you really understand map size or just spout crap just to troll. There is not difference for Max lvl characters, since your lvl scales, so there IS NO COMPARISON.
Did you try to farm orichalcum in Caledon Forest? I did and it didn't work. That and you do get better rewards from high level content, which devalues 80% of GW2 content after you hit max level. Troll yourself.The difference between a level 2 event and a level 80 event is about 1.25s, which amounts to less than the cost of a WP.
Also, if you want to earn orichalcum ore in a low level area, do meta events and salvage the gear. I did read the sarcastic tone...but the wurm event in caledon forest guarantees a gold of your level, so if you really insist on gaining ori ore in caledon, that's how ya do it.
And please tell the people who farm the wurm in caledon, Maw in Wayfarer's, and Shadow Behemoth+Troll+events in queensdale that they can't make money in the lowest level zones...
I am not arguing about making money, I am arguing about making money fast/efficient. Do you seriously compare farming Orr up and down to farming single special events every 20 minutes to three hours? You also gain ori from salvaging drops in Orr and mining ori nodes.Unfortunately, the OP's post is irrelevant in this present day. The standards for content have increased a lot since 2004. GW2 launched with 8 dungeons. Other MMOs like Neverwinter and Tera as examples launched with 16+. So even if GW2 launched a dungeon each month after release they would have been behind modern MMOs.
You industry has changed a lot over the past 10 years. Decade old comparisons are irrevelant. If you want to compare it to WoW, compare it to MoP which by itself added more dungeons than GW2 did at launch not to mention raids and other content.
Are we comparing the games from release or just post released content?
World of Warcraft
Zones- 60-70
Dungeons - 13-15
Raids 4 (Stratholme,Scholomance, and both Blackrock Spires were 10-15man raids if I do recall.)
A high leveling Curb.
Guild Wars 2
Zones - 31 (Including cities)
Dungeons-8
Raids - 0
Low leveling curb.
All content does stay relevant. (That does not diminish the fact that WoW's out of date content is still viable just less so and if you were looking for new content you can find it on your 90 and get a pet from a quest or collect the items and sell them for gold.)
Acceptable PvP at launch.
Honestly, at release I have to give it to WoW, they had more content and 1-60 was a long haul you sometimes would have to do both of 31-40 leveling zones on both continents.
Post release Arenanet has been doing a great job at keeping content rolling as promised, although it is content with a expiration date which I don't agree with, you are robbing people of content they paid for. What if I could not play for a week? is that content just gone for me? No chance of me seeing the clockwork tower jumping puzzle? etc etc..
Like I said at the day of release I would say WoW had leaps and bounds more content then GW2, post release GW2 has had a better time releasing new content.