If it's not that new I would guess around the time of TESO (March-April). A bit before if they could manage it, in order to grab more of the 'omg new MMO!' crowd, before TESO gets it's chance.
EQN has nothing to fear from TESO. It could launch on the same day and will still dominate, if the game is solid.
If it's not that new I would guess around the time of TESO (March-April). A bit before if they could manage it, in order to grab more of the 'omg new MMO!' crowd, before TESO gets it's chance.
EQN has nothing to fear from TESO. It could launch on the same day and will still dominate, if the game is solid.
We know pretty much next to nothing about EQN. It's too early to tell either way without more information. Saying EQN has nothing to fear is bias, and even worse uninformed bias at that, unless you think EQN's admission of being a 'F2P' game has swung it for you, and you believe it will do likewise for others since that is pretty much all thats been confirmed thus far.
The Elder Scrolls IP has fans, as does Everquest. Currently it's in the air, and those who play one MMO at a time will stick with the first one they find fun, if thats the first one they try then why would they leave?.
EQN's admission of being a 'F2P' game has swung it for you, and you believe it will do likewise for others since that is pretty much all thats been confirmed thus far.
The Elder Scrolls IP has fans, as does Everquest. Currently it's in the air, and those who play one MMO at a time will stick with the first one they find fun, if thats the first one they try then why would they leave?.
Let me explain. EQN is going to be F2P, unless SOE decides to change their company business model for the game. Meaning people can try it out at no cost to themselves.
EQN is also going to be a sandbox game.
TESO is going to be themepark with a personal story.
I honestly believe those that are really into TESO will buy that. Those whom are really into EQ and sandbox will try out EQN.
TESO launching will have little impact on EQN because I think there won't be much cross over between the two.
In my opinion the sandbox style of EQN won't fit well with the traditional themepark mindset. They're going to be two different games within the larger genre of this thing we call MMORPG.
EQN's admission of being a 'F2P' game has swung it for you, and you believe it will do likewise for others since that is pretty much all thats been confirmed thus far.
The Elder Scrolls IP has fans, as does Everquest. Currently it's in the air, and those who play one MMO at a time will stick with the first one they find fun, if thats the first one they try then why would they leave?.
Let me explain. EQN is going to be F2P, unless SOE decides to change their company business model for the game. Meaning people can try it out at no cost to themselves.
EQN is also going to be a sandbox game.
TESO is going to be themepark with a personal story.
I honestly believe those that are really into TESO will buy that. Those whom are really into EQ and sandbox will try out EQN.
TESO launching will have little impact on EQN because I think there won't be much cross over between the two.
In my opinion the sandbox style of EQN won't fit well with the traditional themepark mindset. They're going to be two different games within the larger genre of this thing we call MMORPG.
EQN will be using some form of freemium model as their other titles, they have said as much (in an interview not long ago). However what that system is and how restrictive remains to be seen. They have relaxed their pricing schemes a lot but they still feel restrictive, and beyond mid game really don't leave much freedom or fun.
As I have said EQN has revealed little to nothing thus far. What is their idea of sandbox? Is it a full sandbox? A hybrid model? A themepark with sandbox elements? What one person considers sandbox many do not. Unless of course you have been granted an insight into the game in which case...spill the beans my good man
Of course they will be different games, however (and be honest here) how many times have you heard a game say they will have something new and never seen before and been dissapointed in it's execution? Rift was not WoW but to say the were different beasts would be stretching the truth a little. As I have said no information means no real basis for arguing merits or flaws, positives or negatives. Unless you want to argue the F2P vs P2P arguement both of which have merit, both of which have fervent fans.
I can't wait til August when they finally announce something solid on the game.
If it's not that new I would guess around the time of TESO (March-April). A bit before if they could manage it, in order to grab more of the 'omg new MMO!' crowd, before TESO gets it's chance.
EQN has nothing to fear from TESO. It could launch on the same day and will still dominate, if the game is solid.
We know pretty much next to nothing about EQN. It's too early to tell either way without more information. Saying EQN has nothing to fear is bias, and even worse uninformed bias at that, unless you think EQN's admission of being a 'F2P' game has swung it for you, and you believe it will do likewise for others since that is pretty much all thats been confirmed thus far.
The Elder Scrolls IP has fans, as does Everquest. Currently it's in the air, and those who play one MMO at a time will stick with the first one they find fun, if thats the first one they try then why would they leave?.
But is it unsubstantiated? This is a SoE in house project making a 3rd title is the EQ series and both have stood the test of time. ESO, marketed as not a real MMO. More a online TES game you can play with friends. There words not mine. The TES fans seem to be more upset with ESO then there is happy fans and people have been asking for a new EQ title for the past 5 years or so. So what MMO do you think would be embraced more? My money is EQN will have greater chance at longevity and profit. I think this will stand as long as SoE does not alienate their fan base like ESO has.
If it's not that new I would guess around the time of TESO (March-April). A bit before if they could manage it, in order to grab more of the 'omg new MMO!' crowd, before TESO gets it's chance.
EQN has nothing to fear from TESO. It could launch on the same day and will still dominate, if the game is solid.
We know pretty much next to nothing about EQN. It's too early to tell either way without more information. Saying EQN has nothing to fear is bias, and even worse uninformed bias at that, unless you think EQN's admission of being a 'F2P' game has swung it for you, and you believe it will do likewise for others since that is pretty much all thats been confirmed thus far.
The Elder Scrolls IP has fans, as does Everquest. Currently it's in the air, and those who play one MMO at a time will stick with the first one they find fun, if thats the first one they try then why would they leave?.
But is it unsubstantiated? This is a SoE in house project making a 3rd title is the EQ series and both have stood the test of time. ESO, marketed as not a real MMO. More a online TES game you can play with friends. There words not mine. The TES fans seem to be more upset with ESO then there is happy fans and people have been asking for a new EQ title for the past 5 years or so. So what MMO do you think would be embraced more? My money is EQN will have greater chance at longevity and profit. I think this will stand as long as SoE does not alienate their fan base like ESO has.
Without information yes it is unsubstantiated. Your arguement that EQN has nothing to fear because a small portion of the Elder Scrolls fanbase (and it is a small portion) dislike the direction it has taken, whereas EQN has not (primarily given because we have yet to hear of their direction at all, beyond marketing buzz so vague as to not even be tangible) is puzzling. If one company upsets some of it's fans, that does not mean the other company won't do so as well, in fact I can pretty much guarantee some will be upset with EQN (either from reading too much into Smedley's hype machine or it not being a reskinned EQ).
You are right people have been asking for a new EQ title for a long time. However much of that has been asking for a revamp of EQ1...do you think that is what will be arriving? As I have said there is no information, nothing to say whether this game will appeal to their pre existing fanbase or a completely new one. Everquest 2 itself was considered an abomination by many old EQ1 players and even today has barely (if at all?) surpassed it's forebear and both games while popular are not even close to what many gamers now measure as success. You are also overlooking SOEs past with their own products.
Currently I couldn't hazard a guess as to what would perform better, as I have no idea at all what EQN is. I know what TESO is (I may even give it a try depending on release schedules and free time), despite the labeling of the company...if it looks like an MMO, walks like an MMO and talks like an MMO... Hopefully both games will be great, I am a fan of both IPs though to blindly support SOE because they have yet to reveal anything is the very reason so many people get upset on these and other forums, support them by all means but let it be for merit, not because they haven't messed up in your eyes as badly as others...yet.
If it's not that new I would guess around the time of TESO (March-April). A bit before if they could manage it, in order to grab more of the 'omg new MMO!' crowd, before TESO gets it's chance.
EQN has nothing to fear from TESO. It could launch on the same day and will still dominate, if the game is solid.
We know pretty much next to nothing about EQN. It's too early to tell either way without more information. Saying EQN has nothing to fear is bias, and even worse uninformed bias at that, unless you think EQN's admission of being a 'F2P' game has swung it for you, and you believe it will do likewise for others since that is pretty much all thats been confirmed thus far.
The Elder Scrolls IP has fans, as does Everquest. Currently it's in the air, and those who play one MMO at a time will stick with the first one they find fun, if thats the first one they try then why would they leave?.
But is it unsubstantiated? This is a SoE in house project making a 3rd title is the EQ series and both have stood the test of time. ESO, marketed as not a real MMO. More a online TES game you can play with friends. There words not mine. The TES fans seem to be more upset with ESO then there is happy fans and people have been asking for a new EQ title for the past 5 years or so. So what MMO do you think would be embraced more? My money is EQN will have greater chance at longevity and profit. I think this will stand as long as SoE does not alienate their fan base like ESO has.
Without information yes it is unsubstantiated. Your arguement that EQN has nothing to fear because a small portion of the Elder Scrolls fanbase (and it is a small portion) dislike the direction it has taken, whereas EQN has not (primarily given because we have yet to hear of their direction at all, beyond marketing buzz so vague as to not even be tangible) is puzzling. If one company upsets some of it's fans, that does not mean the other company won't do so as well, in fact I can pretty much guarantee some will be upset with EQN (either from reading too much into Smedley's hype machine or it not being a reskinned EQ).
You are right people have been asking for a new EQ title for a long time. However much of that has been asking for a revamp of EQ1...do you think that is what will be arriving? As I have said there is no information, nothing to say whether this game will appeal to their pre existing fanbase or a completely new one. Everquest 2 itself was considered an abomination by many old EQ1 players and even today has barely (if at all?) surpassed it's forebear and both games while popular are not even close to what many gamers now measure as success. You are also overlooking SOEs past with their own products.
Currently I couldn't hazard a guess as to what would perform better, as I have no idea at all what EQN is. I know what TESO is (I may even give it a try depending on release schedules and free time), despite the labeling of the company...if it looks like an MMO, walks like an MMO and talks like an MMO... Hopefully both games will be great, I am a fan of both IPs though to blindly support SOE because they have yet to reveal anything is the very reason so many people get upset on these and other forums, support them by all means but let it be for merit, not because they haven't messed up in your eyes as badly as others...yet.
Support with words costs me nothing. Gamers getting excited about a game also cost nothing and IMO people should get excited about the things they love. Money? Now if they want that support, they gona have to give me a lb of flesh to sink my teeth into =-) Now I didnt ask you what game to support with your cash. I asked what one do you think lends itself to paying off for the fan support looking at the fact we know and history of the companies making the games. My money is on SoE of the two.
I asked what one do you think lends itself to paying off for the fan support looking at the fact we know and history of the companies making the games. My money is on SoE of the two.
I'm looking forward to both however I am holding reservations about EQN as there is nothing beyond the EQ name to it. SOE has itself killed some of it's games in the past through poorly thought out expansions or changes. Whilst I can understand the need for secrecy if it is a new concept, I have a sneaking belief it'll be another disapointment. With SOE hope for the best, expect the worst is something you should hold tight.
So what MMO do you think would be embraced more? My money is EQN will have greater chance at longevity and profit.
Currently TESO. Multiple platforms and I cannot see it not doing well on PC and consoles, despite the vocal few on some of the forums because of the payment model and / or it's design. It also has a larger playerbase from it's IP than EQ (though granted it is a new player in the MMO market).
Though don't get me wrong as a player of EQ I am hopeful, though past experiences with SOE have left me a bit skeptical.
I don't see how it could get released this year if we are just getting details August 2. Remember, after that they need to have a full on beta test, right now all they could have is internal testing...which is far too inferior to test a product like an mmo. So you would have beta 1, 2, ..3 etc...each lasting at least a couple months followed by an open beta to stress test the server technology.
Given this, even if EQN is ready for beta come August 3rd I don't see the beta phase ending until about 6 months later. So my earliest guess would be Q1 2014 (March 2014). However, if there are issues in beta this could easily slip to the summer or end of 2014.
I think their plan might be to release either just before or a few months after ESO.
EQN has been in a blackbox for 6 years and not a word has been said to keep others from taking their ideas. 4 years of working on the sandbox part of the game again with new ideas they dont want any one to copy. If the game is shown at SoE live Aug 2nd and the game comes out sometime in 2014, what was the point of the blackbox?
I'd have to look at some interviews, but I think it was scrapped and started over again about two years ago. Still, that should be plenty of time to get it out since none of the technology or anything got changed. Just the focus of the game. So they've been working on putting in systems and everything else for the last two to two and a half years. Should be plenty of development time I would think.
6 years ago they started making EQN, 2 years in they looked at the project and realized they were making a cookie cutter of everything out there. They started over 4 years ago to make the game we will see Aug 2nd. What they didnt have to scrap was the story, art, the world. Much of the core of what they made could be kept. Sandbox MMOs also tent to take less development time. My guess is, beta starting full swing after SoE live and a release most likely in Sept-Nov but maybe Dec if they run into a hiccup.
I have a guess, but for clarity - what do you mean by the blackbox? And is there reference to this in an article? Just wanted to read up on this part of development you're talking about.
Devs words, just google backbox and EQN. Been said many times and youtube has some vids as well. Sorry I didnt book mark them. I kinda read them and move on, sorry. As for what it means is unlike most MMOs they want zero info about the game out till its almost ready to be released. First look we are going to get is at SoE Live on Aug 2nd and its a working game, not a demo. Again devs words not mine.
Well you have to understand the devs said the game would be playable at SOE Live, but an Alpha stage game is "playable". But even if it's past that stage, they still have to do a full on large beta test phase. That takes months and months. They couldn't have done a proper beta and kept it in the black box so what they have done so far would be considered internal testing. Also it takes longer than 6 months for a competitor to take what they learn of EQN and implement it into their game, hence a release into 2014 would not defeat the black box effort they put in so far.
I just don't see anyway that the game launches one month after SOE Live as some on here are seeming to hope.
I think it has more to do with Smedley saying an actual release version by end of year and he doesn't mean beta. Granted it might not actually mean the end of year as things get pushed back, but they are pretty far along it seems. On top of that, F2P means they can release something in progress and people won't be mad because they didn't spend any money yet. But it's a speculation for sure.
Can you post a link to Smed saying that? What I recollect him saying is that you will see an actual playable version at soe live not a demo, I don't think he said anything about a beta. I think this paraphrasing has grown from playable version (which could mean alpha state) to a release candidate version from people's wishful thinking.
Also I believe it was about 6 months ago that they stated they are incorporating story bricks into the game. To me it would seem it will take much longer than six to nine months to accomplish that given it supposed to completely revamp the entire npc ai system.
Can you post a link to Smed saying that? What I recollect him saying is that you will see an actual playable version at soe live not a demo, I don't think he said anything about a beta. I think this paraphrasing has grown from playable version (which could mean alpha state) to a release candidate version from people's wishful thinking.
Also I believe it was about 6 months ago that they stated they are incorporating story bricks into the game. To me it would seem it will take much longer than six to nine months to accomplish that given it supposed to completely revamp the entire npc ai system.
"Players will get their hands on an actual release version of what we're doing late [this] year -- and I don't mean a beta," he said.
And just because we just heard about StoryBricks a few months ago doesn't mean they haven't been actively developting content for EQN since the latest reboot.
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I don't think Sony feels any pressure to release the game shortly after the August presentation. Since it takes years to develop and design an MMO, no one will be able to beat EQN to market with a game containing similar features if they truly are doing something different. Existing games wouldn't have the ability to dramatically change their systems either--you can't suddenly make SWTOR a sandbox. Sony has at least a year if not significantly longer to get the game out without having to worry about someone stealing their game concept.
Speaking of SWTOR, the first screenshots were shown in 2009, which also was when the first beta sign up and testing occurred and the first video trailer came out (June 1, 2009 according to Wikipedia). The game came out 2 and a half years later. Between 2009 and release, there were countless "SWTOR First Impressions" articles. There hasn't been any time to do any of that with EQN. Name me one triple-A MMORPG that went from its first announcement containing concrete information about it, to first screenshots, to beta sign up and testing, to advertising campaign, to release in four months. It's never happened before.
Originally posted by Jeeshman Name me one triple-A MMORPG that went from its first announcement containing concrete information about it, to first screenshots, to beta sign up and testing, to advertising campaign, to release in four months. It's never happened before.
November of 2014 is my guess.
Thing is that this game has been in development since 2009, They did not change the graphics or the core system they changed the method of play.
The hard part is the Core and UI part.
So it is entirely possible and it follows the Planet Side 2 style release very little information then it was released. I do not really remember a beta.
Originally posted by Jeeshman Name me one triple-A MMORPG that went from its first announcement containing concrete information about it, to first screenshots, to beta sign up and testing, to advertising campaign, to release in four months. It's never happened before.
November of 2014 is my guess.
Thing is that this game has been in development since 2009, They did not change the graphics or the core system they changed the method of play.
The hard part is the Core and UI part.
So it is entirely possible and it follows the Planet Side 2 style release very little information then it was released. I do not really remember a beta.
I think it's a bit of an oversimplification to say "the hard part is the Core and UI part." Once the Core and UI are in place, you still have to build the game. We can guess, but we don't really know to what extent they started over when they 'blew up' (Smedley's words) the original design in late 2010/early 2011. We know they kept the Forcelight Engine, so we can assume they kept most or all of the assets they already designed, but that's still an assumption. So how much of the assets made before the "blow up" did they have to change, rebuild, or create from scratch?
Just off the top of my head: they'd have to completely re-think class balance and itemization to make everything work with the new sandbox concept. That could take ages. They'd have to redesign NPC and enemy AI for the same reason. If they made drastic changes to player housing (almost a certainty if the new concept includes things like player-made cities), that entire component would have to be redone or drastically reworked. They'd have to re-conceptualize their crafting system, perhaps even change or add/remvoe crafting classes, based on how their sandbox concept works. This could all have such a negative effect on their existing PvE assets that THEY would have to be reworked. And I'm probably barely scratching the surface of what had to be changed since I don't design games for a living. One thing is certain: they'd want a LOT of input from beta testers to see what changes worked and didn't work.
You can't compare the next Everquest with Planetside 2 because PS2 isn't an MMORPG. On top of the sandbox component it's probably safe to assume there will be a questing component with group and raid instances in EQN, which Planetside 2 doesn't have. But even if it's a fair comparison, the first official announcement of Planetside 2 that's similar to the upcoming August EQN announcement took place at the Fan Faire in 2011. The game wasn't released for another year and 3 months, which falls right into my November 2014 guesstimate.
I was there was a requirement to know what a game being blackboxed means before coming onto the Everquest Next forums.
Planetside 2 wasn't blackboxed. Everquest Next is using the same graphics engine or whatever (Forgelight) as Planetside 2.
There is no sense to revealing the game (+ playable demo at SOE Live) if the game wasnt close to releasing.
Dave Georgeson said they could have showed Everquest Next at E3 if they wanted to, but they wanted to save it for SOE Live for their fans. And probably so thats its closer to release. The whole point of a blackbox is you think you have something special, so you want to drop all the information and details like a bombshell so the rest of the market is playing catchup.
SOE Live happens August 2nd. EQN closed beta begins August 9th. As a treat to all attendees, they will all be granted access to the closed beta.
Beta happens from August September October November, maybe partway into December, game release late December. that can be over 4 months of beta and still release this year. December 20th, 2013 game releases.
I am hoping for a possible November/December 2013 release. The whole point of not releasing any information about the game was to keep the competitors from implementing their ideas before EQN's release. If they show the details at the reveal and then wait a long time to release, the whole black-box has been wasted. So, I am guessing a late 2013 release.
Those who think it will are living in la la dreamland... Look at the lack of any actual data about the game. I know you are rabid fans, and it is impossible for you to be realistic, but be realistic.
Smedley said... “Players will get their hands on an actual release version of what we’re doing late [this] year – and I don’t mean a beta."
I mean that is coming from the horses mouth . So expect it around December at the latest .
They have remained tight lipped about this game to stop the competition from stealing their ideas .
EQN will be so good that we will flock to the game in droves giving them the market share before clones come out from Blizzard & co who stole the limelight from EQ2 with WoW .
I say Beta starts shortly after reveal in August. Launch is then scheduled for Dec this year. But like all MMOs it will get pushed back and actually launch in March.
November / December like EQ2 was. I think they will do a month of alpha testing after the SOE Live thing. Couple months of Beta, then release a month after. This game has been in production for so long that I don't think there is much left.
I think they will give us some info in August. Then stew for a year. With beta announcements next Aug. And probably a early 2015 release date. Hate to pop that bubble. But EQ2 and EQ1 still out. Gonna be awhile folks....grab a chair.
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EQN has nothing to fear from TESO. It could launch on the same day and will still dominate, if the game is solid.
We know pretty much next to nothing about EQN. It's too early to tell either way without more information. Saying EQN has nothing to fear is bias, and even worse uninformed bias at that, unless you think EQN's admission of being a 'F2P' game has swung it for you, and you believe it will do likewise for others since that is pretty much all thats been confirmed thus far.
The Elder Scrolls IP has fans, as does Everquest. Currently it's in the air, and those who play one MMO at a time will stick with the first one they find fun, if thats the first one they try then why would they leave?.
Let me explain. EQN is going to be F2P, unless SOE decides to change their company business model for the game. Meaning people can try it out at no cost to themselves.
EQN is also going to be a sandbox game.
TESO is going to be themepark with a personal story.
I honestly believe those that are really into TESO will buy that. Those whom are really into EQ and sandbox will try out EQN.
TESO launching will have little impact on EQN because I think there won't be much cross over between the two.
In my opinion the sandbox style of EQN won't fit well with the traditional themepark mindset. They're going to be two different games within the larger genre of this thing we call MMORPG.
EQN will be using some form of freemium model as their other titles, they have said as much (in an interview not long ago). However what that system is and how restrictive remains to be seen. They have relaxed their pricing schemes a lot but they still feel restrictive, and beyond mid game really don't leave much freedom or fun.
As I have said EQN has revealed little to nothing thus far. What is their idea of sandbox? Is it a full sandbox? A hybrid model? A themepark with sandbox elements? What one person considers sandbox many do not. Unless of course you have been granted an insight into the game in which case...spill the beans my good man
Of course they will be different games, however (and be honest here) how many times have you heard a game say they will have something new and never seen before and been dissapointed in it's execution? Rift was not WoW but to say the were different beasts would be stretching the truth a little. As I have said no information means no real basis for arguing merits or flaws, positives or negatives. Unless you want to argue the F2P vs P2P arguement both of which have merit, both of which have fervent fans.
I can't wait til August when they finally announce something solid on the game.
But is it unsubstantiated? This is a SoE in house project making a 3rd title is the EQ series and both have stood the test of time. ESO, marketed as not a real MMO. More a online TES game you can play with friends. There words not mine. The TES fans seem to be more upset with ESO then there is happy fans and people have been asking for a new EQ title for the past 5 years or so. So what MMO do you think would be embraced more? My money is EQN will have greater chance at longevity and profit. I think this will stand as long as SoE does not alienate their fan base like ESO has.
To answer the question of this post...
A week longer than you willing to wait and 6 months before it should be.
hype is like candy .. nice to have but too much will make you sick
Without information yes it is unsubstantiated. Your arguement that EQN has nothing to fear because a small portion of the Elder Scrolls fanbase (and it is a small portion) dislike the direction it has taken, whereas EQN has not (primarily given because we have yet to hear of their direction at all, beyond marketing buzz so vague as to not even be tangible) is puzzling. If one company upsets some of it's fans, that does not mean the other company won't do so as well, in fact I can pretty much guarantee some will be upset with EQN (either from reading too much into Smedley's hype machine or it not being a reskinned EQ).
You are right people have been asking for a new EQ title for a long time. However much of that has been asking for a revamp of EQ1...do you think that is what will be arriving? As I have said there is no information, nothing to say whether this game will appeal to their pre existing fanbase or a completely new one. Everquest 2 itself was considered an abomination by many old EQ1 players and even today has barely (if at all?) surpassed it's forebear and both games while popular are not even close to what many gamers now measure as success. You are also overlooking SOEs past with their own products.
Currently I couldn't hazard a guess as to what would perform better, as I have no idea at all what EQN is. I know what TESO is (I may even give it a try depending on release schedules and free time), despite the labeling of the company...if it looks like an MMO, walks like an MMO and talks like an MMO... Hopefully both games will be great, I am a fan of both IPs though to blindly support SOE because they have yet to reveal anything is the very reason so many people get upset on these and other forums, support them by all means but let it be for merit, not because they haven't messed up in your eyes as badly as others...yet.
Support with words costs me nothing. Gamers getting excited about a game also cost nothing and IMO people should get excited about the things they love. Money? Now if they want that support, they gona have to give me a lb of flesh to sink my teeth into =-) Now I didnt ask you what game to support with your cash. I asked what one do you think lends itself to paying off for the fan support looking at the fact we know and history of the companies making the games. My money is on SoE of the two.
I asked what one do you think lends itself to paying off for the fan support looking at the fact we know and history of the companies making the games. My money is on SoE of the two.
I'm looking forward to both however I am holding reservations about EQN as there is nothing beyond the EQ name to it. SOE has itself killed some of it's games in the past through poorly thought out expansions or changes. Whilst I can understand the need for secrecy if it is a new concept, I have a sneaking belief it'll be another disapointment. With SOE hope for the best, expect the worst is something you should hold tight.
So what MMO do you think would be embraced more? My money is EQN will have greater chance at longevity and profit.
Currently TESO. Multiple platforms and I cannot see it not doing well on PC and consoles, despite the vocal few on some of the forums because of the payment model and / or it's design. It also has a larger playerbase from it's IP than EQ (though granted it is a new player in the MMO market).
Though don't get me wrong as a player of EQ I am hopeful, though past experiences with SOE have left me a bit skeptical.
Can you post a link to Smed saying that? What I recollect him saying is that you will see an actual playable version at soe live not a demo, I don't think he said anything about a beta. I think this paraphrasing has grown from playable version (which could mean alpha state) to a release candidate version from people's wishful thinking.
Also I believe it was about 6 months ago that they stated they are incorporating story bricks into the game. To me it would seem it will take much longer than six to nine months to accomplish that given it supposed to completely revamp the entire npc ai system.
"Players will get their hands on an actual release version of what we're doing late [this] year -- and I don't mean a beta," he said.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/smedley-talks-players-as-content-hints-at-eqnext-actual-releas/
And just because we just heard about StoryBricks a few months ago doesn't mean they haven't been actively developting content for EQN since the latest reboot.
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I will be shocked if the game releases this year.
I don't think Sony feels any pressure to release the game shortly after the August presentation. Since it takes years to develop and design an MMO, no one will be able to beat EQN to market with a game containing similar features if they truly are doing something different. Existing games wouldn't have the ability to dramatically change their systems either--you can't suddenly make SWTOR a sandbox. Sony has at least a year if not significantly longer to get the game out without having to worry about someone stealing their game concept.
Speaking of SWTOR, the first screenshots were shown in 2009, which also was when the first beta sign up and testing occurred and the first video trailer came out (June 1, 2009 according to Wikipedia). The game came out 2 and a half years later. Between 2009 and release, there were countless "SWTOR First Impressions" articles. There hasn't been any time to do any of that with EQN. Name me one triple-A MMORPG that went from its first announcement containing concrete information about it, to first screenshots, to beta sign up and testing, to advertising campaign, to release in four months. It's never happened before.
November of 2014 is my guess.
Thing is that this game has been in development since 2009, They did not change the graphics or the core system they changed the method of play.
The hard part is the Core and UI part.
So it is entirely possible and it follows the Planet Side 2 style release very little information then it was released. I do not really remember a beta.
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I think it's a bit of an oversimplification to say "the hard part is the Core and UI part." Once the Core and UI are in place, you still have to build the game. We can guess, but we don't really know to what extent they started over when they 'blew up' (Smedley's words) the original design in late 2010/early 2011. We know they kept the Forcelight Engine, so we can assume they kept most or all of the assets they already designed, but that's still an assumption. So how much of the assets made before the "blow up" did they have to change, rebuild, or create from scratch?
Just off the top of my head: they'd have to completely re-think class balance and itemization to make everything work with the new sandbox concept. That could take ages. They'd have to redesign NPC and enemy AI for the same reason. If they made drastic changes to player housing (almost a certainty if the new concept includes things like player-made cities), that entire component would have to be redone or drastically reworked. They'd have to re-conceptualize their crafting system, perhaps even change or add/remvoe crafting classes, based on how their sandbox concept works. This could all have such a negative effect on their existing PvE assets that THEY would have to be reworked. And I'm probably barely scratching the surface of what had to be changed since I don't design games for a living. One thing is certain: they'd want a LOT of input from beta testers to see what changes worked and didn't work.
You can't compare the next Everquest with Planetside 2 because PS2 isn't an MMORPG. On top of the sandbox component it's probably safe to assume there will be a questing component with group and raid instances in EQN, which Planetside 2 doesn't have. But even if it's a fair comparison, the first official announcement of Planetside 2 that's similar to the upcoming August EQN announcement took place at the Fan Faire in 2011. The game wasn't released for another year and 3 months, which falls right into my November 2014 guesstimate.
I was there was a requirement to know what a game being blackboxed means before coming onto the Everquest Next forums.
Planetside 2 wasn't blackboxed. Everquest Next is using the same graphics engine or whatever (Forgelight) as Planetside 2.
There is no sense to revealing the game (+ playable demo at SOE Live) if the game wasnt close to releasing.
Dave Georgeson said they could have showed Everquest Next at E3 if they wanted to, but they wanted to save it for SOE Live for their fans. And probably so thats its closer to release. The whole point of a blackbox is you think you have something special, so you want to drop all the information and details like a bombshell so the rest of the market is playing catchup.
SOE Live happens August 2nd. EQN closed beta begins August 9th. As a treat to all attendees, they will all be granted access to the closed beta.
Beta happens from August September October November, maybe partway into December, game release late December. that can be over 4 months of beta and still release this year. December 20th, 2013 game releases.
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We actually have more information about a release time frame than anything...
Smedley said... “Players will get their hands on an actual release version of what we’re doing late [this] year – and I don’t mean a beta."
There is no way it will be released this year.
Those who think it will are living in la la dreamland... Look at the lack of any actual data about the game. I know you are rabid fans, and it is impossible for you to be realistic, but be realistic.
I mean that is coming from the horses mouth . So expect it around December at the latest .
They have remained tight lipped about this game to stop the competition from stealing their ideas .
EQN will be so good that we will flock to the game in droves giving them the market share before clones come out from Blizzard & co who stole the limelight from EQ2 with WoW .
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Maybe he means it will be an alpha.