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Guild wars is NOT a MMORPG!
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This toic has come up countless times on every game forum on the web. Everything that can be said on it already has, and the haters generally get owned. I suggest certain people catch up on their reading before spewing more of the same old bs.
The Obsidian Kings
Can I get Phantasy Star Online put on the MMORPG list? Or is that asking too much? How about up and coming PSU for In Development? They are both MMOs and you can/will be able to play them on a PC. Also would adding EQOA be stretching it? Hmmmmm maybe....oh well carry on!
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
So by Instago's opinion, City of Heroes isn't an MMORPG either, then, hm? Their are multiple instances of each zone their too...so it must not be.
Well, good ole Anarchy Online is persistant, you can hunt in same areas as thousands of people if ya want. But they have had <gasp> instanced missions since inception (which I thought was one of their coolest features). Do we need to start a campaign to remove them too? Do we need to fine tooth comb every single game now listed here?? Are we the self appointed mmorpg nazis??
NAY my friends! We need not!!! I have a funny feeling that the Powers That Be(tm) here at MMORPG.com ask themselves that very question before adding a game to the site. And if they say yay, who are we to say nay?? Like was mentioned in the 2nd or 3rd response, if it bugs ya, umm..... don't read the GW forums....
The original poster brings up valid points. But in the end, it's close enough for rock AND roll!!!!
We don't need to limit it to one, but we need to have a definition for all these game types- if a new game comes out, label it 'MMOTBRPG' (TB= turn-based, rest are the same) or what have you. I'd actually prefer to have these types of things, but I don't necessarily know if I'd classify Guild Wars as a MMO, either- just we can always just leave it at game, eh
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Oh, and I've tried Eve Online- I didn't enjoy it much. I did not like the combat system at all which is a large part of the game for me- but everything else was great... if only the combat was better
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Also, I believe I said I wouldn't mind if there are a small number of instances (I believe 10% of the game) but these areas shouldn't be massive areas of the game.
I played in all of the various Guild Wars events, though I haven't picked up the game- and I have some money laying around so that I can go pick up another game or save for some hardware- stuck between so many games though, so little money, so many games ><.
This is crazy. The world of Guild Wars is far more connected than the likes of WoW and others. Guild Wars has multiple servers but theyre all connected to one central one so at any time you can meet up with any one else around the world and quest or pvp. Unlike Wow where if you start a character on one server you cant just switch easily to play with a friend on another. The same goes for Pvp, its all part of the same game so in guild wars everything is more connected.
Say that if you wish, but you also need to say that no matter what, you're questing and adventurering in an instanced area and no matter what you do you can not change the world for yourself, the immediate people around you, and for the world as a whole.
First of all, why the cheery mood? Shouldn't you be hating me, or something
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Lets see, I've already addressed the instanced areas- no, we do not need to start a campaign to remove instances. We do not need to fine tooth come every single game now listed here. For your last question... emm.. if a person wants to be a self appointed MMORPG nazi than let them do it! At least then we'll have a definition for a MMORPG (maybe?)
Who are we to say nay? Well, I assume we are all somewhat educated sentient beings- humans even; well, we can be stupid, so those that be at MMORPG.com should definately not hand over total control of everything to the people, but they should definately read, respond, and defend themselves from attacks such as mine
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I did send them an email by the way- it was a rather short response and said along the lines of "Meh, we says its teh MMORPG!" but definately don't quote them for that
. Thats what I got out of it, and I would see it rude to post the reply here.
I've been carrying a small conversation about this topic on another forum and a good friend of mine, Claymeow, said the following:
Just so that you all have our official position:
We define Guild Wars as an MMORPG because there are areas where hundreds of people interact (the non combative city zones). In these areas people get together to arrange for battles in instanced zones. These areas may not feature combat - but that is not what defines a MMORPG (note we also feature Sims Online, Second Life and other MMO's that do not have combat).
As long as you can interact with tons of people - even if in only a staging area we will define it as "MMO".
I assume the "RPG" part is not debated on guild wars so no need to go there
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I contend that a Washington apple (the fruit) is not really an apple, because McIntosh apples (not the computer, the fruit) are already the standard definition of apple. Therefore to be clear, from now on, all Washington apples will be considered oranges. Oh, Jesus Christ already, it's an MMO. Just because something can grow and evolve doesn't mean it loses its heritage. On the one hand, we have posters on here wishing, hoping, bitching about the lack of creativity within games nowadays. Then when designers give us something different, we bitch its no longer the same thing as the thing we despised.
I completely agree.
We know it's not an MMORPG. NCSoft and ArenaNet both say it isn't.
Stop your "analyses" and get on with it.
Either play the game and enjoy it, or don't play the game.
But please, spare us your insights or complaints, no one cares.
(God you'd think this was politics or something).
Good.
M = massive (it's pretty big)
M = multiplayer (it's clearly multiplayer)
O = online (it's online)
RPG = role-playing game (uh, yeah)
seems to me that despite what anyone else is saying, even the producers of the game, Guild Wars is a MMORPG.
I love it when folks argue over opinions
why is this thread so long? whats it matter? I still havnt figured that out. All I can get out of this thread is each individual trying to profess that their opinion of what a mmorp is..is right and the other guy is wrong
isn't the real issue that guild wars may be mis-represented by being on an mmorpg fan site and possibly getting a lower review than it deserves by the members of this forum?
look at the user reviews and go scratch her heads about this whole debate..
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I wish we could instance the bathroom at work. Just imagine that every time you walk into the bathroom you don't have to smell another human taking a poop! If Guild Wars was so cool, they'd work on an instanced public bathroom.
Until then I'll stick to classic MMORPGs, like Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man.
PEE WEE HERMAN FOREVER!
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First of I'd like to request that if you haven't read all of this thread, do not post, and secondly, do not post with the intention of flaming. I am telling you to read the entire thread because in the last several posts before this one there are questions being asked that I have already answered. I am telling you to not post with the intention of flaming because I am seeing many posts that are similar to 'who cares,' 'who gives,' 'why does it matter,' 'wow umm sure have ur opinion but like dude... either play the game or not it is that simple.'
If you don't have something constructive to say, don't say it at all.
Let's just insert Diablo 2 and make some minor modifications:
We define Diablo 2 as an MMORPG because there are areas where hundreds of people interact (the chat rooms). In these areas people get together to arrange for battles in game rooms. These areas may not feature combat - but that is not what defines a MMORPG...
So, I have another question- if Guild Wars is a MMORPG, why isn't Diablo 2 listed on this website? Can anyone answer this for me, please?
From here on in I will not answer any questions that have already been answered nor will I tell the user where this answer is listed- if the user wants to know my opinion and my answer, then he or she must look for it on his or her own. Keep in mind that if I do not answer your question it is not because I am avoiding it, but it is merely because I have already answered it and do not wish to carry on the conversation with people who are not up to date with all that has been said.
Everything is opinion and without opinion there would be nothing. What is even more sad is when people need to argue over 'facts.' Here is some support that without opinion there would be nothing:
The president is alive (opinion- why? because it is opinion defines the words in the sentence)
I love the president! <insert reason> (opinion)
I hate the president! <insert reason> (opinion)
There is no life without conflict and opinions <--- and that, right there, is an opinion. Everything is opinion.
Interacting in a chat room does not count. You will see specifically in our requirements that we do not consider text, MUD or browser based games MMORPG's - so if you could convert Diablo II into an avatar based lounge area where people could interact before embarking on adventures - yes we would list the game.
As far as MMORPG.com is concerned this is a MMORPG and frankly that is all that counts for THIS site. We are not saying that other MMORPG-based sites should list it - but we are - and that is that.
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
Interacting is the same as interacting regardless of a visual avatar or not- the underlying concept is the same. Alright- lets give D2 a simple graphical avatar-based area that can only be used for chatting and moving characters about this area, is it now a MMORPG?
Instago - don't pick a fight you won't win.
The problem I see with defining GW as an MMORPG is that it is clearly misleading. GW is not a MMORGP and shouldn't be advertised as one. Hint hint - advertising is the name of the game.
LMAO
He looks like he is correct!
Go play it or drop the subject
Guild Wars has most of the traits of a mmorpg except outside the city its oly u and ur party, which is good i reckon.
It is a MMOG and it is a Role Playing game.
But honestly, who gives a S.hit if is a mmorpg or not, Its an awesome game full stop. I dont see the point of debating over an issue which doesnt even matter.
- MMORPG.COM Staff -
The dead know only one thing: it is better to be alive.
Seeing as the FAQs say rather than labeling Guild Wars an MMORPG, we prefer to call it a CORPG (Competitive Online Role-Playing Game) so therefore it doesnt seem to be a traditional MMOG.
Anyway MMORPG.com can be a place for MMOGs and CORPGs, CORPGs being the new type.
I've seen plenty of roleplaying guilds in this game. Try telling them it's not a mmorpg and you'll get laughed at!