I recall following The Secret World for a long time and, was quite enthusiastic about it. Then they announced their business model, box + subscription fee + cash shop. I and many other followers quit following and never looked back. No matter how great the game is, I personally will not support this type of cash grab.
I am sure the business model will change, just as Funcom did with TSW, but neither TSW or ESO would never get a penny from me.
Had a glaring typo there. People play Elder Scrolls on Pc, some on console, but the HUGE majority is on PC my friend.
Nope, sales figures clearly show that Skyrim and Oblivion sold the most copies on XBOX 360... my friend. PC was the lowest selling platform for the games, around 15% of total sales. Read something before trying to put others down with your made up facts.
Check every video games sales statistics site on the internet, they all say the same thing. You will not find one source that says Skyrim and Oblivion sold more on PC. Deny it all you like.. but you're still wrong.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Cash shop is not a problem UNTIL they start selling weapons, xp pots and/or other "game enhancements". I am totally good to go with the sub payment model but will keep an eye on that shop thing.
Originally posted by Jaychi72 I think the whole raid thing is the fact that people like to do content with a larger number of friends/guild mates. And the fact that there is factions, people don't like to get grieved while trying to do so. Hence raids/instanced raids. Plus the lewt.
It's by far more about the exclusive loot than it is about coordinating with other players. If they had a choice to do raids or solo quests for the exact same loot, most would likely never even touch the raids.
I recall following The Secret World for a long time and, was quite enthusiastic about it. Then they announced their business model, box + subscription fee + cash shop. I and many other followers quit following and never looked back. No matter how great the game is, I personally will not support this type of cash grab.
I am sure the business model will change, just as Funcom did with TSW, but neither TSW or ESO would never get a penny from me.
You have it backwards, subscription models are not cash grabs, neither is a cash shop that only offers things like name and server changes. It's the F2P cash shops that have ruined the entire genre. I'm glad freeloaders aren't going to play this game. I had never seen so many vocally abrasive players till I came across F2P games and the last thing I want to do is subsidize them in any game I'm interested in playing.
I do not consider vgchartz factual - i can cite a few mmos from last year where vgchartz is dead wrong
but I'll take Todd Howards opinion of the ES franchise, prelaunch, that Skyrim sold better on consoles
Of course there would be more console sales, there are more console gamers. The problem is that the industry thinks they can start writing us PC gamers off as inconsequential in the money making equation as they strive for the console market. More and more PC games both single and multiplayer are embracing console design and control paradigms and completely overlooking or obtusely ignoring the reason why we have two platforms in the first place.
What is it with people and them having to absolutely have raids? I don't understand why this is such a huge topic to begin with. WoW literally revolutionizes the way raiding works and now people act like you can't have a game without it. THERE ARE OPEN RAID ZONES. DO SOME RESEARCH.
Trials of Atlantis (Dark Age of Camelot) raid zones. That's what it is going to be. All of you crybabies are going to get your raids, it just won't look exactly like the raids that you are accustomed to.
Jesus, they change how something works and it completely throws all of you people off.
Blizzard didn't create raiding with World of Warcraft, far from it. Raiding has existed at least since the original Everquest, wouldn't surprise me if it was a part of Ultima Online even before.
And, what's wrong with raiding being important to a player? I don't understand your attitude here. What, they should play games that don't have content they want?
Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall
I recall following The Secret World for a long time and, was quite enthusiastic about it. Then they announced their business model, box + subscription fee + cash shop. I and many other followers quit following and never looked back. No matter how great the game is, I personally will not support this type of cash grab.
I am sure the business model will change, just as Funcom did with TSW, but neither TSW or ESO would never get a penny from me.
You have it backwards, subscription models are not cash grabs, neither is a cash shop that only offers things like name and server changes. It's the F2P cash shops that have ruined the entire genre. I'm glad freeloaders aren't going to play this game. I had never seen so many vocally abrasive players till I came across F2P games and the last thing I want to do is subsidize them in any game I'm interested in playing.
[mod edit]. I personally prefer subscription based games and avoid f2p games.
In my opinion Box sales + Subscription + Cash Shop = Cash grab. I don't support this type of model and refuse to spend money with companies that do this. It's called principles.
In the article it stated that the cash shop would also include "fun things" makes me wonder.
dont you guys like to be paid for the work you do?
just curious, because last time i looked, money did not grow on trees, and if your going for quality gaming, your going to have to pay.
in regards to box price, plus sub, whats wrong with that? seriously, box fee, pays for the workers efforst making the game,. and get some cash flow in to start additional content. GAMES ARE NOT CHEAPLY MADE.
subs, give you all the content of the game, and if your rich enough or care enough , you can buy fluff at a item shop.
not everyone who frequents these boards is poor, and 12 bucks a month for quality gameing is not bad considering thats about the cost of a six pack of beer, or a mickey of cheap rum , either which can be polished off within an hour or two, lol.
Cash shop is not a problem UNTIL they start selling weapons, xp pots and/or other "game enhancements". I am totally good to go with the sub payment model but will keep an eye on that shop thing.
So exactly what does my subscription pay for then?
Box fee covers the development costs.
Service fees cover name changes and the like.
Cash shop covers that extra revenue.
Subscription covers needing to generate even more revenue?
I'm laughing at people that say, I love subscriptions so cash shops in subscriptions are good. I hate f2p so cash shops are bad in f2p. Is that really where p2p people are right now? No wonder game publishers pull the shtuff they do. P2P gamers will throw money at anything as long as they're renting it.
Guess you have never played many of the GOOD sub model that were out there. To name a few, EVE Online and LOTRO (pre-f2p) had excellent sub models that provided SERVICE and CONTENT for that cost of that sub. It could be argue that LOTRO did not give enough content and that is why their numbers ultimately fell off (leading to conversion to f2p).
My point is, I am all for a game that provides MORE for my sub then I can get in a so-called "f2p" title. I am for a game that will offer MORE for my sub then an over blown cash shop. If this MMO does not deliver that then I DO NOT NEED TO STAY. As a regularly paying customer I expect...no demand more for my subscription dollars.
Cash shop is not a problem UNTIL they start selling weapons, xp pots and/or other "game enhancements". I am totally good to go with the sub payment model but will keep an eye on that shop thing.
So exactly what does my subscription pay for then?
Box fee covers the development costs.
Service fees cover name changes and the like.
Cash shop covers that extra revenue.
Subscription covers needing to generate even more revenue?
I'm laughing at people that say, I love subscriptions so cash shops in subscriptions are good. I hate f2p so cash shops are bad in f2p. Is that really where p2p people are right now? No wonder game publishers pull the shtuff they do. P2P gamers will throw money at anything as long as they're renting it.
You are forgetting further content development. And an item shop that only has services and vanity items isnt going to bring in that much more revenue.
To many people are entitled anymore. If ESO was F2P with an item shop what then? Blocked off content unless you paid out the nose every 5-10 levels. What about B2P? The initial sales would go toward recouping dev costs and a little left for content and as we see with GW2 that extra content would be pretty low quality.
The fact is P2P is really the only way to go still yet for an MMO wanting to be more than a fly by cash in. I dont care bout the vanity / service shop just like I didnt when I played WoW or EQ2 pre f2p. It isnt required and isnt going to block off any meaningful content.
People will bend over and take anything it seems now days. First it was p2p makes it a quality game even though every sub game in the last 5 years hasn't been a quality game. Now it's p2p + cash shop is ok because...why ? I can't figure out how ppl are ok with this.
I am honestly wondering whether anybody is actually considering playing this game or not.
Box price + sub fee + cash shop for a mediocode MMO from what we have seen looks like a big scam to me.
ROFL...This is the kind of BS post which made me go to gamescom to look for my self, you should of gone too then you would of realised they on the money for the franchise. Personally I don't give a shit if you play it or not. Just to let you know after meeting with the dervs and getting my questions answered and playing the game three times I'm buying and playing the game so you know ok pal!!!
Thank god they going to be charging a monthly fee as that will keep the idiots away who are as tight as ducks asses with their money and keep the community feeling which F2P models fail to have.
I'm also unsure what you mean by a (WARNING TYPO ALERT!!!) mediocode MMO, have you tried it yet? If not wtf you on about and prey tell the type of game you play which stands head and shoulders above this game model I'd love to know.
Also I'm not sure why you are using the term WE, as you do not represent the community which I saw at gamescom. Just to let you know they were getting around 2100 players a day trying the game and turned away thousands more so you my friend are the only one not playing it from what I seen. More fool you for acting like a dick.
Dunno why you think it's a scam as the cash shop will be for players to change your name ect and not for in game items...
So I hope that clears up your concerns and I suggest you go do some research before trolling like you did. Oh and I look forward to not seeing you in game...
Originally posted by morbuskabis If I play a Game that I buy with sub fee I expect server transfer, change char name and stuff like this to be free. That it dosen't get out of hand they can offer this service once a month or every second month, but it got to be for free. This is the service I pay for with the sub. Good com management, stable server, hunting cheaters and goldfarmers down and ofcorse server transfer and name changes. There is NO need for a "cash shop" at all!
Hmm please name one game which offers those services for free. If it's Wow then I don't know that as I've never played it.
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I recall following The Secret World for a long time and, was quite enthusiastic about it. Then they announced their business model, box + subscription fee + cash shop. I and many other followers quit following and never looked back. No matter how great the game is, I personally will not support this type of cash grab.
I am sure the business model will change, just as Funcom did with TSW, but neither TSW or ESO would never get a penny from me.
http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415
Check every video games sales statistics site on the internet, they all say the same thing. You will not find one source that says Skyrim and Oblivion sold more on PC. Deny it all you like.. but you're still wrong.
Cash shop is not a problem UNTIL they start selling weapons, xp pots and/or other "game enhancements". I am totally good to go with the sub payment model but will keep an eye on that shop thing.
Let's party like it is 1863!
It's by far more about the exclusive loot than it is about coordinating with other players. If they had a choice to do raids or solo quests for the exact same loot, most would likely never even touch the raids.
You have it backwards, subscription models are not cash grabs, neither is a cash shop that only offers things like name and server changes. It's the F2P cash shops that have ruined the entire genre. I'm glad freeloaders aren't going to play this game. I had never seen so many vocally abrasive players till I came across F2P games and the last thing I want to do is subsidize them in any game I'm interested in playing.
Of course there would be more console sales, there are more console gamers. The problem is that the industry thinks they can start writing us PC gamers off as inconsequential in the money making equation as they strive for the console market. More and more PC games both single and multiplayer are embracing console design and control paradigms and completely overlooking or obtusely ignoring the reason why we have two platforms in the first place.
Blizzard didn't create raiding with World of Warcraft, far from it. Raiding has existed at least since the original Everquest, wouldn't surprise me if it was a part of Ultima Online even before.
And, what's wrong with raiding being important to a player? I don't understand your attitude here. What, they should play games that don't have content they want?
Have played: Everquest, Asheron's Call, Horizons, Everquest2, World of Warcraft, Lord of the Rings Online, Warhammer, Age of Conan, Darkfall
[mod edit]. I personally prefer subscription based games and avoid f2p games.
In my opinion Box sales + Subscription + Cash Shop = Cash grab. I don't support this type of model and refuse to spend money with companies that do this. It's called principles.
In the article it stated that the cash shop would also include "fun things" makes me wonder.
[mod edit]
http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415
I was totally ok with the sub model.
But having a sub, an in game store and a retail price tag to get the game is just total BS
man pick a model, dont just add every fricken revenue stream possible.
Generally the sub model creates a more immersive game and a level playing field, cash shop takes away from that.
No interest in playing a game that has a box price, a sub and fricken "buy now" bottons in game as well.
dont you guys like to be paid for the work you do?
just curious, because last time i looked, money did not grow on trees, and if your going for quality gaming, your going to have to pay.
in regards to box price, plus sub, whats wrong with that? seriously, box fee, pays for the workers efforst making the game,. and get some cash flow in to start additional content. GAMES ARE NOT CHEAPLY MADE.
subs, give you all the content of the game, and if your rich enough or care enough , you can buy fluff at a item shop.
not everyone who frequents these boards is poor, and 12 bucks a month for quality gameing is not bad considering thats about the cost of a six pack of beer, or a mickey of cheap rum
, either which can be polished off within an hour or two, lol.
over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting...
Guess you have never played many of the GOOD sub model that were out there. To name a few, EVE Online and LOTRO (pre-f2p) had excellent sub models that provided SERVICE and CONTENT for that cost of that sub. It could be argue that LOTRO did not give enough content and that is why their numbers ultimately fell off (leading to conversion to f2p).
My point is, I am all for a game that provides MORE for my sub then I can get in a so-called "f2p" title. I am for a game that will offer MORE for my sub then an over blown cash shop. If this MMO does not deliver that then I DO NOT NEED TO STAY. As a regularly paying customer I expect...no demand more for my subscription dollars.
Let's party like it is 1863!
You are forgetting further content development. And an item shop that only has services and vanity items isnt going to bring in that much more revenue.
To many people are entitled anymore. If ESO was F2P with an item shop what then? Blocked off content unless you paid out the nose every 5-10 levels. What about B2P? The initial sales would go toward recouping dev costs and a little left for content and as we see with GW2 that extra content would be pretty low quality.
The fact is P2P is really the only way to go still yet for an MMO wanting to be more than a fly by cash in. I dont care bout the vanity / service shop just like I didnt when I played WoW or EQ2 pre f2p. It isnt required and isnt going to block off any meaningful content.
People need to get over it.
Close to 20$ (12.99 EUR) in sub + "Fun items" shop, items you should be getting with such high sub.
I'm not going to play Elder Screws Online even if it goes F2P after this.
Too bad, they could of have my 80$ for the box, like GW2, but now they're not getting anything at all ^__^
ROFL...This is the kind of BS post which made me go to gamescom to look for my self, you should of gone too then you would of realised they on the money for the franchise. Personally I don't give a shit if you play it or not. Just to let you know after meeting with the dervs and getting my questions answered and playing the game three times I'm buying and playing the game so you know ok pal!!!
Thank god they going to be charging a monthly fee as that will keep the idiots away who are as tight as ducks asses with their money and keep the community feeling which F2P models fail to have.
I'm also unsure what you mean by a (WARNING TYPO ALERT!!!) mediocode MMO, have you tried it yet? If not wtf you on about and prey tell the type of game you play which stands head and shoulders above this game model I'd love to know.
Also I'm not sure why you are using the term WE, as you do not represent the community which I saw at gamescom. Just to let you know they were getting around 2100 players a day trying the game and turned away thousands more so you my friend are the only one not playing it from what I seen. More fool you for acting like a dick.
Dunno why you think it's a scam as the cash shop will be for players to change your name ect and not for in game items...
So I hope that clears up your concerns and I suggest you go do some research before trolling like you did. Oh and I look forward to not seeing you in game...
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Hmm please name one game which offers those services for free. If it's Wow then I don't know that as I've never played it.
Asbo
This is exactly the way i feel and I applaud you for having principles.
I so wanted to play TSW then Funcom did the same thing Box + Sub + Cash shop. I never looked back .
I waited for years to play Diablo 3 then they installed that punitive DRM, I never bought it and never will.
I am sure they make millions, but I am proud to say not a penny of mine were included in their millions.
http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415