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That escalated rather quickly...
It's a philosophical quandary.
Either way, these are my observations and because of aforementioned reasons I just cannot stomach shelling out any amount of cash for a game I might/will quickly stray from only to go back to World of Warcraft.
I guess I am wondering why did you even bother creating a long winded, uninformed thread?
And this is why I was torn with putting this in the general discussion threads versus the review section. I figured because of the layout it would instantly get flagged to be moved to the review section.
I do love your scenarios here though but I am not really trying to review the game. I am giving my obeservation and how they balance to that with my time in World of Warcraft so that the reader might draw a different conclusion that might bring about something I did not previously consider.
In the end: Someone had to pair up a WoW vs. FFARR post. Might as well be an MMORPG luminary like myself.
Your problem is over a decade of playing WOW. You have the dreaded "WOW dark cloud" always hanging over your head. Every game you play, you compare it to WOW. You are stuck on WOW, and like a jilted lover, you just can't let it go. This is not healthy for you. If you really want to move on and begin enjoying other games, you need to make a proactive stance and put WOW behind you. This is nothing against WOW per se. It is more a case of being harmed by the long length of time playing one MMORPG. There are many others in your same situation. I am certain you have read their posts in every single MMORPG that is released. They compare, shoot down the newly released game without giving it a fair chance, and then grudginly admit they will be going back to their long love, even though that long love is abusing them mentally. You should not dismiss this advice lightly. If you think it through with an objective mind, you will find there is truth in what I speak.
First hand experience does not mean I am uninformed. Ill-Informed perhaps and if that is the case please do correct me!
What credibility is needed to offer an opinion on a game that you've tried? Besides taking the time to write a detailed impression of a game lends far more to a posters credibility than a disclaimer stating "this is just one opinion". Not to mention the attempts to discredit that opinion later in the thread (which does marvelously for ones own "credibility").
Agree..Disagree with the OP that's what forums are for...I as example disagree with the OP (in terms of the games polish, outside of server related issues). Yet I feel no need to attempt to discredit the OP's credibility because of that disagreement. Is this how all who do not conform will be treated?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm there with you on all of those points. I'm 50/22/20(jap server) on my main right now but I already feel that there won't be much character customization regardless. If you want to do well at a certain thing there will be a certain job set you will use. The extra abilities are just way more noticeable right now because not many people have had the time to grind them out.
The speed stat I am well aware of, but you have to gear/allocate specifically for it.
I'm most worried that anyone could say that its a better game than WoW in any regard. That is just ignorance.
Actually...somewhat right but mostly wrong.
I've propped many MMOs on pedadtels pre-their release. I was super hyped about TSW and then GW2. I compared them as well and it seemed at the time that they came out on top. Inevitably I fell back to WoW. I would like to think they were because of the reasons I listed above and not because I am in some strange domestic abusive relationship.
Those observations will be way more accurate once you actually PLAY the game. Give it a fair try and then decide. Only then your review will have more credibility.
Again, it's only 30 bucks, it's not a 200 dollars CE.
I usually try not to wade into the WoW waters. Simply because I don't have a lot of experience in that game. But I am glad we can "agree to disagree".
I was in the WoW Beta and leveled a dwarf cleric to max. But when release came, I just didn't feel the same about it. I think for me, I just didn't want to go through the same content over again. Which is indicative of any MMO (Final Fantasy not withstanding in some ways). Final Fantasy thinly disguises hunting logs and fates as something other than quests. But for some reason, I really don't mind it when it comes to leveling the alternate classes.
It is hard for me to pinpoint what I dislike about WoW. It's just a game that I don't find enjoyable.
He felt that his whole life was some kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.
- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
First hand experience does not mean I am uninformed. Ill-Informed perhaps and if that is the case please do correct me!
Well for starters, you made no mention of crafting, gathering, spirit bonding, materia, and how that drives the games economy, retainers and chocobo battle customization. Thats just off the top of my head. All of the things I mentioned are either missing completely from WoW or are vastly different and most of which are quite innovative.
But I think if you had mentioned those aspects, it would have hurt the overall point of your original post. So maybe that is why you either ignored them or lack the in game experience to comment.
Which brings me back to why bother with this thread when it is a quite narrow point of view with little experience. You must have known going in that there would be considerable backlash from people who know more about the game than you do. Hence your disclaimer which basically discredits most of what you wrote.
Reading your posts and playing it a while I'm pretty sure FFARR is far far away from being the game that will pull you from WoW and make you play it for years. It has NOTHING over WoW except modern graphics, which alone is non factor anyway (art style is far more important) when it comes to longetivity.
I know it's in the review section but at it's heart it really is not a review so I did not cover everything. I was never huge into the crafting/gathering scene so it would not be of any interest for me to give my point of view.
This isn't really a review and perhaps I should have added that in the disclaimer. I don't know what this is: An open source think tank revolving around my cry for help? ;D ..
But I figured if I put it in the general forums it would have simply been moved because it looks and almost reads like a review.
Can you be more specific to offering nothing over World of Warcraft other than modern graphics or is that just extremely accurate?
Give it a little more thought, and you will eventually change that "somewhat right" to "mostly right."
If you like WOW, there is no reason you shouldn't like FF:ARR. It does a lot of what WOW does, and more. I am not going to go into a long diatribe about the great things offered by FF:ARR. Let's just say it has that "something" that will keep it around for a long time. It has a friendly appeal, immersion, and depth. How can it not have depth when it allows one to do everything with one character. The character customization comes with time. This is an old school MMORPG. The grind is not in the levels. It is in the character customization. Imagine the pool of abilities that will be available to you once you have acquired all of the various jobs. This is when you have the potential to shine in building your own unique build.
Listen, I have a very active imagination. So perhaps that's what is required with this game. The key word with FF:ARR for me is depth. It has it by the load full, but only if you can think outside the box. I have also become a huge fan of Yoshi P. IMHO, he is probably the best MMORPG Dev on the planet. With his leadership and direction, if FF:ARR isn't already one of the better MMORPG's on the market, it definitely has the potential to be in time. You can free yourself from your addiction to WOW. I have faith in you.
As with most tenured MMO's WoW had a certain spark to it at the start. The difficulty of the content (blizz says less than 2% of wow players saw naxx in vanilla) and the way pvp ranking worked lent to a virtual world full of hungry people. Gated content used to be a staple of an MMO. Seeing someone who was more badass than you was a huge motivation for lots of people.
... Because the OP is struggling in an attempting to justify leaving WOW for FF:ARR. Only by thinking it out loud, via a forum post, and receiving critical input from others, can this be confirmed. It is obvious that the OP has not given FF:ARR a fair chance. The OP does not want to give it a fair chance. Too many years in WOW to leave it all behind and start all over again. There is a comfort level in WOW for the OP. Not unlike a relationship, there is an emotional bond there. There is a sense of relief by openly claiming, "I see all the excitement FF:ARR is getting, I have given it a look, even though I did not delve deep into it I refuse to believe it is better than WOW, so I'm going back to WOW" ... /huge sense of relief.
There is a reason WOW was so openly referred to in this thread. Free yourself.
Dismiss this advise at your own peril.
Hey...my imagination is in check and on full throttle at least once a week during my DnD group game nights, thank you very muchly!
I am uncertain of the game's depth so I gave no opinion either way.
I would rather that the points I have already made be countered instead of going into some tangent in a way that makes it feel like I said something against FFARR's depth. It's ok to point me towards the depth as I would consider it a good start towards building a personal positive for the game but I would prefer if someone said something within the realm of "Oh that invisible border to the shore in Western Thanalan? Yeah, they took that out. You can totally swim in that now"...Because being able to explore the world is a really big passion of mine.
OP... The first step in recovery is admitting to the addiction. Break the chain's... it's ok
pass the cookies and the tissue's
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
great write up....but I am just burnt to a crisp on WoW
Anything new that is polished and not a grab your cash game is good for me right now
STAHP! XD
I left WoW for 8 months where much of that time was devoted to trying to figure myself into GW2. I begrudgingly went back to WoW but after a week of getting back into the grove of things I enjoyed the storyline but my eyes are still always wandering.
My partner would totally disagree about my WoW addiction. I phase in and out of that game with some really long hiatus'. I have been tagged as having MMO wanderlust. Yes, WoW is the one I always go back to in the end....but it's not without effort that I try and break this pattern.
I can easily refute each one of your claims. I simply choose not to, for fear that I will validate them. But since you bring up the invisible walls ... it's a non-issue. Every MMORPG has walls. There will always come a point, in every MMORPG, in which you will not be allowed to go further. You may have to travel for awhile, witnessing nothing but a mindless empty desert, but you know it's there. All FF:ARR does is eliminate the mindless empty desert. Every nook and cranny of FF:ARRs landscape is filled with action. It is alive. It is fun. The world is also huge. You don't believe me? Try it. That is all I will say. I feel I have contributed enough to your thread so I will leave it at that. Have fun with WOW ... and I mean that.
FFARR is so full of invisible walls it's not even funny. Not just the standard world ones that block areas. "Oh look what an interesting tunnel I wonder where it leads... oh what!? can't even enter although I see far inside..." One of the things I'm less and less happy to see in a game.
/cringe
This is such a big deal for me as well I added an 'Extras" section to cover it. EQNext will allow me to dig several layers of subterranean down...and the world looks beautifully rendered. But will it play as smoothly as FFARR. This question I dread.
My comment was about mechanics. Not content.
Op made post. Poster called into question OPs post. Op then said "but how about my opinions?". I explained that many could view the opinions as invalid because of OPs statements. (OPs bias) I then gave an example of a different situation to elaborate.
Opinions formed with bias are by definition 1 sided. Not to be viewed objectively. Making the question of "How about my biased opinions?" an exercise in futility.