Originally posted by xAPOCx All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.
What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but they have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.
Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.
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"Venomous mouths"... This seems like the previous disappointment I was talking about in which case not getting excited about stated features is a good thing. There are cases in which you are correct.
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Originally posted by xAPOCx All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.
Personally speaking...
I seem to remember playing EQ 1 when it launched but didn't play it for long. I am in no way an SOE whore or blinded by some deep seated love in either direction for SOE. I do not hate or hope for any failure for any company. I do not lose faith simply because of some childish obstinance.
I simply state, based on what has been shown so far, that I believe they deserve all the plaudits they are receiveing.
Why?
Because what has been shown so far I believe WILL change the entire MMO landscape. I believe sincerely that some of the foundations shown so far are going to be as game changing as moving from a 2D top down isometric view to a 3D over the shoulder world was so many years ago.
There really is no conspiracy here. People are totally free to like something and you are totally free to dislike it. Just stop repeatedly bringing up the same argument over and over expecting to get a different response.
Originally posted by xAPOCx All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.
What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but that have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.
Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.
You're right. Smeds is a voice and not a dev. Who is he the voice for? Hes the voice for the suits on the top floor and a voice for every prospective investor. So in essences, Smeds is a salesman. And what do salesmen do? They do whatever they can to make the sale ( including lying ) And what happens when people lie? People don't trust them. At this point in time SOE has made a huge claim that EQN will be the biggest sandbox game ever made. Can we really trust this when it was Smeds himself that uttered these words?
Hopeful optimism is fine when coupled together with healthy skepticism.
Originally posted by xAPOCx All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.
What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but that have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.
Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.
You're right. Smeds is a voice and not a dev. Who is he the voice for? Hes the voice for the suits on the top floor and a voice for every prospective investor. So in essences, Smeds is a salesman. And what do salesmen do? They do whatever they can to make the sale ( including lying ) And what happens when people lie? People don't trust them. At this point in time SOE has made a huge claim that EQN will be the biggest sandbox game ever made. Can we really trust this when it was Smeds himself that uttered these words?
Hopeful optimism is fine when coupled together with healthy skepticism.
What is there to be skeptical about? It is well known that good games make more money than bad ones. The game is free to play, so there is no "Trust". Everyone can try it before investing in it. They don't offer free samples of gross food at a store. A game that starts off as free to play will sink or swim on it's own merrits, not by one man's word.
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Originally posted by xAPOCx All I'm saying is there seems to be this over whelming trust for a company that for the lack of a better word, "fisted" Its loyal fan base on more then one occasion. SOE has not done anything yet to warrant such trust. And who is the ringleader? Fucking Smeds. The king all all deceivers. So my advice to everyone is be excited about EQN if you chose to be. Just show some healthy skepticism.
What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but that have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.
Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.
You're right. Smeds is a voice and not a dev. Who is he the voice for? Hes the voice for the suits on the top floor and a voice for every prospective investor. So in essences, Smeds is a salesman. And what do salesmen do? They do whatever they can to make the sale ( including lying ) And what happens when people lie? People don't trust them. At this point in time SOE has made a huge claim that EQN will be the biggest sandbox game ever made. Can we really trust this when it was Smeds himself that uttered these words?
Hopeful optimism is fine when coupled together with healthy skepticism.
If you have been eating rice for 10 years and someone offers you a sirloin steak, mushrooms, big fat chips and a cold beer to wash it all down of course you are going to get excited.
Yes the game deserves all the hype it has received. The idea's that have come forward are going to change the future of the genre even if EQN doesn't work out too well. The idea's of a totally interactive environment alone is worth all the praise let alone all the other things coming.
i like SOE games and I think SOE will release EQN successfully
but the last time I heard the steak analogy was Age of Conan
Even though I really want to play EQN and like the art style I am pissed off they mislead the public prior to SOE Live. They made it sound the game was just around the corner and beta testing was immeninet. All we got was crumbs of actual game play and a bunch of promises.
Originally posted by Aelious Innocent until proven guilty so yes, until they don't deliver I'll take them at their word. With that in mind, yes, EQN is something unseen and reaches further into an "MMORPG" than any title seen or known. These are some points that accomplish this IMO:
* Smooth, voxel based world (build/break/explore layers down * Game updates that are built by the players * NPC AI (likes/dislikes/natural migration) * Horizontal and vertical progression that is exploration based * Gathering based on world material, not nodes
These are some but not all. I hope they pull it off.
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I'm going back to your original response and address it's extreme faultiness .
The person your responding to with your analogy would take you at your word that you had 70 acres of good land for sale until he sees the land has it tested and see your a conman then either walk away or inform the cops if the scam is bad enough.
This is perfectly reasonable unlike your responses thus far.
As is my attitude of not making judgements either way till proof is given to support any judgement.
The only thing I can judge so far are the graphics shown and the movement system ,to me they are fine so far.Everything else was a limited tech demo or just words so far.
The only thing I can judge so far are the graphics shown and the movement system ,to me they are fine so far.Everything else was a limited tech demo or just words so far.
Exactly. We have graphics shown and the movement system - which, I agree, are okay. But what exactly was there shown to live up to Ten Ton and Massively's hype?
Well, nothing. All that hype was over nothing shown. It doesn't say anything about EQN, which may be fine game on its own. But it says a lot about Ten Ton and Massively.
In my opinion if there was any credibility in those sites, there is absolutely none after that hype train. *shrug* not that I thought they were credible.
Originally posted by Grahor Originally posted by Drakynn
The only thing I can judge so far are the graphics shown and the movement system ,to me they are fine so far.Everything else was a limited tech demo or just words so far.Exactly. We have graphics shown and the movement system - which, I agree, are okay. But what exactly was there shown to live up to Ten Ton and Massively's hype?
Well, nothing. All that hype was over nothing shown. It doesn't say anything about EQN, which may be fine game on its own. But it says a lot about Ten Ton and Massively.
In my opinion if there was any credibility in those sites, there is absolutely none after that hype train. *shrug* not that I thought they were credible.
Yeah because there wasn't videos showing destructibility, voxel physics and time lapse buildouts, right? There was more than graphics and movement shown. Not enough info to my liking but still let's tell the whole truth.
I was one of the guys most loudly saying Bill Murphy and the TenTonHammer guys were playing all-or-nothing with their credibility on this.
I have to say I think they were justified.
The constructability/destructability is absolutely ground-breaking.
The AI and procedural content generation MAY be as well, although we can all agree it's just a bunch of promises without even a demo yet.
Rallying calls and multi-classing are not "grail worthy" to me, but I do find the predominantely horizontal progression system to at least be novel and intriguing.
Originally posted by Aelious Yeah because there wasn't videos showing destructibility, voxel physics and time lapse buildouts, right? There was more than graphics and movement shown. Not enough info to my liking but still let's tell the whole truth.
We've seen destructibility and voxel physics in a tech demo not how they will be used and implemented in the final game.You can judge the tech demo if you want but not the final game.
The artstyle though is what they've decided on there may be changes to different models but it is what they've decided they want to use so that is judgeable.
The fact that there will be a parkour movement system is a known,the animation may be improved and it's mechancis may change with more classes but it's nto gonna effect someone's judgement that they don't want a parkour system in their fantasy MMORPG,so that is judgeable on a don't want/want basis.
Originally posted by Piiritus I think that I'd liked EQN version they scrapped 2 years ago much more. This Disney and parkour crap makes me puke. Sorry.
The graphics are probably recycled from the scrapped version.
I would say they just changed the gameplay direction - themepark into sandbox.
The technology for the voxel destruction is shown to work tech demo or not, which goes beyond being just an idea. The implementation is a design decision just like the movement aspects and final graphics/graphical options for that matter lol.
It's all still too much in the air but more has been shown to work than graphics and movement which was my point. If we want to compare the tech demo to what may be in EQN I'd say nothing is exactly final.
Not even close. IMHO those two sources revealed just how biased they are and why they were the ones who got the sneak peeks in the first place. Unless you think cartoony graphics and unfounded promises regarding AI and rallying calls are enough to call EQN the next best thing.
The technology for the voxel destruction is shown to work tech demo or not, which goes beyond being just an idea. The implementation is a design decision just like the movement aspects and final graphics/graphical options for that matter lol.
It's all still too much in the air but more has been shown to work than graphics and movement which was my point. If we want to compare the tech demo to what may be in EQN I'd say nothing is exactly final.
I am guessing you already know this but you just want to feed the trolls, so I'll bite as a non troll responding to you with real world development experience in the industry. What you got to see was not "working" how you are trying to make it sound. What we saw was a SMALL zone, with CONTROLLED VARIABLES, and no AI.
What changes is when you add all the NPC's in with their AI, players, all the data and everything else that goes with making a large scale mmo. Once that happens, that's when you really see what works and what doesn't. That is why most idea's get scrapped after announcing them. So while the guy you are responding to is obviously a hater of the game, you are not being exactly honest either.
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The technology for the voxel destruction is shown to work tech demo or not, which goes beyond being just an idea.
The tehnology for voxel destruction was used in the games regularly since 2005 at least, may be much earlier. Vangers, great little game, used voxel-based fully destructionable terrain, and they did it great.
Oh, and they had procedurally-generated terrain with noise maps and hand-designed objects on top of that, if I remember correctly.
And they've done at least 2 more games, I think, since then, where whole gameplay was based on destructible voxel terrain, both multiplayer games.
What we saw in EQN videos isn't just underwhelming; it's below that. It's nothing, especially for a mmorpg.
>>The implementation is a design decision just like the movement aspects and final graphics/graphical options for that matter lol.<<
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What trust? People are excited for a game that looks fun and innovative. SOE has made some mistakes, but they have also developed some amazing games. I still have an all access pass and play eq1, eq2, DCUO, and vanguard. Smedley is a voice, not a developer.
Sure, they can make some bad choices, but they also can make a groundbreaking game. Hopeful optimism does not denote absolute trust.
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How much are you charging for said interview?
Personally speaking...
I seem to remember playing EQ 1 when it launched but didn't play it for long. I am in no way an SOE whore or blinded by some deep seated love in either direction for SOE. I do not hate or hope for any failure for any company. I do not lose faith simply because of some childish obstinance.
I simply state, based on what has been shown so far, that I believe they deserve all the plaudits they are receiveing.
Why?
Because what has been shown so far I believe WILL change the entire MMO landscape. I believe sincerely that some of the foundations shown so far are going to be as game changing as moving from a 2D top down isometric view to a 3D over the shoulder world was so many years ago.
There really is no conspiracy here. People are totally free to like something and you are totally free to dislike it. Just stop repeatedly bringing up the same argument over and over expecting to get a different response.
You're right. Smeds is a voice and not a dev. Who is he the voice for? Hes the voice for the suits on the top floor and a voice for every prospective investor. So in essences, Smeds is a salesman. And what do salesmen do? They do whatever they can to make the sale ( including lying ) And what happens when people lie? People don't trust them. At this point in time SOE has made a huge claim that EQN will be the biggest sandbox game ever made. Can we really trust this when it was Smeds himself that uttered these words?
Hopeful optimism is fine when coupled together with healthy skepticism.
What is there to be skeptical about? It is well known that good games make more money than bad ones. The game is free to play, so there is no "Trust". Everyone can try it before investing in it. They don't offer free samples of gross food at a store. A game that starts off as free to play will sink or swim on it's own merrits, not by one man's word.
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Wild assumptions = Smed is a salesman
Wild assumptions = All salesmen lie
Wild assumptions = Smed must be lying
Seriously pathetic!
concepts? yes
proof of concepts? no
EQ2 fan sites
i like SOE games and I think SOE will release EQN successfully
but the last time I heard the steak analogy was Age of Conan
http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/06/26/aoc-is-to-steak-as-wow-is-to-mcdonalds-says-aoc-director/
EQ2 fan sites
Rome 2 was the straw that broke my back. I am now convinced that everyone is out to sell me shitty, incomplete products.
The straw pile is pretty high at this point too.
Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!
I'm going back to your original response and address it's extreme faultiness .
The person your responding to with your analogy would take you at your word that you had 70 acres of good land for sale until he sees the land has it tested and see your a conman then either walk away or inform the cops if the scam is bad enough.
This is perfectly reasonable unlike your responses thus far.
As is my attitude of not making judgements either way till proof is given to support any judgement.
The only thing I can judge so far are the graphics shown and the movement system ,to me they are fine so far.Everything else was a limited tech demo or just words so far.
on the up side..you can only go up from here...
Exactly. We have graphics shown and the movement system - which, I agree, are okay. But what exactly was there shown to live up to Ten Ton and Massively's hype?
Well, nothing. All that hype was over nothing shown. It doesn't say anything about EQN, which may be fine game on its own. But it says a lot about Ten Ton and Massively.
In my opinion if there was any credibility in those sites, there is absolutely none after that hype train. *shrug* not that I thought they were credible.
Exactly. We have graphics shown and the movement system - which, I agree, are okay. But what exactly was there shown to live up to Ten Ton and Massively's hype?
Well, nothing. All that hype was over nothing shown. It doesn't say anything about EQN, which may be fine game on its own. But it says a lot about Ten Ton and Massively.
In my opinion if there was any credibility in those sites, there is absolutely none after that hype train. *shrug* not that I thought they were credible.
this site did the same thing heh
I was one of the guys most loudly saying Bill Murphy and the TenTonHammer guys were playing all-or-nothing with their credibility on this.
I have to say I think they were justified.
The constructability/destructability is absolutely ground-breaking.
The AI and procedural content generation MAY be as well, although we can all agree it's just a bunch of promises without even a demo yet.
Rallying calls and multi-classing are not "grail worthy" to me, but I do find the predominantely horizontal progression system to at least be novel and intriguing.
We've seen destructibility and voxel physics in a tech demo not how they will be used and implemented in the final game.You can judge the tech demo if you want but not the final game.
The artstyle though is what they've decided on there may be changes to different models but it is what they've decided they want to use so that is judgeable.
The fact that there will be a parkour movement system is a known,the animation may be improved and it's mechancis may change with more classes but it's nto gonna effect someone's judgement that they don't want a parkour system in their fantasy MMORPG,so that is judgeable on a don't want/want basis.
The graphics are probably recycled from the scrapped version.
I would say they just changed the gameplay direction - themepark into sandbox.
The technology for the voxel destruction is shown to work tech demo or not, which goes beyond being just an idea. The implementation is a design decision just like the movement aspects and final graphics/graphical options for that matter lol.
It's all still too much in the air but more has been shown to work than graphics and movement which was my point. If we want to compare the tech demo to what may be in EQN I'd say nothing is exactly final.
I am guessing you already know this but you just want to feed the trolls, so I'll bite as a non troll responding to you with real world development experience in the industry. What you got to see was not "working" how you are trying to make it sound. What we saw was a SMALL zone, with CONTROLLED VARIABLES, and no AI.
What changes is when you add all the NPC's in with their AI, players, all the data and everything else that goes with making a large scale mmo. Once that happens, that's when you really see what works and what doesn't. That is why most idea's get scrapped after announcing them. So while the guy you are responding to is obviously a hater of the game, you are not being exactly honest either.
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The tehnology for voxel destruction was used in the games regularly since 2005 at least, may be much earlier. Vangers, great little game, used voxel-based fully destructionable terrain, and they did it great.
Oh, and they had procedurally-generated terrain with noise maps and hand-designed objects on top of that, if I remember correctly.
And they've done at least 2 more games, I think, since then, where whole gameplay was based on destructible voxel terrain, both multiplayer games.
What we saw in EQN videos isn't just underwhelming; it's below that. It's nothing, especially for a mmorpg.
>>The implementation is a design decision just like the movement aspects and final graphics/graphical options for that matter lol.<<
Why the hell do I even talk to you, "lol".