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Is TESO a clone? Here is why i say no.
Heavy-armor-warrior
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How unique is this game? In your guys's opinion? Because personally i think its very unique.
And just because i am saying unique, does not literally mean its the only game with that feature. It means its less common in the mmo world. It does not have to be new, just uncommon and even different. Innovative.
Here are a couple reasons why i think that people who say that this game is a clone is wrong:
You can be super-natural creatures. And infect other players.
1st person mode.
Any class can use any weapon and armor.
Exploration is actually rewarding (this was tried in GW2 but kinda failed.)
Huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge PvP map.
Real time combat.
You can sneak. (Not totally new but its not very common.)
You can open locked chest by the lock-pick mini game.
Crafting supplies come up random (even though you will find ores usually on the side of rocks/mountains, for example, it will not respawn there.) I also like how wildlife runs away (cool for immersion.)
Can find maps leading to treasure chest.
Can find lore books, and game keeps track of the lore you find.
Can read books, and sometimes books will increase your level in a specific skill (such as light armor.)
Players can be all professions.
You can upgrade abilities by "morphing" them.
Skills level up when you use them (again like light armor.)
You can choose to upgrade magica, stamina, or health every time you level up. Choose.
Can search basically anything like crates for instance. Also, can take things like bread for instance that is out in "public."
Has a new game plus.
Can weapon swap at level 15 (not totally new but few games have it.)
Can use siege weapons like catapults in PvP. (Again not new but is A LOT better than most MMOs with siege weapons.) Lots of variety. (You can use rotten meat for crying out loud!
That is all that basically comes to mind at the moment. If i think of more i will add to this list.
So, what are your guys's opinions.
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My opinion is this is either your first MMORPG, or you don't know what unique means. I am happy you are hyped for the game though.
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I commonly think its funny when people make these unique/my game is better than yours lists. I just have to interject. Just to be clear unique means being the only one of its kinds, unlike anything else.
Not trying to hate here, it's just that MMOs copy off of each other. Obviously they won't copy every feature from the same game, they will pull from here and there. But in the end there is no innovation, it may seem unique to someone who hasn't been in this genre since the beginning I suppose.
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Alright, alright i see whats going on here. I will change description/title.
Guys what i meant by unique is basically uncommon. Its almost impossible to have a MMO with features that are totally new.
This game has lots of cool things you cant find in very much games (such as lock-pick mini game.)
Edit: Oh and even things that are in other games and in TESO, like siege weapons for example, teso does not copy and paste. It adds its own little uniqueness to it.
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Teso is obviously not a clone.
Just like every game made after wow is not a wow clone.
The first person mode in this game is not like other mmo's.
It feels more like, say skyrim than say LOTRO. Other mmo's you feel like you are sort of a camera floating along. In this game it feels more like you are an actual character.
There really is no comparison
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I can agree that his list is a good one for good things found in the game compared to other games. Even though I did not like the game, I could come up with a list of things I did find enjoyable. By the OP's list, EQ did a majority of those things and many other sandbox games as well. The post read nothing about the game being innovative and I would hate to see another thread turn into a debate about what innovation actually is so I hope people stay on topic. The fact is that none of his list was actually unique and not a "nerd argument" about which game did them first.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
You get what i am saying, it does not have to be totally new. Just different and uncommon.
I wasn't arguing whether or not the first person mode was superior to other games. That's an opinion and to each their own. But Wurm for example, had first person gameplay thus making it not unique to TESO.
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Sure, but how many other MMO's have 1st person? A handful if even. Thus making TESO's 1st person uncommon, and yes kinda unique.
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/adjective: unique
Depends on your criteria of "first person" and what game are allowed to make that list such as Firefall for example. TESO is not exclusively first person and simply has the option to play in first person and this has been done in most of the MMO's I have ever played. The only difference from most of those and TESO is that in TESO you see your weapons and abilities going off. I think they did a good job of their implementation of first person and it was a pleasure to explore in that mode (although I preferred 3rd person), but it is not unique or that uncommon. Well done and polished sure.
The title has been changed so don't take any of my comments out of context. DO I think it is a clone? NO, not more than any other MMORPG. Originally the OP was a list of things that made TESO unique and I just wanted to point out that none of them were unique. My comments have nothing to do with whether or not they are well done or whether or not they are common, None of my comments are in any way painting the game as a clone.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
Hey guess what.. He changed the title. He even says he was gonna change the title in a response. Nobody was being an ass in the slightest except....... Originally the thread was about what made the game unique and that was what was being discussed.
"How unique is this game? In your guys's opinion? Because personally i think its very unique" was the actual OP title. Good day.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
ESO is unique, nobody can argue that point without looking like a fool, lol
No SINGLE other MMO has the the combination of features that ESO has, or has even implemented the shared features in the same way.
A "clone" is an exact copy, so if a game has 2 features from each of 10 other games, which game is it a clone of exactly ?
You could say that the individual features of the game are mostly derivatives of features from other games, but the way ESO combines them all is definitely unique.
Well by your understanding then any game can be classified as unique because I am pretty sure I can take any MMO and list off features that I am sure no other games have in one package. But this is not the point to begin with because the OP made a list of each unique feature and not how TESO does them better as a whole.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
No and that was not what the discussion was about initially. See my above post. Many of you are coming across as defensive when it is not necessary since my decision to respond to the OP was in no way an attack on the game. I wasn't being an ass either when I stated it was either his first MMO or he misunderstood the meaning of unique because that is what it sounded like when I read his list. I also elaborated on each of his listed items so I didn't come off as trolling his thread. Many can argue that Rift is a blatant WoW clone but I can make a list of features that make Rift "unique" going off your description.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
So you picked apart each thing from his list and said it was used before without even thinking he meant the whole package? I mean the whole package is considered the game right? Or was it only the first person part ? That's my point, everyone takes things literally without using their brain or reading the topic as a whole and coming to that conclusion. All for the sole purpose as to try and shut someone down. Or did you really think the OP really thought that first person hadn't been used before? Come on, don't give me that crap. Read between the lines, its really pretty simple. 8)
Did you even read the OP? I think your problem here is you jumped to the conclusion that everyone responded with the attempt to "shut him down" when in fact I came in here for the purpose of discussion which is why I have responded in the first place. I don't pretend to read between the lines and assume what others mean and it is probably a good habit to adopt since I don't personally know the OP. Like I said before to others, if I were to read between the lines and assume he meant the whole package then every single game ever created is "unique" and listing their features individually is a moot point. Judging from your initial reaction and post, you giving me advice on what to read and how to respond seems laughable.
RIP Jimmy "The Rev" Sullivan and Paul Gray.
All we are doing is pumping up a lack luster game full of ammo for disappointment. Might as well go down on it like a circus seal!
Sure did read it. You read too deep into his usage of unique. Sure he could have worded it better. The fact remains, you and others decided to not use your gut and then state the obvious about features that had been used before... The games in MMOs give a mix of features that as a whole give a feel or character (not avatar). That is what the OP was implying, was pretty easy to see. Then people come in, and say, nope its all been done before. Well no shit its been done before. Does the word duh mean anything to you ? 8)