I can have 1 month of Netflix for $7 with many hours of fun and entertaining movies. what say you?
itsnt equal when compare ESO to a game that i dont even heard the name untill you said it. lol
plz compare ESO to Skyrim in the $60 price, which one will you get?
ESO, easy, it's a much better game. Best Elder Scrolls game since Morrowind, maybe the best since Daggerfall.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
I just bought South Park: The Stick of Truth, and although I'm having a wonderful time, it made me realize what I was getting for my $60 compared to ESO and other mmorpgs. Any of you upset about paying $60 for ESO, and then having to pay a sub fee, should compare any new release of a single player game, and then you may think twice about complaining.
I have read that you can complete the main quest in South Park in about 9 hours. The side quests and the main quest in about 30 hours. You have 4 classes you could play through for a total of about 120 hours, but I don't usually replay content of this nature again even if it is with another class.
IMHO, mmorpgs are better for the price, you get more content and re-playability, and the price should never be used as a debate issue in these forums.
I can have 1 month of Netflix for $7 with many hours of fun and entertaining movies. what say you?
itsnt equal when compare ESO to a game that i dont even heard the name untill you said it. lol
plz compare ESO to Skyrim in the $60 price, which one will you get?
I have skyrim but I can't play with friends. I would much rather play a game with my friends and family. As for Netflix, nope, I don't watch movies and hardly any tv.
What say you?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
I just bought South Park: The Stick of Truth, and although I'm having a wonderful time, it made me realize what I was getting for my $60 compared to ESO and other mmorpgs. Any of you upset about paying $60 for ESO, and then having to pay a sub fee, should compare any new release of a single player game, and then you may think twice about complaining.
I have read that you can complete the main quest in South Park in about 9 hours. The side quests and the main quest in about 30 hours. You have 4 classes you could play through for a total of about 120 hours, but I don't usually replay content of this nature again even if it is with another class.
IMHO, mmorpgs are better for the price, you get more content and re-playability, and the price should never be used as a debate issue in these forums.
I can have 1 month of Netflix for $7 with many hours of fun and entertaining movies. what say you?
itsnt equal when compare ESO to a game that i dont even heard the name untill you said it. lol
plz compare ESO to Skyrim in the $60 price, which one will you get?
I have skyrim but I can't play with friends. I would much rather play a game with my friends and family. As for Netflix, nope, I don't watch movies and hardly any tv.
What say you?
you can buy a monopoly game for $20 and play with you family and friend till u...die. what about it?
what i'm saying here is the 2 game in your comparision isnt have equal value.lol
Yes, I have. It is a very broad game, with all the depth of a puddle, and only a couple of mutually exclusive narrative choices in the entire experience (including the expansions.) Bethesda's in house games have been going down in quality for years, I'm very happy ESO had a dev team with more understanding of what makes a quality RPG.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
Yes, I have. It is a very broad game, with all the depth of a puddle, and only a couple of mutually exclusive narrative choices in the entire experience (including the expansions.) Bethesda's in house games have been going down in quality for years, I'm very happy ESO had a dev team with more understanding of what makes a quality RPG.
and here i though the Dev admited that they trying to make ESO as close to skyrim as possible.
i'll probly find u a link on what they said later on. lol
Yes, I have. It is a very broad game, with all the depth of a puddle, and only a couple of mutually exclusive narrative choices in the entire experience (including the expansions.) Bethesda's in house games have been going down in quality for years, I'm very happy ESO had a dev team with more understanding of what makes a quality RPG.
I like both for different reasons. Skyrim I have to mod a lot to make it feel even more dangerous and alive with battles ongoing.
ESO has the whole alliance PVP going for it and varied monsters and geography.
You cant really say a single player game is better than a MMO lol
I find it really amusing that so many posters here use Rift as a perfect example of a high quality MMO with no sub at all.
You wouldn't be playing Rift for free if it had not launched as a sub game (with box purchase) and remained a sub-only game for TWO YEARS ! That $100million+ it earned in the first year covered all the production costs and then some.
Originally posted by CazNeerg Originally posted by squalleonahaESO better than Skyrim? o.Ohave u played skyrim. lol
Yes, I have. It is a very broad game, with all the depth of a puddle, and only a couple of mutually exclusive narrative choices in the entire experience (including the expansions.) Bethesda's in house games have been going down in quality for years, I'm very happy ESO had a dev team with more understanding of what makes a quality RPG.
I like both for different reasons. Skyrim I have to mod a lot to make it feel even more dangerous and alive with battles ongoing.
ESO has the whole alliance PVP going for it and varied monsters and geography.
You cant really say a single player game is better than a MMO lol
This started out as ESO is worth 15 a month, otherwise you end up with South Park, see wouldn't you rather pay $15 a month ? It's like the big fatty face direct tv commercial where the guy doesn't have direct tv so he ends up becoming a local fishermen at an exotic location they call big fatty face because he was stung by an exotic insect and quarantined.
I think you got entitled to something for free, and entitled to something you paid for all confused.
Try working a job, minimum wage can pay for this easy if you don't have a alcohol, drug or cigerate addiction, just work, it make you feel good, can your love of money really be that high that you would pass up a HIGH QUALITY game like ESO over only $15 bucks a month?
By the way, SWTOR isn't free, its a sub game, unless you want really low quality gaming for free. Have at it. Another person who wants an once of gold for the price of an once of silver.
Also SKYRIM legendary is a OFFLINE game, I play MMO's to have social interaction, ESO gives me Skyrim WITH social interaction, well worth it.
If Zenimax had decided to charge $30 a month would you defend it? What about $50. I can easily afford a lot more than that as well .. what about $150?
As soon as you decide the sub "isn't worth it" "for you" I can come back and say "get a better job", "you have an entitlement mentality". You. Not me. I have worked in the US and multiple EU countries - which should tell you something - but actually matters not one bit because both EA and Activision have teams of experts as well. And they have moved away from a sub based model for new games because the model has a bad track record.
The OP's post drew a contrast between the "content" in ESO to the "content" in South Park. Not an apples with oranges comparison because what you get when you "buy" ESO is TIME not CONTENT. Not the experience - which brings in a very subjective element.
Skyrim not online - I could have picked any of the many, many games that are. SWTOR being a low quality game if you don't pay a sub - many will argue against that statement but the core game can certainly be played without a sub, the sub doesn't change the graphics or the core mechanics, or the story. Just an example though.
The key point however is that the sub is a form of RENT and on day 1 rental can look more attractive.
The reason for ESO having a sub is all about Zenimax wanting to smooth out their cash flow. Not content, networks or customer support, it is about company cash flow. The downside is lower upfront sales.
I just bought South Park: The Stick of Truth, and although I'm having a wonderful time, it made me realize what I was getting for my $60 compared to ESO and other mmorpgs. Any of you upset about paying $60 for ESO, and then having to pay a sub fee, should compare any new release of a single player game, and then you may think twice about complaining.
I have read that you can complete the main quest in South Park in about 9 hours. The side quests and the main quest in about 30 hours. You have 4 classes you could play through for a total of about 120 hours, but I don't usually replay content of this nature again even if it is with another class.
IMHO, mmorpgs are better for the price, you get more content and re-playability, and the price should never be used as a debate issue in these forums.
Why are you comparing the pricing of 2 shitty games? o.O
And you forget that games like Titanfall, Assassin's Creed series, Mass Effect series, Elder Scrolls series and countless other AAA titles are all worth 60$? Did you know that Skyrim alone is 200+ hours to finish all the sidequests and main storyline WITHOUT the DLCs? Do you know how much the amount of mods available to Skyrim increase that gametime? What TESO is offering is not close to that by a longshot.
I'm not even comparing it to other MMOs. You seem delusional...
Did you forget there is Guild Wars 2, RIFT, Tera, SWTOR, The Secret World? How is TESO any better than WoW to justify that price? o.O Does it have more game hours and more replayablity? I sincerely doubt that. If you don't value your money, the sane people like me do
Oh and...I'd never buy a southpark game, even if it was free. IMO its humour for mentally challenged people. But then again that's just my opinion, and I don't mean you by saying its a humour for mentally challenged people, but it is a food for thought.
I just bought South Park: The Stick of Truth, and although I'm having a wonderful time, it made me realize what I was getting for my $60 compared to ESO and other mmorpgs. Any of you upset about paying $60 for ESO, and then having to pay a sub fee, should compare any new release of a single player game, and then you may think twice about complaining.
I have read that you can complete the main quest in South Park in about 9 hours. The side quests and the main quest in about 30 hours. You have 4 classes you could play through for a total of about 120 hours, but I don't usually replay content of this nature again even if it is with another class.
IMHO, mmorpgs are better for the price, you get more content and re-playability, and the price should never be used as a debate issue in these forums.
I agree with you but then just consider who much value you get from GW2 or TSW that has no sub fee
But yes in all fairness I agree on every point with you mmorpg with a sub is totally worth it.
Is it just me or are these F2P excuses just getting more and more far out in the deep end kind of thinking?
Netflix for 7.99, Amazon prime for $79 a year, and hell hulu.com is FREE, so go watch hulu, or don't you like commercials in your movies and tv shows?
Anyways to say that your Neflix is worth a lot more then paying a sub to ESO, then by all means, lets see if you can stand watching ONLY movies all month long.... I tried it already, it doesn't work, MMORPG's give social interaction that movies on Netflix could never give you.
IF your so big on FREE, why are you not on hulu.com, I'll tell you why, cause its crap, its LOW QUALITY, so you pay more fory our movies, you pay a SUB for your movies. YOU PROVE that its worth it to pay for HIGH QUALITY.
Same can be applied to the game world, you want HIGH QUALITY GAMING? You pay more! You want hulu LOW QUALITY Free to Play gaming, go play for free.
Gold is worth $1,340 per an ounce, Silver is worth $21 per once. Both are METALS, both SHINE, Should I expect the price of gold to be the same as Silver? Of Course not. Gold is HIGH QUALITY METAL like ESO, and Silver is LOW QUALITY METAL like Free to Play games.
No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.
People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about games
I do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
Originally posted by botrytis No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about gamesI do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
what's your point? If you grow your own you can smoke for free and pay for yours and your entire guilds subs for a lifetime.
I just bought South Park: The Stick of Truth, and although I'm having a wonderful time, it made me realize what I was getting for my $60 compared to ESO and other mmorpgs. Any of you upset about paying $60 for ESO, and then having to pay a sub fee, should compare any new release of a single player game, and then you may think twice about complaining.
I have read that you can complete the main quest in South Park in about 9 hours. The side quests and the main quest in about 30 hours. You have 4 classes you could play through for a total of about 120 hours, but I don't usually replay content of this nature again even if it is with another class.
IMHO, mmorpgs are better for the price, you get more content and re-playability, and the price should never be used as a debate issue in these forums.
Why are you comparing the pricing of 2 shitty games? o.O
And you forget that games like Titanfall, Assassin's Creed series, Mass Effect series, Elder Scrolls series and countless other AAA titles are all worth 60$? Did you know that Skyrim alone is 200+ hours to finish all the sidequests and main storyline WITHOUT the DLCs? Do you know how much the amount of mods available to Skyrim increase that gametime? What TESO is offering is not close to that by a longshot.
I'm not even comparing it to other MMOs. You seem delusional...
Did you forget there is Guild Wars 2, RIFT, Tera, SWTOR, The Secret World? How is TESO any better than WoW to justify that price? o.O Does it have more game hours and more replayablity? I sincerely doubt that. If you don't value your money, the sane people like me do
Oh and...I'd never buy a southpark game, even if it was free. IMO its humour for mentally challenged people. But then again that's just my opinion, and I don't mean you by saying its a humour for mentally challenged people, but it is a food for thought.
Why am I comparing these games? Well for one, I'm in the ESO forum, and two, I'm playing South Park as I stated. I didn't read the rest, because if it made as much sense as you first sentence, I would be wasting my time.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.
People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about games
I do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
do you think people stupid when they paying millions dollar for antique? millions for a cars?
people paying for what they think worth it to THEMSELF. not anyone else.
so everything here we speak is personal matter and we trying to apply it on other people. and this never work. just a troll chatting pretending like a professional.
No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.
People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about games
I do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
what's your point? If you grow your own you can smoke for free and pay for yours and your entire guilds subs for a lifetime.
Are you referring to drugs? I meant cigarettes. 240 dollars a year is nothing for entertainment. I mean I've spent that much in one night out. I think games with subs have a better quality and focus more on what the players want since they are already getting money of us. Whilst free to play games focus on what shiny novelty crap they can put on the cash shop.
No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.
People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about games
I do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
what's your point? If you grow your own you can smoke for free and pay for yours and your entire guilds subs for a lifetime.
Ummm... he meant cigerettes, where cigerettes are around $5 a pack, which at that rate, ESO sub is Only 3 packs of cigerettes a month.... You walk into a bar, you get 5 shots, that's a months worth of ESO sub... You order ONLY 3 Footlong subs at subway a month, and that's an ESO sub. You pick up 30 lbs of cans out of your neighbors trash can a month, and you got yourself a months sub. You Ask your mom or dad for 15 bucks a month and do chores for it, that's a sub right there. You don't eat 4 meals at McDonalds a month and you got a sub. You don't eat 4 bags of doritios every month and that's a sub...
Is it just me or are these F2P excuses just getting more and more far out in the deep end kind of thinking?
Netflix for 7.99, Amazon prime for $79 a year, and hell hulu.com is FREE, so go watch hulu, or don't you like commercials in your movies and tv shows?
Anyways to say that your Neflix is worth a lot more then paying a sub to ESO, then by all means, lets see if you can stand watching ONLY movies all month long.... I tried it already, it doesn't work, MMORPG's give social interaction that movies on Netflix could never give you.
IF your so big on FREE, why are you not on hulu.com, I'll tell you why, cause its crap, its LOW QUALITY, so you pay more fory our movies, you pay a SUB for your movies. YOU PROVE that its worth it to pay for HIGH QUALITY.
Same can be applied to the game world, you want HIGH QUALITY GAMING? You pay more! You want hulu LOW QUALITY Free to Play gaming, go play for free.
Gold is worth $1,340 per an ounce, Silver is worth $21 per once. Both are METALS, both SHINE, Should I expect the price of gold to be the same as Silver? Of Course not. Gold is HIGH QUALITY METAL like ESO, and Silver is LOW QUALITY METAL like Free to Play games.
Your whole argument is based around the idea that Sub games are higher quality than F2P games. While I'm a big supporter of Sub games I don't know if I would go so far as to make that generalization. Yea there are some pretty crappy F2P games in fact the vast majority of them are crappy but there are a few many of which are Sub to F2P conversions that are right up there with Sub games. I don't like what F2P and yea even B2P does to the game longterm regrading how you play and what things developers focus on, it's not really about quality differences.
I think one of the problems is that sub game developers don't do a good job showing you what you are getting for that sub price. F2P games are constantly showing off new items and features because that's how they generate revenue. The more time you spend in the game the more money you will spend on the cash shop. Sub games are almost the opposite, traditionally there has been this idea that if to many of the sub players play a lot they actually cause problems for server capacity so these games depend on most players not logging in everyday so they don't put incentives to logging in everyday in the game. I think that sub game makers are getting better at this but they still have room for improvement. They need to showcase what your getting for that sub beyond access and bug fixes and give incentive for people to want to log in near everyday to play in the world. It doesn't have to be daily quests either but they need to create some reasons for people to want to log in or they will walk away from the game no matter what the pricing model.
Originally posted by Righteous_Rock Originally posted by blayugs Originally posted by botrytis No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about gamesI do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
what's your point? If you grow your own you can smoke for free and pay for yours and your entire guilds subs for a lifetime.
Are you referring to drugs? I meant cigarettes. 240 dollars a year is nothing for entertainment. I mean I've spent that much in one night out. I think games with subs have a better quality and focus more on what the players want since they are already getting money of us. Whilst free to play games focus on what shiny novelty crap they can put on the cash shop.
I'm a sub fan too, but it's got to merit a sub, ESO would make for a decent buy to play game that wouldn't leave consumers feeling like they are getting ripped off. With a $15 sub attached though, that's a rip off. ESO has some re-playability but not that kind. I have had no problem subbing to games in the past, but when the developers do stuff I don't like which in ESO' s case is Everything except graphics and that beautiful music ( shout out to Mulakah awesome job girl, can I just buy a CD rather than the game?)
No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.
People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about games
I do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
You're paying $60 for the channels you actually like to watch - whatever those are. I'd guess you watch maybe 3-5 channels on a daily basis, and probably half of that 3-5 you only watch that station for a particular program. The rest are complete garbage.
Seriously - if you need 1,000 channels to find something to watch, then it's reasonable to assume that a lot of those channels are garbage.
Also, it costs extra per month to have HBO, Starz, or Showtime, which are arguable the best channels you can have for quality media entertainment. This is the same as paying a subscription for an MMO.
I just bought South Park: The Stick of Truth, and although I'm having a wonderful time, it made me realize what I was getting for my $60 compared to ESO and other mmorpgs. Any of you upset about paying $60 for ESO, and then having to pay a sub fee, should compare any new release of a single player game, and then you may think twice about complaining.
Or, we could look at the quality of that MMO and still come up with that it isn't worth paying a monthly fee for...........which TESO is not going to be for a lot of people since they are targeting a lot of NON-MMO players, and even fans of the series that are MMO players that are sick of the old MMO designs.
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No game is worth a sub - period. I pay 60 USD a month for ALL of my cable TV channels - why would I pay 1/4 of that price for one channel? It is ludicrous in these times to have a sub when there are games out there w/o them. AND this game also has a CS - talk about a cash grab - one or the other not both.
People talk that the price should NOT in the discussion and I disagree vehemently. The price is actually 60 box + (15 x 12) = 240 a year for a game. You need to think about this in your decisions about games
I do not have the entitlement mentality either as I have done sub games in the past but find them full of 'entitled' jokers just because they pay a sub for the game.
The devs are saying no cash shop where are you getting this information? As for your period, I certainly hope you're not making a broader statement than your own personal sense of value.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There have been plenty of sub games that were/are sub-par - SWTOR, TWS, RIFT - shall I go on?
Doing a cash grab like this is ridiculous - give the game free with a sub or B2P with CS. Played the BETA can't see what the draw is - prefer the older ES games, much more involving and harder to play.
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ESO, easy, it's a much better game. Best Elder Scrolls game since Morrowind, maybe the best since Daggerfall.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
ESO better than Skyrim? o.O
have u played skyrim. lol
I have skyrim but I can't play with friends. I would much rather play a game with my friends and family. As for Netflix, nope, I don't watch movies and hardly any tv.
What say you?
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
you can buy a monopoly game for $20 and play with you family and friend till u...die. what about it?
what i'm saying here is the 2 game in your comparision isnt have equal value.lol
Yes, I have. It is a very broad game, with all the depth of a puddle, and only a couple of mutually exclusive narrative choices in the entire experience (including the expansions.) Bethesda's in house games have been going down in quality for years, I'm very happy ESO had a dev team with more understanding of what makes a quality RPG.
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
and here i though the Dev admited that they trying to make ESO as close to skyrim as possible.
i'll probly find u a link on what they said later on. lol
I like both for different reasons. Skyrim I have to mod a lot to make it feel even more dangerous and alive with battles ongoing.
ESO has the whole alliance PVP going for it and varied monsters and geography.
You cant really say a single player game is better than a MMO lol
I find it really amusing that so many posters here use Rift as a perfect example of a high quality MMO with no sub at all.
You wouldn't be playing Rift for free if it had not launched as a sub game (with box purchase) and remained a sub-only game for TWO YEARS ! That $100million+ it earned in the first year covered all the production costs and then some.
Yes, I have. It is a very broad game, with all the depth of a puddle, and only a couple of mutually exclusive narrative choices in the entire experience (including the expansions.) Bethesda's in house games have been going down in quality for years, I'm very happy ESO had a dev team with more understanding of what makes a quality RPG.
I like both for different reasons. Skyrim I have to mod a lot to make it feel even more dangerous and alive with battles ongoing.
ESO has the whole alliance PVP going for it and varied monsters and geography.
You cant really say a single player game is better than a MMO lol
This started out as ESO is worth 15 a month, otherwise you end up with South Park, see wouldn't you rather pay $15 a month ? It's like the big fatty face direct tv commercial where the guy doesn't have direct tv so he ends up becoming a local fishermen at an exotic location they call big fatty face because he was stung by an exotic insect and quarantined.If Zenimax had decided to charge $30 a month would you defend it? What about $50. I can easily afford a lot more than that as well .. what about $150?
As soon as you decide the sub "isn't worth it" "for you" I can come back and say "get a better job", "you have an entitlement mentality". You. Not me. I have worked in the US and multiple EU countries - which should tell you something - but actually matters not one bit because both EA and Activision have teams of experts as well. And they have moved away from a sub based model for new games because the model has a bad track record.
The OP's post drew a contrast between the "content" in ESO to the "content" in South Park. Not an apples with oranges comparison because what you get when you "buy" ESO is TIME not CONTENT. Not the experience - which brings in a very subjective element.
Skyrim not online - I could have picked any of the many, many games that are. SWTOR being a low quality game if you don't pay a sub - many will argue against that statement but the core game can certainly be played without a sub, the sub doesn't change the graphics or the core mechanics, or the story. Just an example though.
The key point however is that the sub is a form of RENT and on day 1 rental can look more attractive.
The reason for ESO having a sub is all about Zenimax wanting to smooth out their cash flow. Not content, networks or customer support, it is about company cash flow. The downside is lower upfront sales.
Why are you comparing the pricing of 2 shitty games? o.O
And you forget that games like Titanfall, Assassin's Creed series, Mass Effect series, Elder Scrolls series and countless other AAA titles are all worth 60$? Did you know that Skyrim alone is 200+ hours to finish all the sidequests and main storyline WITHOUT the DLCs? Do you know how much the amount of mods available to Skyrim increase that gametime? What TESO is offering is not close to that by a longshot.
I'm not even comparing it to other MMOs. You seem delusional...
Did you forget there is Guild Wars 2, RIFT, Tera, SWTOR, The Secret World? How is TESO any better than WoW to justify that price? o.O Does it have more game hours and more replayablity? I sincerely doubt that. If you don't value your money, the sane people like me do
Oh and...I'd never buy a southpark game, even if it was free. IMO its humour for mentally challenged people. But then again that's just my opinion, and I don't mean you by saying its a humour for mentally challenged people, but it is a food for thought.
I agree with you but then just consider who much value you get from GW2 or TSW that has no sub fee
But yes in all fairness I agree on every point with you mmorpg with a sub is totally worth it.
Is it just me or are these F2P excuses just getting more and more far out in the deep end kind of thinking?
Netflix for 7.99, Amazon prime for $79 a year, and hell hulu.com is FREE, so go watch hulu, or don't you like commercials in your movies and tv shows?
Anyways to say that your Neflix is worth a lot more then paying a sub to ESO, then by all means, lets see if you can stand watching ONLY movies all month long.... I tried it already, it doesn't work, MMORPG's give social interaction that movies on Netflix could never give you.
IF your so big on FREE, why are you not on hulu.com, I'll tell you why, cause its crap, its LOW QUALITY, so you pay more fory our movies, you pay a SUB for your movies. YOU PROVE that its worth it to pay for HIGH QUALITY.
Same can be applied to the game world, you want HIGH QUALITY GAMING? You pay more! You want hulu LOW QUALITY Free to Play gaming, go play for free.
Gold is worth $1,340 per an ounce, Silver is worth $21 per once. Both are METALS, both SHINE, Should I expect the price of gold to be the same as Silver? Of Course not. Gold is HIGH QUALITY METAL like ESO, and Silver is LOW QUALITY METAL like Free to Play games.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
what's your point? If you grow your own you can smoke for free and pay for yours and your entire guilds subs for a lifetime.Why am I comparing these games? Well for one, I'm in the ESO forum, and two, I'm playing South Park as I stated. I didn't read the rest, because if it made as much sense as you first sentence, I would be wasting my time.
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do you think people stupid when they paying millions dollar for antique? millions for a cars?
people paying for what they think worth it to THEMSELF. not anyone else.
so everything here we speak is personal matter and we trying to apply it on other people. and this never work. just a troll chatting pretending like a professional.
Are you referring to drugs? I meant cigarettes. 240 dollars a year is nothing for entertainment. I mean I've spent that much in one night out. I think games with subs have a better quality and focus more on what the players want since they are already getting money of us. Whilst free to play games focus on what shiny novelty crap they can put on the cash shop.
Ummm... he meant cigerettes, where cigerettes are around $5 a pack, which at that rate, ESO sub is Only 3 packs of cigerettes a month.... You walk into a bar, you get 5 shots, that's a months worth of ESO sub... You order ONLY 3 Footlong subs at subway a month, and that's an ESO sub. You pick up 30 lbs of cans out of your neighbors trash can a month, and you got yourself a months sub. You Ask your mom or dad for 15 bucks a month and do chores for it, that's a sub right there. You don't eat 4 meals at McDonalds a month and you got a sub. You don't eat 4 bags of doritios every month and that's a sub...
Your whole argument is based around the idea that Sub games are higher quality than F2P games. While I'm a big supporter of Sub games I don't know if I would go so far as to make that generalization. Yea there are some pretty crappy F2P games in fact the vast majority of them are crappy but there are a few many of which are Sub to F2P conversions that are right up there with Sub games. I don't like what F2P and yea even B2P does to the game longterm regrading how you play and what things developers focus on, it's not really about quality differences.
I think one of the problems is that sub game developers don't do a good job showing you what you are getting for that sub price. F2P games are constantly showing off new items and features because that's how they generate revenue. The more time you spend in the game the more money you will spend on the cash shop. Sub games are almost the opposite, traditionally there has been this idea that if to many of the sub players play a lot they actually cause problems for server capacity so these games depend on most players not logging in everyday so they don't put incentives to logging in everyday in the game. I think that sub game makers are getting better at this but they still have room for improvement. They need to showcase what your getting for that sub beyond access and bug fixes and give incentive for people to want to log in near everyday to play in the world. It doesn't have to be daily quests either but they need to create some reasons for people to want to log in or they will walk away from the game no matter what the pricing model.
I am not saying that this person is, but I wonder how many people that are complaining about the costs of subs are smokers.
what's your point? If you grow your own you can smoke for free and pay for yours and your entire guilds subs for a lifetime.Are you referring to drugs? I meant cigarettes. 240 dollars a year is nothing for entertainment. I mean I've spent that much in one night out. I think games with subs have a better quality and focus more on what the players want since they are already getting money of us. Whilst free to play games focus on what shiny novelty crap they can put on the cash shop.
I'm a sub fan too, but it's got to merit a sub, ESO would make for a decent buy to play game that wouldn't leave consumers feeling like they are getting ripped off. With a $15 sub attached though, that's a rip off. ESO has some re-playability but not that kind. I have had no problem subbing to games in the past, but when the developers do stuff I don't like which in ESO' s case is Everything except graphics and that beautiful music ( shout out to Mulakah awesome job girl, can I just buy a CD rather than the game?)You're paying $60 for the channels you actually like to watch - whatever those are. I'd guess you watch maybe 3-5 channels on a daily basis, and probably half of that 3-5 you only watch that station for a particular program. The rest are complete garbage.
Seriously - if you need 1,000 channels to find something to watch, then it's reasonable to assume that a lot of those channels are garbage.
Also, it costs extra per month to have HBO, Starz, or Showtime, which are arguable the best channels you can have for quality media entertainment. This is the same as paying a subscription for an MMO.
Or, we could look at the quality of that MMO and still come up with that it isn't worth paying a monthly fee for...........which TESO is not going to be for a lot of people since they are targeting a lot of NON-MMO players, and even fans of the series that are MMO players that are sick of the old MMO designs.
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The devs are saying no cash shop where are you getting this information? As for your period, I certainly hope you're not making a broader statement than your own personal sense of value.
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There have been plenty of sub games that were/are sub-par - SWTOR, TWS, RIFT - shall I go on?
Doing a cash grab like this is ridiculous - give the game free with a sub or B2P with CS. Played the BETA can't see what the draw is - prefer the older ES games, much more involving and harder to play.