I never understood why they banned the bots rather than push them off into a different shard or something where they can't interact with other players. Let them keep paying their subscriptions and playing the game, just don't let them actually do anything with other players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
The videos don't exist, the complaints don't exist, firor doesn't exist.
There is no bot problem in ESO.
I haven't seen any in weeks.
The bot problem doesn't exist.
Ignorance is bliss buddy
Damn, why did i have to take stoopid blue pill ;P
Calling me ignorant is ignorant, just ignorant!
I bet a lot of the supposed bot trains are just people multi boxing, that's an old practice. Is that within the rules if it is done through your own subscriptions? I never really looked into it much, but I have seen it many times back when I played wow.
The videos don't exist, the complaints don't exist, firor doesn't exist.
There is no bot problem in ESO.
I haven't seen any in weeks.
The bot problem doesn't exist.
Ignorance is bliss buddy
Damn, why did i have to take stoopid blue pill ;P
Calling me ignorant is ignorant, just ignorant!
I bet a lot of the supposed bot trains are just people multi boxing, that's an old practice. Is that within the rules if it is done through your own subscriptions? I never really looked into it much, but I have seen it many times back when I played wow.
Just watch the videos, it will become much much clearer to you
The videos don't exist, the complaints don't exist, firor doesn't exist.
There is no bot problem in ESO.
I haven't seen any in weeks.
The bot problem doesn't exist.
Ignorance is bliss buddy
Damn, why did i have to take stoopid blue pill ;P
Calling me ignorant is ignorant, just ignorant!
I bet a lot of the supposed bot trains are just people multi boxing, that's an old practice. Is that within the rules if it is done through your own subscriptions? I never really looked into it much, but I have seen it many times back when I played wow.
It's ok if Zeni says the software used to multibox is legal, but I can't see that as it would require you to basically run bottling software.
To my knowledge there is no assist function in ESO, I dont even think there's a follow option, and since you have to manually aim attacks you would have to use software to do that for you; that would be bottling.
However, there are clearly bots multiboxing in the OP's link.
The amount of hatred for a game that is better then most on release is laughable. people just pick something that has plagued EVERY mmo since the beginning and then act like ESO is doing something new and wrong that no game as ever done before.....
LOL, welcome to the world of MMO's.. is this your first ?
massive 100 man bots over running together eso. Video evidence inside and is included.
One has to wonder how bad ArcheAge is when its number one fan has nothing better to do then post threads like these in a game he doesn't even play especially when all live version of of AA currently out are known to have bot problems that make TESO's look tame.
The amount of hatred for a game that is better then most on release is laughable. people just pick something that has plagued EVERY mmo since the beginning and then act like ESO is doing something new and wrong that no game as ever done before.....
LOL, welcome to the world of MMO's.. is this your first ?
You're right.
Darkfall had a lot of the same complaints and problems, and fans of that game said much of what you just did. It was so good in fact, that they redeveloped it, shut down the original, and then rereleased a new version. Clearly a lot of people were wrong about that game, and it was all just unwarranted hate.
Oh I see bot groups -- what is crazy about those bots is they are all 2nd level. You would think they would bother to get one character through the tutorial and they would be 3rd at least.
Just watch the videos, it will become much much clearer to you
Out of curiosity I just checked Youtube. 4 pages in, and there's one post that is less than 2 weeks old (i.e. after they patched a fix). That post doesn't appear to be of a recent video, given the spawn time on the "boss" and they'd not be getting loot anyway (now).
Yes there will be some bots, no game is free of them. However threads like this as eluding to a case that is nowhere near as bad as being represented. It was bad before they patched.
Further in there's the odd example. The one with a bot running to a create then dieing (to reset), is likely legit (ie. after the patch).
Originally posted by rodingo LOL. That video @Kotaku is pretty sad. It's like a city of bots. When there are more bots than players, you know something just isn't right.
Yes, of course it's better. There are actually bots in that clip. However, it's still from 2 years ago and doesn't really do anything to address the extreme bot problem in ESO. I mean, does the fact that GW2 had bot issues at release make anyone feel better that there are a shitload of bots in ESO?
I think its more of a reality check....
(A) Have any major MMO's ever released without bot problems say in the last 10 years? No
(B) do you expect ESO to not have bot problems on release? Evidently for many the answer is yes.
see the reality disconnect there???
I for one don't troll the ArcheAge forums about the massive botting problems in both the Russian and Asian versions of Arche Age. The US version as far as I've heard will be exactly the same except for translation so why throw rocks when your own house is made of glass?
Would it be nice If TESO had less or no bots yes, but then expecting something to happen that's never happened before just seems unrealistic and setting oneself up for disappointment
The amount of hatred for a game that is better then most on release is laughable. people just pick something that has plagued EVERY mmo since the beginning and then act like ESO is doing something new and wrong that no game as ever done before.....
LOL, welcome to the world of MMO's.. is this your first ?
You're right.
Darkfall had a lot of the same complaints and problems, and fans of that game said much of what you just did. It was so good in fact, that they redeveloped it, shut down the original, and then rereleased a new version. Clearly a lot of people were wrong about that game, and it was all just unwarranted hate.
Just like with ESO.
Gee your right!! No game ever has unwarranted hate, Not WoW, Not Guild Wars2, Not ESO, Not ArchAge, not any of them ever game has people that hate it and of course its all warranted as you have pointed out no matter how successful those games are they are all trash because someone hates them it its never in any way trolling. Thanks for clearing this up for us unknown internet poster x that couldn't possibly have a agenda. YOU Saved us! God Bless you!
Just watch the videos, it will become much much clearer to you
Out of curiosity I just checked Youtube. 4 pages in, and there's one post that is less than 2 weeks old (i.e. after they patched a fix). That post doesn't appear to be of a recent video, given the spawn time on the "boss" and they'd not be getting loot anyway (now).
Yes there will be some bots, no game is free of them. However threads like this as eluding to a case that is nowhere near as bad as being represented. It was bad before they patched.
Further in there's the odd example. The one with a bot running to a create then dieing (to reset), is likely legit (ie. after the patch).
Dude.
Dont embarass yourself any further youtube is full of videos like this.
The amount of hatred for a game that is better then most on release is laughable. people just pick something that has plagued EVERY mmo since the beginning and then act like ESO is doing something new and wrong that no game as ever done before.....
LOL, welcome to the world of MMO's.. is this your first ?
You're right.
Darkfall had a lot of the same complaints and problems, and fans of that game said much of what you just did. It was so good in fact, that they redeveloped it, shut down the original, and then rereleased a new version. Clearly a lot of people were wrong about that game, and it was all just unwarranted hate.
Just like with ESO.
Gee your right!! No game ever has unwarranted hate, Not WoW, Not Guild Wars2, Not ESO, Not ArchAge, not any of them ever game has people that hate it and of course its all warranted as you have pointed out no matter how successful those games are they are all trash because someone hates them it its never in any way trolling. Thanks for clearing this up for us unknown internet poster x that couldn't possibly have a agenda. YOU Saved us! God Bless you!
Except archage isn't getting a lot of hate, wow has millions of subs, and I wouldn't doubt if GW2 sold a lot more copies than ESO did.
I noticed you left out ToR, WAR, AoC, and DCUO. They all got a lot of "hate"; guess what else they all have in common.
The original release of FF14 got a lot of hate, it shut down and square redeveloped it.
Oh wait, I get it.
We class ESO the same as WoW and GW2 to try and imply that the "hate" is simply based on its popularity as a good game. Now I get it.
The amount of hatred for a game that is better then most on release is laughable. people just pick something that has plagued EVERY mmo since the beginning and then act like ESO is doing something new and wrong that no game as ever done before.....
LOL, welcome to the world of MMO's.. is this your first ?
You're right.
Darkfall had a lot of the same complaints and problems, and fans of that game said much of what you just did. It was so good in fact, that they redeveloped it, shut down the original, and then rereleased a new version. Clearly a lot of people were wrong about that game, and it was all just unwarranted hate.
Just like with ESO.
Gee your right!! No game ever has unwarranted hate, Not WoW, Not Guild Wars2, Not ESO, Not ArchAge, not any of them ever game has people that hate it and of course its all warranted as you have pointed out no matter how successful those games are they are all trash because someone hates them it its never in any way trolling. Thanks for clearing this up for us unknown internet poster x that couldn't possibly have a agenda. YOU Saved us! God Bless you!
Except archage isn't getting a lot of hate, wow has millions of subs, and I wouldn't doubt if GW2 sold a lot more copies than ESO did.
I noticed you left out ToR, WAR, AoC, and DCUO. They all got a lot of "hate"; guess what else they all have in common.
The original release of FF14 got a lot of hate, it shut down and square redeveloped it.
Oh wait, I get it.
We class ESO the same as WoW and GW2 to try and imply that the "hate" is simply based on its popularity as a good game. Now I get it.
No your wrong I just didn't feel i needed to type in every MMO ever released. I Notice you Left out EQ, AC, EvE, LoTRo, SWTOR and a lot more why did you leave them out? They all received hate. Are you cherry picking that some games that you personally don't like receive hate and deserve it while other games you enjoy that receive hate don't/
Lets make it easy on you, what MMO ever released has never had anyone hate it as you pretty much decided that all hate is warrented
The amount of hatred for a game that is better then most on release is laughable. people just pick something that has plagued EVERY mmo since the beginning and then act like ESO is doing something new and wrong that no game as ever done before.....
LOL, welcome to the world of MMO's.. is this your first ?
You're right.
Darkfall had a lot of the same complaints and problems, and fans of that game said much of what you just did. It was so good in fact, that they redeveloped it, shut down the original, and then rereleased a new version. Clearly a lot of people were wrong about that game, and it was all just unwarranted hate.
Just like with ESO.
Gee your right!! No game ever has unwarranted hate, Not WoW, Not Guild Wars2, Not ESO, Not ArchAge, not any of them ever game has people that hate it and of course its all warranted as you have pointed out no matter how successful those games are they are all trash because someone hates them it its never in any way trolling. Thanks for clearing this up for us unknown internet poster x that couldn't possibly have a agenda. YOU Saved us! God Bless you!
Except archage isn't getting a lot of hate, wow has millions of subs, and I wouldn't doubt if GW2 sold a lot more copies than ESO did.
I noticed you left out ToR, WAR, AoC, and DCUO. They all got a lot of "hate"; guess what else they all have in common.
The original release of FF14 got a lot of hate, it shut down and square redeveloped it.
Oh wait, I get it.
We class ESO the same as WoW and GW2 to try and imply that the "hate" is simply based on its popularity as a good game. Now I get it.
No your wrong I just didn't feel i needed to type in every MMO ever released. I Notice you Left out EQ, AC, EvE, LoTRo, SWTOR and a lot more why did you leave them out? They all received hate. Are you cherry picking that some games that you personally don't like receive hate and deserve it while other games you enjoy that receive hate don't/
Lets make it easy on you, what MMO ever released has never had anyone hate it as you pretty much decided that all hate is warrented
EQ was a huge hit when it released.
AC to the best of my knowledge was considered a hit when it release, and I do believe still requires a sub to play.
LoTRo, and ToR, yeah...they're both free to play. In fact I'm sure they both went free to play before the 12 year old EQ did.
EVE gets a lot of hate for the pvp nature of the game, and that's to be expected. It's also the only sub based mmo that, after 10 years, continues to grow its playerbase.
You, the OP, and several others in this thread, have something in common with the people that defended games like darkfall, ToR, WAR, AoC, DCUO, Tabula Rasa.
You're trying to convince people the "hate" is unwarranted.
Those other games either went free to play, shut down, or were redeveloped. Those fans insisted that everyone else was wrong, just like you're doing.
When you got to the final zone (Coldharbor) there was an intro quest where you could get 200 or so gold. People could plant a friend in the zone, use the "teleport to guild member" ability, run up, collect the gold. Delete the character, make another, repeat. This was identified and plugged. You always get bots exploiting loopholes like this. It only impact you if you're in the shard where you're doing the same quest. Unless you're exploiting the same things that the bots are you don't see then in normal game play. People are still probably talking about the pile of players (mostly real, not bots) that were taking advantage of a dungeon boss looting exploit that was also patched. So, again, we're seeing the game of listing everything that ever happened at any time in a new game, pretending as if they are all still happeneing.
The lack of a global auction house means that the impact on other players of this is minimal - prices in my trading guilds have been remarkably stable, with no evidence of sudden tectonic economic shifts. So even the indirect argument doesn't apply.
Originally posted by Beelzebobbie All you ESO fans should be proud of your bots, this is a sign that your game is doing well otherwise there would not be any bots farming in the game.
Sadly, even "dying" games have bots. It is just a scourge every game has to deal with at one time or another.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
When you got to the final zone (Coldharbor) there was an intro quest where you could get 200 or so gold. People could plant a friend in the zone, use the "teleport to guild member" ability, run up, collect the gold. Delete the character, make another, repeat. This was identified and plugged. You always get bots exploiting loopholes like this. It only impact you if you're in the shard where you're doing the same quest. Unless you're exploiting the same things that the bots are you don't see then in normal game play. People are still probably talking about the pile of players (mostly real, not bots) that were taking advantage of a dungeon boss looting exploit that was also patched. So, again, we're seeing the game of listing everything that ever happened at any time in a new game, pretending as if they are all still happeneing.
The lack of a global auction house means that the impact on other players of this is minimal - prices in my trading guilds have been remarkably stable, with no evidence of sudden tectonic economic shifts. So even the indirect argument doesn't apply.
What you're saying doesn't explain the video in the article.
How does any of that have to do with multiple characters following the exact same route, partially underground, and moving faster than the guy who was frapsing.
Originally posted by Beelzebobbie All you ESO fans should be proud of your bots, this is a sign that your game is doing well otherwise there would not be any bots farming in the game.
Sadly, even "dying" games have bots. It is just a scourge every game has to deal with at one time or another.
People should stop worrying and learn to love the bots.
When you got to the final zone (Coldharbor) there was an intro quest where you could get 200 or so gold. People could plant a friend in the zone, use the "teleport to guild member" ability, run up, collect the gold. Delete the character, make another, repeat. This was identified and plugged. You always get bots exploiting loopholes like this. It only impact you if you're in the shard where you're doing the same quest. Unless you're exploiting the same things that the bots are you don't see then in normal game play. People are still probably talking about the pile of players (mostly real, not bots) that were taking advantage of a dungeon boss looting exploit that was also patched. So, again, we're seeing the game of listing everything that ever happened at any time in a new game, pretending as if they are all still happeneing.
The lack of a global auction house means that the impact on other players of this is minimal - prices in my trading guilds have been remarkably stable, with no evidence of sudden tectonic economic shifts. So even the indirect argument doesn't apply.
What you're saying doesn't explain the video in the article.
How does any of that have to do with multiple characters following the exact same route, partially underground, and moving faster than the guy who was frapsing.
This is exactly the same quest that I'm describing. The video clipping from superposed characters comes from not having PC vs. PC collision detection. Since I saw this before they fixed it, you would see characters coming in at a wayshrine (teleport location from zone to zone) and running to the quest giver, getting their reward, logging out. The loophole was that the quest should have either had a minimum level or not been an automatic gimme, requiring at least that you run out and whack a daedra.
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I never understood why they banned the bots rather than push them off into a different shard or something where they can't interact with other players. Let them keep paying their subscriptions and playing the game, just don't let them actually do anything with other players.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
There is no bot problem in ESO people.
The videos don't exist, the complaints don't exist, firor doesn't exist.
There is no bot problem in ESO.
I haven't seen any in weeks.
The bot problem doesn't exist.
Just go to YouTube and search for eso bot.
New videos rolling in every single day.
Ignorance is bliss buddy
Damn, why did i have to take stoopid blue pill ;P
Calling me ignorant is ignorant, just ignorant!
I bet a lot of the supposed bot trains are just people multi boxing, that's an old practice. Is that within the rules if it is done through your own subscriptions? I never really looked into it much, but I have seen it many times back when I played wow.
Just watch the videos, it will become much much clearer to you
It's ok if Zeni says the software used to multibox is legal, but I can't see that as it would require you to basically run bottling software.
To my knowledge there is no assist function in ESO, I dont even think there's a follow option, and since you have to manually aim attacks you would have to use software to do that for you; that would be bottling.
However, there are clearly bots multiboxing in the OP's link.
The amount of hatred for a game that is better then most on release is laughable. people just pick something that has plagued EVERY mmo since the beginning and then act like ESO is doing something new and wrong that no game as ever done before.....
LOL, welcome to the world of MMO's.. is this your first ?
One has to wonder how bad ArcheAge is when its number one fan has nothing better to do then post threads like these in a game he doesn't even play especially when all live version of of AA currently out are known to have bot problems that make TESO's look tame.
You're right.
Darkfall had a lot of the same complaints and problems, and fans of that game said much of what you just did. It was so good in fact, that they redeveloped it, shut down the original, and then rereleased a new version. Clearly a lot of people were wrong about that game, and it was all just unwarranted hate.
Just like with ESO.
Out of curiosity I just checked Youtube. 4 pages in, and there's one post that is less than 2 weeks old (i.e. after they patched a fix). That post doesn't appear to be of a recent video, given the spawn time on the "boss" and they'd not be getting loot anyway (now).
Yes there will be some bots, no game is free of them. However threads like this as eluding to a case that is nowhere near as bad as being represented. It was bad before they patched.
Further in there's the odd example. The one with a bot running to a create then dieing (to reset), is likely legit (ie. after the patch).
I think its more of a reality check....
(A) Have any major MMO's ever released without bot problems say in the last 10 years? No
(B) do you expect ESO to not have bot problems on release? Evidently for many the answer is yes.
see the reality disconnect there???
I for one don't troll the ArcheAge forums about the massive botting problems in both the Russian and Asian versions of Arche Age. The US version as far as I've heard will be exactly the same except for translation so why throw rocks when your own house is made of glass?
Would it be nice If TESO had less or no bots yes, but then expecting something to happen that's never happened before just seems unrealistic and setting oneself up for disappointment
Gee your right!! No game ever has unwarranted hate, Not WoW, Not Guild Wars2, Not ESO, Not ArchAge, not any of them ever game has people that hate it and of course its all warranted as you have pointed out no matter how successful those games are they are all trash because someone hates them it its never in any way trolling. Thanks for clearing this up for us unknown internet poster x that couldn't possibly have a agenda. YOU Saved us! God Bless you!
Dude.
Dont embarass yourself any further youtube is full of videos like this.
Except archage isn't getting a lot of hate, wow has millions of subs, and I wouldn't doubt if GW2 sold a lot more copies than ESO did.
I noticed you left out ToR, WAR, AoC, and DCUO. They all got a lot of "hate"; guess what else they all have in common.
The original release of FF14 got a lot of hate, it shut down and square redeveloped it.
Oh wait, I get it.
We class ESO the same as WoW and GW2 to try and imply that the "hate" is simply based on its popularity as a good game. Now I get it.
No your wrong I just didn't feel i needed to type in every MMO ever released. I Notice you Left out EQ, AC, EvE, LoTRo, SWTOR and a lot more why did you leave them out? They all received hate. Are you cherry picking that some games that you personally don't like receive hate and deserve it while other games you enjoy that receive hate don't/
Lets make it easy on you, what MMO ever released has never had anyone hate it as you pretty much decided that all hate is warrented
EQ was a huge hit when it released.
AC to the best of my knowledge was considered a hit when it release, and I do believe still requires a sub to play.
LoTRo, and ToR, yeah...they're both free to play. In fact I'm sure they both went free to play before the 12 year old EQ did.
EVE gets a lot of hate for the pvp nature of the game, and that's to be expected. It's also the only sub based mmo that, after 10 years, continues to grow its playerbase.
You, the OP, and several others in this thread, have something in common with the people that defended games like darkfall, ToR, WAR, AoC, DCUO, Tabula Rasa.
You're trying to convince people the "hate" is unwarranted.
Those other games either went free to play, shut down, or were redeveloped. Those fans insisted that everyone else was wrong, just like you're doing.
When you got to the final zone (Coldharbor) there was an intro quest where you could get 200 or so gold. People could plant a friend in the zone, use the "teleport to guild member" ability, run up, collect the gold. Delete the character, make another, repeat. This was identified and plugged. You always get bots exploiting loopholes like this. It only impact you if you're in the shard where you're doing the same quest. Unless you're exploiting the same things that the bots are you don't see then in normal game play. People are still probably talking about the pile of players (mostly real, not bots) that were taking advantage of a dungeon boss looting exploit that was also patched. So, again, we're seeing the game of listing everything that ever happened at any time in a new game, pretending as if they are all still happeneing.
The lack of a global auction house means that the impact on other players of this is minimal - prices in my trading guilds have been remarkably stable, with no evidence of sudden tectonic economic shifts. So even the indirect argument doesn't apply.
Sadly, even "dying" games have bots. It is just a scourge every game has to deal with at one time or another.
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
What you're saying doesn't explain the video in the article.
How does any of that have to do with multiple characters following the exact same route, partially underground, and moving faster than the guy who was frapsing.
People should stop worrying and learn to love the bots.
This is exactly the same quest that I'm describing. The video clipping from superposed characters comes from not having PC vs. PC collision detection. Since I saw this before they fixed it, you would see characters coming in at a wayshrine (teleport location from zone to zone) and running to the quest giver, getting their reward, logging out. The loophole was that the quest should have either had a minimum level or not been an automatic gimme, requiring at least that you run out and whack a daedra.
WHY IS THE BOX KILLING THEM?!?!?! Poor little bots