I didn't answer any of the choices in the poll. If a game has a legit way to buy gold, I don't care who buys it or how much they spend (e.f., GW2). It's their life and they can have fun however, they want to as long as they don't hurt others.
Purchasing gold against a games ToS, or from shady dealers I am very much against. It is simply disreputable and it funds crime (credit card theft, stolen accounts, botting, hacking, etc.) This hurts others. The type of person who does this lacks integrity. From a moral or ethical standpoint, I think it's wrong.
when a company makes more profit. players can force the devs to work harder and give you better and more content, and yes that includes wow.
if you spend your money on buying gold from sellers, you essentially causing the company lose money there fore the dev team gets smaller and the game will be effected in terms of every thing from bug fix to new content.
let just you got all the best stuff via buying gold but then due to not supporting the game, it falls in quality and quantity and the irony is those buyers are the first to leave for another game and infect their community as well.
if you spend your money on buying gold from sellers, you essentially causing the company lose money there fore the dev team gets smaller and the game will be effected in terms of every thing from bug fix to new content.
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So... you're saying that if I get gold... I am helping the developers go broke?
Er.... I opened a chest in Wizard 101 once and got 25 gold... gee sorry KingsIsle...
Seriously?
You know that any gold in game (in any game) was generated in game?
Loot drops don't actually come out of the Dev team's pay packet?
I totally took it as buying gold from the losers that bot us to death...to them I wish a harsh death in fire...to the rest...I guess I'm sorry.....
So, in your case, it's the Bots that upset you? Not the gold selling itself?
Really? Seriously?
It's the same damn thing! We have to deal with the bots because people will buy illegal gold....are you friggin really asking this? Are you an MMO player?
What about players that decide to leave the game and cash in?
A personal example - I once had a Neopets account - started it to see what it was and see if it was really 'kid safe'.
I ended up with millions of Neopoints just playing the Neopet stock market - a quick Google tells me I had about $50 worth.
Really I had no interest in it - so if i sell those points that makes me a 3rd party seller - no Bots involved.
My PotBS account was also very rich... again no bots.
I have a LotRO account too - haven't played in a while - I could sell the whole account maybe? Why not? I put the time in?
Vanguard account (probably not much value there now... but still....
Get the idea?
So you'd have no problem with game developers selling fully leveled and/or equipped characters in MMO's for cash ?
I suppose the answer is irrelevant really, seeing as Blizzard have already gone halfway there...
Originally posted by DamonVile I personally read into it that it was 3rd party he was talking about. I bet a lot of people did the same. I totally don't care if someone buys gold from the games store.
Okay... so why?
I mean say you want to buy a mount for WoW and it costs 1000gold.
Blizzard say they will sell you 1000gold for $50.
And a third party says they will sell you 1000gold for $35?
Doesn't that mean blizzard is ripping you off?
What about if Blizzard only sells gold in 200gp lots for $100 (minimum size)? what then?
Say you want to buy a car. The dealership wants $20k the guy in the ski mask in teh dark alley says he only wants $15k.and will even drop it off at your house. Doesn't that mean the dealer is ripping you off ?
I wouldn't buy gold or play a game that forced you into your example so....it's not an issue for me.
I wouldn't buy gold or play a game that forced you into your example so....it's not an issue for me.
That's more the point for me too. I don't like games that focus heavily on loot and 'stuff'. If the game play is that shallow I don't stay anyway.
Games with static mobs that allow bots to farm them also tend to bore me.
So I don't tend to have any really negative experiences with Gold Farmers / Sellers.
Edit: Just an after thought on this topic too: many posters have explained the link between gold sellers and chat spam / bots / account theft and hacking... but has anyone noticed that this forum has had more than a few spam threads on "baba the all knowing psychic / tarot reader / fortune teller / marriage advisor", the guy who sells real passports and driver's licenses and someone who wants us all to move to Jamaica? No gold here.
It's the same damn thing! We have to deal with the bots because people will buy illegal gold....are you friggin really asking this? Are you an MMO player?
What bots?
Even thought most players in instanced groups don't talk, i doubt they are bots. And if they can pass the turing test, why would i care?
I think they should be left alone. Probably me being bias because I used to partake in buying gold. I only bought gold in one game, Lineage 2 and it was simply because the market was nearly impossible to keep up with in the game. You had to have a crafting account constantly selling items from materials that you gathered from your main account and in the process you had no time to do the level grind. I didn't have 100% of my time to devote to Lineage 2 so I just ended up taking the leveling grind and buying adena instead of trying to farm both at the same time.
Originally posted by Panther2103 I think they should be left alone. Probably me being bias because I used to partake in buying gold. I only bought gold in one game, Lineage 2 and it was simply because the market was nearly impossible to keep up with in the game. You had to have a crafting account constantly selling items from materials that you gathered from your main account and in the process you had no time to do the level grind. I didn't have 100% of my time to devote to Lineage 2 so I just ended up taking the leveling grind and buying adena instead of trying to farm both at the same time.
B-Grade was my breaking point. Bought adena to get suited up in B because the prices for both mats and gear seemed to shoot through the roof at that tier. I think the main reason I didn't buy any after that is because they massively changed loot drops and added those buff potions so making adena was far easier.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I've really only ever bought gold in WoW. When there's a new expansion, hitting the level cap and min/maxing gems/enchantments is usually a pretty huge money sink. I'll buy enough to get the upgrades I need before I start raiding as I don't care much for spending hours farming loot drops.
If you to avoid playing a game so badly you want to pay money just to avoid doing so, it would probably be worth reconsidering why you're in that game in the first place.
I don't care what your excuses are. Anyone that buys gold are just as guilty as the gold sellers and their army of bots/hacks/cheats. "I don't want to waste time farming, when I can buy what I want with real money." This is the attitude that they have and it's just the same as cheating.
I personally think MMOs should have a zero tolerance policy against the buyers more than the sellers. Sometimes you see certain developers saying they have banned X amount of bots/gold sellers, but I've rarely heard of buyers being banned. (Probably have but none come to mind.) If you can't win against the sellers, then make the buyers fear that their characters will be deleted and accounts banned, this will put a swift end to the cheaters that pay2win.
If you to avoid playing a game so badly you want to pay money just to avoid doing so, it would probably be worth reconsidering why you're in that game in the first place.
I agree with that. If you're not going to play the game, don't play the game. If you don't have the time to play the game as it's intended to be played, go find something else to do. That's why I don't play competitively at all, why I don't try to keep up with anyone else, I just play it and enjoy playing it and I get where I get when I get there. I will never buy anything out of any cash shop, nor will I ever buy gold, regardless of who is selling it. People who do lose my respect immediately.
If you to avoid playing a game so badly you want to pay money just to avoid doing so, it would probably be worth reconsidering why you're in that game in the first place.
I think it's pretty typical of gamers to take any short cut they can find just to race to the "end" then complain then game is boring and that there's nothing to do.
So being short sighted or doing a little self reflection isn't something these people are really going to fix.
If you to avoid playing a game so badly you want to pay money just to avoid doing so, it would probably be worth reconsidering why you're in that game in the first place.
I think it's pretty typical of gamers to take any short cut they can find just to race to the "end" then complain then game is boring and that there's nothing to do.
So being short sighted or doing a little self reflection isn't something these people are really going to fix.
I would also ask what content is so fun that you have to skip to it? End game is generally the most boring part of the game in my experience. When I get there I often lose interest in the game as my character is no longer progressing. To skip both character progression and gaining items through questing/dungeons seems to defeat the purpose of an RPG.
There are a lot of games out there that would probably cater to those who want endgame MMO without leveling up. Ones that would require you to skip content. Aren't MOBAs sort of like that? There are also multi player games with no level progression that have both PvE and PvP content. Ones that don't require you to progress/gain items hardly at all.
PROBLEM: "I already work in real life...why do i have to work in this game?"- basic mentality of gamers who have jobs.
gotten to familiar with single player games where everything is handed to you and only for a fee of $60 bucks.
lets face it..MMORPGs are for work-at-home,college students and unemployed gamers. Therefore when a gamer who has a job comes in and sees that the top players have alot of hours played in the game hours that a working gamer cant achieve, he buys gold(or in-game currency) as a shortcut to fame.
SOLUTION: since we cant get rid of the swarm that is gold sellers and buyers..let in-game gold be less important, the main reason why gold is bought is for that LEVEL 100 LEGENDARY WEAPON and all you need other than the gold or the time is the level and the class. But we can change that with the implementation of a title system in which you need a certain title (which has to be earned and it wont be easy) to equip the weapon. Can you imagine needing 9000 gold in a game for a weapon? and all you get at endgame is about 10gold per hour that is where the gold seller see $_$ gold can be sold..but a title cant be therefore the weapon would be like 100 gold because its not the gold that matters.
Gold sellers exist for one single purpose... to bring down an MMO from within. Quickest way to kill an MMO is to kill its economy. Quickest way to kill an economy is to flood it with gold. The only ones who win are the gold sellers.
PROBLEM: "I already work in real life...why do i have to work in this game?"- basic mentality of gamers who have jobs.
gotten to familiar with single player games where everything is handed to you and only for a fee of $60 bucks.
lets face it..MMORPGs are for work-at-home,college students and unemployed gamers. Therefore when a gamer who has a job comes in and sees that the top players have alot of hours played in the game hours that a working gamer cant achieve, he buys gold(or in-game currency) as a shortcut to fame.
SOLUTION: since we cant get rid of the swarm that is gold sellers and buyers..let in-game gold be less important, the main reason why gold is bought is for that LEVEL 100 LEGENDARY WEAPON and all you need other than the gold or the time is the level and the class. But we can change that with the implementation of a title system in which you need a certain title (which has to be earned and it wont be easy) to equip the weapon. Can you imagine needing 9000 gold in a game for a weapon? and all you get at endgame is about 10gold per hour that is where the gold seller see $_$ gold can be sold..but a title cant be therefore the weapon would be like 100 gold because its not the gold that matters.
Its kinda already like that in most games isnt? You have to raid to get the best gear and its all BOP, the problem with that is money talks there as well. Guilds sell runs for gold all the time. You know what happens to that gold? They sell it. lol. Wouldnt you as a raider like to make money while you play your game? Isnt that essentially the ultimate goal for all gamers? Getting paid to play games
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I didn't answer any of the choices in the poll. If a game has a legit way to buy gold, I don't care who buys it or how much they spend (e.f., GW2). It's their life and they can have fun however, they want to as long as they don't hurt others.
Purchasing gold against a games ToS, or from shady dealers I am very much against. It is simply disreputable and it funds crime (credit card theft, stolen accounts, botting, hacking, etc.) This hurts others. The type of person who does this lacks integrity. From a moral or ethical standpoint, I think it's wrong.
There's that word "illegal" again. As an earlier poster said - if it was "illegal" they would go to jail - not get banned.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
when a company makes more profit. players can force the devs to work harder and give you better and more content, and yes that includes wow.
if you spend your money on buying gold from sellers, you essentially causing the company lose money there fore the dev team gets smaller and the game will be effected in terms of every thing from bug fix to new content.
let just you got all the best stuff via buying gold but then due to not supporting the game, it falls in quality and quantity and the irony is those buyers are the first to leave for another game and infect their community as well.
GOLD BUYERS MUST GET PERMANENT BAN .
Now it Funds Crime?
I am really going to need to see a link to some proof of that?
Yes, I am sure there are unethical Gold Dealers... anywhere there is money there are people that lack ethics...
But there are unethical players too (and not just the ones that buy gold).
Seriously - some of you are one step away from invoking images of Gold Buyers are all Devil Worshippers!
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
So... you're saying that if I get gold... I am helping the developers go broke?
Er.... I opened a chest in Wizard 101 once and got 25 gold... gee sorry KingsIsle...
Seriously?
You know that any gold in game (in any game) was generated in game?
Loot drops don't actually come out of the Dev team's pay packet?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
I have no idea how many 3rd party gold sellers out there get the gold from bots, or just from grinding it themselves or do it by hacking accounts.
I have no idea if you are a good one or a bad one.
I have no idea if working with you will give me a virus or a keylogger or promote theft or do nothing at all.
I have no way of verifying anything you tell me.
I'll just use the devs, not a third party site. Just isn't worth it.
So you'd have no problem with game developers selling fully leveled and/or equipped characters in MMO's for cash ?
I suppose the answer is irrelevant really, seeing as Blizzard have already gone halfway there...
Depends on the game.
But so long as it doesn't penalize me - no.
I play DDO and they have been doing that there for years IIRC?
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
Say you want to buy a car. The dealership wants $20k the guy in the ski mask in teh dark alley says he only wants $15k.and will even drop it off at your house. Doesn't that mean the dealer is ripping you off ?
I wouldn't buy gold or play a game that forced you into your example so....it's not an issue for me.
That's more the point for me too. I don't like games that focus heavily on loot and 'stuff'. If the game play is that shallow I don't stay anyway.
Games with static mobs that allow bots to farm them also tend to bore me.
So I don't tend to have any really negative experiences with Gold Farmers / Sellers.
Edit: Just an after thought on this topic too: many posters have explained the link between gold sellers and chat spam / bots / account theft and hacking... but has anyone noticed that this forum has had more than a few spam threads on "baba the all knowing psychic / tarot reader / fortune teller / marriage advisor", the guy who sells real passports and driver's licenses and someone who wants us all to move to Jamaica? No gold here.
Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.
What bots?
Even thought most players in instanced groups don't talk, i doubt they are bots. And if they can pass the turing test, why would i care?
Shortcuts are self-defeating means.
That's just, like, my opinion, man.
B-Grade was my breaking point. Bought adena to get suited up in B because the prices for both mats and gear seemed to shoot through the roof at that tier. I think the main reason I didn't buy any after that is because they massively changed loot drops and added those buff potions so making adena was far easier.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
If you to avoid playing a game so badly you want to pay money just to avoid doing so, it would probably be worth reconsidering why you're in that game in the first place.
I don't care what your excuses are. Anyone that buys gold are just as guilty as the gold sellers and their army of bots/hacks/cheats. "I don't want to waste time farming, when I can buy what I want with real money." This is the attitude that they have and it's just the same as cheating.
I personally think MMOs should have a zero tolerance policy against the buyers more than the sellers. Sometimes you see certain developers saying they have banned X amount of bots/gold sellers, but I've rarely heard of buyers being banned. (Probably have but none come to mind.) If you can't win against the sellers, then make the buyers fear that their characters will be deleted and accounts banned, this will put a swift end to the cheaters that pay2win.
I agree with that. If you're not going to play the game, don't play the game. If you don't have the time to play the game as it's intended to be played, go find something else to do. That's why I don't play competitively at all, why I don't try to keep up with anyone else, I just play it and enjoy playing it and I get where I get when I get there. I will never buy anything out of any cash shop, nor will I ever buy gold, regardless of who is selling it. People who do lose my respect immediately.
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I think it's pretty typical of gamers to take any short cut they can find just to race to the "end" then complain then game is boring and that there's nothing to do.
So being short sighted or doing a little self reflection isn't something these people are really going to fix.
I would also ask what content is so fun that you have to skip to it? End game is generally the most boring part of the game in my experience. When I get there I often lose interest in the game as my character is no longer progressing. To skip both character progression and gaining items through questing/dungeons seems to defeat the purpose of an RPG.
There are a lot of games out there that would probably cater to those who want endgame MMO without leveling up. Ones that would require you to skip content. Aren't MOBAs sort of like that? There are also multi player games with no level progression that have both PvE and PvP content. Ones that don't require you to progress/gain items hardly at all.
PROBLEM: "I already work in real life...why do i have to work in this game?"- basic mentality of gamers who have jobs.
gotten to familiar with single player games where everything is handed to you and only for a fee of $60 bucks.
lets face it..MMORPGs are for work-at-home,college students and unemployed gamers. Therefore when a gamer who has a job comes in and sees that the top players have alot of hours played in the game hours that a working gamer cant achieve, he buys gold(or in-game currency) as a shortcut to fame.
SOLUTION: since we cant get rid of the swarm that is gold sellers and buyers..let in-game gold be less important, the main reason why gold is bought is for that LEVEL 100 LEGENDARY WEAPON and all you need other than the gold or the time is the level and the class. But we can change that with the implementation of a title system in which you need a certain title (which has to be earned and it wont be easy) to equip the weapon. Can you imagine needing 9000 gold in a game for a weapon? and all you get at endgame is about 10gold per hour that is where the gold seller see $_$ gold can be sold..but a title cant be therefore the weapon would be like 100 gold because its not the gold that matters.
Its kinda already like that in most games isnt? You have to raid to get the best gear and its all BOP, the problem with that is money talks there as well. Guilds sell runs for gold all the time. You know what happens to that gold? They sell it. lol. Wouldnt you as a raider like to make money while you play your game? Isnt that essentially the ultimate goal for all gamers? Getting paid to play games