£500.00 Dev KIT 2 not am option for lot of people especially for dieing Europe....
450 Euro only for Rent
60 Euro for Bus pass
Food ? Bills ?
Idk but I don't think in near future will be able to buy one even if I desire it so much .....
today with such a price I think 100k It's a big success ....I'm sure millions want to buy it but it's financially possible for most people.
wow!
us dollars its $350 which is 1/2 of a low rent for 1 bedroom!
Eh it doesn't work like that, the price of rent varies greatly depending on where you live, in some places that's nearly the price of a 4 1/2 apartment.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
£500.00 Dev KIT 2 not am option for lot of people especially for dieing Europe....
450 Euro only for Rent
60 Euro for Bus pass
Food ? Bills ?
Idk but I don't think in near future will be able to buy one even if I desire it so much .....
today with such a price I think 100k It's a big success ....I'm sure millions want to buy it but it's financially possible for most people.
wow!
us dollars its $350 which is 1/2 of a low rent for 1 bedroom!
Eh it doesn't work like that, the price of rent varies greatly depending on where you live, in some places that's nearly the price of a 4 1/2 apartment.
where in the US can you rent a 1 bedroom apartment for $350 a month?
because I may very seriously move there given I am looking at early retirement
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
If an mmo doesn't sell 2million box sales on this site it's a failure.
some call xbox one selling over 5 million units a failure.
Some call an mmo with 500k subs a failure.
Based on all that not ready to call Oculus catching on fire yet...as selling 15k less from first to second is usually NOT a good sign.
All of that is irrelevant. You're comparing consumer product sales to sales of development kits used to make a consumer product. You're also assuming every developer needed DevKit 2 to continue working on their projects. Even at that, doesn't 45k kits mean we can very safely say there are a couple hundred developers working on titles for this thing? Maybe even thousands?
That's somehow a bad sign?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
£500.00 Dev KIT 2 not am option for lot of people especially for dieing Europe....
450 Euro only for Rent
60 Euro for Bus pass
Food ? Bills ?
Idk but I don't think in near future will be able to buy one even if I desire it so much .....
today with such a price I think 100k It's a big success ....I'm sure millions want to buy it but it's financially possible for most people.
wow!
us dollars its $350 which is 1/2 of a low rent for 1 bedroom!
Eh it doesn't work like that, the price of rent varies greatly depending on where you live, in some places that's nearly the price of a 4 1/2 apartment.
where in the US can you rent a 1 bedroom apartment for $350 a month?
because I may very seriously move there given I am looking at early retirement
You wouldn't want to live in those neighborhoods.
"I used to think the worst thing in life was to be all alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel all alone." Robin Williams
£500.00 Dev KIT 2 not am option for lot of people especially for dieing Europe....
450 Euro only for Rent
60 Euro for Bus pass
Food ? Bills ?
Idk but I don't think in near future will be able to buy one even if I desire it so much .....
today with such a price I think 100k It's a big success ....I'm sure millions want to buy it but it's financially possible for most people.
wow!
us dollars its $350 which is 1/2 of a low rent for 1 bedroom!
Eh it doesn't work like that, the price of rent varies greatly depending on where you live, in some places that's nearly the price of a 4 1/2 apartment.
where in the US can you rent a 1 bedroom apartment for $350 a month?
because I may very seriously move there given I am looking at early retirement
You wouldn't want to live in those neighborhoods.
Come on now. Living in a rural area isn't that bad. There's plenty of places in rural areas. Actually better deals. Trade skill options or work tends to be rather limited though. Not that pay is horrible given the cost of living in these areas. Comes with there own set of problems but it's a lifestyle. As more people find out and development happens they are fading sadly.
Originally posted by Betaguy Seems like a failure to me. That is a very low number.
Your posts make it clear you chose your nick to be ironic.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
If an mmo doesn't sell 2million box sales on this site it's a failure.
some call xbox one selling over 5 million units a failure.
Some call an mmo with 500k subs a failure.
Based on all that not ready to call Oculus catching on fire yet...as selling 15k less from first to second is usually NOT a good sign.
plus based on the complaint they may be a little light on the wallet soon. A clear sign is why one poster in particular continues to post on ESO and bashes Zenimax even though he has admitted to not playing eso and not knowing anything about Zenimax
He's a little scared that Oculus shadiness is going to come out. I mean there already is the taking millions from kickstarter and turning around and selling it for a couple billion, now that pissed off a lot of people already. Combine that with the lawsuit they are not starting off very well with most gamers.
Put this into context, it's a dev kit, bare bones. Retail versions are not on the shelves, there is no advertising campaign on TV and yet the bare bones package sold a great deal from it's kick starter.
Lets judge it once it goes retail, when games companies start pushing out games that highlight "We use the latest Oculus Rift headset".
I'm waiting on a retail version, the final polished product and I know of many other gaming friends who are doing the same thing as me, waiting.
1. The Oculus is not in a commerical version yet and they are greatly limited by hardware resources. comparing number of units sold to a commerically released product is a bit silly.
2. If Oculus was doing this just for money (just like every other company in the world does by design), would they still keep on working after the Facebook purchase? not sure that makes a lot of sense now does it
Reminds me of all the people who buy into early access... and even after release, the situation remains the same.
Guys! It's only beta, the bugs and optimization problems will be fixed at release!
Guys! It's an indie company, they don't have the same resources as a AAA company... they're doing the best they can!
Guys! They just came out with a 5K television with 4D vision and a parabolic screen with built in expresso machine!
1. The Oculus is not in a commerical version yet and they are greatly limited by hardware resources. comparing number of units sold to a commerically released product is a bit silly.
2. If Oculus was doing this just for money (just like every other company in the world does by design), would they still keep on working after the Facebook purchase? not sure that makes a lot of sense now does it
Reminds me of all the people who buy into early access... and even after release, the situation remains the same.
Guys! It's only beta, the bugs and optimization problems will be fixed at release!
Guys! It's an indie company, they don't have the same resources as a AAA company... they're doing the best they can!
Guys! They just came out with a 5K television with 4D vision and a parabolic screen with built in expresso machine!
We're not talking about bugs and playability, as that is not the gauge the OP is using. The replies are based on units sold, and on that basis, it's pretty damn silly to say if the unit will do well or not, as the people buying it are developers. Why? Because it's a dev kit. Not an alpha, not a beta... a dev kit.
Are people here really this confused about this?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I just read an article on PC Gamer this morning about them banning sales in China. Apparently, they are buying all these up to, not sure if they are holding them to alter the market, resell and it has become a problem. Does that affect how many of these sales are actually relevant?
Why are there some that are so desperate to try and change the minds of those that don't think oculus is going to change the world. It's clear this will be a nice niche product but will not be a mainstream in everyone's homes. Gamers will not be running towards this.
If any other company pulled the the stuff outlined in Zenimax complaint these mind changers would be bashing that company. If any other company did a kickstarter raised a few million bucks then turned around and sold the company for billions these mind changers would screaming at the top of their lungs for evil and corrupt the company is.
Most gamers thinks it's a low blow to sell it for billions after kickstarter, most gamers are waiting to see how shady oculus really is , this lawsuit will bring out the truth about oculus.
Wow has millions and millions trying to get into beta, but the mind changers defense is 100,000 is successful because it's only beta? ESO had millions sign up for their beta. Again the couple white knighting oculus can try and spin the number and try to change everyone's mind but in the end facts and the truth will show the truth not your desperately trying to change everyone's mind.
Why are there some that are so desperate to try and change the minds of those that don't think oculus is going to change the world. It's clear this will be a nice niche product but will not be a mainstream in everyone's homes. Gamers will not be running towards this.
Who in this thread said otherwise?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
1. The Oculus is not in a commerical version yet and they are greatly limited by hardware resources. comparing number of units sold to a commerically released product is a bit silly.
2. If Oculus was doing this just for money (just like every other company in the world does by design), would they still keep on working after the Facebook purchase? not sure that makes a lot of sense now does it
Reminds me of all the people who buy into early access... and even after release, the situation remains the same.
Guys! It's only beta, the bugs and optimization problems will be fixed at release!
Guys! It's an indie company, they don't have the same resources as a AAA company... they're doing the best they can!
Guys! They just came out with a 5K television with 4D vision and a parabolic screen with built in expresso machine!
We're not talking about bugs and playability, as that is not the gauge the OP is using. The replies are based on units sold, and on that basis, it's pretty damn silly to say if the unit will do well or not, as the people buying it are developers. Why? Because it's a dev kit. Not an alpha, not a beta... a dev kit.
Are people here really this confused about this?
People aren't confused. They just form opinions,without thinking things through.
Why are there some that are so desperate to try and change the minds of those that don't think oculus is going to change the world. It's clear this will be a nice niche product but will not be a mainstream in everyone's homes. Gamers will not be running towards this.
Who in this thread said otherwise?
If I say who...I am pretty sure you know already, they will get all embarrassed for being called out and will attempt to report me...so if you don't know by reading this thread well sorry can't help.
1. The Oculus is not in a commerical version yet and they are greatly limited by hardware resources. comparing number of units sold to a commerically released product is a bit silly.
2. If Oculus was doing this just for money (just like every other company in the world does by design), would they still keep on working after the Facebook purchase? not sure that makes a lot of sense now does it
Reminds me of all the people who buy into early access... and even after release, the situation remains the same.
Guys! It's only beta, the bugs and optimization problems will be fixed at release!
Guys! It's an indie company, they don't have the same resources as a AAA company... they're doing the best they can!
Guys! They just came out with a 5K television with 4D vision and a parabolic screen with built in expresso machine!
early access has been the best thing to happen to gaming and other industries as well in a very long time.
nearly all the games I play are early access and they are better than AAA games ironically.
Having said that, its a different conversation, this is about the 2 billion dollar business of Oculus
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Originally posted by Datawarlock Originally posted by Laughing-manOriginally posted by DatawarlockOculus is already dead in the water. Last thing we need is facebook monitoring everything we're doing when we're NOT on facebook. And security/privacy holes aside, there's some nicer looking competition out there. I'm betting on ANTVR. Chinese or not, I've seen a couple tech demos of it, and Oculus is stone age in comparison.
Facebook already does that. Seriously, it does. If you didn't know this then I don't know what to tell you.OR is not dead in the water, it sold 100k copies of a thing that isn't even a consumer version yet. An Alpha version of something selling 100k is insane. Literally mind bogglingly amazing numbers. VR is the future, and the OR is one of the many head sets that will pioneer the way.Nobody's arguing the future of VR, But OR will be the tiny share of it all. Since more people are buying/developing for/gaming on consoles, Sony has a far better shot at pioneering than OR ever will. Then there's Samsung building one for what we'll call 'the poor'. And ANTVR... the one that doesn't need a camera watching you because it's got it's built-in sensors that do the job more effectively, while not having yet another device 'watching' your every move and doing gods know what with the info lol.
Originally posted by SEANMCAD Originally posted by FoobarxOriginally posted by SEANMCADguys!1. The Oculus is not in a commerical version yet and they are greatly limited by hardware resources. comparing number of units sold to a commerically released product is a bit silly.2. If Oculus was doing this just for money (just like every other company in the world does by design), would they still keep on working after the Facebook purchase? not sure that makes a lot of sense now does it
Reminds me of all the people who buy into early access... and even after release, the situation remains the same.Guys! It's only beta, the bugs and optimization problems will be fixed at release!Guys! It's an indie company, they don't have the same resources as a AAA company... they're doing the best they can!Guys! They just came out with a 5K television with 4D vision and a parabolic screen with built in expresso machine!early access has been the best thing to happen to gaming and other industries as well in a very long time.
nearly all the games I play are early access and they are better than AAA games ironically.
Having said that, its a different conversation, this is about the 2 billion dollar business of Oculus
Seriously? "early access" the best thing ever? Uhm... No. Paying for alphas/betas is a horrible idea.
Originally posted by Kicksave321 Why are there some that are so desperate to try and change the minds of those that don't think oculus is going to change the world. It's clear this will be a nice niche product but will not be a mainstream in everyone's homes. Gamers will not be running towards this.
You're guessing. We won't know what'll happen yet. WoW is an established piece of software with free beta. You're comparing this to an expensive hardware prototype intended for developers, which the producer has specifically asked people not to buy unless they are developers, until the release product has been made.
Even if it turns out you are right about Rift/VR not being a common piece of gaming hardware, it will be for the wrong reasons.
Originally posted by SEANMCADguys!1. The Oculus is not in a commerical version yet and they are greatly limited by hardware resources. comparing number of units sold to a commerically released product is a bit silly.2. If Oculus was doing this just for money (just like every other company in the world does by design), would they still keep on working after the Facebook purchase? not sure that makes a lot of sense now does it
Reminds me of all the people who buy into early access... and even after release, the situation remains the same.Guys! It's only beta, the bugs and optimization problems will be fixed at release!Guys! It's an indie company, they don't have the same resources as a AAA company... they're doing the best they can!Guys! They just came out with a 5K television with 4D vision and a parabolic screen with built in expresso machine!
early access has been the best thing to happen to gaming and other industries as well in a very long time.
nearly all the games I play are early access and they are better than AAA games ironically.
Having said that, its a different conversation, this is about the 2 billion dollar business of Oculus
Seriously? "early access" the best thing ever? Uhm... No. Paying for alphas/betas is a horrible idea.
absolutely the best. Granted everyones taste is different but as I have said before to others my gaming life has been this good in decades. You should actually try one of the these games, they are really good.
That said, its a different conversation
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Why are there some that are so desperate to try and change the minds of those that don't think oculus is going to change the world. It's clear this will be a nice niche product but will not be a mainstream in everyone's homes. Gamers will not be running towards this.
If any other company pulled the the stuff outlined in Zenimax complaint these mind changers would be bashing that company. If any other company did a kickstarter raised a few million bucks then turned around and sold the company for billions these mind changers would screaming at the top of their lungs for evil and corrupt the company is.
Most gamers thinks it's a low blow to sell it for billions after kickstarter, most gamers are waiting to see how shady oculus really is , this lawsuit will bring out the truth about oculus.
Wow has millions and millions trying to get into beta, but the mind changers defense is 100,000 is successful because it's only beta? ESO had millions sign up for their beta. Again the couple white knighting oculus can try and spin the number and try to change everyone's mind but in the end facts and the truth will show the truth not your desperately trying to change everyone's mind.
I see it as vice versa. The people who are against oculus are trying to convince everyone that this will be a failed product in the long run because they dont personally like it.
Why are there some that are so desperate to try and change the minds of those that don't think oculus is going to change the world. It's clear this will be a nice niche product but will not be a mainstream in everyone's homes. Gamers will not be running towards this.
If any other company pulled the the stuff outlined in Zenimax complaint these mind changers would be bashing that company. If any other company did a kickstarter raised a few million bucks then turned around and sold the company for billions these mind changers would screaming at the top of their lungs for evil and corrupt the company is.
Most gamers thinks it's a low blow to sell it for billions after kickstarter, most gamers are waiting to see how shady oculus really is , this lawsuit will bring out the truth about oculus.
Wow has millions and millions trying to get into beta, but the mind changers defense is 100,000 is successful because it's only beta? ESO had millions sign up for their beta. Again the couple white knighting oculus can try and spin the number and try to change everyone's mind but in the end facts and the truth will show the truth not your desperately trying to change everyone's mind.
I see it as vice versa. The people who are against oculus are trying to convince everyone that this will be a failed product in the long run because they dont personally like it.
its ironic that the most shady company in this whole story is actually zenimax
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Eh it doesn't work like that, the price of rent varies greatly depending on where you live, in some places that's nearly the price of a 4 1/2 apartment.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
where in the US can you rent a 1 bedroom apartment for $350 a month?
because I may very seriously move there given I am looking at early retirement
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
All of that is irrelevant. You're comparing consumer product sales to sales of development kits used to make a consumer product. You're also assuming every developer needed DevKit 2 to continue working on their projects. Even at that, doesn't 45k kits mean we can very safely say there are a couple hundred developers working on titles for this thing? Maybe even thousands?
That's somehow a bad sign?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
You wouldn't want to live in those neighborhoods.
Can I run new games on high settings at good framerates (60+) with the finished version without dual Titans though?
Seems like a failure to me. That is a very low number. Want to impress me make holographic games way cooler.
To the dude below me, seriously terrible analogy.
Come on now. Living in a rural area isn't that bad. There's plenty of places in rural areas. Actually better deals. Trade skill options or work tends to be rather limited though. Not that pay is horrible given the cost of living in these areas. Comes with there own set of problems but it's a lifestyle. As more people find out and development happens they are fading sadly.
Your posts make it clear you chose your nick to be ironic.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Put this into context, it's a dev kit, bare bones. Retail versions are not on the shelves, there is no advertising campaign on TV and yet the bare bones package sold a great deal from it's kick starter.
Lets judge it once it goes retail, when games companies start pushing out games that highlight "We use the latest Oculus Rift headset".
I'm waiting on a retail version, the final polished product and I know of many other gaming friends who are doing the same thing as me, waiting.
Reminds me of all the people who buy into early access... and even after release, the situation remains the same.
Guys! It's only beta, the bugs and optimization problems will be fixed at release!
Guys! It's an indie company, they don't have the same resources as a AAA company... they're doing the best they can!
Guys! They just came out with a 5K television with 4D vision and a parabolic screen with built in expresso machine!
We're not talking about bugs and playability, as that is not the gauge the OP is using. The replies are based on units sold, and on that basis, it's pretty damn silly to say if the unit will do well or not, as the people buying it are developers. Why? Because it's a dev kit. Not an alpha, not a beta... a dev kit.
Are people here really this confused about this?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Why are there some that are so desperate to try and change the minds of those that don't think oculus is going to change the world. It's clear this will be a nice niche product but will not be a mainstream in everyone's homes. Gamers will not be running towards this.
If any other company pulled the the stuff outlined in Zenimax complaint these mind changers would be bashing that company. If any other company did a kickstarter raised a few million bucks then turned around and sold the company for billions these mind changers would screaming at the top of their lungs for evil and corrupt the company is.
Most gamers thinks it's a low blow to sell it for billions after kickstarter, most gamers are waiting to see how shady oculus really is , this lawsuit will bring out the truth about oculus.
Wow has millions and millions trying to get into beta, but the mind changers defense is 100,000 is successful because it's only beta? ESO had millions sign up for their beta. Again the couple white knighting oculus can try and spin the number and try to change everyone's mind but in the end facts and the truth will show the truth not your desperately trying to change everyone's mind.
Who in this thread said otherwise?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
People aren't confused. They just form opinions,without thinking things through.
If I say who...I am pretty sure you know already, they will get all embarrassed for being called out and will attempt to report me...so if you don't know by reading this thread well sorry can't help.
early access has been the best thing to happen to gaming and other industries as well in a very long time.
nearly all the games I play are early access and they are better than AAA games ironically.
Having said that, its a different conversation, this is about the 2 billion dollar business of Oculus
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Nobody's arguing the future of VR, But OR will be the tiny share of it all. Since more people are buying/developing for/gaming on consoles, Sony has a far better shot at pioneering than OR ever will. Then there's Samsung building one for what we'll call 'the poor'. And ANTVR... the one that doesn't need a camera watching you because it's got it's built-in sensors that do the job more effectively, while not having yet another device 'watching' your every move and doing gods know what with the info lol.
Well said! This is impressive, and staying as far away as possible form any and all things "the facebook" will be in no small number of people's minds. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/805968217/antvr-kit-all-in-one-universal-virtual-reality-kit
early access has been the best thing to happen to gaming and other industries as well in a very long time.
nearly all the games I play are early access and they are better than AAA games ironically.
Having said that, its a different conversation, this is about the 2 billion dollar business of Oculus
Seriously? "early access" the best thing ever? Uhm... No. Paying for alphas/betas is a horrible idea.
Even if it turns out you are right about Rift/VR not being a common piece of gaming hardware, it will be for the wrong reasons.
absolutely the best. Granted everyones taste is different but as I have said before to others my gaming life has been this good in decades. You should actually try one of the these games, they are really good.
That said, its a different conversation
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On the subject of selling Rifts
They are actually trying to sell LESS at the moment, because they want real developers to get them first.
http://www.polygon.com/2014/7/4/5870577/oculus-rift-dev-kit-sals-suspended-in-china-due-to-extreme-reseller
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I see it as vice versa. The people who are against oculus are trying to convince everyone that this will be a failed product in the long run because they dont personally like it.
its ironic that the most shady company in this whole story is actually zenimax
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