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Elder Scrolls Online has ~775,000 subscribers - report
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Im sorry you dont agree. I think 200k is very generous. But thank you for your remarks.
His posted started with " I'm guessing" And there's 3 pages of people asking for his source. I hope none of you are ditectives in real life.
Opintions that are clearly just that don't need sources or links. He didn't try and pass it off as a fact like so many people here do. His only real mistake was trying to justify it after as anything other than what it originally was. His opinion..
Are you reading his posts? You call this an opinion?
"Not really made up. The game didnt sell well, the game had tons of bugs where the majority left. Tons of refunds were given. Given the average retention rate the 200k figure seems about right on the money."
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
How is this different for those who decided to sub?
When I bought the game, I was on a trial, until the moment I decided to sub.
Where do you think subscribers start off?
It's not about having another number, it's about realizing there are no numbers to be had... WHen you're the only one throwing around numbers yes, the burden of proof is on you.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Im sorry you didn't like the game but 700k+ people did.
You better have proof to that number. People dont like when you give numbers.
775k is the guessed current (as of june) not the guess at where it started, 775k would be the retention, which would put sales in the millions. Why would he use that number to back up his claim? it itself is guessed and is not based on any actuality.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
First page top post - More proof than any other given in this thread yet.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
When you buy the box for ESO you get 30 free days. You can try wow for free up to level 20. There is a huge difference in the retention of people that try something for free compared to people that already bought the game.
I can't argue with that. The math being done does make the assumption that it was total sales.
Nope. Not at all. They just made a wild guess. Like I said my number at least have some math added to it.
If someone would like to give anything to discredit what I am saying you are all welcomed to do so.
I dont see how 200k is such a hateful thing to say and why everyone has their panties in a bunch.
Tell that to all the p2p mmos that went f2p.
The article quoting the CEO is from the 11th of Feb. 2010.
World of Warcraft Starter Edition was introduced mid-July 2011.
Edit: I'll stick to my point that it matters not one iota how people pick up WoW. Whether it's by the old 10-day (or however many) trial form or through this new S.E.
After that article I clearly remember this retention rate benchmark being used everywhere and so far has held up for every single MMO launched since. I posted it only because I saw the 50% retention rate comment.
Aside from that, if one has proper estimates about how many clients were sold, then the retention rate benchmarks hold up solidly.
It's not that 200k is a bad thing, it's that you are saying you used math when you didn't use any math. I don't know how much more clear people can be with you. At this point I'm beginning to think there may be a language barrier. The top post discredits everything you say, whether you agree or not, because they have more information than you do.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
He asked you to provide some data proving your statements, can you? He didn't ask if you where sorry or not.
It's a blood in the water thing now. The points have all been made and responding now gives the forum warriors more ammo.
We can only go by what the report says and we will never truly know what the actual numbers are. I quit many weeks ago and its was my perception (while playing) that that BOTS outnumbered the real players. It would be interesting to see actual player numbers versus bot accounts.
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
The top post just says 700k. It doesnt say how they got that number. Thats not discrediting me. Someone can say 10m that still wouldnt discredit me.
Before starter edition was introduced you could still try the game for 10 days and play up to level 20.
You didn't even read the article then. This conversation is moot, and I'm convinced at this point you just want to argue. Repeating yourself over and over doesn't make your guessing turn into real math, no matter how much you want it to be. I'll leave you to harass other people in here, just know that you make me giggle with your inability to achieve a basic understanding of how math works.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.