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There's absolutely no correlation between WoW being a highly successful MMO over the years and their retention rate.
There's absolutely no basis for a statement like, "even though no mmo will have rates as good" (as WoW).
People are grasping at straws because for some malicious reason they don't want to believe that ESO could be that successful. Whether I support a game or not, I'm so sick of this type of behavior.
Those studies aren't made by fans in their basement. It may not hold the exact values of course, but more often than not they are within the ballpark.
Live and let live people. No matter how much you love to hate on certain games, there are a great many people that enjoy them.
Please Note: I'm done arguing with unreasonable people with an agenda and/or those that fail to see logic.
Argue if you must, discount my post with anti-logic and/or Hyperbole. I won't be responding any longer.
Fundamental error about that quote is that it isn't retention rate.
As poster above pointed out by providing full quote:
the WOW quote is exclusive to Trial accounts not subsfull quote
"Currently, only about 30 percent of our trial players make it past this threshold
Making it past level 10 =/= subscriber.
I just reread the last 6 pages again just to make sure and couldn't find anywhere where someone called you a name. You did manage to make several people angry asserting opinions as facts, but nothing that was said could really be constituted as name calling.
The issue, or well my issue at least, wasn't with any sub number figure, it was with spreading opinion as fact.
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
Furthermore..
It's not like random people are trying to use xFire numbers..
But think on this. In Raptr, a lesser-used tracking software, there are 553,849 members of the ESO Community (People that have the game)
Out of those, there are still 367,255 *active* members of that community. That's just Raptr. That's just a sample. Obviously it's a minority that both plays ESO *and* uses Raptr.
I realize these figures are frowned upon, but Raptr reports active community members as well as total community members. At the very least, it's something to think about.
You can load up Raptr, go to the ESO community and see this for yourselves. No links needed. But here, I'll go one further. I'll post relevant screenshot of the information.
You can log in yourself and see this.
Please Note: I'm done arguing with unreasonable people with an agenda and/or those that fail to see logic.
Argue if you must, discount my post with anti-logic and/or Hyperbole. I won't be responding any longer.
The quote before that is
"trial players who play World of Warcraft past level ten are much more likely to stick with the game for a long time" equals sub, or no? How else would one go about playing the game "for a long time"?
Getting past level = more likely to stick to the game for a long time = threshold. That's the about 30% mentioned.
And yet those numbers don't exist, so you couldn't have any of "your" numbers, considering there aren't any numbers to have. You can claim to have numbers all you want to, that doesn't change the definition of math. Also, I'm not mad, as I mentioned before if anything I'm mildly amused/ laughing that someone could fail to see what was wrong with what they said, even after a thread full posts explained why what you said has no basis or makes any sense from any stand point beyond your own. This ends up putting it firmly in the realm of speculative opinion, the same as everyone else in this thread without actual numbers released by ZoS.
And let them get mad at you, it's their own fault for being mad as you said
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
You falsely assume that ALL of those who make it past lvl 10 subscribe. In fact you do not know how many of those 30% actually subscribe.
WOW has trial accts (purchase of game not required)
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/world-of-warcraft-starter-edition
why would the CEO specify Trial players?
anyone buying WOW is given a 30 day month sub -- these accounts are not trials
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Weird how many in this thread think one anonymous poster's opinion is just as valid as what a company that does this as their business is publishing as their educated guess.
Yes, they're all guesses... some much better than others. This is who they are. If you're going to challenge their numbers, tell me who the fuck you are and why I should believe you instead of them.
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You just destroyed 9 pages of arguments with a single post. I thought we were letting them squabble a few more pages first before someone actually saw that SuperData actually works with ZoS and is a leading company in monitoring mobile and MMO gaming trends.
Shame on you Iselin! The thread was getting juicy too!
Currently Playing: ESO and FFXIV
Have played: You name it
If you mention rose tinted glasses, you better be referring to Mitch Hedberg.
I think it's fitty, fitty (50) subs, they've just sold so many horses it seems they have 772k subs.
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I specifically left in the words "more likely to" and "about" thereby indicating that, as per the quote, it's not all of those who get past the threshold.
False assume what? Explain how else would one go about playing "for a long time" in WoW after a trial?
Likely and longer than what or who? Likely than trial players who who didn't make it past lvl 10? Likely as +50% chance? Likely and longer than those who purchased the game without playing a trial?
It's not really much of an info there, at least regarding to retention rate.
I am sorry for my wording, I should have word it better.
My point is, any assertions made towards retention rate based on that quote are rather baseless.
This whole thread is moot until Zenimax gives us numbers. Regurgitating an opinion on hypothetical numbers then arguing over them is senseless. This is a troll thread. Nothing more.
SuperData's numbers are based on "the spending habits of 36.9M users".
Ask yourself a question: what 36.9 million users?
No idea?
Think of some well known gaming add-0ns that purport to track user habits. One that begins with R that often talks about 30M+ users. Maybe one that starts with X as well.
And then say to yourself: the SuperData number is a guess; treat accordingly.
Never understood these kind of threads.
Is the game magically better (or worse) to you if they sold more copies?
If more copies are better WOW is the best game ever for the foreseeable future.
And who believes that?
It is interesting to see what other people like, what the trend is, and there is no better indicator than sales.
So yes, WoW is the best MMO ever made.
And when they published their SWTOR f2p earnings number I remember adding up how much f2p income EA were reporting.
Suffice to say if true then SWTOR was clearly bigger than BattleField, FIFA, Madden, Ultimate Sports and the other games that EA waxed lyrical about. Indeed the execs must have been in danger of being jailed for failing to mention that EA's earnings were so dependent on SWTOR.
Conclusion the number was inaccurate.
Their guesstimates are only as accurate as the spending data of the 36.9M users - which I suspect is Raptr and/or XFire data. (They certainly aren't paying 36.9M people - even a trivial 3 cents a month would be over $1M a month.)
Pretty much this. I am not claiming any reliable numbers because there is none but all evidence points to ESO not doing well. With that being said I do like the direction their heading and will be watching closely. Might even decide to pick it up on Steam in a few weeks after I tire of Hearthstone's Naxx launch next week.
Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!
Subscription Gaming, especially MMO gaming is a Cash grab bigger then the most P2W cash shop!
Bring Back Exploration and lengthy progression times. RPG's have always been about the Journey not the destination!!!
What "evidence"?
Better than my estimation...
10.00 million - 0.75 million = 9.25 million
I was off by 7.5%.
Not too shabby!
The people who hate the game demand numbers. When an independent source provides some, they reject them - because they "know" that the game is terrible, they dislike it, and herefore, everyone else dislikes it too. Any information to the contrary needs to be rejected. It's completely bulletproof, and fascinating in its own pathological way.
You never really know how solid numbers like this are, of course, and that would be a reasonable point. Asserting personal opinion as fact and making up your own numbers out of thin air, however, are not reasonable points.
Ah, good point, their close relationship could be skewing the results to the high side as it is never wise to piss off your customers by publishing unfavorable information about them.
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Good afternoon mister TAX, nice of you to visit us
Mr TAX: You filed in a amount consistent to about 200/250k subscribers, yet we reading you seem to have 3x as much, please explain.
Zenimax: Well mr Tax, we paid SuperDate to forge our date for public means....