I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
or far less.
In statistics you can not take 8% of a sample and extrapolate.
you also have to factor in that there are ton of games you cant buy from a box even if you wanted to. So how many of those joe walmarts out in a small rural town even know DayZ exists?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
EDIT: actually my memory of statistics is rather rusty.
Regardless, fair to say that its dicey to extraploate what 96% of the population is doing based on a non-random sample of only 8%. It likes taking all the red apples for a farm and saying that all apples are red
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
Lol, I think that the 92% numbers counts all games including cell phones, consoles and everything.
We can make the conclusion that ESO is still very popular in the UK from the survey. I would be very careful to draw other conclusions such how the game is doing in the rest of the world but it is still good new for any ESO fan.
Until ESO actually releases games sold and active subscribers all anyone can do is to guess really. The game is hardly doing as well as Zenimax and Bethesda hoped but then the game havn't released on consoles yet so anything can still happen.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
incorrect.
you can not extrapolate from an 8% sample. Even more so if the population size is large.
Yes, you can make an accurate judgement of an overall population with a very small sample. The size of the sample is relevant, but the important part is how well the sample represents the population. If what you were saying was true, then medical studies that get whittled down to 150 people could never be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans, but those teeny, tiny samples do result in information that can be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans.
What you should have said was that you can't necessarily apply the overall trend of 92% of games being sold in digital format when you don't know the details. For instance, did the games even have a physical copy? Were they restricting their information to PC games only, or were they including mobile games in with the PC and console games? Because for console games, it's extremely unlikely that 92% of them are sold in a digital, rather than a physical format. And so on. The relation between the size of the sample and the overall population isn't the reason their thinking is wrong. The only thing we know for sure is that VGChartz reports 450k box sales, and those sales are not a direct count but a bit of an estimate of the sales. You can tell because the sales don't end in a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9.
:-)
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
incorrect.
you can not extrapolate from an 8% sample. Even more so if the population size is large.
Yes, you can make an accurate judgement of an overall population with a very small sample. The size of the sample is relevant, but the important part is how well the sample represents the population. If what you were saying was true, then medical studies that get whittled down to 150 people could never be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans, but those teeny, tiny samples do result in information that can be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans.
What you should have said was that you can't necessarily apply the overall trend of 92% of games being sold in digital format when you don't know the details. For instance, did the games even have a physical copy? Were they restricting their information to PC games only, or were they including mobile games in with the PC and console games? Because for console games, it's extremely unlikely that 92% of them are sold in a digital, rather than a physical format. And so on. The relation between the size of the sample and the overall population isn't the reason their thinking is wrong. The only thing we know for sure is that VGChartz reports 450k box sales, and those sales are not a direct count but a bit of an estimate of the sales. You can tell because the sales don't end in a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9.
:-)
yeah I just found out my memory of statistics was for shit.
Never the less, the 8% of boxed sales in this equation is anything but a random sample
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
Lol, I think that the 92% numbers counts all games including cell phones, consoles and everything.
We can make the conclusion that ESO is still very popular in the UK from the survey. I would be very careful to draw other conclusions such how the game is doing in the rest of the world but it is still good new for any ESO fan.
Until ESO actually releases games sold and active subscribers all anyone can do is to guess really. The game is hardly doing as well as Zenimax and Bethesda hoped but then the game havn't released on consoles yet so anything can still happen.
The 92% figure is specifically PC... add iOS and android to that and the % of digital game sales vs. boxes goes even higher:.
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If 92% of all PC games are downloaded it brings up a lot of quesitons both on this game as well as PC games in general.
1. If players are not not downloading from Steam (in which EOS is far down the list of best selling games) then where do they download and do we all honestly think the majority of PC gamers are NOT downloading from Steam? because they are not then with a Steam active user base of 75 million that would mean the PC gaming population is ginormus!
2. When it comes to PC vs Console wars if Steam data is not factored in its completely a waste of time.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
So yeah top of PC chart sales and not even in top 40 game sales - it means PC games arent selling for shit and ESO total sales were low even as number one on that PC chart.
Who cares? Everyone and their dog knew that console games were selling a lot more than PC games. Why are we comparing ESO to console games?
Anyways ESO is one of the very few MMOs where I found tons of UK people playing. At launch everyone in my guild turned out to be from the UK lol.
PC games now outsell console game. That trend started in 2012 I think
You mean PC only games outsell the console version?
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
incorrect.
you can not extrapolate from an 8% sample. Even more so if the population size is large.
Yes, you can make an accurate judgement of an overall population with a very small sample. The size of the sample is relevant, but the important part is how well the sample represents the population. If what you were saying was true, then medical studies that get whittled down to 150 people could never be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans, but those teeny, tiny samples do result in information that can be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans.
What you should have said was that you can't necessarily apply the overall trend of 92% of games being sold in digital format when you don't know the details. For instance, did the games even have a physical copy? Were they restricting their information to PC games only, or were they including mobile games in with the PC and console games? Because for console games, it's extremely unlikely that 92% of them are sold in a digital, rather than a physical format. And so on. The relation between the size of the sample and the overall population isn't the reason their thinking is wrong. The only thing we know for sure is that VGChartz reports 450k box sales, and those sales are not a direct count but a bit of an estimate of the sales. You can tell because the sales don't end in a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9.
:-)
yeah I just found out my memory of statistics was for shit.
Never the less, the 8% of boxed sales in this equation is anything but a random sample
What 8% ?
450k boxes is what's sold. Even if digital was one to one with boxes the game still sold really well. If you look at every other pc game digital sales far out pace boxes ( the whole point of the story you quoted and apparently ignored ) that number is going to be higher. Who really cares how much higher once you hit the it did well point.
It hasn't passed wow, it didn't flop. that's about what people know for sure.
The 92% figure is specifically PC... add iOS and android to that and the % of digital game sales vs. boxes goes even higher:.
Hmm, you are right. A research company called DFC concluded it. Since most digital companies doesn't actually give out numbers though it should be considered an educated guess.
Still doesn't change anything, it is good for ESO that they are still no1 on the British retail stores but you can't get the sales number by multiplying ESOs distributed 450K copies with 9 either.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
incorrect.
you can not extrapolate from an 8% sample. Even more so if the population size is large.
Yes, you can make an accurate judgement of an overall population with a very small sample. The size of the sample is relevant, but the important part is how well the sample represents the population. If what you were saying was true, then medical studies that get whittled down to 150 people could never be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans, but those teeny, tiny samples do result in information that can be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans.
What you should have said was that you can't necessarily apply the overall trend of 92% of games being sold in digital format when you don't know the details. For instance, did the games even have a physical copy? Were they restricting their information to PC games only, or were they including mobile games in with the PC and console games? Because for console games, it's extremely unlikely that 92% of them are sold in a digital, rather than a physical format. And so on. The relation between the size of the sample and the overall population isn't the reason their thinking is wrong. The only thing we know for sure is that VGChartz reports 450k box sales, and those sales are not a direct count but a bit of an estimate of the sales. You can tell because the sales don't end in a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9.
:-)
yeah I just found out my memory of statistics was for shit.
Never the less, the 8% of boxed sales in this equation is anything but a random sample
What 8% ?
450k boxes is what's sold. Even if digital was one to one with boxes the game still sold really well. If you look at every other pc game digital sales far out pace boxes ( the whole point of the story you quoted and apparently ignored ) that number is going to be higher. Who really cares how much higher once you hit the it did well point.
It hasn't passed wow, it didn't flop. that's about what people know for sure.
from my understanding of that post 92% of PC games are downloaded. Meaning 8% are store bought. Additionally not all games on download can be bought with a box.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
If 92% of all PC games are downloaded it brings up a lot of quesitons both on this game as well as PC games in general.
1. If players are not not downloading from Steam (in which EOS is far down the list of best selling games) then where do they download and do we all honestly think the majority of PC gamers are NOT downloading from Steam? because they are not then with a Steam active user base of 75 million that would mean the PC gaming population is ginormus!
2. When it comes to PC vs Console wars if Steam data is not factored in its completely a waste of time.
Steam didn't have the game at launch ( afaik ) which is why it's numbers are so low.
So yeah top of PC chart sales and not even in top 40 game sales - it means PC games arent selling for shit and ESO total sales were low even as number one on that PC chart.
Who cares? Everyone and their dog knew that console games were selling a lot more than PC games. Why are we comparing ESO to console games?
Anyways ESO is one of the very few MMOs where I found tons of UK people playing. At launch everyone in my guild turned out to be from the UK lol.
PC games now outsell console game. That trend started in 2012 I think
You mean PC only games outsell the console version?
no...as a whole, PC games sell more than console games overall.
Trouble is a lot of the info people see is for ONLY boxes which is asine
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
incorrect.
you can not extrapolate from an 8% sample. Even more so if the population size is large.
Yes, you can make an accurate judgement of an overall population with a very small sample. The size of the sample is relevant, but the important part is how well the sample represents the population. If what you were saying was true, then medical studies that get whittled down to 150 people could never be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans, but those teeny, tiny samples do result in information that can be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans.
What you should have said was that you can't necessarily apply the overall trend of 92% of games being sold in digital format when you don't know the details. For instance, did the games even have a physical copy? Were they restricting their information to PC games only, or were they including mobile games in with the PC and console games? Because for console games, it's extremely unlikely that 92% of them are sold in a digital, rather than a physical format. And so on. The relation between the size of the sample and the overall population isn't the reason their thinking is wrong. The only thing we know for sure is that VGChartz reports 450k box sales, and those sales are not a direct count but a bit of an estimate of the sales. You can tell because the sales don't end in a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9.
:-)
yeah I just found out my memory of statistics was for shit.
Never the less, the 8% of boxed sales in this equation is anything but a random sample
What 8% ?
450k boxes is what's sold. Even if digital was one to one with boxes the game still sold really well. If you look at every other pc game digital sales far out pace boxes ( the whole point of the story you quoted and apparently ignored ) that number is going to be higher. Who really cares how much higher once you hit the it did well point.
It hasn't passed wow, it didn't flop. that's about what people know for sure.
from my understanding of that post 92% of PC games are downloaded. Meaning 8% are store bought. Additionally not all games on download can be bought with a box.
The first link said that. The second link is to a boxed sale only monitor that says it sold 450k boxes. I don't think anyone even included the first link in anything. It could mean anything or include any type of game. You just got distracted by it, we ignored it :P
If 92% of all PC games are downloaded it brings up a lot of quesitons both on this game as well as PC games in general.
1. If players are not not downloading from Steam (in which EOS is far down the list of best selling games) then where do they download and do we all honestly think the majority of PC gamers are NOT downloading from Steam? because they are not then with a Steam active user base of 75 million that would mean the PC gaming population is ginormus!
2. When it comes to PC vs Console wars if Steam data is not factored in its completely a waste of time.
Steam didn't have the game at launch ( afaik ) which is why it's numbers are so low.
that is true. The only problem is it doesnt address my questions related to sales now and two, what other data do we have about digital downloads at launch? none I assume.
So the problem with assuming that sales of PC download games are high because boxed sales are high is extreemly dicy even more so when the only data to show downloads is rather bad.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I don't even know where I'd go to buy a boxed copy of a game anymore ? every games story near me just has console games on the shelves and used copies of PC games that are mostly 2 or 3 years old.
They can special order you in a box if you want to wait a week or two but they don't stock them anymore.
Also..I read a funny article on forbes where the contributor learned the hard way just how many more digital sales there are than retail. They were quoting figures from some game ( it might have been eso ) and said it only sold 75k boxes and there's no way it's going to double that in digital sales so it's a huge flop. It ended up selling 750k units it's first month. Those aren't hard numbers so don't quote me, I read it a while ago.
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
Even after buying the game it's hard to tell how well it's doing in an overall population sense. Just because there are lot's of people around in zones doesn't exactly mean the overall pop is high. The megaserver is great for that, but it's horrible as far as using area population as a judgement for overall current success/retention.
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with digital downloads being the overwhemling majority of how PC gamers access games we need that data. Otherwise the truth can go either way.
How could it go either way.... you said it right there in your post. digital downloads are the overwhelming majority of how pc games are sold. If you know the box number already and it's a big number..... why would this game break that trend ? Nothing about the games population indicates it did.
with digital downloads being the overwhemling majority of how PC gamers access games we need that data. Otherwise the truth can go either way.
How could it go either way.... you said it right there in your post. digital downloads are the overwhelming majority of how pc games are sold. If you know the box number already and it's a big number..... why would this game break that trend ? Nothing about the games population indicates it did.
ok let me break it down for you
8% of PC games are box sales
92% of digtial download.
So why does that matter? two main reasons.
1. the demographic of who downloads vs who buys boxes now is different. What is the gaming preference of those demographics? we dont know. It could be that those who prefer to buy boxes are only going to look at games in boxes thus the amount of options is far smaller. make sense? So when faced with Sims 3 or ESO they might all perhaps select ESO. Where as the download commuty is very different.
2. Given that ESO was not on Steam during opening week suggests that the amount of downloads was likely much smaller than it could have been. What is that exact number? we dont know. Download on opening week would have been 100% of people going to one place. the ESO site.
so given that the demographics of the two consumers are very different its not safe to assume either way.
ADDED: also if you look at the two posts from that site here in this thread you will notice something interesting.
ESO is number 1 for (full price) sales. For (all prices) they dont even make the list
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
If 92% of all PC games are downloaded it brings up a lot of quesitons both on this game as well as PC games in general.
1. If players are not not downloading from Steam (in which EOS is far down the list of best selling games) then where do they download and do we all honestly think the majority of PC gamers are NOT downloading from Steam? because they are not then with a Steam active user base of 75 million that would mean the PC gaming population is ginormus!
2. When it comes to PC vs Console wars if Steam data is not factored in its completely a waste of time.
Steam didn't have the game at launch ( afaik ) which is why it's numbers are so low.
Steams numbers are low because they are charging £50 for the game plus more money for DLC, as I stated before you can buy the game for £11.99 inc DLC from elsewhere.
While we all use Steam the only time I now purchase from them is in their mega sales, it is far cheaper to get the latest games else where at a much better discounted price.
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http://gamerant.com/pc-digital-physical-sales-comparison-2013/
"A new report states that 92% of PC game sales in 2013 were digital downloads..."
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/70799/the-elder-scrolls-online/
450k Physical boxes as of Aug. 9th
Wonder what this says about overall sales. ESO may have sold way more than any of us would have thought.
or far less.
In statistics you can not take 8% of a sample and extrapolate.
you also have to factor in that there are ton of games you cant buy from a box even if you wanted to. So how many of those joe walmarts out in a small rural town even know DayZ exists?
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
don't play, but good for them. Every little bit helps
I self identify as a monkey.
I think if a game sold 450k physical copies then it's done very well over all. I don't play the game so couldn't even guess at how well it's doing but from everything I've heard it's fun and full of people. Guessing at numbers is something people could do for fun but anyone saying it's done poorly are just expressing blind hate ...like always.
EDIT: actually my memory of statistics is rather rusty.
Regardless, fair to say that its dicey to extraploate what 96% of the population is doing based on a non-random sample of only 8%. It likes taking all the red apples for a farm and saying that all apples are red
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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Lol, I think that the 92% numbers counts all games including cell phones, consoles and everything.
We can make the conclusion that ESO is still very popular in the UK from the survey. I would be very careful to draw other conclusions such how the game is doing in the rest of the world but it is still good new for any ESO fan.
Until ESO actually releases games sold and active subscribers all anyone can do is to guess really. The game is hardly doing as well as Zenimax and Bethesda hoped but then the game havn't released on consoles yet so anything can still happen.
Yes, you can make an accurate judgement of an overall population with a very small sample. The size of the sample is relevant, but the important part is how well the sample represents the population. If what you were saying was true, then medical studies that get whittled down to 150 people could never be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans, but those teeny, tiny samples do result in information that can be applied to the overall population of 7 billion humans.
What you should have said was that you can't necessarily apply the overall trend of 92% of games being sold in digital format when you don't know the details. For instance, did the games even have a physical copy? Were they restricting their information to PC games only, or were they including mobile games in with the PC and console games? Because for console games, it's extremely unlikely that 92% of them are sold in a digital, rather than a physical format. And so on. The relation between the size of the sample and the overall population isn't the reason their thinking is wrong. The only thing we know for sure is that VGChartz reports 450k box sales, and those sales are not a direct count but a bit of an estimate of the sales. You can tell because the sales don't end in a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or a 9.
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yeah I just found out my memory of statistics was for shit.
Never the less, the 8% of boxed sales in this equation is anything but a random sample
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The 92% figure is specifically PC... add iOS and android to that and the % of digital game sales vs. boxes goes even higher:.
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I don't know why OP feels the need to convince anyone *shrugs*
As long as it is getting regular game updates that is the only thing that matters.
This is what I do when I'm waiting for The Aldmeri Dominion or Ebonheart Pact to attack a Daggerfall Keep. Or when I crash
If 92% of all PC games are downloaded it brings up a lot of quesitons both on this game as well as PC games in general.
1. If players are not not downloading from Steam (in which EOS is far down the list of best selling games) then where do they download and do we all honestly think the majority of PC gamers are NOT downloading from Steam? because they are not then with a Steam active user base of 75 million that would mean the PC gaming population is ginormus!
2. When it comes to PC vs Console wars if Steam data is not factored in its completely a waste of time.
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You mean PC only games outsell the console version?
What 8% ?
450k boxes is what's sold. Even if digital was one to one with boxes the game still sold really well. If you look at every other pc game digital sales far out pace boxes ( the whole point of the story you quoted and apparently ignored ) that number is going to be higher. Who really cares how much higher once you hit the it did well point.
It hasn't passed wow, it didn't flop. that's about what people know for sure.
Hmm, you are right. A research company called DFC concluded it. Since most digital companies doesn't actually give out numbers though it should be considered an educated guess.
Still doesn't change anything, it is good for ESO that they are still no1 on the British retail stores but you can't get the sales number by multiplying ESOs distributed 450K copies with 9 either.
from my understanding of that post 92% of PC games are downloaded. Meaning 8% are store bought. Additionally not all games on download can be bought with a box.
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Steam didn't have the game at launch ( afaik ) which is why it's numbers are so low.
no...as a whole, PC games sell more than console games overall.
Trouble is a lot of the info people see is for ONLY boxes which is asine
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The first link said that. The second link is to a boxed sale only monitor that says it sold 450k boxes. I don't think anyone even included the first link in anything. It could mean anything or include any type of game. You just got distracted by it, we ignored it :P
that is true. The only problem is it doesnt address my questions related to sales now and two, what other data do we have about digital downloads at launch? none I assume.
So the problem with assuming that sales of PC download games are high because boxed sales are high is extreemly dicy even more so when the only data to show downloads is rather bad.
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with digital downloads being the overwhemling majority of how PC gamers access games we need that data. Otherwise the truth can go either way.
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Even after buying the game it's hard to tell how well it's doing in an overall population sense. Just because there are lot's of people around in zones doesn't exactly mean the overall pop is high. The megaserver is great for that, but it's horrible as far as using area population as a judgement for overall current success/retention.
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How could it go either way.... you said it right there in your post. digital downloads are the overwhelming majority of how pc games are sold. If you know the box number already and it's a big number..... why would this game break that trend ? Nothing about the games population indicates it did.
ok let me break it down for you
8% of PC games are box sales
92% of digtial download.
So why does that matter? two main reasons.
1. the demographic of who downloads vs who buys boxes now is different. What is the gaming preference of those demographics? we dont know. It could be that those who prefer to buy boxes are only going to look at games in boxes thus the amount of options is far smaller. make sense? So when faced with Sims 3 or ESO they might all perhaps select ESO. Where as the download commuty is very different.
2. Given that ESO was not on Steam during opening week suggests that the amount of downloads was likely much smaller than it could have been. What is that exact number? we dont know. Download on opening week would have been 100% of people going to one place. the ESO site.
so given that the demographics of the two consumers are very different its not safe to assume either way.
ADDED: also if you look at the two posts from that site here in this thread you will notice something interesting.
ESO is number 1 for (full price) sales. For (all prices) they dont even make the list
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Steams numbers are low because they are charging £50 for the game plus more money for DLC, as I stated before you can buy the game for £11.99 inc DLC from elsewhere.
While we all use Steam the only time I now purchase from them is in their mega sales, it is far cheaper to get the latest games else where at a much better discounted price.