I watched a couple of streams since yesterday and all i saw was a rather shallow game.
-people fighting the same packs of mobs in the same way on various small maps
-people being in the same questhub to get missions (?) to enter said maps
-people pvp'ed (yawn...)
Maybe the channels i watched weren't too advanced as the game just went live, but to me it looked like everyone's activity consisted of doing the very same stuff all the time, just on different maps.
I wonder how being able to sit, dance or upgrade weapons makes this game an RPG and i also did not see an "open" world at all. Maybe for the console gamers who only know shooters and never played an rpg this is the shiz.
What you saw on the streams are people rushing through the story missions, completely ignoring Exploration and bounties. /sigh
The Story missions lead into "spawn restricted" phase instances, where you have to complete sertain objectives.
When you start picking up bounties (from Level 4) you can enter the map in Exploration mode and have the entire map With dozens of pick up missions scattered around at your disposal. The maps are huge in exploration mode. Then it's basically open world, where you run into other players.
How big are the maps? Are they as big as a WoW zone? 3 times the size? 1/2 the size?
Each map is huge. Much larger than the average vanilla WoW zone. Guessing... old Russia for example is more or less about 3 to 4 Vanilla WoW zones for sure.
The maps are really huge and they have to be, as you can go fast in afterburn mode with your sparrow. It's awesome
I watched a couple of streams since yesterday and all i saw was a rather shallow game.
-people fighting the same packs of mobs in the same way on various small maps
-people being in the same questhub to get missions (?) to enter said maps
-people pvp'ed (yawn...)
Maybe the channels i watched weren't too advanced as the game just went live, but to me it looked like everyone's activity consisted of doing the very same stuff all the time, just on different maps.
I wonder how being able to sit, dance or upgrade weapons makes this game an RPG and i also did not see an "open" world at all. Maybe for the console gamers who only know shooters and never played an rpg this is the shiz.
What you saw on the streams are people rushing through the story missions, completely ignoring Exploration and bounties. /sigh
The Story missions lead into "spawn restricted" phase instances, where you have to complete sertain objectives.
When you start picking up bounties (from Level 4) you can enter the map in Exploration mode and have the entire map With dozens of pick up missions scattered around at your disposal. The maps are huge in exploration mode. Then it's basically open world, where you run into other players.
How big are the maps? Are they as big as a WoW zone? 3 times the size? 1/2 the size?
Each map is huge. Much larger than the average vanilla WoW zone. Guessing... old Russia for example is more or less about 3 to 4 Vanilla WoW zones for sure.
The maps are really huge and they have to be, as you can go fast in afterburn mode with your sparrow. It's awesome
Again, unless it's changed drastically since the open beta, the zones are not 3 to 4 times the size of Vanilla WoW zones.. That was not the experience I had in Old Russia. They were maybe the same size, but even that is kind of stretching it, in my opinion.
I watched a couple of streams since yesterday and all i saw was a rather shallow game.
-people fighting the same packs of mobs in the same way on various small maps
-people being in the same questhub to get missions (?) to enter said maps
-people pvp'ed (yawn...)
Maybe the channels i watched weren't too advanced as the game just went live, but to me it looked like everyone's activity consisted of doing the very same stuff all the time, just on different maps.
I wonder how being able to sit, dance or upgrade weapons makes this game an RPG and i also did not see an "open" world at all. Maybe for the console gamers who only know shooters and never played an rpg this is the shiz.
What you saw on the streams are people rushing through the story missions, completely ignoring Exploration and bounties. /sigh
The Story missions lead into "spawn restricted" phase instances, where you have to complete sertain objectives.
When you start picking up bounties (from Level 4) you can enter the map in Exploration mode and have the entire map With dozens of pick up missions scattered around at your disposal. The maps are huge in exploration mode. Then it's basically open world, where you run into other players.
How big are the maps? Are they as big as a WoW zone? 3 times the size? 1/2 the size?
Each map is huge. Much larger than the average vanilla WoW zone. Guessing... old Russia for example is more or less about 3 to 4 Vanilla WoW zones for sure.
The maps are really huge and they have to be, as you can go fast in afterburn mode with your sparrow. It's awesome
Again, unless it's changed drastically since the open beta, the zones are not 3 to 4 times the size of Vanilla WoW zones.. That was not the experience I had in Old Russia. They were maybe the same size, but even that is kind of stretching it, in my opinion.
Were you able to play it in Exploration mode, doing bounties? I have spend over 4 hours in Old Russia today and still haven't explored and seen the entire map. I am Level 9 now before I logged off. So the last 2 hours today I spend on the Moon.
Old Russia has about 3-4 large sectors, which are seamless connected. Each sector has the size of an average Vanilla WoW zone.
I watched a couple of streams since yesterday and all i saw was a rather shallow game.
-people fighting the same packs of mobs in the same way on various small maps
-people being in the same questhub to get missions (?) to enter said maps
-people pvp'ed (yawn...)
Maybe the channels i watched weren't too advanced as the game just went live, but to me it looked like everyone's activity consisted of doing the very same stuff all the time, just on different maps.
I wonder how being able to sit, dance or upgrade weapons makes this game an RPG and i also did not see an "open" world at all. Maybe for the console gamers who only know shooters and never played an rpg this is the shiz.
What you saw on the streams are people rushing through the story missions, completely ignoring Exploration and bounties. /sigh
The Story missions lead into "spawn restricted" phase instances, where you have to complete sertain objectives.
When you start picking up bounties (from Level 4) you can enter the map in Exploration mode and have the entire map With dozens of pick up missions scattered around at your disposal. The maps are huge in exploration mode. Then it's basically open world, where you run into other players.
How big are the maps? Are they as big as a WoW zone? 3 times the size? 1/2 the size?
Each map is huge. Much larger than the average vanilla WoW zone. Guessing... old Russia for example is more or less about 3 to 4 Vanilla WoW zones for sure.
The maps are really huge and they have to be, as you can go fast in afterburn mode with your sparrow. It's awesome
Again, unless it's changed drastically since the open beta, the zones are not 3 to 4 times the size of Vanilla WoW zones.. That was not the experience I had in Old Russia. They were maybe the same size, but even that is kind of stretching it, in my opinion.
Were you able to play it in Exploration mode, doing bounties? I have spend over 4 hours in Old Russia today and still haven't explored and seen the entire map. I am Level 9 now before I logged off. So the last 2 hours today I spend on the Moon.
Old Russia has about 3-4 large sectors, which are seamless connected. Each sector has the size of an average Vanilla WoW zone.
I did, and I just don't remember Old Russia being that larger at all. There were certainly interesting terrain (abandoned buildings and caves), but it didn't seem that big to me. Maybe it is the Sparrow's speed that made it seem smaller, I dunno. I'm still on the fence about picking it up. It just isn't what was advertised: a revolutionary new way of doing shooters. I didn't see that revolution in beta. Polished as hell, yes. Pretty as hell, yes. Gunplay? Sure is solid, but who didn't think it would be, coming from Bungie? I expected more risk brought on by stronger ambition. Shared world is great, but there aren't even great tools to facilitate sharing the world other than other players spawning in your instance. I was expecting Crysis and Bioshock levels of interactivity in gameplay with the power system; I feel like I got much less. Even the new Far Cry titles seem to bring more "abilities" and tactical options than does Destiny.
I've watched consoles decay the depth, breadth and intricacy of computer games and their market...
I'll not participate in them doing the same to MMOs.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire: Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
I found the best place ever to get accurate game reviews. Go into any Walmart on the planet during the graveyard shift. There are always no less than 2 stockers on each isle working and talking about games. They don't talk just among themselves, they yell to the next isle over and talk about gaming to the other groups working. Thursday, at 1am, go to Walmart and you will have your answer to Destiny's Destiny. Or, you can come here and get rolled over the coals for having an opinion!
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
Each map is huge. Much larger than the average vanilla WoW zone. Guessing... old Russia for example is more or less about 3 to 4 Vanilla WoW zones for sure.
The maps are really huge and they have to be, as you can go fast in afterburn mode with your sparrow. It's awesome
This is completely wrong - Old Russia is *tiny* - same as the moon map which one guy explored in entirety today on twitch in 25 minutes which included a lot of stops to fight etc...
IMO Destiny with 4 playable areas at launch - is very small.
And how much time does it take to traverse the average vanilla WoW zone?
I rest my case.
You have no console, have not tried the game. Watching some stream videos doesn´t tell you anything, because you don´t know what he was doing! A lot of them also played the Beta extensivily.
I have watched several of those streams yesterday and day before, and most of them were rushing through the story missions, just so they could unlock the moon, do story missions there, etc. Ignoring large sections of the map. Many People don´t even know they can pick up bounties in The Tower and enter the maps in exploration mode! /facepalm
I actually play the game and I can tell you I spend over 4 hours yesterday in Old Russia alone and still haven´t seen the entire map. Then I played another 2 hours on the moon. And so far I have only done the first story mission there, then switched to exploration and did a Bounty.
Bill, I agree with you 100% on this. While I've been enjoying the game over the past day or so, the constant loading screens are enough to try anyone's patience. I'm excited to see what kind of improvements Bungie makes to game in the future. If they have a "10 year plan" for Destiny, I hope that it includes major updates to systems like the loading screen. But overall, another fun game from Bungie.
Yikes a lot of horrible reviews from users on MetaCritic..not that I think those reviews are always accurate....in fact I think user reviews are usually horribly skewed down there...but I'm wondering if this game's praise from Bill will be disconnected from reality like his Wildstar review.
Originally posted by Drainage Content burners ruin games. Unrealistic expectations.
It really is a problem. Always has been tho. Especially with MMO´s.
There are a lot of People currently complaining on Bungie forums that they got bored after 4 hours. Some even burning 17 hours straight. o.0
An when you ask every single one of them if they have actually checked around in The Tower, picked up bounties there and enter the maps in Exploration mode, picking up scout missions, doing Public Events, harvesting materials for armor Upgrades, etc.
Every single one of them said NO! Most of them didn´t even know they could pick up bounties and that there is Exploration!
All they did is burning through the story missions. /shrug
I trully think that is the main problem now. Most of the People are treating it like another Halo, Battlefield, CoD game.
Halo, Battlefield and CoD only have a main campain and then you are left with PVP maps.
So People currently play Destiny the same way. Just burning through the story missions and get bored. Think that that is all there is.
It´s really dumb! As the story campain is just a tiny part of the game. I think it´s just a total of 20 or so missions. 12-16 hours or so. Just standard story campain fair in this genre.
Exploration mode is Destiny´s strongest part! It really opens up the game, with lots of stuff to do on each map!
Bounties, scout missions, harvesting materials for upgrades, exploring every nook and crany for rare mob spawns, loot chest, hunting that ilusive rare chest (golden chest), etc
Then I haven´t even mentioned the Strikes (Group Dungeons) and the Glass Vault RAID that doesn´t open until next week.
And this is just the PVE part of the game. If People want, they can just ignore most of the PVE and Level up through PVP and upgrade their gear at the crucible reputation vendors!
Sadly I still have trouble putting FPS and Console in the same sentence, I know it has become some thing but for FPS games the PC is far and wide superior to me. It just plain feels wrong.
I have felt the exact same for many years! Man I played Unreal Tournament ´99 and Quake for years! Before that the Doom and Hexen games. After that Battlefield 1942 with Forgotten Hope mod for years, along UT 2004.
PC all the way! I completely ignored consoles at that time.
The XBOX360 was actually the first console I bought myself and I did it because a colleague suckered me in with Crackdown (Xbox exclusive)! Was the sole reason I bought the thing at the time. Game was amazing and so inredibly addictive. Especially in COOP mode lol.
Then I slowly played more on consoles time to time. Played Elder Scrolls games on it. Played Halo on it.
And now with the PS4 I am blown away. The DS4 Controller is amazing. Love it! I currently play both DCUO and FFXIV on it.
The Control schemes for FFXIV are incredibly intuitive! It´s just great to switch to PS4 from PC late in evening and relax on the couch and play on TV.
And now I am having a blast in Destiny! Bit rusty, but getting the hang of it. Haven´t played any FPS games for quite some time. Been stuck in RPG´s and MMO´s too much lately hehe.
I think that is also the difference right here and why I enjoy Destiny so much.
I play the game with the MMO / RPG mind set and so play every aspect Destiny currently has to offer. Mostly Exploration mode.
While most of the People currently play Destiny with the Halo/CoD/BF mindset, blow through story campain and ignore the rest.
I played the beta and had a blast since it was new to me and free, however after about a month of reflection and getting my own personally taste on this title on my xbox one, I am going to wait till it hit's the gamestop used game wall. Call me cheap, but I got a feeling I am going to see multiple copies of this game on the gamestop wall after Christmas and by then, it's just another game title.
So if your a diehard fan of Destiny and this is the title in which you bought your PS4 or Xbox one for, you'll definitely enjoy it, I just don't see much longevity on any console title developers make.
You know what, I've been playing this on the xbox 360, besides not being able to play alongside my Xbox One friends (this is really nasty) I'm having a blast.
It combines what I loved about Halo with a dabble into borderlands style character customisation. I also like the simplex itemisation. Borderlands was fun but the itemisation stats meant that I spent far too much time sorting my inventory and optimising gear. The storyline isn't overly inspiring so far and Peter Dinklage is about as emotive as a frozen potato.
So far so good. I also like that I can solo it for now while I make up my mind if I'm going to get deep enough into this to bother with a Xbox Live Gold pass.
People defending Destiny: -"Just wait to try the beta before saying it sucks." -"That was only beta. Just wait to play the full game before saying it sucks." -"The game has only been out a day. Get to max level before saying it sucks." -"Game is still new. Just wait until some DLC is released before saying it sucks."
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Great console fps game no doubt.
Dont look much mmo tho. if u compare Planetside...
Each map is huge. Much larger than the average vanilla WoW zone. Guessing... old Russia for example is more or less about 3 to 4 Vanilla WoW zones for sure.
The maps are really huge and they have to be, as you can go fast in afterburn mode with your sparrow. It's awesome
Again, unless it's changed drastically since the open beta, the zones are not 3 to 4 times the size of Vanilla WoW zones.. That was not the experience I had in Old Russia. They were maybe the same size, but even that is kind of stretching it, in my opinion.
Were you able to play it in Exploration mode, doing bounties? I have spend over 4 hours in Old Russia today and still haven't explored and seen the entire map. I am Level 9 now before I logged off. So the last 2 hours today I spend on the Moon.
Old Russia has about 3-4 large sectors, which are seamless connected. Each sector has the size of an average Vanilla WoW zone.
I did, and I just don't remember Old Russia being that larger at all. There were certainly interesting terrain (abandoned buildings and caves), but it didn't seem that big to me. Maybe it is the Sparrow's speed that made it seem smaller, I dunno. I'm still on the fence about picking it up. It just isn't what was advertised: a revolutionary new way of doing shooters. I didn't see that revolution in beta. Polished as hell, yes. Pretty as hell, yes. Gunplay? Sure is solid, but who didn't think it would be, coming from Bungie? I expected more risk brought on by stronger ambition. Shared world is great, but there aren't even great tools to facilitate sharing the world other than other players spawning in your instance. I was expecting Crysis and Bioshock levels of interactivity in gameplay with the power system; I feel like I got much less. Even the new Far Cry titles seem to bring more "abilities" and tactical options than does Destiny.
Oh my bad 2 months, not 2 weeks, why would I research a game I have no interest in playing?
Maybe because you will play it and enjoy it for what it is anyway?
Nah watched my son and his buddies playing it............pass.
I've watched consoles decay the depth, breadth and intricacy of computer games and their market...
I'll not participate in them doing the same to MMOs.
'Sandbox MMO' is a PTSD trigger word for anyone who has the experience to know that anonymous players invariably use a 'sandbox' in the same manner a housecat does.
When your head is stuck in the sand, your ass becomes the only recognizable part of you.
No game is more fun than the one you can't play, and no game is more boring than one which you've become familiar.
How to become a millionaire:
Start with a billion dollars and make an MMO.
Death is nothing to us, since when we are, Death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.
And how much time does it take to traverse the average vanilla WoW zone?
I rest my case.
You have no console, have not tried the game. Watching some stream videos doesn´t tell you anything, because you don´t know what he was doing! A lot of them also played the Beta extensivily.
I have watched several of those streams yesterday and day before, and most of them were rushing through the story missions, just so they could unlock the moon, do story missions there, etc. Ignoring large sections of the map. Many People don´t even know they can pick up bounties in The Tower and enter the maps in exploration mode! /facepalm
I actually play the game and I can tell you I spend over 4 hours yesterday in Old Russia alone and still haven´t seen the entire map. Then I played another 2 hours on the moon. And so far I have only done the first story mission there, then switched to exploration and did a Bounty.
http://www.bungie.net/en/Legend/2/4611686018433067284/2305843009215374706
That´s my character.
I haven´t even touched the first strike yet in Old Russia even. Only tried one PVP crucible map, which was intense by the way.
But whatever. I am done here. You guys are just angry it didn´t release on PC and have just an axe to grind. /shrug
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You can't depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus. - Mark Twain
The game looks really boring. I also hear it's incredibly short and has a terrible story. It appears to pretty much be Warframe with better graphics.
It really is a problem. Always has been tho. Especially with MMO´s.
There are a lot of People currently complaining on Bungie forums that they got bored after 4 hours. Some even burning 17 hours straight. o.0
An when you ask every single one of them if they have actually checked around in The Tower, picked up bounties there and enter the maps in Exploration mode, picking up scout missions, doing Public Events, harvesting materials for armor Upgrades, etc.
Every single one of them said NO! Most of them didn´t even know they could pick up bounties and that there is Exploration!
All they did is burning through the story missions. /shrug
I trully think that is the main problem now. Most of the People are treating it like another Halo, Battlefield, CoD game.
Halo, Battlefield and CoD only have a main campain and then you are left with PVP maps.
So People currently play Destiny the same way. Just burning through the story missions and get bored. Think that that is all there is.
It´s really dumb! As the story campain is just a tiny part of the game. I think it´s just a total of 20 or so missions. 12-16 hours or so. Just standard story campain fair in this genre.
Exploration mode is Destiny´s strongest part! It really opens up the game, with lots of stuff to do on each map!
Bounties, scout missions, harvesting materials for upgrades, exploring every nook and crany for rare mob spawns, loot chest, hunting that ilusive rare chest (golden chest), etc
Then I haven´t even mentioned the Strikes (Group Dungeons) and the Glass Vault RAID that doesn´t open until next week.
And this is just the PVE part of the game. If People want, they can just ignore most of the PVE and Level up through PVP and upgrade their gear at the crucible reputation vendors!
I have felt the exact same for many years! Man I played Unreal Tournament ´99 and Quake for years! Before that the Doom and Hexen games. After that Battlefield 1942 with Forgotten Hope mod for years, along UT 2004.
PC all the way! I completely ignored consoles at that time.
The XBOX360 was actually the first console I bought myself and I did it because a colleague suckered me in with Crackdown (Xbox exclusive)! Was the sole reason I bought the thing at the time. Game was amazing and so inredibly addictive. Especially in COOP mode lol.
Then I slowly played more on consoles time to time. Played Elder Scrolls games on it. Played Halo on it.
And now with the PS4 I am blown away. The DS4 Controller is amazing. Love it! I currently play both DCUO and FFXIV on it.
The Control schemes for FFXIV are incredibly intuitive! It´s just great to switch to PS4 from PC late in evening and relax on the couch and play on TV.
And now I am having a blast in Destiny! Bit rusty, but getting the hang of it. Haven´t played any FPS games for quite some time. Been stuck in RPG´s and MMO´s too much lately hehe.
I think that is also the difference right here and why I enjoy Destiny so much.
I play the game with the MMO / RPG mind set and so play every aspect Destiny currently has to offer. Mostly Exploration mode.
While most of the People currently play Destiny with the Halo/CoD/BF mindset, blow through story campain and ignore the rest.
I agree and i did mention that before beta, without ever even trying the game
I played the beta and had a blast since it was new to me and free, however after about a month of reflection and getting my own personally taste on this title on my xbox one, I am going to wait till it hit's the gamestop used game wall. Call me cheap, but I got a feeling I am going to see multiple copies of this game on the gamestop wall after Christmas and by then, it's just another game title.
So if your a diehard fan of Destiny and this is the title in which you bought your PS4 or Xbox one for, you'll definitely enjoy it, I just don't see much longevity on any console title developers make.
You know what, I've been playing this on the xbox 360, besides not being able to play alongside my Xbox One friends (this is really nasty) I'm having a blast.
It combines what I loved about Halo with a dabble into borderlands style character customisation. I also like the simplex itemisation. Borderlands was fun but the itemisation stats meant that I spent far too much time sorting my inventory and optimising gear. The storyline isn't overly inspiring so far and Peter Dinklage is about as emotive as a frozen potato.
So far so good. I also like that I can solo it for now while I make up my mind if I'm going to get deep enough into this to bother with a Xbox Live Gold pass.
-"Just wait to try the beta before saying it sucks."
-"That was only beta. Just wait to play the full game before saying it sucks."
-"The game has only been out a day. Get to max level before saying it sucks."
-"Game is still new. Just wait until some DLC is released before saying it sucks."