Sleeping in your house bed doesn't prevent you from being auto DCed. That's how I log out every night, get in bed and walk away. I get my labor back from sleeping for 10 minutes then it logs me out when I hit the timer just like normal. Can you link this CM post?
I agree, I'd like to see in what context they said this.
I still see large groups of people whacking away on Training Dummies in Acrum's Settlement. I still see people in the Courtroom, seated on the pews, - Away -. I still see people laying in beds (their own or other's), - Away -.
Are we ignoring this, is it officially a non-issue? I'd appreciate an official update, or link, if this has been accepted.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them. Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
So once again, context wins out.
@OP: what they said was that the game "should" cause a natural disconnection after a "set period of time". However, certain behaviors (as seen above) bypass this timer. Until they get it fixed, whenever they see someone using these in game mechanics to bypass their timer (which probably means it's a fair amount of time, then they will assume you are permanently afk and kick you.
And they are not "banning you" for using a bed. They are "banning you" for repeatedly using these beds for extended periods of time where you would have normally been kicked.
I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
The OP said "A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent the autokick for AFK feature."
Being in a bed does not prevent the autokick feature. To do what was said above would require a macro or bot program to go in and out of bed intermittently while afk which actually could be any action even just moving. That is different than what the OP claimed as you can plainly see. If you can't then I don't have the patience to try and explain it to you.
Sleeping in your house bed doesn't prevent you from being auto DCed. That's how I log out every night, get in bed and walk away. I get my labor back from sleeping for 10 minutes then it logs me out when I hit the timer just like normal. Can you link this CM post?
I agree, I'd like to see in what context they said this.
I still see large groups of people whacking away on Training Dummies in Acrum's Settlement. I still see people in the Courtroom, seated on the pews, - Away -. I still see people laying in beds (their own or other's), - Away -.
Are we ignoring this, is it officially a non-issue? I'd appreciate an official update, or link, if this has been accepted.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them. Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
So once again, context wins out.
@OP: what they said was that the game "should" cause a natural disconnection after a "set period of time". However, certain behaviors (as seen above) bypass this timer. Until they get it fixed, whenever they see someone using these in game mechanics to bypass their timer (which probably means it's a fair amount of time, then they will assume you are permanently afk and kick you.
And they are not "banning you" for using a bed. They are "banning you" for repeatedly using these beds for extended periods of time where you would have normally been kicked.
I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
Was just thinking the same thing, you're not getting banned for being in a bed you're getting banned for being in a bed !
Edit:
Gaming has sunk to a new low when being in a bed in a MMORPG is an exploit.
Sleeping in your house bed doesn't prevent you from being auto DCed. That's how I log out every night, get in bed and walk away. I get my labor back from sleeping for 10 minutes then it logs me out when I hit the timer just like normal. Can you link this CM post?
I agree, I'd like to see in what context they said this.
I still see large groups of people whacking away on Training Dummies in Acrum's Settlement. I still see people in the Courtroom, seated on the pews, - Away -. I still see people laying in beds (their own or other's), - Away -.
Are we ignoring this, is it officially a non-issue? I'd appreciate an official update, or link, if this has been accepted.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them. Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
So once again, context wins out.
@OP: what they said was that the game "should" cause a natural disconnection after a "set period of time". However, certain behaviors (as seen above) bypass this timer. Until they get it fixed, whenever they see someone using these in game mechanics to bypass their timer (which probably means it's a fair amount of time, then they will assume you are permanently afk and kick you.
And they are not "banning you" for using a bed. They are "banning you" for repeatedly using these beds for extended periods of time where you would have normally been kicked.
I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
Was just thinking the same thing, you're not getting banned for being in a bed you're getting banned for being in a bed !
Edit:
Gaming has sunk to a new low when being in a bed in a MMORPG is an exploit.
Exactly. Some internet lawyer will try and redefine words but your last line perfectly defines concept.
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I still see large groups of people whacking away on Training Dummies in Acrum's Settlement. I still see people in the Courtroom, seated on the pews, - Away -. I still see people laying in beds (their own or other's), - Away -.
Are we ignoring this, is it officially a non-issue? I'd appreciate an official update, or link, if this has been accepted.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them. Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
So once again, context wins out.
@OP: what they said was that the game "should" cause a natural disconnection after a "set period of time". However, certain behaviors (as seen above) bypass this timer. Until they get it fixed, whenever they see someone using these in game mechanics to bypass their timer (which probably means it's a fair amount of time, then they will assume you are permanently afk and kick you.
And they are not "banning you" for using a bed. They are "banning you" for repeatedly using these beds for extended periods of time where you would have normally been kicked.
I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
The OP said "A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent the autokick for AFK feature."
Being in a bed does not prevent the autokick feature. To do what was said above would require a macro or bot program to go in and out of bed intermittently while afk which actually could be any action even just moving. That is different than what the OP claimed as you can plainly see. If you can't then I don't have the patience to try and explain it to you.
I suggest you read it again. "Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted"
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Sleeping in your house bed doesn't prevent you from being auto DCed. That's how I log out every night, get in bed and walk away. I get my labor back from sleeping for 10 minutes then it logs me out when I hit the timer just like normal. Can you link this CM post?
I agree, I'd like to see in what context they said this.
I still see large groups of people whacking away on Training Dummies in Acrum's Settlement. I still see people in the Courtroom, seated on the pews, - Away -. I still see people laying in beds (their own or other's), - Away -.
Are we ignoring this, is it officially a non-issue? I'd appreciate an official update, or link, if this has been accepted.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them. Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
So once again, context wins out.
@OP: what they said was that the game "should" cause a natural disconnection after a "set period of time". However, certain behaviors (as seen above) bypass this timer. Until they get it fixed, whenever they see someone using these in game mechanics to bypass their timer (which probably means it's a fair amount of time, then they will assume you are permanently afk and kick you.
And they are not "banning you" for using a bed. They are "banning you" for repeatedly using these beds for extended periods of time where you would have normally been kicked.
I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
Was just thinking the same thing, you're not getting banned for being in a bed you're getting banned for being in a bed !
Edit:
Gaming has sunk to a new low when being in a bed in a MMORPG is an exploit.
Exactly. Some internet lawyer will try and redefine words but your last line perfectly defines concept.
Because it takes an internet lawyer to figure out that afking in a bed doesn't autokick you? Got it.
I still see large groups of people whacking away on Training Dummies in Acrum's Settlement. I still see people in the Courtroom, seated on the pews, - Away -. I still see people laying in beds (their own or other's), - Away -.
Are we ignoring this, is it officially a non-issue? I'd appreciate an official update, or link, if this has been accepted.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them. Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
So once again, context wins out.
@OP: what they said was that the game "should" cause a natural disconnection after a "set period of time". However, certain behaviors (as seen above) bypass this timer. Until they get it fixed, whenever they see someone using these in game mechanics to bypass their timer (which probably means it's a fair amount of time, then they will assume you are permanently afk and kick you.
And they are not "banning you" for using a bed. They are "banning you" for repeatedly using these beds for extended periods of time where you would have normally been kicked.
I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
The OP said "A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent the autokick for AFK feature."
Being in a bed does not prevent the autokick feature. To do what was said above would require a macro or bot program to go in and out of bed intermittently while afk which actually could be any action even just moving. That is different than what the OP claimed as you can plainly see. If you can't then I don't have the patience to try and explain it to you.
I suggest you read it again. "Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted"
Ok, I read it again. Now where does that change the fact that being in a bed doesn't prevent the auto-kick feature? You need to read the original CM message. The first part posted above was actually posted by a player not the CM. The CM does not directly address afking in a bed. He is talking in general about avoiding the afk kick mechanics.
Sleeping in your house bed doesn't prevent you from being auto DCed. That's how I log out every night, get in bed and walk away. I get my labor back from sleeping for 10 minutes then it logs me out when I hit the timer just like normal. Can you link this CM post?
I agree, I'd like to see in what context they said this.
I still see large groups of people whacking away on Training Dummies in Acrum's Settlement. I still see people in the Courtroom, seated on the pews, - Away -. I still see people laying in beds (their own or other's), - Away -.
Are we ignoring this, is it officially a non-issue? I'd appreciate an official update, or link, if this has been accepted.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them. Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
So once again, context wins out.
@OP: what they said was that the game "should" cause a natural disconnection after a "set period of time". However, certain behaviors (as seen above) bypass this timer. Until they get it fixed, whenever they see someone using these in game mechanics to bypass their timer (which probably means it's a fair amount of time, then they will assume you are permanently afk and kick you.
And they are not "banning you" for using a bed. They are "banning you" for repeatedly using these beds for extended periods of time where you would have normally been kicked.
How DARE you interrupt mob mentality with logic and reason.
Go to your room and think about what you've done.
yes sir.
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I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
The OP said "A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent the autokick for AFK feature."
Being in a bed does not prevent the autokick feature. To do what was said above would require a macro or bot program to go in and out of bed intermittently while afk which actually could be any action even just moving. That is different than what the OP claimed as you can plainly see. If you can't then I don't have the patience to try and explain it to you.
I suggest you read it again. "Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted"
Ok, I read it again. Now where does that change the fact that being in a bed doesn't prevent the auto-kick feature? You need to read the original CM message. The first part posted above was actually posted by a player not the CM. The CM does not directly address afking in a bed. He is talking in general about avoiding the afk kick mechanics.
The part of your post that I quoted in yellow is by SCAPES. And he specifically states "using in-game mechanics" meaning things in the game that allow you to keep from being kicked and that includes beds because you don't get kicked using them.
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I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
The OP said "A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent the autokick for AFK feature."
Being in a bed does not prevent the autokick feature. To do what was said above would require a macro or bot program to go in and out of bed intermittently while afk which actually could be any action even just moving. That is different than what the OP claimed as you can plainly see. If you can't then I don't have the patience to try and explain it to you.
I suggest you read it again. "Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted"
Ok, I read it again. Now where does that change the fact that being in a bed doesn't prevent the auto-kick feature? You need to read the original CM message. The first part posted above was actually posted by a player not the CM. The CM does not directly address afking in a bed. He is talking in general about avoiding the afk kick mechanics.
The part of your post that I quoted in yellow is by SCAPES. And he specifically states "using in-game mechanics" meaning things in the game that allow you to keep from being kicked and that includes beds because you don't get kicked using them.
OMG, I've got to assume you are intentionally being disingenuous. I play the game. It has faults. But I can assure you, as many others have in this thread, that being in a bed does not bypass the afk kick function.
Do you need me to stream my character getting afk kicked while in bed to make you understand this?
Gaming has sunk to a new low when being in a bed in a MMORPG is an exploit.
Exactly. Some internet lawyer will try and redefine words but your last line perfectly defines concept.
I think there is a subtlety of language that is escaping you.
Being in a bed is not an exploit. Being in a bed over an extended period of time, where you would have normally been kicked, and doing so repeatedly, can get you banned.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them.
See? You are supposed to be kicked after a set period of time. What is nebulous is "how long" of a period of time that is. Since "just standing around" for a long period of time will get you kicked, you could just run to the forums and post "OMG, TRION IS KICKING PEOPLE FOR JUST STANDING AROUND" which would only be a "half truth".
Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted ( that would be staying in a bed for a time that equals or is longer than their AFK kick) and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
If they find you doing this "repeatedly".
edit: and as Elerion indicates just using a bed doesn't bypass it but I suppose using the bed in conjunction with a program can.
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I'll just repost this here since many can't be bothered to read the entire thread and see that the OP was mistaken in some of his facts.
Actually...the OP was correct as the ending states.
The item was created this way. This is just more Trion being the amateurs they are. Not even communicating these radical changes with the players.
The OP said "A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent the autokick for AFK feature."
Being in a bed does not prevent the autokick feature. To do what was said above would require a macro or bot program to go in and out of bed intermittently while afk which actually could be any action even just moving. That is different than what the OP claimed as you can plainly see. If you can't then I don't have the patience to try and explain it to you.
I suggest you read it again. "Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted"
Ok, I read it again. Now where does that change the fact that being in a bed doesn't prevent the auto-kick feature? You need to read the original CM message. The first part posted above was actually posted by a player not the CM. The CM does not directly address afking in a bed. He is talking in general about avoiding the afk kick mechanics.
The part of your post that I quoted in yellow is by SCAPES. And he specifically states "using in-game mechanics" meaning things in the game that allow you to keep from being kicked and that includes beds because you don't get kicked using them.
OMG, I've got to assume you are intentionally being disingenuous. I play the game. It has faults. But I can assure you, as many others have in this thread, that being in a bed does not bypass the afk kick function.
Do you need me to stream my character getting afk kicked while in bed to make you understand this?
Damn, I think I must have built the wrong bed because mine doesn't prevent AFK autokicking. Maybe one of the AA forum experts who don't play the game can tell me which bed I should build to be on permanently?
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It's not JUST the bed. It's also sitting on a bench...
A bench specifically DESIGNED not to kick people who are AFK. Not for the jury. Just random people.
See. It would be really easy to fix. Just make the benches NOT BE SPECIAL. That would make a lot more sense than banning people for sitting on a bench that the designers specifically designed NOT TO KICK YOU FROM THE GAME.
The problem is that the game was designed TO MAKE PEOPLE STAY IN THE GAME. That's why things like the benches and beds exist. If the developer doesn't want people to sit on their benches or lay in their beds then simply remove them. I mean, they knew about this "problem" since their Alpha.
I'd much rather they focus on removing and banning the bots and farmers. I mean, the last jury I served on was me, and 4 guys named sgfgh, sdjhsdkjh, ehjgehr, fghfgh. That is not made up. The defendant was laughing. At the end he was happy because they all voted INNOCENT and he went free.
Everytime I login I get spammed over and over again for goldsellers.
Everytime I login I see botters that have pretty advanced scripts that teleport when wounded etc...
I haven't been able to buy any land because the same cheaters have programs that spam and buy land even from across the continent.
Maybe focus on those guys that are really exploiting or using 3rd party programs instead of sitting on a bench or laying in a bed as designed...
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It's not really supposed to be engaging... it's really just a tour of the features in game. By the time you have acquired your first scarecrow materials, been given your first trade run, mount, pet, rowboat and glider you will have completed the tutorial part of the quests. You will have learned how to farm, craft, use mounts, raise mounts, equip mounts, do trade runs, and learned where to go to acquire plans to build houses, ships and gliders. After that it's purely quests for XP and cheap gear. Hopefully as you quest you learn about your class abilities... as you encounter PVP, how to counter other classes. That's pretty much the point of questing. You can skip it entirely if you like. Most players could figure everything out on their own in time, or through wiki, but if you don't do the early quests, you won't get any of the items mentioned for free... you would have to purchase and or craft them.
30+ quests are designed to put you in harms way and get you into PVPing... which is what the game is really all about... PVP.
I made it to level 14...halfway to 15 but I wasn't really having much fun. I sort of get why people are comparing it to old school games (like EQ and EQ2) since a lot of the mechanics are similar, but so far I am not feeling the magic people have spoken about. I do find the story to be really dull (as I mentioned I am skipping all the dialogue because honestly I can't stand any of it). This is kind of weird for me because I find that I need some sort of engaging story to draw me into these games. Before it wasn't such an issue (when I first started playing MMOs back in the late 90s), but most of these MMOs follow basically the same formula that I need something to draw me in and compel me to play.
I'm by no means saying it's a bad game. In fact, it's much better than I previously anticipated. I'm just not really enjoying it much so far.
Edit: Sorry to go off-topic to the OP.
Not as off topic as you'd think. This current issue comes directly from the imposed labor system that is in place to control crafting. The same crafting that is mostly start a project and then fuck off for a few hours. AFKing in this game seems to be almost an intended feature. Combined with the lackluster hand holding questing and completely unintersting lore, not to mention the rock-paper-scissors pvp, this game seems to be going out of its way to make the player feel continually absent.
I haven't really gotten to thje crafting part yet, but will let you know when I do. I am not sure about the labor system yet as it has barely impacted by gameplay (again, just doing themepark quests still). I do want to see how I feel about it.
It's not really supposed to be engaging... it's really just a tour of the features in game. By the time you have acquired your first scarecrow materials, been given your first trade run, mount, pet, rowboat and glider you will have completed the tutorial part of the quests. You will have learned how to farm, craft, use mounts, raise mounts, equip mounts, do trade runs, and learned where to go to acquire plans to build houses, ships and gliders. After that it's purely quests for XP and cheap gear. Hopefully as you quest you learn about your class abilities... as you encounter PVP, how to counter other classes. That's pretty much the point of questing. You can skip it entirely if you like. Most players could figure everything out on their own in time, or through wiki, but if you don't do the early quests, you won't get any of the items mentioned for free... you would have to purchase and or craft them.
30+ quests are designed to put you in harms way and get you into PVPing... which is what the game is really all about... PVP.
I made it to level 14...halfway to 15 but I wasn't really having much fun. I sort of get why people are comparing it to old school games (like EQ and EQ2) since a lot of the mechanics are similar, but so far I am not feeling the magic people have spoken about. I do find the story to be really dull (as I mentioned I am skipping all the dialogue because honestly I can't stand any of it). This is kind of weird for me because I find that I need some sort of engaging story to draw me into these games. Before it wasn't such an issue (when I first started playing MMOs back in the late 90s), but most of these MMOs follow basically the same formula that I need something to draw me in and compel me to play.
I'm by no means saying it's a bad game. In fact, it's much better than I previously anticipated. I'm just not really enjoying it much so far.
Edit: Sorry to go off-topic to the OP.
Overall, I really like the game but............the PVE is below average imo. The story and quests are kind of cheesy and boring. The combat is alright but nothing exciting. The instances are fairly dull. What makes the game fun to me is the crafting, gardening, farming, making gold, etc and the PvP rivalries and stories developed between guilds and factions. If you want a very good PVE story game then I would suggest TESO. The combat, quests, and instances are better but there isn't really much to do besides fight and quest.
The good thing though is that you really don't have to quest much if you don't want to. I have one toon at 50 through mainly questing and another at 43 that hasn't done a quest since level 14. Leveled the second one through crafting.
Yep. Hoping when I get to the crafting, etc I can get into it more.
The reason for Trion doing this could be a few things, but it's wrongheaded for them to police this the way they are. There is a strong contingent of posters here who will jump on players doing anything non-combat at all. For the Combat inclusion fascist the activities they hate in order of least to worst: Gathering, Crafting, Housing, Non-Combat Classes, Role-players.
If you are doing any of these things you have been targeted by the action gamers and their allies, developers.
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Gaming has sunk to a new low when being in a bed in a MMORPG is an exploit.
Exactly. Some internet lawyer will try and redefine words but your last line perfectly defines concept.
I think there is a subtlety of language that is escaping you.
Being in a bed is not an exploit. Being in a bed over an extended period of time, where you would have normally been kicked, and doing so repeatedly, can get you banned.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them.
See? You are supposed to be kicked after a set period of time. What is nebulous is "how long" of a period of time that is. Since "just standing around" for a long period of time will get you kicked, you could just run to the forums and post "OMG, TRION IS KICKING PEOPLE FOR JUST STANDING AROUND" which would only be a "half truth".
Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted ( that would be staying in a bed for a time that equals or is longer than their AFK kick) and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
If they find you doing this "repeatedly".
edit: and as Elerion indicates just using a bed doesn't bypass it but I suppose using the bed in conjunction with a program can.
I don't know that the subtle distinction is being missed so much as being ignored.
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The OP said "A recent post the CM threatened bans on anyone found to be sitting on benches in court or sleeping in a bed. Apparently these mechanisms (which are built into the game) prevent the autokick for AFK feature."
Being in a bed does not prevent the autokick feature. To do what was said above would require a macro or bot program to go in and out of bed intermittently while afk which actually could be any action even just moving. That is different than what the OP claimed as you can plainly see. If you can't then I don't have the patience to try and explain it to you.
Was just thinking the same thing, you're not getting banned for being in a bed you're getting banned for being in a bed !
Edit:
Gaming has sunk to a new low when being in a bed in a MMORPG is an exploit.
Exactly. Some internet lawyer will try and redefine words but your last line perfectly defines concept.
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I suggest you read it again. "Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted"
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Because it takes an internet lawyer to figure out that afking in a bed doesn't autokick you? Got it.
Ok, I read it again. Now where does that change the fact that being in a bed doesn't prevent the auto-kick feature? You need to read the original CM message. The first part posted above was actually posted by a player not the CM. The CM does not directly address afking in a bed. He is talking in general about avoiding the afk kick mechanics.
yes sir.
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The part of your post that I quoted in yellow is by SCAPES. And he specifically states "using in-game mechanics" meaning things in the game that allow you to keep from being kicked and that includes beds because you don't get kicked using them.
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OMG, I've got to assume you are intentionally being disingenuous. I play the game. It has faults. But I can assure you, as many others have in this thread, that being in a bed does not bypass the afk kick function.
Do you need me to stream my character getting afk kicked while in bed to make you understand this?
I think there is a subtlety of language that is escaping you.
Being in a bed is not an exploit. Being in a bed over an extended period of time, where you would have normally been kicked, and doing so repeatedly, can get you banned.
Idling in the game should cause a disconnection from the server after a set period of time. XLGAMES is updating the AFK kick to detect evasion behaviors and disconnect those using them.
See? You are supposed to be kicked after a set period of time. What is nebulous is "how long" of a period of time that is. Since "just standing around" for a long period of time will get you kicked, you could just run to the forums and post "OMG, TRION IS KICKING PEOPLE FOR JUST STANDING AROUND" which would only be a "half truth".
Until then, using in-game mechanics to avoid the AFK kick is not permitted ( that would be staying in a bed for a time that equals or is longer than their AFK kick) and could result in a permanent ban if the exploit is used repeatedly.
If they find you doing this "repeatedly".
edit: and as Elerion indicates just using a bed doesn't bypass it but I suppose using the bed in conjunction with a program can.
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Damn, I think I must have built the wrong bed because mine doesn't prevent AFK autokicking. Maybe one of the AA forum experts who don't play the game can tell me which bed I should build to be on permanently?
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It's not JUST the bed. It's also sitting on a bench...
A bench specifically DESIGNED not to kick people who are AFK. Not for the jury. Just random people.
See. It would be really easy to fix. Just make the benches NOT BE SPECIAL. That would make a lot more sense than banning people for sitting on a bench that the designers specifically designed NOT TO KICK YOU FROM THE GAME.
The problem is that the game was designed TO MAKE PEOPLE STAY IN THE GAME. That's why things like the benches and beds exist. If the developer doesn't want people to sit on their benches or lay in their beds then simply remove them. I mean, they knew about this "problem" since their Alpha.
I'd much rather they focus on removing and banning the bots and farmers. I mean, the last jury I served on was me, and 4 guys named sgfgh, sdjhsdkjh, ehjgehr, fghfgh. That is not made up. The defendant was laughing. At the end he was happy because they all voted INNOCENT and he went free.
Everytime I login I get spammed over and over again for goldsellers.
Everytime I login I see botters that have pretty advanced scripts that teleport when wounded etc...
I haven't been able to buy any land because the same cheaters have programs that spam and buy land even from across the continent.
Maybe focus on those guys that are really exploiting or using 3rd party programs instead of sitting on a bench or laying in a bed as designed...
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Is there a difference ? ....what the hell now we have good cheating and bad cheating ?
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I haven't really gotten to thje crafting part yet, but will let you know when I do. I am not sure about the labor system yet as it has barely impacted by gameplay (again, just doing themepark quests still). I do want to see how I feel about it.
Yep. Hoping when I get to the crafting, etc I can get into it more.
No. We have cheating and we have sitting on a bench or laying in a bed EXACTLY AS IT WAS DESIGNED FOR. as I said above.
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The reason for Trion doing this could be a few things, but it's wrongheaded for them to police this the way they are. There is a strong contingent of posters here who will jump on players doing anything non-combat at all. For the Combat inclusion fascist the activities they hate in order of least to worst: Gathering, Crafting, Housing, Non-Combat Classes, Role-players.
If you are doing any of these things you have been targeted by the action gamers and their allies, developers.
I don't know that the subtle distinction is being missed so much as being ignored.
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So bloking peeps with a farmcart so they cant move in, is okey its using ingame mechanics its allowed.
Blocking someones farmland with a farmcart so he cant plant anything, is okey its using ingame mechanics.
But sitting on a bench or sleeping in bed is not ingame mechanics but cheating and bannable ?
I knew after 2 weeks that Trion was full of shit and i quit :P (to bad it costed me 49,- again like CrapStar)
Whats next we are not allowed to log in since then you regen LP, anyone cought logging in gets banned.
(oh no wait that already happened) Rotfl :P
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Rotfl they got somthing alive on their forums now i see Whahaah :P
Was only warning peeps not to pay with paypall since (again) some guy got "hacked" and bought 10 founderspacks with his account :P
Since Trion automaticly makes it into an reacuring payment.
Omg omg i am banned i am banned. hmz should i make a toppic about to ? :P