Not entirely sure what you're expecting, this happens every expansion for their populated servers. When you have mass amount of players flooding back on top of the new and consistent players on the server, there is going to be trouble. There is no design that can compensate or even know where people will play.
Add in the DDoS opportunists then the problem compounds and Blizzard has done better than most companies in handling the issue.
As for the communication, what do you want? updates on the hour every hour? They've made official posts statements, there isn't much left to be said. There is nothing else they can tell the angry mob that will appease them.
You can play the game, go to one of the countless open servers.
I've been in a queue for 3 hours on a "medium" server. It's also an Oceanic server which is not being DDOS attacked.
There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
Go to 26:20 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyPzTywUBsQ and take a look at their data center, then bear in mind that the center is only 1 of 17 that they have worldwide.
There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
Some folks around here do crack me up.. It's like they'll try anything to make sure there's no legit excuse...How does anyone here know one way or the other? On top of that how do I know or anyone else, you aren't talking out of your backside? Simply to perpetuate the mudslinging?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
For all Blizzards twaddle about only launching games when they are ready, no matter how long it takes, every single launch this company does is a train wreck. The initial WoW launch was epic in its pure badness, but they had the excuse that it was new.
They now have 10 years of experience, sub numbers, numbers on how many people bought the xpac and they still act like they got jumped in a back alley. More maint tomorrow and, most likely, it will be extended. but hey, they appriciate our patience.
Originally posted by myxaplix This is why I am waiting tell January to try out WOW again. Want the dust to settle.
Exatly what I'm planning on doing. I wanted to hear feedback first on the expansion before jumping in. So far so good, lag/queues/dc's aside. looking forward to playing WOD come Jan.
I'm always a little boggled when I see any veteran poster complaining about typical launch problems, IE queues, lag, DC, etc..etc..etc.. I can't remember the last game I purchased day one (the last non F2P I played at launch was TOR and it was a gift), it's simply asking for disappointment. The more popular the offering the worse it's going to be.
Attacks.. no attacks.. it doesn't matter, there are bound to be problems, when systems get bogged down, they do odd things, or flat-out buckle. All the IT experts in the world have been hard pressed to do much to change it. Some companies have managed to sustain a decent experience, none have sustained a great experience at launch. I still say those examples are rare, they're in no way normal, and most were left with a bunch of empty realms a few months later. What's worse really? Does WOW really need a bunch of new servers? I'd much rather deal with a week or two of issues, than have to be uprooted and all that comes with a merge.
Any vet should know the weeks surrounding launch are going to be ripe with issues and are best to be missed.. They can have a nasty habit of spoiling the entire experience, how hard is it to wait a couple weeks?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I mail ordered my exp pack. I won't get it till Tuesday, with that said I am not happy with the wait times to log into my main server or the alt servers I play on. This is the 4th? exp pack and the game is 10 years old? I would have expected better from Blizzard
Me too. I'm only on here cause I took a break to poo. There was a queue when I logged in tonight. Was about 30 itchymins. I just played on my tab s until I got in. This shit happens with just about every game on la inch and people still bitch away. It's a launch with millions of players. This isn't wildstar with its 50-60 players on peak lol. Things aren't gonna go perfectly.
I bought a pair of under armor shoes the other day. Paid good money for them too. They arrived defective with jacked up stiching. HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN from a multi-million dollar shoe company! It's sposta be perfect! Shit happens folks. Wear a helmet.
There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
Some folks around here do crack me up.. It's like they'll try anything to make sure there's no legit excuse...How does anyone here know one way or the other? On top of that how do I know or anyone else, you aren't talking out of your backside? Simply to perpetuate the mudslinging?
Easy! Global traffic reports and router protocols tell you that there was no attack. You can find all that info on the web as it is all logged and recorded for analyzing and creating protocols to prevent attacks.
It proves that those other new AAA games are not holding up as will as everyone thought. Even Archage2014 is complaing about queues. I just find that really funny. No disrespect to him at all. It just seems like every mmo player is trying to get into the game now.
Our Europe maintenance has been underway for an hour, with progress being made to upgrade that region’s hardware. In North America, we’re continuing to test the phasing tech that may allow us to expand capacity by a significant amount on busy realms.
We continue to deploy hotfixes to address a number of issues. You can take a look at many of these hotfixes in this blog post, but please note that we will not be posting updates to the blog overnight.
We appreciate your continued patience. If you're a Twitter user, you can follow@BlizzardCS and @Warcraft for updates. We will continue to provide regular updates here throughout the night.
I agree this launch is beyond unacceptable. There is no excuse a billion dollar corporation with 10 years almost on this game alone , the resources and beta tester to stress test in the millions. ( it is not a server pop issue). Low pops are locked and down as well. I don't believe this is DDos either it's a continuing trend of their lazyness.
There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
Some folks around here do crack me up.. It's like they'll try anything to make sure there's no legit excuse...How does anyone here know one way or the other? On top of that how do I know or anyone else, you aren't talking out of your backside? Simply to perpetuate the mudslinging?
Easy! Global traffic reports and router protocols tell you that there was no attack. You can find all that info on the web as it is all logged and recorded for analyzing and creating protocols to prevent attacks.
Over all the 14th was one of the lowest days in terms of traffic since June 2014.
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You believe whatever you want to believe. I prefer checking the facts.
You're showing global charts to explain away a single solitary attack? Let me ask you this, if we want to talk facts, would it take a "major" attack to disrupt or cause havoc to a service that is already bogged down by unusual login rates?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
When in game it plays smooth as butter... seems like the OP never really played at release...
However the QUeues are getting out of hand, the DDOS attacks are also getting worse instead of improving things, and since the game is that good more and more people keep returning, making the problems even worse, in the end it will all be okay
I am glad i transfered my characters to a lower pop server before release..
Sadly the whole game is down right now in EU, with blizzards websites unreachable, so no clue why
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
Some folks around here do crack me up.. It's like they'll try anything to make sure there's no legit excuse...How does anyone here know one way or the other? On top of that how do I know or anyone else, you aren't talking out of your backside? Simply to perpetuate the mudslinging?
Easy! Global traffic reports and router protocols tell you that there was no attack. You can find all that info on the web as it is all logged and recorded for analyzing and creating protocols to prevent attacks.
Over all the 14th was one of the lowest days in terms of traffic since June 2014.
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You believe whatever you want to believe. I prefer checking the facts.
You're showing global charts to explain away a single solitary attack? Let me ask you this, if we want to talk facts, would it take a "major" attack to disrupt or cause havoc to a service that is already bogged down by unusual login rates?
Didn't count for other games ......sure as hell better not count for WOW .....suck it up and enjoy it boyz this is as good as it gets
Originally posted by Vutar I don't think there is any "may be" about it. This is the worst launch for Blizzard. It's as if they did not test anything.
As a tester for this expansion can say I submitted almost 2 k bugs, well closer to 1900 to be fair.
Problem is very few game devs even look at tester bug reports these days, if they do not find the bug with the in-house testers then it won't get on the fix list.
When studios decided to make test phases about nothing but hyping the game they kind of shot themselves in the leg.
Most testers are worthless, but a few still take it very serious and complete quality bug reports if the game devs would actually read them.
There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
Some folks around here do crack me up.. It's like they'll try anything to make sure there's no legit excuse...How does anyone here know one way or the other? On top of that how do I know or anyone else, you aren't talking out of your backside? Simply to perpetuate the mudslinging?
Easy! Global traffic reports and router protocols tell you that there was no attack. You can find all that info on the web as it is all logged and recorded for analyzing and creating protocols to prevent attacks.
Over all the 14th was one of the lowest days in terms of traffic since June 2014.
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You believe whatever you want to believe. I prefer checking the facts.
You're showing global charts to explain away a single solitary attack? Let me ask you this, if we want to talk facts, would it take a "major" attack to disrupt or cause havoc to a service that is already bogged down by unusual login rates?
Didn't count for other games ......sure as hell better not count for WOW .....suck it up and enjoy it boyz this is as good as it gets
What is the scary thing in my book is how stupid game developers really are. Talk to them at cons and conventions, ask them some technical or coder questions about their jobs, and they are quickly looking at you with glazed over eyes saying. " We do it because it's pretty. "
Most of them are simply tech school grads that have zero idea how to actually code anything, all they know how to do is use toolsets they are provided.
So when conflicts and bugs do arise, who the hell runs the code and writes the fix?
On top of this studio management tends to think all gamers are stupid as well, which considering how much money we throw away on craptastic games and expansions maybe we are.
Sadly considering us stupid they tend to think it ok to toss us one lie after another thinking we are too stupid or lazy to ever check the facts.
You know, one of the most striking revelations that I experienced from my recent foray into single player games was that when you buy a highly anticipated single player game, you can actually go home and play it day one. You aren't having to sit in login queues and you really don't even have to sort through massive amounts of bugs and performance problems (unless you're playing Assassin's Creed Unity).
World of Warcraft is one of the most popular games on the planet. This isn't like an expansion for EverQuest II where 3,000 more players might populate the servers for a couple months. Millions have purchased Warlords of Draenor as millions do any time WoW releases an expansion.
If anything, Blizzard's handling of the Diablo 3 launch disaster should show all of us that they're not interested in the consumer as much as they're interested in the dollars they can suck from us. They know there's no point in guarding against a DDoS attack (as those have occurred across several MMOs recently) or upgrading server infrastructure because in about a week or so, when the hype dies down, anger will subside and we'll continue to fork over our money to grind away like hamsters on a treadmill.
well since you mention EQ2, this whole thread just make me miss the good old days of expansion releases - EQ2 always had massive issues on release day, so would be on teamspeak all evening, with a slim to no chance getting in. So sitting here wonder if people just havent had enough expansion experience :P atleast EQ2 only once used the DDoS exuce, not to claim either companies lie about it, just SOE never said this is the reason.
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There are no DDoS attacks. That is just a convenient excuse. The problem is cheap infrastructure and reduction of servers/bandwidth to save money.
A DDoS attack can be fixed within an a couple minutes to an hour by changing the network segment of your servers are in and updating the client to connect to the new IP. It's a minimum patch and probably can be done live through the Loaders config file like Battlenet in this case.
This is standard procedure in the IT industry and the protocols to do something like this are standard for every Network admin.
Go to 26:20 on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyPzTywUBsQ and take a look at their data center, then bear in mind that the center is only 1 of 17 that they have worldwide.
Some folks around here do crack me up.. It's like they'll try anything to make sure there's no legit excuse...How does anyone here know one way or the other? On top of that how do I know or anyone else, you aren't talking out of your backside? Simply to perpetuate the mudslinging?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
diablo 3 was like this, when wow first launched it was like this for a long time.
emerald dream 5632, not gonna get in again tonight, oh well.
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
For all Blizzards twaddle about only launching games when they are ready, no matter how long it takes, every single launch this company does is a train wreck. The initial WoW launch was epic in its pure badness, but they had the excuse that it was new.
They now have 10 years of experience, sub numbers, numbers on how many people bought the xpac and they still act like they got jumped in a back alley. More maint tomorrow and, most likely, it will be extended. but hey, they appriciate our patience.
I'm always a little boggled when I see any veteran poster complaining about typical launch problems, IE queues, lag, DC, etc..etc..etc.. I can't remember the last game I purchased day one (the last non F2P I played at launch was TOR and it was a gift), it's simply asking for disappointment. The more popular the offering the worse it's going to be.
Attacks.. no attacks.. it doesn't matter, there are bound to be problems, when systems get bogged down, they do odd things, or flat-out buckle. All the IT experts in the world have been hard pressed to do much to change it. Some companies have managed to sustain a decent experience, none have sustained a great experience at launch. I still say those examples are rare, they're in no way normal, and most were left with a bunch of empty realms a few months later. What's worse really? Does WOW really need a bunch of new servers? I'd much rather deal with a week or two of issues, than have to be uprooted and all that comes with a merge.
Any vet should know the weeks surrounding launch are going to be ripe with issues and are best to be missed.. They can have a nasty habit of spoiling the entire experience, how hard is it to wait a couple weeks?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Me too. I'm only on here cause I took a break to poo. There was a queue when I logged in tonight. Was about 30 itchymins. I just played on my tab s until I got in. This shit happens with just about every game on la inch and people still bitch away. It's a launch with millions of players. This isn't wildstar with its 50-60 players on peak lol. Things aren't gonna go perfectly.
I bought a pair of under armor shoes the other day. Paid good money for them too. They arrived defective with jacked up stiching. HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN from a multi-million dollar shoe company! It's sposta be perfect! Shit happens folks. Wear a helmet.
Easy! Global traffic reports and router protocols tell you that there was no attack. You can find all that info on the web as it is all logged and recorded for analyzing and creating protocols to prevent attacks.
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Here is what an attack looks like or this
On release day there was no attack someone actually attacked Hong Kong FROM the US but that is besides the point here.
Over all the 14th was one of the lowest days in terms of traffic since June 2014.
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You believe whatever you want to believe. I prefer checking the facts.
Playing eso tonight, read this though for my wife, though you guys might need it. Blue post
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Our Europe maintenance has been underway for an hour, with progress being made to upgrade that region’s hardware. In North America, we’re continuing to test the phasing tech that may allow us to expand capacity by a significant amount on busy realms.
We continue to deploy hotfixes to address a number of issues. You can take a look at many of these hotfixes in this blog post, but please note that we will not be posting updates to the blog overnight.
We appreciate your continued patience. If you're a Twitter user, you can follow@BlizzardCS and @Warcraft for updates. We will continue to provide regular updates here throughout the night.
Farstryder,
You're showing global charts to explain away a single solitary attack? Let me ask you this, if we want to talk facts, would it take a "major" attack to disrupt or cause havoc to a service that is already bogged down by unusual login rates?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
When in game it plays smooth as butter... seems like the OP never really played at release...
However the QUeues are getting out of hand, the DDOS attacks are also getting worse instead of improving things, and since the game is that good more and more people keep returning, making the problems even worse, in the end it will all be okay
I am glad i transfered my characters to a lower pop server before release..
Sadly the whole game is down right now in EU, with blizzards websites unreachable, so no clue why
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Didn't count for other games ......sure as hell better not count for WOW .....suck it up and enjoy it boyz this is as good as it gets
Not all who wander are lost...
Queues are bad. The dc's and excessive maintenance to fix the problems are frustrating, particularly for those of us that took off work to play.
I still don't give a shit----This is probably their best expansion to date. I LOVE what I've been able to play so far.
Game is awesome again.
As a tester for this expansion can say I submitted almost 2 k bugs, well closer to 1900 to be fair.
Problem is very few game devs even look at tester bug reports these days, if they do not find the bug with the in-house testers then it won't get on the fix list.
When studios decided to make test phases about nothing but hyping the game they kind of shot themselves in the leg.
Most testers are worthless, but a few still take it very serious and complete quality bug reports if the game devs would actually read them.
What is the scary thing in my book is how stupid game developers really are. Talk to them at cons and conventions, ask them some technical or coder questions about their jobs, and they are quickly looking at you with glazed over eyes saying. " We do it because it's pretty. "
Most of them are simply tech school grads that have zero idea how to actually code anything, all they know how to do is use toolsets they are provided.
So when conflicts and bugs do arise, who the hell runs the code and writes the fix?
On top of this studio management tends to think all gamers are stupid as well, which considering how much money we throw away on craptastic games and expansions maybe we are.
Sadly considering us stupid they tend to think it ok to toss us one lie after another thinking we are too stupid or lazy to ever check the facts.
well since you mention EQ2, this whole thread just make me miss the good old days of expansion releases - EQ2 always had massive issues on release day, so would be on teamspeak all evening, with a slim to no chance getting in. So sitting here wonder if people just havent had enough expansion experience :P atleast EQ2 only once used the DDoS exuce, not to claim either companies lie about it, just SOE never said this is the reason.