A roleplayer ( in a gaming setting ) is someone that takes on the role of someone or someone else in all his actions and when communicating with the world around him.
personally i allways do this when using /emote /shout and /say, i.e. When directly communicating with the world around me... It makes these games so much more immersive for me.... In general i dont roleplay in the /group /guild /zone channels, as they are reserved to discuss gaming issues...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Originally posted by Bladestrom That would be a role playing moral decision to be a thief there distopia concrete example, I don't steal items that belong to people in ESO as I role play the good wizard and don't feel that fits in with my role.
I know, just being silly, I'm the guy you see walking in these games, blending in with the rest of scenery. I actually miss Morrowinds stamina drain when running, it made you slow down otherwise you had no stamina for a fight. I understand perfectly well what you're saying, that's exactly how I approach most RPG's.
ESO has the same stamina drain when sprinting.. As in morrowwind, emmersionwise i can live with that, as i can run for hours in real life withouth stop, as long as i keep a modest pace..
When ESO goes 1.6 it might actually become a roleplayers dream, as you can finally differtiate between good and evil..... So far its allready an immersive game..
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
however i prefer pen and paper roleplaying games, this is like comparing movies to books, with PnP its much more up to your immagination, where LARP is much more visuall like a movie....
Our PnP roleplay games are much more about our characters then about the numbers and the stats...they are all about roleplaying, and you dont need any props for that, just your immagination so you can immerse in your character and its place in the world.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Personally I was never much interested in roleplaying, because frankly its acting out extremely stereotype characters which is only highly annoying to me.
Personally I was never much interested in roleplaying, because frankly its acting out extremely stereotype characters which is only highly annoying to me.
Plus, it is highly restrictive. If i want to, i don't see a reason not to talk about the current movie, or the computer I am playing the video games on.
Pretending all the time is just not as fun, to me, as just be myself and play a game.
Originally posted by Jemcrystal What makes some one a role player?
I have found that every player seems to have their own definition, which is fine for they are the ones "role playing"
Generally speaking, it can be as literal as "playing a role", from Mario in Donkey Kong to the spy in Impossible Mission to the "box loader" trying fit boxes together in Tetris.
It can also be as complicated as the player desires, from a big, dumb brute to a highly intelligent scholar to a Don Juan type of romantic role or even playing a character so unlike the player's real life personality.
Most of the time, I think players think "the best" is a role that they play. Number crunching can also be "role Playing."
Good luck getting a definitive answer
[EDIT] I think Gorwe and mastercotcot have the right idea, for me
Al if that is true then the term Role-Player simply doesn't mean anything. With all respect, I just think that is a bit of a cop out. It's cool to be adaptive to people's preferences, but at some point to me it just becomes fad speak. No to me Role-Playing has a definition and Tetris doesn't have any role-playing in it.
Number crunching is number crunching, it's not role-playing.
While I agree 100% with what you say, I try not to step on toes when possible (believe it or not )
Lots of communication today is much harder because people want to change words to fit their own personal meanings. However, in the most literal sense, "Role Playing" means exactly that: Playing a role. What is never defined is what "role" means, exactly. It can be almost anything, especially in video games where a player usually takes on the aspect of a digital avatar. I just do not feel comfy trying to tell others what exactly "role" means.
Like you, "role playing" is well defined for me. What many players (mainly min/maxers) see as role playing (the broadest, most encompassing aspect), I think as cringe-worthy.
I guess it boils down to a "feeling" for me, which is not easily defined. Playing the box loader in Tetris does not "feel" like role playing to me, but it certainly fits the most literal definition
I guess the true test is the balance between "game play" and "role play." While both are fun for me, I'd rather role play then game play. And they are quite mutually exclusive. To add game play, one must take away role play and vice versa. You can definitely have both in games and a good mix is best, in my opinion, but they rarely "fit well" together
In my opinion: - Fast travel is a "game play" feature. - LFR/LFD tools are "game play" tools. - Action combat is a "game play" feature. - Emotes are a "role play" feature. - RNG is a "role play" mechanic. - 3rd person view is a "role play" feature. (It separates *me* from my avatar.)
hehehe What if we misspelled it as "roll?" (Now we can look at dice games!)
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
I guess the true test is the balance between "game play" and "role play." While both are fun for me, I'd rather role play then game play. And they are quite mutually exclusive. To add game play, one must take away role play and vice versa. You can definitely have both in games and a good mix is best, in my opinion, but they rarely "fit well" together
Yeh .. and from my observations (for example, few actually rp in games), the audience of RP is very small compared people who just want to play games.
It is not an accident that a RPG video game is essentially a combat game with progression. It is really about gaining of powers, and apply them in fun combat, and not so much about playing the underlying characters, for most.
Originally posted by Adamantine If you play a role. Duh.Personally I was never much interested in roleplaying, because frankly its acting out extremely stereotype characters which is only highly annoying to me.
You mean like Warriors with the best weapons/armor in the games or Mages with the most powerful spells? Talk about annoying.
Having other players "inspect" me in WoW and tell me "You're playing that character WRONG!" is THE most annoying thing that ever happened to me in an MMORPG.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
well, today's MMO "Roleplaying" Game has no audience ... if they define roleplayers as you do.
The audience is gamers, not roleplayers. The words "RPG" are just incidental. It is not important to the business at all.
You're missing the point entirely. MMORPGs are meant to be widely acceptable, so yes they include elements that try and cover large demographics, but the question presented here, isn't really about MMO's or monetary gains (whos the bigger audience) it's about an act...to roleplay, which has a definitive meaning, you're taking on a different persona and are playing it out. Many MMO's have roleplaying communities, some have supported servers for it, they are the servers I always pick because they usually have less nonsense going on in my experience.
uh? You didn't say anything contradicting what i said? It is fair game to point out that the question posted here is unimportant if there are so few roleplayers out there anyway.
You may like it ... but it is not very relevant to devs.
WHy would I try and contradict a point that has nothing at all to do with this thread? That's the part you don't seem to get, what does anything you're saying have to do with the topic here? Roleplay is a community aspect, it has nothing at all to do with game devs, wider audiences, etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
WHy would I try and contradict a point that has nothing at all to do with this thread? That's the part you don't seem to get, what does anything you're saying have to do with the topic here? Roleplay is a community aspect, it has nothing at all to do with game devs, wider audiences, etc...
Not if you want video games to support RP.
We are talking about RPing in video games .. in fact, you said "community aspect". So it is fair game to discuss if it is likely to get a RP community in video games.
WHy would I try and contradict a point that has nothing at all to do with this thread? That's the part you don't seem to get, what does anything you're saying have to do with the topic here? Roleplay is a community aspect, it has nothing at all to do with game devs, wider audiences, etc...
Not if you want video games to support RP.
We are talking about RPing in video games .. in fact, you said "community aspect". So it is fair game to discuss if it is likely to get a RP community in video games.
Most MMORPGs have a roleplay community... the size of that community differs per game, which doesn't take away that they exist. You can talk about your point all you want, it won't change what I just said, it just sounds like blah, blah, blah at this point...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Someone who does not play just for a high score or a gear score. If you are invested in your character as its own being, do that by how you chat in game or the path you pick that fits your char, then you are role playing. If your character is just an avatar you are dressing to be the best and thats the only reason, more then liely you are not role playing. Unless you are role playing you want to be Brain from Pinky and the Brain. NARF!!!!!
Oh I hope so re 1.6 distopia too I'm not even sure if it's on the cards, but wandering the world as a good Mage seeking out troubled towns plagued by thieves and bringing them to justice Clint Eastwood/pale ride style - potential awesomeness!
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Originally posted by Bladestrom Oh I hope so re 1.6 distopia too I'm not even sure if it's on the cards, but wandering the world as a good Mage seeking out troubled towns plagued by thieves and bringing them to justice Clint Eastwood/pale ride style - potential awesomeness!
Agreed, As LordB said, 1.6 and the greater justice path to follow (guilds etc..) sounds like an RPers dream to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
WHy would I try and contradict a point that has nothing at all to do with this thread? That's the part you don't seem to get, what does anything you're saying have to do with the topic here? Roleplay is a community aspect, it has nothing at all to do with game devs, wider audiences, etc...
Not if you want video games to support RP.
We are talking about RPing in video games .. in fact, you said "community aspect". So it is fair game to discuss if it is likely to get a RP community in video games.
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
WHy would I try and contradict a point that has nothing at all to do with this thread? That's the part you don't seem to get, what does anything you're saying have to do with the topic here? Roleplay is a community aspect, it has nothing at all to do with game devs, wider audiences, etc...
Not if you want video games to support RP.
We are talking about RPing in video games .. in fact, you said "community aspect". So it is fair game to discuss if it is likely to get a RP community in video games.
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Lol acting aside, clearly everyone does not role play in a MMO, many players have 0 emotional engagement or empathisr or pretend with their char and only see their character as a thing they control in game to win at x,
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
I never really looked at "seeking attention" by being an annoyance as RPing .
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
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A roleplayer ( in a gaming setting ) is someone that takes on the role of someone or someone else in all his actions and when communicating with the world around him.
personally i allways do this when using /emote /shout and /say, i.e. When directly communicating with the world around me... It makes these games so much more immersive for me.... In general i dont roleplay in the /group /guild /zone channels, as they are reserved to discuss gaming issues...
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
ESO has the same stamina drain when sprinting.. As in morrowwind, emmersionwise i can live with that, as i can run for hours in real life withouth stop, as long as i keep a modest pace..
When ESO goes 1.6 it might actually become a roleplayers dream, as you can finally differtiate between good and evil..... So far its allready an immersive game..
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Larp, from time to time its a fun experience...
however i prefer pen and paper roleplaying games, this is like comparing movies to books, with PnP its much more up to your immagination, where LARP is much more visuall like a movie....
Our PnP roleplay games are much more about our characters then about the numbers and the stats...they are all about roleplaying, and you dont need any props for that, just your immagination so you can immerse in your character and its place in the world.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
If you play a role. Duh.
Personally I was never much interested in roleplaying, because frankly its acting out extremely stereotype characters which is only highly annoying to me.
Plus, it is highly restrictive. If i want to, i don't see a reason not to talk about the current movie, or the computer I am playing the video games on.
Pretending all the time is just not as fun, to me, as just be myself and play a game.
Lots of communication today is much harder because people want to change words to fit their own personal meanings. However, in the most literal sense, "Role Playing" means exactly that: Playing a role. What is never defined is what "role" means, exactly. It can be almost anything, especially in video games where a player usually takes on the aspect of a digital avatar. I just do not feel comfy trying to tell others what exactly "role" means.
Like you, "role playing" is well defined for me. What many players (mainly min/maxers) see as role playing (the broadest, most encompassing aspect), I think as cringe-worthy.
I guess it boils down to a "feeling" for me, which is not easily defined. Playing the box loader in Tetris does not "feel" like role playing to me, but it certainly fits the most literal definition
I guess the true test is the balance between "game play" and "role play." While both are fun for me, I'd rather role play then game play. And they are quite mutually exclusive. To add game play, one must take away role play and vice versa. You can definitely have both in games and a good mix is best, in my opinion, but they rarely "fit well" together
In my opinion:
- Fast travel is a "game play" feature.
- LFR/LFD tools are "game play" tools.
- Action combat is a "game play" feature.
- Emotes are a "role play" feature.
- RNG is a "role play" mechanic.
- 3rd person view is a "role play" feature. (It separates *me* from my avatar.)
hehehe What if we misspelled it as "roll?" (Now we can look at dice games!)
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Yeh .. and from my observations (for example, few actually rp in games), the audience of RP is very small compared people who just want to play games.
It is not an accident that a RPG video game is essentially a combat game with progression. It is really about gaining of powers, and apply them in fun combat, and not so much about playing the underlying characters, for most.
Having other players "inspect" me in WoW and tell me "You're playing that character WRONG!" is THE most annoying thing that ever happened to me in an MMORPG.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
WHy would I try and contradict a point that has nothing at all to do with this thread? That's the part you don't seem to get, what does anything you're saying have to do with the topic here? Roleplay is a community aspect, it has nothing at all to do with game devs, wider audiences, etc...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Not if you want video games to support RP.
We are talking about RPing in video games .. in fact, you said "community aspect". So it is fair game to discuss if it is likely to get a RP community in video games.
Most MMORPGs have a roleplay community... the size of that community differs per game, which doesn't take away that they exist. You can talk about your point all you want, it won't change what I just said, it just sounds like blah, blah, blah at this point...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Someone who does not play just for a high score or a gear score. If you are invested in your character as its own being, do that by how you chat in game or the path you pick that fits your char, then you are role playing. If your character is just an avatar you are dressing to be the best and thats the only reason, more then liely you are not role playing. Unless you are role playing you want to be Brain from Pinky and the Brain. NARF!!!!!
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
Agreed, As LordB said, 1.6 and the greater justice path to follow (guilds etc..) sounds like an RPers dream to me.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Unless of corse that how they act in RL!!! =-D
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
I never really looked at "seeking attention" by being an annoyance as RPing
.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Well I'll just ask this of those of us who are -players- min/max-ers or otherwise dont think they are RPing in game.
Do you min/max your bank balance?
Do you min/max your route to work?
How about your education?
Or is it only in an RPG that you do those things?
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson