OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
Something you forgot to mention, because plenty will not know what OOC is... It does not mean "Out of Cash." It does not mean "Out of Carrots." It does not mean "Out of Content." It does not mean "Out of Contortionists." It does not mean "Out of Credit." It does not mean "Out of Cosplay." It does not mean "Out of Coins." It does not mean "Out of Cigars." It does not mean "Out of Chapman." It does not mean "Out of Cleveland." It does not mean "Out of Condiments." It does not mean "Out of Character"... oh wait... YESH! It does mean "Out of Character."
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
That would be an rpC roleplay charater. In fact there are guilds that "RP" without any game. Its called the fine arts or to a lesser degree theater acting.
Your talking about acting out your role without the aid of a game. See an RPG is tool to make the RP experiance easier or even trasparent.
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
So you say few are RPers (realistically, i haven't seen anyone in-character much in online video games), and he said everyone is a RPGer.
The question is ... does it matter to gamers whether they are RPers or not? I just play games the way i want to ... i doubt whether you want to call me a RPer or a non-RPer will change how I play.
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
You're talking hardcore.
So tell me where do you draw the line? Where does the role playing begin? Do I have to talk in a funny voice?
When I was a kid we played Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Knights and guess what, We didn't know it or think about it, but we were role playing.
When you play an RPG you are role playing whether you like it or not. You are playing the role of your in game character and how far you take that has no bearing on the black and white.
Your remarks about NWN concerns "Hardcore" role playing.
And IMHO when you take something too seriously, it ceases to be playing. But that's another debate.
Originally posted by Jemcrystal What makes some one a role player?
I have found that every player seems to have their own definition, which is fine for they are the ones "role playing"
Generally speaking, it can be as literal as "playing a role", from Mario in Donkey Kong to the spy in Impossible Mission to the "box loader" trying fit boxes together in Tetris.
It can also be as complicated as the player desires, from a big, dumb brute to a highly intelligent scholar to a Don Juan type of romantic role or even playing a character so unlike the player's real life personality.
Most of the time, I think players think "the best" is a role that they play. Number crunching can also be "role Playing."
Good luck getting a definitive answer
[EDIT] I think Gorwe and mastercotcot have the right idea, for me
Al if that is true then the term Role-Player simply doesn't mean anything. With all respect, I just think that is a bit of a cop out. It's cool to be adaptive to people's preferences, but at some point to me it just becomes fad speak. No to me Role-Playing has a definition and Tetris doesn't have any role-playing in it.
Number crunching is number crunching, it's not role-playing.
While I agree 100% with what you say, I try not to step on toes when possible (believe it or not )
Lots of communication today is much harder because people want to change words to fit their own personal meanings. However, in the most literal sense, "Role Playing" means exactly that: Playing a role. What is never defined is what "role" means, exactly. It can be almost anything, especially in video games where a player usually takes on the aspect of a digital avatar. I just do not feel comfy trying to tell others what exactly "role" means.
Like you, "role playing" is well defined for me. What many players (mainly min/maxers) see as role playing (the broadest, most encompassing aspect), I think as cringe-worthy.
I guess it boils down to a "feeling" for me, which is not easily defined. Playing the box loader in Tetris does not "feel" like role playing to me, but it certainly fits the most literal definition
I guess the true test is the balance between "game play" and "role play." While both are fun for me, I'd rather role play then game play. And they are quite mutually exclusive. To add game play, one must take away role play and vice versa. You can definitely have both in games and a good mix is best, in my opinion, but they rarely "fit well" together
In my opinion: - Fast travel is a "game play" feature. - LFR/LFD tools are "game play" tools. - Action combat is a "game play" feature. - Emotes are a "role play" feature. - RNG is a "role play" mechanic. - 3rd person view is a "role play" feature. (It separates *me* from my avatar.)
hehehe What if we misspelled it as "roll?" (Now we can look at dice games!)
lol at the dice roll misspell. And I like your Game Play vs. Role Play thing. I'm going to use that.
MMORPG players are often like Hobbits: They don't like Adventures
Originally posted by laserit So tell me where do you draw the line? Where does the role playing begin? Do I have to talk in a funny voice?
You can talk in a funny voice on a keyboard?
I'll answer for me, only. When a player has a character concept that does NOT involve game mechanics/numbers, then they are role playing. It means a ranger that uses leather instead of the more protective chain because that is their "concept of character." Maybe their mage dislikes fire, due to some childhood accident. Fire Spells are never learned because of this, even though they may be the most powerful ones in the game.
For me, role play occurs when a player creates an avatar with a concept in mind and sticks to it, instead of going after every item that gives them "more power!" It is based on "reasons for actions."
Role playing does not have to involves using "old English" in chat. It does not have to be flirting with every avatar that catches a player's fancy.
Does that make sense?
What you are saying is true, in the most literal, general, all-inclusive sense of the word. Is that really how you define role playing?
[EDIT] Just had a thought. Do you also define "Mathematician" as anyone who can add or subtract? Or how about a "Construction Engineer" as anyone who hits a nail with a hammer, or other blunt tool?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
You're talking hardcore.
So tell me where do you draw the line? Where does the role playing begin? Do I have to talk in a funny voice?
When I was a kid we played Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Knights and guess what, We didn't know it or think about it, but we were role playing.
When you play an RPG you are role playing whether you like it or not. You are playing the role of your in game character and how far you take that has no bearing on the black and white.
Your remarks about NWN concerns "Hardcore" role playing.
And IMHO when you take something too seriously, it ceases to be playing. But that's another debate.
One more point.. WHy would the op ask this question if they weren't in fact asking about what defines a person who is a role-player, as opposed to what is a RPG game?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Roleplayer is a person, who takes a role on a certain type of character. They write paragraphs to other roleplayer by saying things like "Lana was walking down the road..." A person who indulges in Roleplaying games that involve two or more people. popularized by the infamous Dungeons and dragons games.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Originally posted by Jemcrystal What makes some one a role player?
For me, it's someone who pretends to be the character they are controlling while playing, rather than being a person at a computer.
They would make decisions in-game based on what the character would do, instead of what they would do if given the choice IRL.
You just ruled out a big majority of gamers. In fact, I have been gaming for decades, and i have yet to meet a role-player by your definition (not counting playing pnp RPG).
Yes, that does rule out the majority of "gamers"... That is just it though, not all "gamers" are, should be, can be "Roleplayers." And defining "roleplayer" is the subject as per the title of this thread. Defining "roleplayers" also by definition, tells quite well the issue with today's Massive Multiplayer Online ROLEPLAYING Games.
MMORPGs have been molded on the more actiony RPGs, you know the ones with tons of levels, gear progression etc. None of the MMORPGs strike me as close to being close to the D&D Games where the focus is a lot on story progression, player choices and roleplaying a specific type of character. Even Mass Effect is a lot more focused on story progression, player choices and roleplaying a specific type of character. In MMORPGs you don't get that.
But yeah that definition is pretty accurate.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
Everyone is role playing in a MMORPG whether they realize it or not (dancing naked on a table and exclaiming "Your Mom" is an act of Role Playing) . I believe the extent to which people roleplay is the point you are trying to argue.
In that case, there is no issue here. Everyone is a RPer.
I assume you include chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama.
Correct: Everyone is an RPer
We play these games to be entertained. We login, create a character, name them, choose a sex and usually choose a class. You enter a fictional world and begin playing the role of "Ikixurass.... Warlock From Beyond The Beyond" and begin melting the faces of your foes.
When in game.... Chatting about the latest Marvel movies, min-maxing builds, theorycrafting, talking about relatives and neighbors, and loot drama are things you are doing while you're roleplaying.
Some are just a lot more hardcore about it than most, but the fact remains.... You are role playing.
OOC chat is not roleplaying it's the direct opposite of it, min-maxing is gaming not roleplaying. IF you believe any of that is truly roleplaying you will not last long at all on a NWN 1or 2 RP player world. Roleplaying in gaming terms has a very distinct meaning and describes a certain type of player, playing a game does not make you a RPer by default, it might make you a gamer (if you play them enough), but it doesn't make you an Rper.
You're talking hardcore.
So tell me where do you draw the line? Where does the role playing begin? Do I have to talk in a funny voice?
When I was a kid we played Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Knights and guess what, We didn't know it or think about it, but we were role playing.
When you play an RPG you are role playing whether you like it or not. You are playing the role of your in game character and how far you take that has no bearing on the black and white.
Your remarks about NWN concerns "Hardcore" role playing.
And IMHO when you take something too seriously, it ceases to be playing. But that's another debate.
One more point.. WHy would the op ask this question if they weren't in fact asking about what defines a person who is a role-player, as opposed to what is a RPG game?
The op's question is pretty short and simple "What makes some one a role player?"
My answer to that question is short and simple:
All of us who play and enjoy this genre are role player's, some like to take it to a deeper level.
People play a few roles during the day. Its just most people think playing a role in a game is different, because games are for kids, and they are adults......I don't know..........its natural for me to be a role player.
We are the sane ones, the rest of the world needs to catch up.
People play a few roles during the day. Its just most people think playing a role in a game is different, because games are for kids, and they are adults......I don't know..........its natural for me to be a role player.
We are the sane ones, the rest of the world needs to catch up.
I'll drink to that
If you have an imagination... you role play... Whether you'd like to admit it or not.
I was fired from a job in 1978 because I told the supervisor I played D&D
He said "We don't want people to think that we have employees that like to dress up in weird costumes and crawl around in drain pipes...", or something along those lines.
Originally posted by laserit My answer to that question is short and simple:All of us who play and enjoy this genre are role player's, some like to take it to a deeper level.
Does that also include players that "see themsleves" in the game, as their avatar? What role are they playing? "Me. In a game?"
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse. - FARGIN_WAR
Playing an MMORPG game does not automatically and necessarily make you a roleplayer. I'd argue that MMOs have almost completely lost the "RPG" element over the past several years and cater towards a completely different type of gamer.
Most gamers do this:
Pick a race they think looks "badass".
Name avatar some "witty" name or generic username: BigOrcXYZ
Skip reading lore and text quests to hurry past this "junk"
Focus solely on gear and character progression
Use the avatar as an extension of themselves
Do not participate in any type of "roleplay" creative writing/avatar acting and, instead, always "speak" as themselves.
The above? Is not roleplaying. Those players are simply running around as an avatar that is an in game representation of themselves with (usually) a different name and (usually) different appearance. But that is not roleplaying - and if it were the case, EVERY type of game would be a roleplaying game. That is not the case.
Roleplaying is simply this: a form of creative writing and or acting while playing an (usually) RPG game, either of the traditional tabletop sort or in digital form.
Some roleplayers are "casual" RPers and may create a slight persona to their avatar but may or may not actively participate in a roleplaying community. They approach questing and some interactions as they imagine the character their avatar represents would.
Other roleplayers may respond "IC" (in character) if someone roleplays at them. That means they type (or speak) as their character avatar would.
The third level is the "hardcore" RPer. This player actively engages in the world and with other players as their character would all or most of the time. They may be in an "RP guild" , write stories about their character, make or participate in RP events, RP forums or other modes of play-active and creative writing about that character.
Frankly, the quality of RP has gone down, down, down in MMORPGs in the past decade. I used to be a "hardcore" RPer myself, but rarely engage in it any more and only on a light level these days. Mainly because, and I hate to say it, all those jokes about RP being a reason to cyber have pretty much become true. 75% of the RP that I've run into or seen in the past several years, (last 5 or so, especially) have been precursors to someone wanting to "ERP". No thanks kids.
Anyway, that's the definition of RP as I see it. Not everyone who players an RPG game is an RPer, especially in this day and age where MMOs don't even -cater to- or try to attract the RP crowd...or, at least, the quality RP crowd.
Anyway, that's the definition of RP as I see it. Not everyone who players an RPG game is an RPer, especially in this day and age where MMOs don't even -cater to- or try to attract the RP crowd...or, at least, the quality RP crowd.
Because CRPG is not about RPing, it is about combat, progression, and linear stories.
And why should MMO attract the quality RP crowd when they have bigger audiences to attract?
A huge question. You have those who think juggling some numbers is roleplaying. Those who think being immersive is roleplaying. And those who think you have to play your own role.
A huge question. You have those who think juggling some numbers is roleplaying. Those who think being immersive is roleplaying. And those who think you have to play your own role.
Doubt we will see any agreement on this one!
Of course not. If everyone agrees, there is little discussions.
At the same time, people can argue about definitions all day, but at the end, the devs cater their games to whoever they want, and definitions matter very little.
Imagination is fun and I think we "lose" too much of it when we stop being children. I personally believe, when I log on a game, I'm always roleplaying because in real life I don't cast spells, chop people with a broad axe or craft magic garments.
I can see though, where running with the right crowd it adds immersion and fun, used in a more precise definition and practice.
"What's your name?", she asked.
"It's floating about my head, you silly twit. Can't you read?"
Now, I don't roleplay like self-proclaimed "roleplayers", but it seems there needs to be an understanding and it needs to be "deep", rooted in character acting and motivation. Otherwise, I don't care how high of a horse on which you think you're sitting or even what you call roleplay. You're not doing it right and I'm laughing at you. There's theater, and then there are emotionally troubled, self-proclaimed theater students running around acting like Cleopatra. It's probably not fair I set a standard for quality since I don't really participate, but I will tell you, if I see it being done well, I think well of the performers and I wish them many more pleasant experiences.
a role player is a person that takes a specific position (or role) in a role playing game, and performs their specific task to any degree.
However, there are degrees of aptitude at role playing and some people add more to their fulfillment of those roles than others do. Some role players are more skilled, and some are more creative. Some are more immersed into the lore, and some are more immersed into the dynamics.
As with all things, I prefer a greater attention to detail, and I appreciate the efforts of people to make something better but those things do not define a role player, simply the quality of one.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
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For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
That would be an rpC roleplay charater. In fact there are guilds that "RP" without any game. Its called the fine arts or to a lesser degree theater acting.
Your talking about acting out your role without the aid of a game. See an RPG is tool to make the RP experiance easier or even trasparent.
So you say few are RPers (realistically, i haven't seen anyone in-character much in online video games), and he said everyone is a RPGer.
The question is ... does it matter to gamers whether they are RPers or not? I just play games the way i want to ... i doubt whether you want to call me a RPer or a non-RPer will change how I play.
You're talking hardcore.
So tell me where do you draw the line? Where does the role playing begin? Do I have to talk in a funny voice?
When I was a kid we played Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians, Knights and guess what, We didn't know it or think about it, but we were role playing.
When you play an RPG you are role playing whether you like it or not. You are playing the role of your in game character and how far you take that has no bearing on the black and white.
Your remarks about NWN concerns "Hardcore" role playing.
And IMHO when you take something too seriously, it ceases to be playing. But that's another debate.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
lol at the dice roll misspell. And I like your Game Play vs. Role Play thing. I'm going to use that.
I'll answer for me, only. When a player has a character concept that does NOT involve game mechanics/numbers, then they are role playing. It means a ranger that uses leather instead of the more protective chain because that is their "concept of character." Maybe their mage dislikes fire, due to some childhood accident. Fire Spells are never learned because of this, even though they may be the most powerful ones in the game.
For me, role play occurs when a player creates an avatar with a concept in mind and sticks to it, instead of going after every item that gives them "more power!" It is based on "reasons for actions."
Role playing does not have to involves using "old English" in chat. It does not have to be flirting with every avatar that catches a player's fancy.
Does that make sense?
What you are saying is true, in the most literal, general, all-inclusive sense of the word. Is that really how you define role playing?
[EDIT]
Just had a thought. Do you also define "Mathematician" as anyone who can add or subtract? Or how about a "Construction Engineer" as anyone who hits a nail with a hammer, or other blunt tool?
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
This isn't a signature, you just think it is.
One more point.. WHy would the op ask this question if they weren't in fact asking about what defines a person who is a role-player, as opposed to what is a RPG game?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Roleplayer is a person, who takes a role on a certain type of character. They write paragraphs to other roleplayer by saying things like "Lana was walking down the road..." A person who indulges in Roleplaying games that involve two or more people. popularized by the infamous Dungeons and dragons games.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
MMORPGs have been molded on the more actiony RPGs, you know the ones with tons of levels, gear progression etc. None of the MMORPGs strike me as close to being close to the D&D Games where the focus is a lot on story progression, player choices and roleplaying a specific type of character. Even Mass Effect is a lot more focused on story progression, player choices and roleplaying a specific type of character. In MMORPGs you don't get that.
But yeah that definition is pretty accurate.
Mission in life: Vanquish all MMORPG.com trolls - especially TESO, WOW and GW2 trolls.
The op's question is pretty short and simple "What makes some one a role player?"
My answer to that question is short and simple:
All of us who play and enjoy this genre are role player's, some like to take it to a deeper level.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Life.
People play a few roles during the day. Its just most people think playing a role in a game is different, because games are for kids, and they are adults......I don't know..........its natural for me to be a role player.
We are the sane ones, the rest of the world needs to catch up.
I'll drink to that
If you have an imagination... you role play... Whether you'd like to admit it or not.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I was fired from a job in 1978 because I told the supervisor I played D&D
He said "We don't want people to think that we have employees that like to dress up in weird costumes and crawl around in drain pipes...", or something along those lines.
- Al
Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.- FARGIN_WAR
Good Point! (y)
Because CRPG is not about RPing, it is about combat, progression, and linear stories.
And why should MMO attract the quality RP crowd when they have bigger audiences to attract?
A huge question. You have those who think juggling some numbers is roleplaying. Those who think being immersive is roleplaying. And those who think you have to play your own role.
Doubt we will see any agreement on this one!
Of course not. If everyone agrees, there is little discussions.
At the same time, people can argue about definitions all day, but at the end, the devs cater their games to whoever they want, and definitions matter very little.
Imagination is fun and I think we "lose" too much of it when we stop being children. I personally believe, when I log on a game, I'm always roleplaying because in real life I don't cast spells, chop people with a broad axe or craft magic garments.
I can see though, where running with the right crowd it adds immersion and fun, used in a more precise definition and practice.
"What's your name?", she asked.
"It's floating about my head, you silly twit. Can't you read?"
Now, I don't roleplay like self-proclaimed "roleplayers", but it seems there needs to be an understanding and it needs to be "deep", rooted in character acting and motivation. Otherwise, I don't care how high of a horse on which you think you're sitting or even what you call roleplay. You're not doing it right and I'm laughing at you. There's theater, and then there are emotionally troubled, self-proclaimed theater students running around acting like Cleopatra. It's probably not fair I set a standard for quality since I don't really participate, but I will tell you, if I see it being done well, I think well of the performers and I wish them many more pleasant experiences.
a role player is a person that takes a specific position (or role) in a role playing game, and performs their specific task to any degree.
However, there are degrees of aptitude at role playing and some people add more to their fulfillment of those roles than others do. Some role players are more skilled, and some are more creative. Some are more immersed into the lore, and some are more immersed into the dynamics.
As with all things, I prefer a greater attention to detail, and I appreciate the efforts of people to make something better but those things do not define a role player, simply the quality of one.
All of my posts are either intelligent, thought provoking, funny, satirical, sarcastic or intentionally disrespectful. Take your pick.
I get banned in the forums for games I love, so lets see if I do better in the forums for games I hate.
I enjoy the serenity of not caring what your opinion is.
I don't hate much, but I hate Apple© with a passion. If Steve Jobs was alive, I would punch him in the face.