Developers ban players on steam if they criticize the game

hfztt

You know, in the end Steam is a shop. Try going down to, say, an apple shop and start trashtalking thier products and see how fast you will be escorted out...

jtripper

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

Dont lie, i ask that you post the personal attacks.

Oh wait you cant cause there is none.

I bet youre one of the fanbois that cant take someone tell the truth about your game and complain to the developers, LOL.

Haha keep playing dumb, I'm sure that's not hard for you to do.  It's abundantly clear to everyone in this thread why you were banned.  You're just butt hurt that you've been banned yet again and are just whining like a little baby here.  That's all you've been doing here.  This entire thread is about whining.  Man up and accept it, right or wrong.  Stop being such a cry baby every time you get spanked.

jtripper

Originally posted by wargfoot

If when posting on a game forum you find that more often than not you're making 'constructive criticism' posts then it is time to move onto a different game.  If it gets to the point where a significant portion of the community views you as a problem then not only is the game a poor fit but the community is a poor fit as well.

You can be angry or you can recognize that Shroud of the Avatar simply isn't for you.

You'll know that you're in the right game when you spend more time playing it and little or no time commenting on the forums.

Seriously, truer words were never spoken.

You can either engage and have constructive conversations or you can spend your life being bitter and holding grudges.  To each their own.

 

psiic

Are you people really surprised ? I called this for the POS it is way back when I got first kickstart access to it.  

 

From the first rigid modeling you could tell this team is out of its depth. 

 

Now granted some gamers are into these retro games that look and play like something from 1990, but personally I feel designers should be showing us progress and forward thinking concepts, not rehashed, retro, seen it a zillion times crap that felt old 10 years ago.

 

Sadly this has seemed to be the mantra of indie kickstart developers to date. 

 

 

Aragon100

Originally posted by jtripper

Originally posted by Aragon100

 

Dont lie, i ask that you post the personal attacks.

Oh wait you cant cause there is none.

I bet youre one of the fanbois that cant take someone tell the truth about your game and complain to the developers, LOL.

Haha keep playing dumb, I'm sure that's not hard for you to do.  It's abundantly clear to everyone in this thread why you were banned.  You're just butt hurt that you've been banned yet again and are just whining like a little baby here.  That's all you've been doing here.  This entire thread is about whining.  Man up and accept it, right or wrong.  Stop being such a cry baby every time you get spanked.

And again youre completely unconstructive, and not one personal attack that you claimed you read can be found in this reply either.

Your just another fanatic fanbois that cant read the truth about your crappy community and your awful game.

So instead of delivering anything that back your statement you instead went for the name calling.

Says alot about you and your intentions.

Grow some balls and then deliver some of the personal attacks you claim you found.

Aragon100

Originally posted by hfztt
You know, in the end Steam is a shop. Try going down to, say, an apple shop and start trashtalking thier products and see how fast you will be escorted out...

I am not that surpriced but it is important that potential pledgers know who they are dealing with.

Thats why constructive feedback on for example PvP is important.

These developers have been trying to lure loads of people to their game on false intentions and they need to be revealed.

To many times have i seen developers promise this and that and when the game is released very little of their promises was actually in the game.

Garriott call this a "spiritual successor to Ultima Online" which lured alot of old hardcore PvP players to pledge. This game have nothing with UO PvP to do.

Aragon100

Originally posted by NobleNerd

I understand the concern the OP has about posting anything but soft and safe comments so to not upset the masses. I have had temp. bans on these forums because people complained and all it amounted to was I upset the wrong person with a post about their favorite game. When I challenged the Moderator to read my posts and find a reason to ban me they always ended up lifting the ban (doubt that would happen with SotA forums... team is bent on one direction and doesn't consider player feedback unless it supports that vision).

Fact is people like to complain and most the time they report you as a "Troll" when they have no clue what true "Trolling" is and just got bent over someone expressing negatively about their game or ignorant comment. What I suggest is doing what you are doing and tone it down a bit on that forum, obviously what your expressing is not having a positive impact on their forums.

I agree with you and since it is a temporary ban i will be back as you say abit softer.

Lets see if developers can take softer critic.

Tamanous

Good to see OP has had this opportunity to learn that you don't have to be a dick to criticize something.

 

Learn to communicate properly and to respect others with opposing views. Seeing how many quotes he has in this thread tells me he has a very difficult time not having the last word on something. This rarely leads to constructive conversations.

 

I mark this as a win for the good guys.

Adjuvant1

Originally posted by Tamanous

I mark this as a win for the good guys.

I really dislike this statement. That's all I can in the flood of vitriol I'd like to throw at it, whirling in my brain. (What? Who? Good Guys? Bandwagon? Parrot? Why? Scolding? You are? Who says?) Just... a bad deal.

Slampig

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Harafnir

Originally posted by Aragon100

Sad to see how developers ban players on steam even though they have adapted to the rules demanded.

Dont use the "carebear" word so lets play along. Check i wont and didnt.

So after adapting to the rules demanded by developers i get a message that say "

 

I'm going with Harafnir on this one.

Oh sure, I could list things that need work (isn't this a pre-alpha anyway?) and will probably get work. Though I still imagine one will have to play this game knowing it's an "indy game" (fine with me).

However, I strongly suspect that if you have to point out the above highlighted bit then I bet there are other "niceties" in your lexicon of criticism.

Many players seem not to know how to actually criticize something and instead their criticisms devolve into rants and attacks. 

@OP: your issue is not restraining from using the word "carebear" but not restraining the attitude that is behind it.

Now, if every criticism on their forum is banned then "sure" you might have a point. But if there are negatives and negatives put in a constructive way then maybe the problem really is you?

They didnt gave a example whatsoever and i had as i wrote adapted to the rules.

This is developers banning cause they dont like what you write.

Could it be that what you are writing is confrontational and hostile?

 

Aragon100

Originally posted by Torvaldr

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Kyleran
Look Argon, they didn't ban you over the use of one word, they looked at your overall posting history on their forums, put considerable weight on other users complaints, and made a decision that letting you post there was not in their best interest.

They don't have to follow any sort of process,procedure, or even be fair about it. They can ban you for any reason at all, and from the way you've presented yourself in this forum in this thread as well as others, I can understand why they banned you.

Not saying I agree with them, but it is there forums and their rules so I respect their decision. I stay away from official forums because of their heavy handed moderation, perhaps you will do the same.

Aye, that seem to be a accurate reason behind developers behaviour.

Sad to see they only want the yes sayers.

See you still miss his entire point. It's about "yes men" or fanbois. It's about wanting community members that can get along with the rest of the community even when they don't see eye to eye. You don't seem to have developed that skill yet. You are needlessly confrontational, judgemental, personally critical, and feel entitled to push your opinion and agenda. At some point you should just let it go.

No it is you that miss the point of the thread all together.

Banning players cause they dont act like all other yes sayers is why i made this thread.

As long as you run arround saying yes, yes, yes all seem to be fine but when you say your meaning (negatively) about the game then developers try to remove you from the discussion. A bit like russia before the wall fell.

Do you like censorship? Don't you want to see another opinion then the one developers handed to you?

I say my meaning without asking for developers acceptance first.

If you don't then i feel sorry for you.

 

 

Aragon100

Originally posted by Tamanous

Good to see OP has had this opportunity to learn that you don't have to be a dick to criticize something.

 

Learn to communicate properly and to respect others with opposing views. Seeing how many quotes he has in this thread tells me he has a very difficult time not having the last word on something. This rarely leads to constructive conversations.

 

I mark this as a win for the good guys.

Getting a ban outside the rules have most likely informed lots of potential buyers who run this game and what methods they use to silence critic.

My guess is that it is not for the good of this game, what do you think?

Sovrath

Originally posted by Aragon100

Originally posted by Kyleran
Look Argon, they didn't ban you over the use of one word, they looked at your overall posting history on their forums, put considerable weight on other users complaints, and made a decision that letting you post there was not in their best interest.

They don't have to follow any sort of process,procedure, or even be fair about it. They can ban you for any reason at all, and from the way you've presented yourself in this forum in this thread as well as others, I can understand why they banned you.

Not saying I agree with them, but it is there forums and their rules so I respect their decision. I stay away from official forums because of their heavy handed moderation, perhaps you will do the same.

Aye, that seem to be a accurate reason behind developers behaviour.

Sad to see they only want the yes sayers.

Apparently they are not solely interested in the "yes sayers". I already posted a portion of a very negative and long post. Not only is the post still there but the developers have engaged the poster in discussion, apologized for his experience and promised that they were working hard on making it a better experience.

So apparently that is absolutely "not true'. 

Adjuvant1

Well, I also saw they posted "any kind of language insinuating or using the term rip-off" will attract banning, and referenced legal council in the matter. I've not posted in that forum and my opinion of the game is still not formulated, but "rip-off" does sound like something I would say, were I to the point I deemed cautionary advice prudent to strangers regarding the product.

This review is painful to watch. Yes, yes I know it's alpha. Yes I understand the circumstances of crowdfunding. It's still painful.

Ratero

I paid out over $500 on this title.  On an early release I had the opportunity to log in and see the houses that they had created and I was surprised at how small they actually were.  I've never logged back in and I've regretted paying that kind of "support" money ever since.  I seriously doubt I will ever play SotA.

Ratero.