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SoE accused of secretly adjusting droprates in their MMO to promote cash shop

KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130

http://massively.joystiq.com/2015/01/02/planetside-2-implant-changes-arent-a-money-grab-smedley-says/

Gaming blog In An Age is tracking the recent saga of PlanetSide 2's implant system, noting that the team quietly nerfed the drop rate of free implants and downwardly adjusted the power of tier 1 through 3 implants in order to push sales for the new tier 4 implants. Implants offer temporary buffs or abilities for characters and require an energy cost to activate.

SOE President John Smedley defended the move on Twitter: "Sorry, but we are actually trying to make money. I don't consider it a money grab." In a later tweet, he clarified that the team "made the drop rate [for implants] too high a while ago."

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  • ElirionLothElirionLoth Member UncommonPosts: 308
    Those bastards!  Trying to make money and stuff.  I won't stand for it!
  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,060
    Well, it is true, they aren't running a charity, and they will try to monitize their products in a manner that is in their best interest.

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  • OriousOrious Member UncommonPosts: 548
    Almost every F2P game I've ever played has low rates and cash shop items for improving them...

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916

    Honestly can you trust any company not to end up compromising anything when they put it in the cash shop to make a profit?

     

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  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130

    added gif someone replied with in another thread, thought it was funny

    personally I don't get people defending this, luckily I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff in FFXIV

  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Imagine that - devs control drop rates in their own game.

    Shocking.

    They also control the prices in the cash shop that they run.

    More shocking.

     

    If by shocking you mean NOT SHOCKING AT ALL then yes it is very shocking.

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  • Zarf42Zarf42 Member Posts: 250
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Imagine that - devs control drop rates in their own game.

    Shocking.

    They also control the prices in the cash shop that they run.

    More shocking.

    If by shocking you mean NOT SHOCKING AT ALL then yes it is very shocking.

    Somehow I think his sarcasm was lost on you.

  • goldenmoogoldenmoo Member Posts: 5
    reasons i dont play soe games they all sem like horribule money grabs
  • AmjocoAmjoco Member UncommonPosts: 4,860
    This is just common adjustments by those who can. Not a big deal to me and probably not to many others. 

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  • NildenNilden Member EpicPosts: 3,916
    Originally posted by Zarf42
    Originally posted by nilden
    Originally posted by DMKano

    Imagine that - devs control drop rates in their own game.

    Shocking.

    They also control the prices in the cash shop that they run.

    More shocking.

    If by shocking you mean NOT SHOCKING AT ALL then yes it is very shocking.

    Somehow I think his sarcasm was lost on you.

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  • ElirionLothElirionLoth Member UncommonPosts: 308
    Originally posted by Kiyoris

    added gif someone replied with in another thread, thought it was funny

    personally I don't get people defending this, luckily I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff in FFXIV

    You mean this "running a business and trying to make money" thing?

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    I have no problem at all with just about anything in planetside 2. You can play the game completely f2p. I'm not surprise they feel the can make more from it. 
  • udonudon Member UncommonPosts: 1,803
    Originally posted by goldenmoo
    reasons i dont play soe games they all sem like horribule money grabs

    As compared to what?  There is far far worse out there than what SOE does.

  • TheGoblinKingTheGoblinKing Member UncommonPosts: 208
    I don't see how an article about a free to play game trying to squeeze money out of you is news LOL
  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by ElirionLoth
    Originally posted by Kiyoris

    added gif someone replied with in another thread, thought it was funny

    personally I don't get people defending this, luckily I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff in FFXIV

    You mean this "running a business and trying to make money" thing?

    don't know who you are quoting, wasn't me

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by goldenmoo
    reasons i dont play soe games they all sem like horribule money grabs

    feel the same

  • filmoretfilmoret Member EpicPosts: 4,906
    Lol what game doesn't do this?  You think that's bad, there's some games that purposely break quests or dungeons until they an be properly nerfed.
    Are you onto something or just on something?
  • ElirionLothElirionLoth Member UncommonPosts: 308
    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    Originally posted by ElirionLoth
    Originally posted by Kiyoris

    added gif someone replied with in another thread, thought it was funny

    personally I don't get people defending this, luckily I don't have to deal with this kind of stuff in FFXIV

    You mean this "running a business and trying to make money" thing?

    don't know who you are quoting, wasn't me

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  • sakersaker Member RarePosts: 1,458

    Does this truly surprise anyone? In any of these companies let alone $oE...? We in Murica live in a corporate-fascism not a Democracy, this kind of thing shouldn't surprise anyone. If it surprises you I pity you as a naive fool. As for people defending it, well people have been propagandized to believe that corporates are people and have human rights, in such a environment of at best willful ignorance I'm not surprised.

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130

    I don't think I'm the only one surprised that SoE secretly adjust droprates to promote cash shop items. Just the only one willing to admit it.

    If everyone knew it, the article wouldn't exist.

    A lottery doing this would be shut down and placed under investigation. Real money is being transacted in SoE games daily.

    Rigging the system is not something that is done very often.

  • sakersaker Member RarePosts: 1,458


    Originally posted by Kiyoris
    I don't think I'm the only one surprised that SoE secretly adjust droprates to promote cash shop items. Just the only one willing to admit it.If everyone knew it, the article wouldn't exist.A lottery doing this would be shut down.

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  • ElirionLothElirionLoth Member UncommonPosts: 308
    Originally posted by Kiyoris

    I don't think I'm the only one surprised that SoE secretly adjust droprates to promote cash shop items. Just the only one willing to admit it.

    If everyone knew it, the article wouldn't exist.

    A lottery doing this would be shut down and placed under investigation. Real money is being transacted in SoE games daily.

    Rigging the system is not something that is done very often.

    So, before now, in a F2P game where items can be obtained through in-game drops or bought from the cash shop, what did you believe the drop rates were based on for these types of items?  Did you believe the drop rates were established with no thought to how this would effect purchases of that item from the cash shop?

  • kjempffkjempff Member RarePosts: 1,760

    "Accused", "Secretly" ? of course they are, and so does every other f2p game monetized with a cash shop. What is this bull with game devs being greedy ? their business is to make money and with a f2p model, that is how you make money - Did you really believe games were  "Free to play" ? wake up. As a gamer, I dislike and distrust most f2p models, and it only makes games worse, but that is besides the point. Greed is simply not a concept that makes sense in business, and a game is business.

  • KiyorisKiyoris Member RarePosts: 2,130
    Originally posted by ElirionLoth
    Originally posted by Kiyoris

    I don't think I'm the only one surprised that SoE secretly adjust droprates to promote cash shop items. Just the only one willing to admit it.

    If everyone knew it, the article wouldn't exist.

    A lottery doing this would be shut down and placed under investigation. Real money is being transacted in SoE games daily.

    Rigging the system is not something that is done very often.

    So, before now, in a F2P game where items can be obtained through in-game drops or bought from the cash shop, what did you believe the drop rates were based on for these types of items?  Did you believe the drop rates were established with no thought to how this would effect purchases of that item from the cash shop?

    During creation, droprates are calculated, just like a lottery calculates their chances, just like a casino knows their chances.

    But adjusting droprate in secret after the fact, to pull more revenue, no, I had no idea SoE was doing that.

  • IselinIselin Member LegendaryPosts: 18,719

    I can only see someone being surprised or outraged by this if they actually believe that the F in F2P really does mean free. This is not even an example of some of the more questionable practices in F2P games. It's just fine tuning their revenue.

     

    P2P games do a very similar thing by just adding "end-game" content or slowing down leveling. If you want to be a cynic about it, you can say they're just doing it to get another month's sub from you.

     

    Playing MMOs will cost you money... except maybe for one notorious poster in these forums who claims to never pay a dime.

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