Really? Guild Halls was something that was supposed to be released with the original Guild Wars 2 release and they promised they'd give it to us "down the road" (apparently three years later counts as "down the road"). It was heavily implied that it wouldn't be locked away behind a pay wall since the devs kept screaming that there would be no expansion (even though many of us continued to beg for an expansion anyways).
Not an extremely classy move in my opinion.
Where did they EVER SAY GH would be in game? They said they would like them but with the way the original server system was, there was no way it was possible.
Another poster who can't read - maybe and would try = it will be in game at the beginning.
Remember Guild Wars is NAMED FOR THE HISTORY THAT A.Net developed for the GW Universe. Have GvG and GH in GW1 was just happenstance. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore
"We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls."
gw2 threads are always so fun
Thank you so much. I could have sworn that they said that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Excuse me while I go edit my original comment again. I was actually correct. So there you go Guild Wars 2 crusaders.
A forum moderator probably asked someone pushing a broom next to him how he should answer the question. This is hardly an official answer. haha. Oh my word you guys have to be kidding.
Martin Kerstein is Head of community and content marketing. He was speaking on Eric Flannum, GW2's Lead designer's comments.
AND Neura found it. Post is at the top of page 3. NOT ME lol
Really? Guild Halls was something that was supposed to be released with the original Guild Wars 2 release and they promised they'd give it to us "down the road" (apparently three years later counts as "down the road"). It was heavily implied that it wouldn't be locked away behind a pay wall since the devs kept screaming that there would be no expansion (even though many of us continued to beg for an expansion anyways).
Not an extremely classy move in my opinion.
Where did they EVER SAY GH would be in game? They said they would like them but with the way the original server system was, there was no way it was possible.
Another poster who can't read - maybe and would try = it will be in game at the beginning.
Remember Guild Wars is NAMED FOR THE HISTORY THAT A.Net developed for the GW Universe. Have GvG and GH in GW1 was just happenstance. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore
"We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls."
gw2 threads are always so fun
Thank you so much. I could have sworn that they said that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Excuse me while I go edit my original comment again. I was actually correct. So there you go Guild Wars 2 crusaders.
A forum moderator probably asked someone pushing a broom next to him how he should answer the question. This is hardly an official answer. haha. Oh my word you guys have to be kidding.
This was an answer from an ArenaNet representative. I think it's funny when someone finds the proof you people ask for and you still find a way to discredit it. GW2 crusaders aren't coming off as desperate at all.
Really? Guild Halls was something that was supposed to be released with the original Guild Wars 2 release and they promised they'd give it to us "down the road" (apparently three years later counts as "down the road"). It was heavily implied that it wouldn't be locked away behind a pay wall since the devs kept screaming that there would be no expansion (even though many of us continued to beg for an expansion anyways).
Not an extremely classy move in my opinion.
Where did they EVER SAY GH would be in game? They said they would like them but with the way the original server system was, there was no way it was possible.
Another poster who can't read - maybe and would try = it will be in game at the beginning.
Remember Guild Wars is NAMED FOR THE HISTORY THAT A.Net developed for the GW Universe. Have GvG and GH in GW1 was just happenstance. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore
"We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls."
gw2 threads are always so fun
Thank you so much. I could have sworn that they said that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Excuse me while I go edit my original comment again. I was actually correct. So there you go Guild Wars 2 crusaders.
A forum moderator probably asked someone pushing a broom next to him how he should answer the question. This is hardly an official answer. haha. Oh my word you guys have to be kidding.
This was an answer from an ArenaNet representative. I think it's funny when someone finds the proof you people ask for and you still find a way to discredit it. GW2 crusaders aren't coming off as desperate at all.
Ok you are right. I'm not going to buy the expansion. You are a winner!
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As "responsible developers" they did provide you guys with "free and new" content : which was "living story". it may not what you wanted or recognize as content but that was what they meant nonetheless. No matter how many times you say that those "living story" updates were just like tri monthly or holiday events in other AAA mmorpg, fact is that what ANET considers to be "great and challenging content".
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Really? Guild Halls was something that was supposed to be released with the original Guild Wars 2 release and they promised they'd give it to us "down the road" (apparently three years later counts as "down the road"). It was heavily implied that it wouldn't be locked away behind a pay wall since the devs kept screaming that there would be no expansion (even though many of us continued to beg for an expansion anyways).
Not an extremely classy move in my opinion.
Where did they EVER SAY GH would be in game? They said they would like them but with the way the original server system was, there was no way it was possible.
Another poster who can't read - maybe and would try = it will be in game at the beginning.
Remember Guild Wars is NAMED FOR THE HISTORY THAT A.Net developed for the GW Universe. Have GvG and GH in GW1 was just happenstance. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore
"We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls."
gw2 threads are always so fun
Thank you so much. I could have sworn that they said that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Excuse me while I go edit my original comment again. I was actually correct. So there you go Guild Wars 2 crusaders.
A forum moderator probably asked someone pushing a broom next to him how he should answer the question. This is hardly an official answer. haha. Oh my word you guys have to be kidding.
This was an answer from an ArenaNet representative. I think it's funny when someone finds the proof you people ask for and you still find a way to discredit it. GW2 crusaders aren't coming off as desperate at all.
Ok you are right. I'm not going to buy the expansion. You are a winner!
You guys don't even know what features are exclusive to the expansion and what will be integrated in the vanilla game.
For example WvW new borderland. Are they going to lock players out of WvW if they don't have HoT? Or just when the map is in rotation? Or will they keep 2 WvW?
Everyone expected expansions before and at release. Then when living world was announced it was said it was impossible to release content every month. They started releasing content every 2 weeks so now some pretend content that took a minimum of 1-2 hours, per patch to complete and more if you went for achievements is not content because it is not permanent. Then it is permanent but it is not an expansion because they have no money to do an expansion (although they keep 300+ staff). Maybe they do something but it will never be a retail expansion. It is a retail expansion... Hmm must be really small and how safe they charge for content?
Must be a tough life to be a gw2 hater.
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I do agree with the OP as there has been very little in the way of content in GW2 since launch. Look at GW1 every year there was a new huge expansion you had to buy with new races new classes and new zones. Its been a few rears now since GW2 came out and really very little content in comparison to GW1.
In My Opinion I think that GW2 was launched a year to 2 to early. If we are finally getting new content on a much bigger scale that means that they are no longer working on the base game they not have the resources to expand the world and give us all the content they we all have been waiting for. Bring on the new classes and races please.
GW1 - Prophecies, Factions, Nightfall WERE NOT EXPANSIONS - they were standalone games - Eye of the North was an Expansion.
Please understand that. With the WOW expansions, you have to have the original game to play them, same as the GW2 expansion and Eye of the North for GW1 (you needed Prophecies).
...Um, no. They were not "standalone" games. They were campaigns, and considering the campaigns were linked in one game world with the ability to transfer to a specific campaign if you already owned one or more campaign, they might as well have been called expansions. But semantics, right?
They were Standalone games - you didn't need Prophecies to play either Nightfall or Factions. Just because they also added into the game together was just an added bonus. I know plenty of people that started with one of those and then eventually got the others but you didn't have to start with Prophecies.
Not semantics at all - that is what you are doing.
A 5 second google search will tell you that they are campaigns.
...and 2 more seconds after the search, you can read their definition of a campain...
I think you all are missing my point. It does not matter what the expansions is called they are all content and GW1 (April 28, 2005) made a lot more content in its 1st 3 years for the us players then GW2(August 28 2012) has in the same amount of time. I'm still waiting for all the new content. If you are not sure go Look it up you will see a giant difference in the 2 games.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter You guys don't even know what features are exclusive to the expansion and what will be integrated in the vanilla game.
For example WvW new borderland. Are they going to lock players out of WvW if they don't have HoT? Or just when the map is in rotation? Or will they keep 2 WvW?
Everyone expected expansions before and at release. Then when living world was announced it was said it was impossible to release content every month. They started releasing content every 2 weeks so now some pretend content that took a minimum of 1-2 hours, per patch to complete and more if you went for achievements is not content because it is not permanent. Then it is permanent but it is not an expansion because they have no money to do an expansion (although they keep 300+ staff). Maybe they do something but it will never be a retail expansion. It is a retail expansion... Hmm must be really small and how safe they charge for content?
Must be a tough life to be a gw2 hater.
I like how you totally fail to mention the terrible quality of S1 where they did updates every two weeks, and how they also had bugs in almost every release of LS updates in S1. Having updates every two week isn't viable, unless you enjoy crappy content.
Thank you so much. I could have sworn that they said that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Excuse me while I go edit my original comment again. I was actually correct. So there you go Guild Wars 2 crusaders.
Your context is what matters and that quote does not justify it, you're entire point was about paying for it, which they never said you wouldn't have to.
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I´m going to cite my ol granny... The translation will have to be a bit rough but in essence it goes like this...
"Faith is something you put in the church (tror gör man i kyrkan)... "
The everyday meaning being that you should not act on faith nor be surprised when reality does not match said expectations. The long and the short of it is that things change and i am not going to say that you should not whip up a storm about it... That is after all how change comes about. But don´t act like a scorned lover over something that was said 3 years ago... Things have changed since, especially in the economy.
Anet of course have two main goals right now. A: Keep the doors open, and B: Keep the game running and growing. Everything else is secondary... including(especially) vague allusions made several years ago. That is just the reality of it. After all... can anyone here stand up and HONESTLY say they never went back on their word or had to change planes they made...
Congratualtion... If you are standing up now you are a... well you know.
So be glad that this revelation came now and in such a mundane and unimportant matter... I would hate so see anyone coming to the understanding that things change in regards to something really important...
So they're supposed to be bent out of shape over a vague forum post, that didn't actually promise anything but pretty much say "We're hoping to make housing and guild housing in the future! Yay optimism!"
Nah, I'm not even upset about WotLK not having dance studio and it's on the fucking box!
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What is this freaking content that you people keep mentioning?! Living story is not something I consider as content.
Also, "heavily implied" is apparently lost on the majority of you folks.
Great, but since when does the world revolve around what any one person thinks? "they" think it is content. I'm sure others do as well.
Just because "I" think certain things (and I do) doesn't mean others are going to share the same opinion (and they don't).
Even if you don't like what GW2 devs have done it does take work and people consider it content.
As far as your second part, I think what is lost on you is that if you want to make a statement that they "heavily implied" something then show how it was heavily implied.
Because if it doesn't exist, then it's not really lost on people.
"you" think that they have't added content and "you" think that everyone else doesn't get what "you" think was heavily implied.
If you want others to see your point then make one and back it up. Otherwise it just becomes a rant and is that what you really want?
They have given us a lot of free content...as any other f2p mmo (Yes,thats MY thoughts)
It was never said or confirmed that core game features (like Guild Halls) would be exclusive to owners of the expansion. It could easily be an update to the core game that is lumped into the expansion patch. There is a bit of doubt here, as it was described as a guild hall "grown in the heart of the Maguuma Jungle," but there is still hope on that one given the nature of it.
For a more obvious, guaranteed example of this, take note of their major WvW overhaul. That's a significant part of the update that was announced alongside the expansion on the expansion page on their website. Does this imply that only players who own the expansion will be able to enjoy the new and improved WvW where "holding objectives" is more important? Absolutely not. That would be ridiculous. It's going to be an update to the core game that all players will be able to benefit from.
It was never said or confirmed that core game features (like Guild Halls) would be exclusive to owners of the expansion. It could easily be an update to the core game that is lumped into the expansion patch. There is a bit of doubt here, as it was described as a guild hall "grown in the heart of the Maguuma Jungle," but there is still hope on that one given the nature of it.
For a more obvious, guaranteed example of this, take note of their major WvW overhaul. That's a significant part of the update that was announced alongside the expansion on the expansion page on their website. Does this imply that only players who own the expansion will be able to enjoy the new and improved WvW where "holding objectives" is more important? Absolutely not. That would be ridiculous. It's going to be an update to the core game that all players will be able to benefit from.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter You guys don't even know what features are exclusive to the expansion and what will be integrated in the vanilla game.
For example WvW new borderland. Are they going to lock players out of WvW if they don't have HoT? Or just when the map is in rotation? Or will they keep 2 WvW?
Everyone expected expansions before and at release. Then when living world was announced it was said it was impossible to release content every month. They started releasing content every 2 weeks so now some pretend content that took a minimum of 1-2 hours, per patch to complete and more if you went for achievements is not content because it is not permanent. Then it is permanent but it is not an expansion because they have no money to do an expansion (although they keep 300+ staff). Maybe they do something but it will never be a retail expansion. It is a retail expansion... Hmm must be really small and how safe they charge for content?
Must be a tough life to be a gw2 hater.
Uh....why would they be advertised as part of the expansion....if they aren't actually part of the expansion? They're all advertised on the expansion's main page.
Guild Halls are even explicitly stated as being located in the Maguuma Jungle (the region which this new expansion will unlock). Judging purely from the evidence presented so far, there is no reason to conclude that guild halls, or anything else listed on that page, will be given away for free with no obligation to purchase the expansion.
I'd love to be proven wrong because it would soothe some of my own anger towards the devs, but I'm not holding my breath. Better brace yourselves for the very real possibility that everything on that page will be trapped behind the expansion paywall.
Really? Guild Halls was something that was supposed to be released with the original Guild Wars 2 release and they promised they'd give it to us "down the road" (apparently three years later counts as "down the road"). It was heavily implied that it wouldn't be locked away behind a pay wall since the devs kept screaming that there would be no expansion (even though many of us continued to beg for an expansion anyways).
Ooh, come on! Really? ARe you going to go there? Insult a game which delivers an INSANE value for money for not delivering one feature? Priorities changes. Deal with it. Are you saying that if you are still playing GW2 at the time that Guild Halls are introduced, you are not paying for the expansion anyway? If you are not playing GW2, then this thread is redundant.
Ultimately we paid like $40-60 for this game yet got more value out of it than any other game can give you (if you like GW2 taht is).
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It was never said or confirmed that core game features (like Guild Halls) would be exclusive to owners of the expansion. It could easily be an update to the core game that is lumped into the expansion patch. There is a bit of doubt here, as it was described as a guild hall "grown in the heart of the Maguuma Jungle," but there is still hope on that one given the nature of it.
For a more obvious, guaranteed example of this, take note of their major WvW overhaul. That's a significant part of the update that was announced alongside the expansion on the expansion page on their website. Does this imply that only players who own the expansion will be able to enjoy the new and improved WvW where "holding objectives" is more important? Absolutely not. That would be ridiculous. It's going to be an update to the core game that all players will be able to benefit from.
Originally posted by Gaia_Hunter You guys don't even know what features are exclusive to the expansion and what will be integrated in the vanilla game.
For example WvW new borderland. Are they going to lock players out of WvW if they don't have HoT? Or just when the map is in rotation? Or will they keep 2 WvW?
Everyone expected expansions before and at release. Then when living world was announced it was said it was impossible to release content every month. They started releasing content every 2 weeks so now some pretend content that took a minimum of 1-2 hours, per patch to complete and more if you went for achievements is not content because it is not permanent. Then it is permanent but it is not an expansion because they have no money to do an expansion (although they keep 300+ staff). Maybe they do something but it will never be a retail expansion. It is a retail expansion... Hmm must be really small and how safe they charge for content?
Must be a tough life to be a gw2 hater.
Uh....why would they be advertised as part of the expansion....if they aren't actually part of the expansion? They're all advertised on the expansion's main page.
Guild Halls are even explicitly stated as being located in the Maguuma Jungle (the region which this new expansion will unlock). Judging purely from the evidence presented so far, there is no reason to conclude that guild halls, or anything else listed on that page, will be given away for free with no obligation to purchase the expansion.
I'd love to be proven wrong because it would soothe some of my own anger towards the devs, but I'm not holding my breath. Better brace yourselves for the very real possibility that everything on that page will be trapped behind the expansion paywall.
Functionality.
For WvW for example.
No way they going to keep 2 WvW versions running, one for vanilla owners and other for xpac owners. They also won't lock out people without the xpac from WvW.
Also in GW1 each campaign had guild halls with their own style but all the guild halls were classified as core.
Now I don't know how they going to implement this but it would seem weird that "hey guys let meet in the guild hall" "erm I can't get there cause I don't have the xpac".
It is true that they say "work with your guild mates as you grow your own guild hall in the heart of maguuma".
So, we shall see.
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I like how you totally fail to mention the terrible quality of S1 where they did updates every two weeks, and how they also had bugs in almost every release of LS updates in S1. Having updates every two week isn't viable, unless you enjoy crappy content.
Every release of content has bugs.
I saved myself the frustration and started playing the content 2-3 days in after all/most of the bugs were fixed.
So I got many hours of play out of patches for free.
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I have played GW2 on and off since launch for thousands of hours. It cost me $60 for the game, about $10 for character slot expansions, and I also bought it for a friend on sale for $20. Altogether that is quite a bit less than the box price I paid for ESO which I also had to pay a sub for.
I have also seen more and better free content and development in GW2 since launch than I have seen in many sub based games, the game itself was incredibly polished from the get go (unlike ESO for example). The devs are in the forums actively speaking to the player base, we have had forum based "collaborative development" sessions which have resulted in real changes based on common ground between the devs vision and community desires.
ANET has earned my trust and "fandom". Even if they had "promised" to implement something in the original GW2, but ended up holding it back for an expansion I would feel no problem with paying for that feature. Its not like they are asking me to fork out $15/month or pumping out dlc that I have to buy every few months. What has it been three years already? How could any sane person possibly complain about having to pay for an expansion after three years of getting free updates, development, and content to an already quite amazing game on the vaguest of hints that a feature planned for GW2 would be included in the expansion?
I have played GW2 on and off since launch for thousands of hours. It cost me $60 for the game, about $10 for character slot expansions, and I also bought it for a friend on sale for $20. Altogether that is quite a bit less than the box price I paid for ESO which I also had to pay a sub for.
I have also seen more and better free content and development in GW2 since launch than I have seen in many sub based games, the game itself was incredibly polished from the get go (unlike ESO for example). The devs are in the forums actively speaking to the player base, we have had forum based "collaborative development" sessions which have resulted in real changes based on common ground between the devs vision and community desires.
ANET has earned my trust and "fandom". Even if they had "promised" to implement something in the original GW2, but ended up holding it back for an expansion I would feel no problem with paying for that feature. Its not like they are asking me to fork out $15/month or pumping out dlc that I have to buy every few months. What has it been three years already? How could any sane person possibly complain about having to pay for an expansion after three years of getting free updates, development, and content to an already quite amazing game on the vaguest of hints that a feature planned for GW2 would be included in the expansion?
And so i agree... in general they added 3 types of content, first there was the seasonal content, after that there was the open world oriented content of Season 1, and then there was the instanced story based content of season 2.... In the end, we will see a mix of these 3 types added as free content...
Personally, i dont mind paying for a game, so far its been pretty cheap, and i am willing to pay a fullbox price if the expansion has half or more of the content of the original game...
Anyone complaining about this did not understand what the game had to offer compared to other MMO´s. Its been a top knotch experience whitouth limitations much cheaper then anything else so far. But then some people are never content with what they get, and now they are trying to blame Anet unjustly of being un fair..
Never was there a more fair developer then Arenanet
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I think it should have been obvious that if the feature was ever added like they promised (far before even the quoted link and to fans of the Original Guild Wars looking forward to the next installment... by the way, they also promised a third episode of Guild Wars Beyond in addition to a new expansion, which they kicked to the side for Guild Wars 2) that it would be put behind a pay wall after seeing what the game became after launch. Horrible quality living world content (season one) to sell items related to such in the cash shop. Announcements of no planned expansions and people citing some conflict between Arenanet and NCsoft. Even taking so long (and still not to the satisfaction to most) for PvP improvements, bug fixing, etc. It should have been apparent that if a promised feature was to ever make it, it would be in an expansion.
I'm actually okay with that.
The fact that we are finally getting an expansion fills me with some hope as to seeing the game return to it's roots in terms of lore and storytelling (the base story of GW2 was horrible with one minute missions and long talking screens with bad writing... nothing like the exceedingly dark world of Guild Wars 1 and it's hour plus long missions and in game cutscenes) especially since they are implementing the Revenant (Guild War 1's Ritualist) that can channel the mist and summon the powers of ancient heroes (said to be those of guild wars 1). The actual content makes me worry as we're only visiting the Maguuma Jungle -- something that was just quick filler in Prophecies to move you between Lion's Arch, the White Mantle / Undead and the Crystal Desert (which there are still no real desert areas in game save for a portion of PvP). The return of Glint is also hopeful (or at least mention of her).
I'll just have to see how big it is map wise to see if there's hope that we'll see Cantha and Elona one day. Though the Crystal Desert is also still mission and was -- like Maguuma -- part of the base game of GW1 as is.
What I don't like is no mention of Personal Housing despite the talk about your personal house back in beta, and how it got a lot of people interested (particularly RPers). It is another case where something wasn't added after promising it, and RPers -- and others who were looking forward to Houses and Guild Halls (since they themselves placed them together) were shafted on. Arenanet just became another "we'll tell you anything to sell our product" company to me after a couple years of waiting (which many view them as already with their manifesto for whatever reasons). Though it happens with most companies -- promise something and then change direction when they face reality. Speak of something when it's not in the game and ready just to hype people up. It was the norm back then.
The real issue (for me) is taking three years to implement one half of a promise. Potentially only getting one map with three layers in an expansion. Not touching on Elona or Cantha or even adding the Crystal Desert along with the Jungle so that it has at least half of the landmass content that many of us expect an expansion to have (again presuming it's just the Maguuma Jungle after three years of waiting).
I hope the expansion sells well so that they will be inclined to make more, learning from this one and improving on it further for the next. More than happy to spend money on expansions and not have "living world" content attached to new items in the cash shop. Would be fine if it didn't detract from actually making the game better instead of just a few tasks to do and deter actually working on real and substantial content. Heck, I own three accounts on Guild Wars. They all have every expansion bought. Two of them have every cash shop item bought. The items didn't detract from making actual content for the game, as we got six month expansions, frequent updates (and didn't disappear from the game after two weeks), guild wars beyond, etc. The game was also difficult enough to keep you playing for years. I still haven't done everything in the original Guild Wars despite being 50/50 in the Halls of Heroes.
Now, I love, love, love the Guild Wars name. What is has, what it stood for in the past. In fact, what I'm about to write is directed towards Guild Wars 2 after launch and ending just before Season 2 of the living world (which transitioned into an expansion announcement, which was neat). I view the base Guild Wars 2 game as a valuable purchase. Great game. Worth the money. But it has always been one of the worst MMOs for me due to some of the above. Due to getting near 100% map completion the first month, doing most of the lackluster stories, spending two minutes to get the best gear at the time. Then just sitting in town or then doing daily quests for laurels when they came out. Missing out on most of the crappy and buggy living world story stuff (season 1) due to limited time and not caring. What's that? Infusion? Okay... Welcome back Guild Wars 1 infusion that was only used for as a plot device (hope we see Seers in Heart of Thorns). Oh look, this latest living world has cash shop items that promote it. No real updates. Zero effort on part of the devs when considering what they used to be capable of (again, turning the tides a bit with Season 2 and it's connection with an actual expansion, I'm not bashing on that transition). Heck, what any other online game is capable of. When a patch is made, it's then obvious that they're so out of touch with the masses that play the game it's ridiculous. Granted, though, that's what I'm hoping a new trend of expansions will solve, and thereby applaud and look to Arenanet with cautious hope. It's like they're moving in the right direction once more, but will need quite a bit more coal to regain ground.
That said, I'm willing to forgive much of what I disliked about Guild Wars 2 as a whole. Many of my views are bias based on what I know the team can do from past experiences, and very much expecting a lot from them. They say that the ultimate fanboy is the one that always pushes for something or someone to do better and applaud them when they live up to such without doubt. I applaud them finally embracing their roots and releasing an expansion. I will be harsh on it -- as no game will ever improve if you don't offer criticism -- and hopefully they'll take lessons they learned (not necessarily from anyone, but realizations they have backed by feedback) and make the game even better. There is nothing more damning to a game than white knights who defend it for no reason; they are worse than trolls as a game can always be improved, and they are causing potential stagnation, hurting their game for defending it without thought. With that, I say in relation to this thread... that three years for a promised feature is unacceptable. I know you can do better, Arenanet. Hopefully this expansion will bring the memories and feelings of why I feel in love with you in the first place back to the forefront.
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Kudos on the livestream and stage performance at PAX. While the beginning was boring for me, it picked up quickly and caught my interest by the end.
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Really? Guild Halls was something that was supposed to be released with the original Guild Wars 2 release and they promised they'd give it to us "down the road" (apparently three years later counts as "down the road"). It was heavily implied that it wouldn't be locked away behind a pay wall since the devs kept screaming that there would be no expansion (even though many of us continued to beg for an expansion anyways).
Not an extremely classy move in my opinion.
Where did they EVER SAY GH would be in game? They said they would like them but with the way the original server system was, there was no way it was possible.
Another poster who can't read - maybe and would try = it will be in game at the beginning.
Remember Guild Wars is NAMED FOR THE HISTORY THAT A.Net developed for the GW Universe. Have GvG and GH in GW1 was just happenstance. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore
"We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls."
gw2 threads are always so fun
Thank you so much. I could have sworn that they said that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Excuse me while I go edit my original comment again. I was actually correct. So there you go Guild Wars 2 crusaders.
A forum moderator probably asked someone pushing a broom next to him how he should answer the question. This is hardly an official answer. haha. Oh my word you guys have to be kidding.
This was an answer from an ArenaNet representative. I think it's funny when someone finds the proof you people ask for and you still find a way to discredit it. GW2 crusaders aren't coming off as desperate at all.
Here's the entire quote: "He mentioned that there will be no Guild Halls on release as we want to make Guild Halls a great experience and not just a "place". We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls. "
Notice how he said sometime after launch. It's now sometime after launch. Notice he never said "for free" or will be a part of the original game. That was your expectation based on what you read into it. Maybe it's realistic or maybe not, but it doesn't really matter does it? Because you've been raging and ranting about the game since a month after launch. At some point when you complain about everything a developer does then the complaint loses any impact.
What exactly do you hope to accomplish with these rants? People who don't like the game aren't going to play it anyway. People who do like the game aren't going to be swayed because your personal expectations aren't met once again. If you hate the game so much why even post about it?
"Sometime after launch," doesn't mean three years after launch in an expansion. As this was said in beta it suggests after the game goes live and actually launches.
"Sometime after launch," doesn't mean three years after launch in an expansion. As this was said in beta it suggests after the game goes live and actually launches.
OMG a game developer plans changed!!!
Call the police and close the game.
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Really? Guild Halls was something that was supposed to be released with the original Guild Wars 2 release and they promised they'd give it to us "down the road" (apparently three years later counts as "down the road"). It was heavily implied that it wouldn't be locked away behind a pay wall since the devs kept screaming that there would be no expansion (even though many of us continued to beg for an expansion anyways).
Not an extremely classy move in my opinion.
Where did they EVER SAY GH would be in game? They said they would like them but with the way the original server system was, there was no way it was possible.
Another poster who can't read - maybe and would try = it will be in game at the beginning.
Remember Guild Wars is NAMED FOR THE HISTORY THAT A.Net developed for the GW Universe. Have GvG and GH in GW1 was just happenstance. http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Lore
"We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls."
gw2 threads are always so fun
Thank you so much. I could have sworn that they said that, but I couldn't find it anywhere. Excuse me while I go edit my original comment again. I was actually correct. So there you go Guild Wars 2 crusaders.
A forum moderator probably asked someone pushing a broom next to him how he should answer the question. This is hardly an official answer. haha. Oh my word you guys have to be kidding.
This was an answer from an ArenaNet representative. I think it's funny when someone finds the proof you people ask for and you still find a way to discredit it. GW2 crusaders aren't coming off as desperate at all.
Here's the entire quote: "He mentioned that there will be no Guild Halls on release as we want to make Guild Halls a great experience and not just a "place". We will introduce player housing at some point after launch, and at that time we will also implement guild halls. "
Notice how he said sometime after launch. It's now sometime after launch. Notice he never said "for free" or will be a part of the original game. That was your expectation based on what you read into it. Maybe it's realistic or maybe not, but it doesn't really matter does it? Because you've been raging and ranting about the game since a month after launch. At some point when you complain about everything a developer does then the complaint loses any impact.
What exactly do you hope to accomplish with these rants? People who don't like the game aren't going to play it anyway. People who do like the game aren't going to be swayed because your personal expectations aren't met once again. If you hate the game so much why even post about it?
"Sometime after launch," doesn't mean three years after launch in an expansion. As this was said in beta it suggests after the game goes live and actually launches.
And yet GW2 became the most commercially successful MMO since WoW's launch while you have been wasting three years of your life complaining because of a game that you obviously dislike.
Just go on with your life, you are wasting a bing junk of it doing nothing but discussing a lost case.
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Martin Kerstein is Head of community and content marketing. He was speaking on Eric Flannum, GW2's Lead designer's comments.
AND Neura found it. Post is at the top of page 3. NOT ME lol
This reminds me of the good old days when TSW fans used to spam GW2 forums with hating threads.
This was an answer from an ArenaNet representative. I think it's funny when someone finds the proof you people ask for and you still find a way to discredit it. GW2 crusaders aren't coming off as desperate at all.
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Ok you are right. I'm not going to buy the expansion. You are a winner!
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For example WvW new borderland.
Are they going to lock players out of WvW if they don't have HoT? Or just when the map is in rotation? Or will they keep 2 WvW?
Everyone expected expansions before and at release.
Then when living world was announced it was said it was impossible to release content every month.
They started releasing content every 2 weeks so now some pretend content that took a minimum of 1-2 hours, per patch to complete and more if you went for achievements is not content because it is not permanent.
Then it is permanent but it is not an expansion because they have no money to do an expansion (although they keep 300+ staff).
Maybe they do something but it will never be a retail expansion.
It is a retail expansion... Hmm must be really small and how safe they charge for content?
Must be a tough life to be a gw2 hater.
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I think you all are missing my point. It does not matter what the expansions is called they are all content and GW1 (April 28, 2005) made a lot more content in its 1st 3 years for the us players then GW2(August 28 2012) has in the same amount of time. I'm still waiting for all the new content. If you are not sure go Look it up you will see a giant difference in the 2 games.
I like how you totally fail to mention the terrible quality of S1 where they did updates every two weeks, and how they also had bugs in almost every release of LS updates in S1. Having updates every two week isn't viable, unless you enjoy crappy content.
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Your context is what matters and that quote does not justify it, you're entire point was about paying for it, which they never said you wouldn't have to.
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I´m going to cite my ol granny... The translation will have to be a bit rough but in essence it goes like this...
"Faith is something you put in the church (tror gör man i kyrkan)... "
The everyday meaning being that you should not act on faith nor be surprised when reality does not match said expectations. The long and the short of it is that things change and i am not going to say that you should not whip up a storm about it... That is after all how change comes about. But don´t act like a scorned lover over something that was said 3 years ago... Things have changed since, especially in the economy.
Anet of course have two main goals right now. A: Keep the doors open, and B: Keep the game running and growing. Everything else is secondary... including(especially) vague allusions made several years ago. That is just the reality of it. After all... can anyone here stand up and HONESTLY say they never went back on their word or had to change planes they made...
Congratualtion... If you are standing up now you are a... well you know.
So be glad that this revelation came now and in such a mundane and unimportant matter... I would hate so see anyone coming to the understanding that things change in regards to something really important...
This have been a good conversation
So they're supposed to be bent out of shape over a vague forum post, that didn't actually promise anything but pretty much say "We're hoping to make housing and guild housing in the future! Yay optimism!"
Nah, I'm not even upset about WotLK not having dance studio and it's on the fucking box!
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They have given us a lot of free content...as any other f2p mmo (Yes,thats MY thoughts)
It was never said or confirmed that core game features (like Guild Halls) would be exclusive to owners of the expansion. It could easily be an update to the core game that is lumped into the expansion patch. There is a bit of doubt here, as it was described as a guild hall "grown in the heart of the Maguuma Jungle," but there is still hope on that one given the nature of it.
For a more obvious, guaranteed example of this, take note of their major WvW overhaul. That's a significant part of the update that was announced alongside the expansion on the expansion page on their website. Does this imply that only players who own the expansion will be able to enjoy the new and improved WvW where "holding objectives" is more important? Absolutely not. That would be ridiculous. It's going to be an update to the core game that all players will be able to benefit from.
Uh....why would they be advertised as part of the expansion....if they aren't actually part of the expansion? They're all advertised on the expansion's main page.
https://heartofthorns.guildwars2.com/en
Guild Halls are even explicitly stated as being located in the Maguuma Jungle (the region which this new expansion will unlock). Judging purely from the evidence presented so far, there is no reason to conclude that guild halls, or anything else listed on that page, will be given away for free with no obligation to purchase the expansion.
I'd love to be proven wrong because it would soothe some of my own anger towards the devs, but I'm not holding my breath. Better brace yourselves for the very real possibility that everything on that page will be trapped behind the expansion paywall.
Ooh, come on! Really? ARe you going to go there? Insult a game which delivers an INSANE value for money for not delivering one feature? Priorities changes. Deal with it. Are you saying that if you are still playing GW2 at the time that Guild Halls are introduced, you are not paying for the expansion anyway? If you are not playing GW2, then this thread is redundant.
Ultimately we paid like $40-60 for this game yet got more value out of it than any other game can give you (if you like GW2 taht is).
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Functionality.
For WvW for example.
No way they going to keep 2 WvW versions running, one for vanilla owners and other for xpac owners. They also won't lock out people without the xpac from WvW.
Also in GW1 each campaign had guild halls with their own style but all the guild halls were classified as core.
Now I don't know how they going to implement this but it would seem weird that "hey guys let meet in the guild hall" "erm I can't get there cause I don't have the xpac".
It is true that they say "work with your guild mates as you grow your own guild hall in the heart of maguuma".
So, we shall see.
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Every release of content has bugs.
I saved myself the frustration and started playing the content 2-3 days in after all/most of the bugs were fixed.
So I got many hours of play out of patches for free.
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I have played GW2 on and off since launch for thousands of hours. It cost me $60 for the game, about $10 for character slot expansions, and I also bought it for a friend on sale for $20. Altogether that is quite a bit less than the box price I paid for ESO which I also had to pay a sub for.
I have also seen more and better free content and development in GW2 since launch than I have seen in many sub based games, the game itself was incredibly polished from the get go (unlike ESO for example). The devs are in the forums actively speaking to the player base, we have had forum based "collaborative development" sessions which have resulted in real changes based on common ground between the devs vision and community desires.
ANET has earned my trust and "fandom". Even if they had "promised" to implement something in the original GW2, but ended up holding it back for an expansion I would feel no problem with paying for that feature. Its not like they are asking me to fork out $15/month or pumping out dlc that I have to buy every few months. What has it been three years already? How could any sane person possibly complain about having to pay for an expansion after three years of getting free updates, development, and content to an already quite amazing game on the vaguest of hints that a feature planned for GW2 would be included in the expansion?
And so i agree... in general they added 3 types of content, first there was the seasonal content, after that there was the open world oriented content of Season 1, and then there was the instanced story based content of season 2.... In the end, we will see a mix of these 3 types added as free content...
Personally, i dont mind paying for a game, so far its been pretty cheap, and i am willing to pay a fullbox price if the expansion has half or more of the content of the original game...
Anyone complaining about this did not understand what the game had to offer compared to other MMO´s. Its been a top knotch experience whitouth limitations much cheaper then anything else so far. But then some people are never content with what they get, and now they are trying to blame Anet unjustly of being un fair..
Never was there a more fair developer then Arenanet
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I think it should have been obvious that if the feature was ever added like they promised (far before even the quoted link and to fans of the Original Guild Wars looking forward to the next installment... by the way, they also promised a third episode of Guild Wars Beyond in addition to a new expansion, which they kicked to the side for Guild Wars 2) that it would be put behind a pay wall after seeing what the game became after launch. Horrible quality living world content (season one) to sell items related to such in the cash shop. Announcements of no planned expansions and people citing some conflict between Arenanet and NCsoft. Even taking so long (and still not to the satisfaction to most) for PvP improvements, bug fixing, etc. It should have been apparent that if a promised feature was to ever make it, it would be in an expansion.
I'm actually okay with that.
The fact that we are finally getting an expansion fills me with some hope as to seeing the game return to it's roots in terms of lore and storytelling (the base story of GW2 was horrible with one minute missions and long talking screens with bad writing... nothing like the exceedingly dark world of Guild Wars 1 and it's hour plus long missions and in game cutscenes) especially since they are implementing the Revenant (Guild War 1's Ritualist) that can channel the mist and summon the powers of ancient heroes (said to be those of guild wars 1). The actual content makes me worry as we're only visiting the Maguuma Jungle -- something that was just quick filler in Prophecies to move you between Lion's Arch, the White Mantle / Undead and the Crystal Desert (which there are still no real desert areas in game save for a portion of PvP). The return of Glint is also hopeful (or at least mention of her).
I'll just have to see how big it is map wise to see if there's hope that we'll see Cantha and Elona one day. Though the Crystal Desert is also still mission and was -- like Maguuma -- part of the base game of GW1 as is.
What I don't like is no mention of Personal Housing despite the talk about your personal house back in beta, and how it got a lot of people interested (particularly RPers). It is another case where something wasn't added after promising it, and RPers -- and others who were looking forward to Houses and Guild Halls (since they themselves placed them together) were shafted on. Arenanet just became another "we'll tell you anything to sell our product" company to me after a couple years of waiting (which many view them as already with their manifesto for whatever reasons). Though it happens with most companies -- promise something and then change direction when they face reality. Speak of something when it's not in the game and ready just to hype people up. It was the norm back then.
The real issue (for me) is taking three years to implement one half of a promise. Potentially only getting one map with three layers in an expansion. Not touching on Elona or Cantha or even adding the Crystal Desert along with the Jungle so that it has at least half of the landmass content that many of us expect an expansion to have (again presuming it's just the Maguuma Jungle after three years of waiting).
I hope the expansion sells well so that they will be inclined to make more, learning from this one and improving on it further for the next. More than happy to spend money on expansions and not have "living world" content attached to new items in the cash shop. Would be fine if it didn't detract from actually making the game better instead of just a few tasks to do and deter actually working on real and substantial content. Heck, I own three accounts on Guild Wars. They all have every expansion bought. Two of them have every cash shop item bought. The items didn't detract from making actual content for the game, as we got six month expansions, frequent updates (and didn't disappear from the game after two weeks), guild wars beyond, etc. The game was also difficult enough to keep you playing for years. I still haven't done everything in the original Guild Wars despite being 50/50 in the Halls of Heroes.
Now, I love, love, love the Guild Wars name. What is has, what it stood for in the past. In fact, what I'm about to write is directed towards Guild Wars 2 after launch and ending just before Season 2 of the living world (which transitioned into an expansion announcement, which was neat). I view the base Guild Wars 2 game as a valuable purchase. Great game. Worth the money. But it has always been one of the worst MMOs for me due to some of the above. Due to getting near 100% map completion the first month, doing most of the lackluster stories, spending two minutes to get the best gear at the time. Then just sitting in town or then doing daily quests for laurels when they came out. Missing out on most of the crappy and buggy living world story stuff (season 1) due to limited time and not caring. What's that? Infusion? Okay... Welcome back Guild Wars 1 infusion that was only used for as a plot device (hope we see Seers in Heart of Thorns). Oh look, this latest living world has cash shop items that promote it. No real updates. Zero effort on part of the devs when considering what they used to be capable of (again, turning the tides a bit with Season 2 and it's connection with an actual expansion, I'm not bashing on that transition). Heck, what any other online game is capable of. When a patch is made, it's then obvious that they're so out of touch with the masses that play the game it's ridiculous. Granted, though, that's what I'm hoping a new trend of expansions will solve, and thereby applaud and look to Arenanet with cautious hope. It's like they're moving in the right direction once more, but will need quite a bit more coal to regain ground.
That said, I'm willing to forgive much of what I disliked about Guild Wars 2 as a whole. Many of my views are bias based on what I know the team can do from past experiences, and very much expecting a lot from them. They say that the ultimate fanboy is the one that always pushes for something or someone to do better and applaud them when they live up to such without doubt. I applaud them finally embracing their roots and releasing an expansion. I will be harsh on it -- as no game will ever improve if you don't offer criticism -- and hopefully they'll take lessons they learned (not necessarily from anyone, but realizations they have backed by feedback) and make the game even better. There is nothing more damning to a game than white knights who defend it for no reason; they are worse than trolls as a game can always be improved, and they are causing potential stagnation, hurting their game for defending it without thought. With that, I say in relation to this thread... that three years for a promised feature is unacceptable. I know you can do better, Arenanet. Hopefully this expansion will bring the memories and feelings of why I feel in love with you in the first place back to the forefront.
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Kudos on the livestream and stage performance at PAX. While the beginning was boring for me, it picked up quickly and caught my interest by the end.
"Sometime after launch," doesn't mean three years after launch in an expansion. As this was said in beta it suggests after the game goes live and actually launches.
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OMG a game developer plans changed!!!
Call the police and close the game.
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And yet GW2 became the most commercially successful MMO since WoW's launch while you have been wasting three years of your life complaining because of a game that you obviously dislike.
Just go on with your life, you are wasting a bing junk of it doing nothing but discussing a lost case.
OP is is apparent you hate guild wars 2 move on.
With that said, you should totally sue them for puffery.