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CIG officialy states: AC is already the best space sim ever
jcrg99
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I am not trying to flame anyone, but I am sincerely willing to know the opinion of the MMORPG community about some of the recent Cloud Imperium statements shared through an animation that opened the most recent Around the Verse show, shared with the entire world through their official website and youtube.
The animation is here:
https://youtu.be/SigVdMd66UU
The message was pretty simple and clear, even that stated by cartoon methods.
CIG claimed that console gamers are primitive human beigns, that Wing Commander was the best Space Sim ever (ignoring all others of its time and relased later) and following simple logic of their statememts, both Wing Commander and any other Space Sim, was suplanted already by their Arena Commander module in its current status.
I think that they were too harsh with games like Elite: Dangerous, EvE, X series, X-Wing, space sim in general, even with the own Chris Roberts legacy, Wing Commander, when stating through that animation that Arena Commander is already "the best space sim ever".
The worst part is that their community shared through their feedback about the show in their forums, that the animation "was the best of the show", "glorious" and other similar feedbacks:
https://forums.robertsspaceindustries.com/discussion/257021/feedback-around-the-verse-episode-42
Curious enough, those fans and even Roberts got used to justify all the problems or lack of advance of that module, or the lack of participation of their own public playing that module, because "it's alpha", but now, contradicting all that, we see this animation stating that they already consider Arena Commander "the best space sim ever" now!
Besides, I think that is far from normal or acceptable what they said about console fans, stating that they are like "primitive human beings".
One thing is to try to hype people, to motivate more ship sales, since they are currently selling ships in a limited form by absolutely expensive prices... but other thing is to try to bad mouth others to make it appear better. Probably are hurting themselves with that attittude. Getting money from a few, but ignoring how their message can sound to all the rest. Closing doors in the medium/long term in my point of view.
Hate or not EA, publishers and other companies, we don't see they bad mouthing PC Gamers through their interviews/shows, or even bad mouthing crowd-funding parties like the made by CIG, while they keep bad mouthing publishers as "greedy".
I think that their attitude was truly pathetic and offensive to the game industry as a whole, to games like Elite Dangerous, to the own legacy Wing Commander and even worst, the high level of offensive attack to the console fans, that deserves much more respect, just because prefer consoles, of been called "primitive".
I think that they do not see any limit anymore to motivate ship sales/cash grabbing (to the point of ridicularizing the own legacy of Roberts: Wing Commander), because I think that they are doing that when stating that AC is the best space sim ever.
I would like to know the opinion of the other usual MMORPG posters about that.
It's a serious mistake. For much less people get fired in any half-serious company.
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In all of this never once Arena Commander is mentioned ... it always speaks about the whole Star Citizen game. So the title of your thread is wrong.
The cartoon is very tongue in cheek .... a little self advertising w.r.t. to Wing Commander IMHO is ok. Yes, they COULD name a lot of other space games. But this is in essentia an advertising cartoon ... and one usually does not mention the competition in ads, unless you are Coke and Pepsi.
>>> CIG claimed that console gamers are primitive human beigns >>> Nope, they do not. Its even worse ;-) They call humanity a primitive species that still believes that console games are a neat idea. I wholeheartily agree.
The rest is a funny poke with a pointed stick at big publishers and their recent big blunders in the gaming industry - of which there are many. And praise for the PC game and its possibilities. Star Citizen is called the best space sim ever IN THE STAR CITIZEN UNIVERSE, played by such alien races as the Banu or the Vanduul (Gaming League ;-).
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I think the view is pulled out of context. I have been following Star Citizen for about 2 years now and in majority of their vlogs, they actually cite other games specifically as sources of inspiration. Overall, the team seems very supportive of other projects.
I remember them saying they often play around on Xbox and how Ryse specifically is good source of inspiration for their animations team. They directly endorsed Shroud of the Avatar and seem to support that project quite a bit. Don't quote me on this, but I think they even mentioned Elite Dangerous when it launched - which is their closest competitor.
I can't speak for the team, but to me it seems they appreciate other games and learn from them. In a sense they strive to outperform them, which is fair enough when you are developing a game. I doubt they meant to bash on other games though, everything I've seen up to this point would suggest otherwise.
So you feel that SC will measure up to Wing Commander, a game that launched in the 90s and really petered out towards the end.
Maybe SC will have live actors and Mark Hamill.
FreeLancer, also an old game, shouldn't be hard to live up to.
I do believe you are viewing games of the past thru rose colored glasses and by extension SC.
There is an awful lot of promises being made by the devs and that always makes me worried that the game will be a shadow of what they said it would be.
OP, if reading "The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy" is not up your alley then watch the start of the movie and you will understand that this is a non-issue.
I've read the Hitchiher's Guide to the Galaxy and I think that video is offensive and bad taste.
Same thing really but I know you fanboys will deny that.
Disgusts me that these guys insult a large gamer base and still the fans will jump in and insult them as well to make the company look better.
It has nothing to do with Star Citizen or CIG.
I think console games are a bad idea. The "new" console generation is basically a middle class PC special made for gaming, obsolete the day it came out. PC tech has already moved on (before the first "new" consoles were even sold) and allows much more than the current console generation, let alone the widespread previous console generation. Who is content to play with an inferior product for the next 7 years ? Like they did with the old console generation.
Sure - its much easier for the gaming studios to code for a console with fixed configuration. Testing the many combinations of modern PC's is a PITB. However, despite extremely well known console tech the publishers with their tight schedules that leave little time for proper QA have given us more and more buggy games in the last years.
The rapidly moving PC tech curve has made innovation possible, in both grafics and AI (or do you believe that the intentionally "stupid" console NPC AI is "normal" ?). Consoles cause stagnation ... the last console generation was a very good example for that.
Just because a big part of the gamer base has become used to mediocrity and come to accept it should not stop another part of the gamer base to remind them of what REALLY is possible with modern technology.
Have fun
As said before ... my opinion and comments on the current console generation are completely independent from the topic of Star Citizen, which is a PC game.
That modern consoles are outdated tech is an opinion shared by the experts in the industry e.g.
>>> PlayStation 4 will likely lag behind cutting-edge gaming PCs from the very first day it hits the streets.
That's not exactly a surprise. "If you predict how hardware evolves at the current speed of evolution, and then take consumer pricing evolution, already two years ago you could see [that] whatever [console] launches in 2013 or 2014 or 2015 will never beat a PC again," Crytek head Cevat Yerli recently told Eurogamer. >>>
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2029138/playstation-4-vs-pc-graphics-can-sony-even-compete-.html
Console tech IS mediocre compared to modern PC tech. That is a verifiable fact.
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Consoles have always been behind PCs in terms of perfomance.
A console gamer isn't looking for the newest tech but simple gaming fun.
But somehow this dubios company and its fans see that as something loathful so they will randomly insult those gamers.
You believe new PC games are always build on the newest technical standard?
You believe that SC will have such high specs that only a brand new PC can handle it and that this will make the game automatically more fun?
You are in no position to insult players who aren't looking for the same things as you.
Consoles create a plateau for game developers. This plateau lasts for around 8 years. And some PC games are dragged down to this plateau level.
part of advancement is the inherent reward and when reaching limits of current tech trying to break them with new tech/programming. Consoles slow down the need for advancement in PC technology by creating plateaus and limits development to mostly programming.
in their statement, I am reading is as that they will use the most of current tech, and that consoles will not be part of their market as in compromises are being made. This could also mean the min specs for SC is that better of the current gen console which is bad tech anyways.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
Console TECH is mediocre. GAMES are as good as the game developers can make them, independent of tech level or platform. E.g. FTL "Faster than Light" is a good recent space game that could have run on my old C64.
But if you want to REALLY push the boundaries out of what you can do with good game design and modern technology, then PC is the way to go.
Which is why CIG has chosen Star Citizen to NOT be compatible with consoles and be a PC game only. I very much hope that SC will be one of the games pushing the boundaries as mentioned above. Especially also by using Oculus Rift (or similar) tech. E.g. Elite Dangerous already shows what a great new experience VR googles can be above and beyond current gamer expectations.
And coming back to the topic of the thread .... that is why its ok for me personally when CIG is having a bit of fun in cartoon format, borrowing from the "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" and poking big publishers and consoles with a pointed stick Monthy Python style.
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The reason why this is failed comedy is that Chris Roberts has a PC master race attitude, he has constantly spoken how PC gaming is technologically superior to consoles and the way its presented in cartoon form isn't a form of comedy, its just being an asshole.
If you want to make fun of console gaming you start by making fun of the cinematic feeling of 30fps and 900p. Now that is comedy gold.
As someone who has put a few thousand hours into that series... It's also one of the buggiest, and least optimized game series to ever be made.
Also... X-rebirth, winner of the worst game of 2014 award. (It was rated lower than a korean cash shop mobile game.)
To find an intelligent person in a PUG is not that rare, but to find a PUG made up of "all" intelligent people is one of the rarest phenomenons in the known universe.
Well, that's funny. I must have been imagining the great space sim MMORPG I've been playing the past 11 years.
There are plenty of reasons to find CIG distasteful, but this cartoon isn't one of them. They really are just trying to make a good space sim game, and happened to break a world crowdfunding record in the process; a little hubris would be natural. The tone of the cartoon is also very tongue-in-cheek, leading in to a lengthy video log. jcrg99, you've already made your stance on this project abundantly clear, and the title of this thread is clickbait.
If you really wanted this project to fall flat, the most effective thing to do would be to just forget about it. There are already enough threads around the net with this particular flavor.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
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For someone that talks negatively about consoles he sure loves playing his game with a controller that originated on consoles
Some of the best games ever created were on consoles.
Just because all the latest tech comes out first on PC, that doesn't mean that console games can't be innovative or worth mentioning in the one most important factor that matters when you talk about games. Fun.
I don't own a console but I can appreciate the worth of console games just like I appreciate PC games.
This whole "we're going to save PC gaming" is just one of the numerous CIG gimmicks.
..Cake..
I'm a firm believer of the saying "If you have to talk something down to talk yourself up, then you have a problem." and this is hardly the first occurance of CIG dissing and being the braggart. When it comes down to it - talk is cheap, let's see the final product and then we, the customers will decide if he'd be better off trying his hand at making films again.
There's iteration coming out of the CIG camp but I see very little innovation or originality so it's seems rather hypocritical to diss a lack of innovation elsewhere.
IMHO
Wow this is a harsh Commercial, but with a community where you get told: "Let's talk when you invested more than 1000$" this perfectly fits in.
Anyway, if CR does not want to put a dime in Marketing (SC worshipper always state this), where do these commercials came from?
Roberts Space Industries Constellation Commercial
And there are many more SC commercials.
And for the Space Sim thing, SC is not simulating a space game with ignoring half of the physics they are simulating a guy who walks in a space game at best. (Playing whack a mole if the player is controlling his ship with k/m)
And to the guys who are saying "Hey it's an alpha" - No AC(SC) is NOT an alpha you have access to a modular Beta, they just call it Alpha - in an Alpha you would see things like programmers art, missing textures, placeholders ...etc
On top of this they are selling pledge packages with superior ship as bonus (no CIG is not selling ships or concept art) for 100s of $$$ just to nerv the Ships afterwards.
my 2 dime.
/rant over
When you have cake, it is not the cake that creates the most magnificent of experiences, but it is the emotions attached to it.
The cake is a lie.
Alpha is more of a phase in time (and alpha indicates there is still a beta stage) than anything specific. Beta is more about testing and fine tuning, and you can have an alpha that is close to beta testing phase which might help to understand SC or maybe their alpha phase is just more polished than others (which again means alpha is not defined as anythign specific as with 'missing textures).
If they are calling it alpha its a better indication they are going to add more content to the game. i would rather they call it alpha than call it beta and then push it out the door to soon. Not that calling it beta, alpha or even ready means anything these days, and really only and actual beta tester can verify for themselves and even then its dependant on their expecations on how large the game should be to be 'finished' for release.
As for the ship buying, its an added feauture for those that want it, and makes SC a reality for at least that want to play the single player version. So from a single player version is makes SC a reality,
and cant really comment about the MMO part, but I guess joining a guild becomes more important in that regard as it usually is with space sims anyways... except the idea of everyone having the same head start seems different (edit; i think they also plan on adding personal coop servers which kind of allows for people to avoid this issue of mmos and 'head starts')... which again could be not that bad of a situation if all this support and 'beta testing' of SC brings a polished game as if it were released for a few months or longer when actually released compared to a lot of games that are released as beta testers. Maybe I am being overly optimistic, but so far im not seeing it as extremely negative scenario, but maybe reality will tell of somehting different.
Write bad things that are done to you in sand, but write the good things that happen to you on a piece of marble
When talking about consoles, mediocre is being generous. A year or two after a new console is released, you can beat it's specs with a low end PC & video card.
And don't think for a second I'm supporting Star Citizen; not my genre. Console games and their limitations are just that bad.
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