You really think I dont understand all the reasons SWG was bad? You have any idea how many quenkers I killed trying to grind out every class in the game to unlock my jedi? You have any idea how many more quenkers I killed trying to grind out exp to transfer to jedi exp at that stupid village because they changed the system a few weeks before id have been a jedi? For those that dont know you run to a mission terminal and accept two missions and then you run and kill the spawns and repeat for days, and that was grinding in that game. I loved every second of it, because i didnt know which class combination would unlock jedi for me, and that made the grind matter, because it was starwars and SWG made you feel like you were in the world, because for no reason at all a few storm troopers would pop out of the sky in a shuttle and help me kill something, salute me and go about their day, or some random sith for no reason would blast me off my speeder bike and pwn my face... Then when I got bored id put on my Imperial robes (gift for a quest line that ended with me giving Darth Vader a hug, not scripted but he was standing their, how could i not hug him) and once dressed as the beacon of imperial light that I was id go recruit new players for the dark side, get them gear, teach them the game, build them a house, and tell them to go kill rebel scum as payment, after all the emperor only wants your love, its only natural that you protect those you love from those who are so vile as to wish to harm your loved ones... For all the games fault, and SOE did its best to kill that game, but with all its faults for a few months or a year it was freaking amazing. I cant figure out a way to express how much that game sucked and how frustrating it was waiting for 5 mins for a shuttle, but I wouldnt change a thing about it and all those little things made the game so freaking good you cant understand. At the same time I understand why you want an AH and LFG tool, why you would hate to spend your whole weekend searching every other vendor on every other planet untill you found the games best crafter to get to make you some stuff almost no one else would ever get. I get hating a death penalty or corpse run. They make mmorpgs for you now though. It is not because we are dumb that we want a game with features not every one would want. It is because we want something different and we want it built with current tech and graphics and crap...
It is silly to think that games like WoW dont have a place, it would be equally silly to not appreciate all the ways video games are better as a result of them taking from rpg games and mmorpgs and games like WoW. It is equally dumb to think people who want "old school" games are just bitter and jaded. Those "old school games" had something new games dont, something good, they also lacked the convenience and accessibility of new games, but you really dont understand why we wouldnt want that again? Maybe I am an MMO Snob, or a silly elitest, but a game company that makes a game targeted at just the few million of us will make a bunch of money via our monthly subs. Games get better as we build more and embrace the past the present and the future... Im happy gta has rpg aspects and fps games do rts things, I enjoy moba games, and a solo play through some theme park mmorpgs, but I and many other people want a game we can live in again and everyone should understand why some one else might want something different then them...
to one ' old school ' player to another - the trick is to ignore the crap that blizzard spews out and the games that try to clone and look at the modern AAA titles with fresh eyes. Gw2, ESO and to a lesser degree TSW all offer gameplay,, gfx, music, lore that is much better than those old games we played. I remember playing those old titles, I remember the bugs, endless 'collect and gather' quests, the dated gfx (great at the time) etc.
the real issue at hand is people are bored of a genre and are blaming the genre rather than their own evolved tastes. It's no different to the person who swears old music is better than new music etc.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Exploration in todays mmorpgs, well in the start of in SWG your jedi was locked behind a few classes, those classes were different for every character ever made, and you had no way to know... Sure an online guide could tell you some stuff but lots of it was you guessing and doing stuff. Also some of the events that happened were random... Imagine then for the brief time your jedi could be perma killed. In Sword art online (anime) the main character has dual wield, he is the only character in the game that has it and no one knows how he got it or whatever, point is that you could create things in the world that only some people would ever be able to experience and only ever that one time. I know lots of people would be sad because it didnt happen to them, but that is life lol just like the real world, and those people in life and in the game would prolly be happier if they were busy enjoying their own experience. Basically put they need to make it so each of our experience is different, and that means accepting some people wont want to play the game. Make it about making enough money and not all the money and it will work....
I remember in the first few weeks of SWG, we needed to gather people from many planets to come kill a random creature that strolled into town and started killing things, lol it was awesome and you had to be their for it or you missed it.
Originally posted by Bladestrom to one ' old school ' player to another - the trick is to ignore the crap that blizzard spews out and the games that try to clone and look at the modern AAA titles with fresh eyes. Gw2, ESO and to a lesser degree TSW all offer gameplay,, gfx, music, lore that is much better than those old games we played. I remember playing those old titles, I remember the bugs, endless 'collect and gather' quests, the dated gfx (great at the time) etc.
the real issue at hand is people are bored of a genre and are blaming the genre rather than their own evolved tastes. It's no different to the person who swears old music is better than new music etc.
^Like...for the most part
One of these days...we will get another big MMO that gets it. But I know there's a HUGE area of opinion on what "gets it" means
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
That mass of words was about the idea that old school or new school people are wrong for wanting what they want lol people on both sides need to stop the hate and embrace the love lol That being said I hate most of what new players love, but its okay they love it...
That mass of words was about the idea that old school or new school people are wrong for wanting what they want lol people on both sides need to stop the hate and embrace the love lol That being said I hate most of what new players love, but its okay they love it...
Originally posted by Dullahan
Originally posted by Gestankfaust
Originally posted by jaxome
What the hell is that mass of words about?
Looks to me that it was about how things that people now dub "inconvenient" created an environment that felt much more like a virtual world.
It's awesome we have translators here....I'd be dead in the water otherwise :P
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
You want old school niche with a main stream budget. You want console quality worlds and quests but oh no its so dumbed down now. You have a laundry list of mandatory features yet your favorite mmorpg was mostly broken during its prime. You don't play any mmos and hate everything out there yet you insist you love the genre. You want the genre to change because you can't deal with your own personal changes over the years. You post the same topics over and over to create some sense of "we" all feel like this. You have officially run out of new things to complain about.
Originally posted by aliven Oh, look diary, another thread about how new mmos are bad. And how glorified old schoolers think they are right So funny...
Oh look diary, another poster about how new mmos are perfect, and how glorified chat rooms mmorpg players think they are right:) So funny.
Everquest 1 is still running with legacy servers and so on. So why people dont play it? :P
People do play them. In fact, DGC had to release another server (Lockjaw) after the one they recently released (Ragefire) was too full. That doesn't include those playing on P1999. What is more you need an All Access pass (15.00/month) to get into the DGC progression servers. I'm not arguing that the old school style is the majority but it certainly has a healthy population overall.
But you ask why we get laughed at, then say MMOs aren't MMOs and then hang all your hopes on a game in development before threatening to take your ball and go home. The answer to your question seems self evident.
Well said!
I find it strange that some older folk are so confused about this.
Reading most every post, I would say off the cuff that 80% don't get it.
Wait, let's try to think like, you know, mature adults.
So 80% "dont get it". Which means, 80% don't agree with your post. Couldn't it be that actually YOU and the 20% are wrong, and the 80% are actually right?
That's how democracy works.
Tha's not democracy, that 's how rule of mediocrity works.
You want old school niche with a main stream budget. You want console quality worlds and quests but oh no its so dumbed down now. You have a laundry list of mandatory features yet your favorite mmorpg was mostly broken during its prime. You don't play any mmos and hate everything out there yet you insist you love the genre. You want the genre to change because you can't deal with your own personal changes over the years. You post the same topics over and over to create some sense of "we" all feel like this. You have officially run out of new things to complain about.
Oh, us "bitter vets" are not too hard to understand. Let me help you out, sonny.
We want main stream budget games that are as fun to play as the eye-opening games like UO, EQ and WoW were at their time.
We want non-dumbed down games that are as fun to play as the eye-opening games like UO, EQ and WoW were at their time.
We want games with features that make them as fun to play as the eye-opening games like UO, EQ and WoW were at their time.
We hate most everything out there because they aren't as fun to play as the eye-opening games like UO, EQ and WoW were at their time.
We want the genre to produce games that are as fun to play as the eye-opening games like UO, EQ and WoW were at their time.
And while similar topics get posted sometimes by same or different people (that's the way the Internet works, son - it's like a bigger version of Instagram and Snapchat), we all share one thing in common: we're looking for a game that's as fun to play as the eye-opening games like UO, EQ and WoW were at their time.
And since you looped us all together anyway, using 'we' is okay.
And we've run out of new things to complain about because every new MMO that comes out seems to run out of new things to screw up that the last ones hadn't.
I hope this has given you some insight into how us old folks operate. Now I'm going to drink some damn prune juice, read my Facebook feed and wonder why your generation has done such stupid crap like making selfies a thing and Justin Bieber popular.
Amen!
What is it that a new generation of MMOs has brought us? At best you can say optimization and stability and nicer graphics, no real innovation has happened in the last 5 years. Old devs are tweaking what they have done before to make money, because really they dont care anymore. The new young devs are regurgitating and building games by metrics. Stale and boring
People create things for many reasons, one of them is to make money, and one of them is to create something. Making money is fine and every company should want to do it, but wanting to make money more then you want to have satisfied customers is dumb. Being a doctor cause you wanna saves lives and making money is awesome, being a doctor cause you want fat loot is dumb, just my two cents.
WoW might have been a game that got millions and millions of people playing, it might have launched mmorpgs into the mainstream, but it is foolish as a developer to think your just gonna make the next WoW. Even if you have an established franchise like with ESO, and a well known company backing it, we saw/see how it is working out for ESO. Also when WoW launched mmorpgs were not mainstream, it was the first game to cross the barrier and build the bridge, no other game is gonna be able to do that cause WoW already did it, further when WoW did it your options were WoW or WoW or WoW, compared to right now when every one is making the next big mmo in his basement.
Point to the rant is simple, game companies will make more money in the long run if they make a game for a specific sub group of our very diverse population. A game like WoW will never exist again in the sense that everyone loves it and will sub for a few years over time, and its time for game companies to embrace it. So many examples of games that have been running forever that many of us think are crap or would never play, ill never play EvE but it makes so much money for ccp and makes so many people happy. At some point after enough companies fail a few will figure it out, once that happens we will see big game companies move onto single player titles with for sure profit and smaller companies and maybe a few big ones will make games not trying to make everyone happy but rather make some people happy. It will make more money then trying and failing to be the next WoW.
What is it that a new generation of MMOs has brought us? At best you can say optimization and stability and nicer graphics, no real innovation has happened in the last 5 years. Old devs are tweaking what they have done before to make money, because really they dont care anymore. The new young devs are regurgitating and building games by metrics. Stale and boring
The only thing of note MMO's have ever brought us, is the ability to interact with more than a deathmatch's worth of players. In regard to innovation, they'll always be behind the curve in terms of game-play.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
What is it that a new generation of MMOs has brought us? At best you can say optimization and stability and nicer graphics, no real innovation has happened in the last 5 years. Old devs are tweaking what they have done before to make money, because really they dont care anymore. The new young devs are regurgitating and building games by metrics. Stale and boring
New MMOs have also made rpg concepts mainstream. As a result you see better features in single player games and games as a whole. MOBA prolly wouldnt exist absent new style MMO games having instanced pvp battle grounds and making money with them. New generation MMOs might have killed MMOs that old school people love, but its given birth to many new great things... I still want an old school MMO with new school shinny bits (graphics and such) but just cause we have been in the dark ages of mmorpgs doesnt mean we wont find the light, and it doesnt mean the future might not have even better games for all of us...
You want old school niche with a main stream budget. You want console quality worlds and quests but oh no its so dumbed down now. You have a laundry list of mandatory features yet your favorite mmorpg was mostly broken during its prime. You don't play any mmos and hate everything out there yet you insist you love the genre. You want the genre to change because you can't deal with your own personal changes over the years. You post the same topics over and over to create some sense of "we" all feel like this. You have officially run out of new things to complain about.
Personally my favorite one is that most of these old school MMOs bitter vets endlessly pine for the days of are still up and running yet they refuse to play them.
That's answered with the old "they changed the game on me" mantra to which I ask how can you want a living breathing world that doesn't evolve and change? MMORPGs are by nature ever evolving with patches, xpacs, community dynamics, and yet they want a static snapshot of a game at some specific point in history that never changes. On top of that no one can agree on exactly which snapshot they want.
And that's easily answered with "look at the changes that are added, not that the world changed".
I agree on your last sentence as no two players can agree on what constitutes a good "state of the game" let alone definitions for things such as sandbox.
But there is a palpable difference between adding to the game and evolving the game to down right changing the game rules and game premise so that the games don't even resemble what made them fun to begin with.
Of course the other issue is graphics. There are people who just can't accept older graphics and want their worlds to be updated to new and spiffy. I suspect that costs a lot of money and just wont' be done.
That then bleeds into the current indy games where some developer posts a shot and someone says "that's so 2004".
Of course, we then need to be careful to attribute that statement to the correct type of person as it's very possible that some "old school" players might not care. But I bet there are a few who do.
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The "old school" guys are no better than the "new school" guys. The only difference is you think you have more knowledge and your opinions are better because you classify yourself as "old school". When you get down to the meat of it you QQ just like the "new" players, you complain about everything just the the "new" players, you are never happy (Archage proved this and it's all Archage proved) just like the "new" players. "Old" school "new" school it will never change you guys will never stop QQing and never be happy.
For this statement both "new" and "old" school are referencing the ones in forums like this. Where do I fit in? I'm a gamer been gaming for 30 years but I don't label myself as anything I play video games to relax, if I don't enjoy a certain game I don't play it, not a chance I act like an idiot and pretend everyone feels the way I do and that an entire genre of video games SHOULD change because I may not like it.
There are 1000s of games out there if you can't find one you enjoy without QQing about it, maybe it's time you find a new hobby? Who knows maybe QQing on a forum is your new hobby.
The "old school" guys are no better than the "new school" guys. The only difference is you think you have more knowledge and your opinions are better because you classify yourself as "old school". When you get down to the meat of it you QQ just like the "new" players, you complain about everything just the the "new" players, you are never happy (Archage proved this and it's all Archage proved) just like the "new" players. "Old" school "new" school it will never change you guys will never stop QQing and never be happy.
For this statement both "new" and "old" school are referencing the ones in forums like this. Where do I fit in? I'm a gamer been gaming for 30 years but I don't label myself as anything I play video games to relax, if I don't enjoy a certain game I don't play it, not a chance I act like an idiot and pretend everyone feels the way I do and that an entire genre of video games SHOULD change because I may not like it.
There are 1000s of games out there if you can't find one you enjoy without QQing about it, maybe it's time you find a new hobby? Who knows maybe QQing on a forum is your new hobby.
The only thing ArcheAge proved, is how to destroy a decent game as fast as humanly possible.
By virtue of experience, old school players that have honestly played both the old and new, do have more knowledge. The vast majority of the players in this genre have never experienced an MMO that operates and feels like a virtual world rather than just a game. Most of them simply read a wikipedia entry, looked at some google images, or played the modernized version of old games and parade around here like they have a clue. They stick out like a sore thumb.
The "old school" guys are no better than the "new school" guys. The only difference is you think you have more knowledge and your opinions are better because you classify yourself as "old school". When you get down to the meat of it you QQ just like the "new" players, you complain about everything just the the "new" players, you are never happy (Archage proved this and it's all Archage proved) just like the "new" players. "Old" school "new" school it will never change you guys will never stop QQing and never be happy.
For this statement both "new" and "old" school are referencing the ones in forums like this. Where do I fit in? I'm a gamer been gaming for 30 years but I don't label myself as anything I play video games to relax, if I don't enjoy a certain game I don't play it, not a chance I act like an idiot and pretend everyone feels the way I do and that an entire genre of video games SHOULD change because I may not like it.
There are 1000s of games out there if you can't find one you enjoy without QQing about it, maybe it's time you find a new hobby? Who knows maybe QQing on a forum is your new hobby.
The only thing ArcheAge proved, is how to destroy a decent game as fast as humanly possible.
By virtue of experience, old school players that have honestly played both the old and new, do have more knowledge. The vast majority of the players in this genre have never experienced an MMO that operates and feels like a virtual world rather than just a game. Most of them simply read a wikipedia entry, looked at some google images, or played the modernized version of old games and parade around here like they have a clue. They stick out like a sore thumb.
Haha and big headed, high horse riding "old school" gamers who parade around like their crap dont stink, stick out like a sore thumb also.
"The vast majority" it's so cute how you guys think you know what everyone feels, thinks, experienced, wants, and knows. If you guys took your amazing ability and turned into something good in the real world, our world might be a much better place.
The "old school" guys are no better than the "new school" guys. The only difference is you think you have more knowledge and your opinions are better because you classify yourself as "old school". When you get down to the meat of it you QQ just like the "new" players, you complain about everything just the the "new" players, you are never happy (Archage proved this and it's all Archage proved) just like the "new" players. "Old" school "new" school it will never change you guys will never stop QQing and never be happy.
For this statement both "new" and "old" school are referencing the ones in forums like this. Where do I fit in? I'm a gamer been gaming for 30 years but I don't label myself as anything I play video games to relax, if I don't enjoy a certain game I don't play it, not a chance I act like an idiot and pretend everyone feels the way I do and that an entire genre of video games SHOULD change because I may not like it.
There are 1000s of games out there if you can't find one you enjoy without QQing about it, maybe it's time you find a new hobby? Who knows maybe QQing on a forum is your new hobby.
The only thing ArcheAge proved, is how to destroy a decent game as fast as humanly possible.
By virtue of experience, old school players that have honestly played both the old and new, do have more knowledge. The vast majority of the players in this genre have never experienced an MMO that operates and feels like a virtual world rather than just a game. Most of them simply read a wikipedia entry, looked at some google images, or played the modernized version of old games and parade around here like they have a clue. They stick out like a sore thumb.
Haha and big headed, high horse riding "old school" gamers who parade around like their crap dont stink, stick out like a sore thumb also.
"The vast majority" it's so cute how you guys think you know what everyone feels, thinks, experienced, wants, and knows. If you guys took your amazing ability and turned into something good in the real world, our world might be a much better place.
Hi Tessle, are you on 24/7 to be sure Old Schoolers don't gain any power ?
The "old school" guys are no better than the "new school" guys. The only difference is you think you have more knowledge and your opinions are better because you classify yourself as "old school". When you get down to the meat of it you QQ just like the "new" players, you complain about everything just the the "new" players, you are never happy (Archage proved this and it's all Archage proved) just like the "new" players. "Old" school "new" school it will never change you guys will never stop QQing and never be happy.
For this statement both "new" and "old" school are referencing the ones in forums like this. Where do I fit in? I'm a gamer been gaming for 30 years but I don't label myself as anything I play video games to relax, if I don't enjoy a certain game I don't play it, not a chance I act like an idiot and pretend everyone feels the way I do and that an entire genre of video games SHOULD change because I may not like it.
There are 1000s of games out there if you can't find one you enjoy without QQing about it, maybe it's time you find a new hobby? Who knows maybe QQing on a forum is your new hobby.
The only thing ArcheAge proved, is how to destroy a decent game as fast as humanly possible.
By virtue of experience, old school players that have honestly played both the old and new, do have more knowledge. The vast majority of the players in this genre have never experienced an MMO that operates and feels like a virtual world rather than just a game. Most of them simply read a wikipedia entry, looked at some google images, or played the modernized version of old games and parade around here like they have a clue. They stick out like a sore thumb.
Haha and big headed, high horse riding "old school" gamers who parade around like their crap dont stink, stick out like a sore thumb also.
"The vast majority" it's so cute how you guys think you know what everyone feels, thinks, experienced, wants, and knows. If you guys took your amazing ability and turned into something good in the real world, our world might be a much better place.
Hi Tessle, are you on 24/7 to be sure Old Schoolers don't gain any power ?
I can't ignore this. What does this mean?
Do you view this forum as a struggle between new players and old players in which the old players will ultimately defeat the new players?
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You really think I dont understand all the reasons SWG was bad? You have any idea how many quenkers I killed trying to grind out every class in the game to unlock my jedi? You have any idea how many more quenkers I killed trying to grind out exp to transfer to jedi exp at that stupid village because they changed the system a few weeks before id have been a jedi? For those that dont know you run to a mission terminal and accept two missions and then you run and kill the spawns and repeat for days, and that was grinding in that game. I loved every second of it, because i didnt know which class combination would unlock jedi for me, and that made the grind matter, because it was starwars and SWG made you feel like you were in the world, because for no reason at all a few storm troopers would pop out of the sky in a shuttle and help me kill something, salute me and go about their day, or some random sith for no reason would blast me off my speeder bike and pwn my face... Then when I got bored id put on my Imperial robes (gift for a quest line that ended with me giving Darth Vader a hug, not scripted but he was standing their, how could i not hug him) and once dressed as the beacon of imperial light that I was id go recruit new players for the dark side, get them gear, teach them the game, build them a house, and tell them to go kill rebel scum as payment, after all the emperor only wants your love, its only natural that you protect those you love from those who are so vile as to wish to harm your loved ones... For all the games fault, and SOE did its best to kill that game, but with all its faults for a few months or a year it was freaking amazing. I cant figure out a way to express how much that game sucked and how frustrating it was waiting for 5 mins for a shuttle, but I wouldnt change a thing about it and all those little things made the game so freaking good you cant understand. At the same time I understand why you want an AH and LFG tool, why you would hate to spend your whole weekend searching every other vendor on every other planet untill you found the games best crafter to get to make you some stuff almost no one else would ever get. I get hating a death penalty or corpse run. They make mmorpgs for you now though. It is not because we are dumb that we want a game with features not every one would want. It is because we want something different and we want it built with current tech and graphics and crap...
It is silly to think that games like WoW dont have a place, it would be equally silly to not appreciate all the ways video games are better as a result of them taking from rpg games and mmorpgs and games like WoW. It is equally dumb to think people who want "old school" games are just bitter and jaded. Those "old school games" had something new games dont, something good, they also lacked the convenience and accessibility of new games, but you really dont understand why we wouldnt want that again? Maybe I am an MMO Snob, or a silly elitest, but a game company that makes a game targeted at just the few million of us will make a bunch of money via our monthly subs. Games get better as we build more and embrace the past the present and the future... Im happy gta has rpg aspects and fps games do rts things, I enjoy moba games, and a solo play through some theme park mmorpgs, but I and many other people want a game we can live in again and everyone should understand why some one else might want something different then them...
the real issue at hand is people are bored of a genre and are blaming the genre rather than their own evolved tastes. It's no different to the person who swears old music is better than new music etc.
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
rpg/mmorg history: Dun Darach>Bloodwych>Bards Tale 1-3>Eye of the beholder > Might and Magic 2,3,5 > FFVII> Baldur's Gate 1, 2 > Planescape Torment >Morrowind > WOW > oblivion > LOTR > Guild Wars (1900hrs elementalist) Vanguard. > GW2(1000 elementalist), Wildstar
Now playing GW2, AOW 3, ESO, LOTR, Elite D
What the hell is that mass of words about?
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Exploration in todays mmorpgs, well in the start of in SWG your jedi was locked behind a few classes, those classes were different for every character ever made, and you had no way to know... Sure an online guide could tell you some stuff but lots of it was you guessing and doing stuff. Also some of the events that happened were random... Imagine then for the brief time your jedi could be perma killed. In Sword art online (anime) the main character has dual wield, he is the only character in the game that has it and no one knows how he got it or whatever, point is that you could create things in the world that only some people would ever be able to experience and only ever that one time. I know lots of people would be sad because it didnt happen to them, but that is life lol just like the real world, and those people in life and in the game would prolly be happier if they were busy enjoying their own experience. Basically put they need to make it so each of our experience is different, and that means accepting some people wont want to play the game. Make it about making enough money and not all the money and it will work....
I remember in the first few weeks of SWG, we needed to gather people from many planets to come kill a random creature that strolled into town and started killing things, lol it was awesome and you had to be their for it or you missed it.
^Like...for the most part
One of these days...we will get another big MMO that gets it. But I know there's a HUGE area of opinion on what "gets it" means
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
That mass of words was about the idea that old school or new school people are wrong for wanting what they want lol people on both sides need to stop the hate and embrace the love lol That being said I hate most of what new players love, but its okay they love it...
Looks to me that it was about how things that people now dub "inconvenient" created an environment that felt much more like a virtual world.
Yeah what he said that too lol
It's awesome we have translators here....I'd be dead in the water otherwise :P
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Beats the new crop of players.
You want to not be dependent on anyone.
Yet you play an MMO.
People do play them. In fact, DGC had to release another server (Lockjaw) after the one they recently released (Ragefire) was too full. That doesn't include those playing on P1999. What is more you need an All Access pass (15.00/month) to get into the DGC progression servers. I'm not arguing that the old school style is the majority but it certainly has a healthy population overall.
Well said!
I find it strange that some older folk are so confused about this.
I just weak again "the mass love it" .
Because even if you right , it don't mean "the mass love it".
So when talk about old school vs new style (wow style) , i like to see why the game makers should create old school style MMORPG.
After all everything down to the profit.
Tell the true , MMORPG genre ready reach the limit.
Soon there will be no more large fund MMO develop project. Nowadays , doing singleplayer and mobile game show more profit.
Tha's not democracy, that 's how rule of mediocrity works.
Amen!
What is it that a new generation of MMOs has brought us? At best you can say optimization and stability and nicer graphics, no real innovation has happened in the last 5 years. Old devs are tweaking what they have done before to make money, because really they dont care anymore. The new young devs are regurgitating and building games by metrics. Stale and boring
People create things for many reasons, one of them is to make money, and one of them is to create something. Making money is fine and every company should want to do it, but wanting to make money more then you want to have satisfied customers is dumb. Being a doctor cause you wanna saves lives and making money is awesome, being a doctor cause you want fat loot is dumb, just my two cents.
WoW might have been a game that got millions and millions of people playing, it might have launched mmorpgs into the mainstream, but it is foolish as a developer to think your just gonna make the next WoW. Even if you have an established franchise like with ESO, and a well known company backing it, we saw/see how it is working out for ESO. Also when WoW launched mmorpgs were not mainstream, it was the first game to cross the barrier and build the bridge, no other game is gonna be able to do that cause WoW already did it, further when WoW did it your options were WoW or WoW or WoW, compared to right now when every one is making the next big mmo in his basement.
Point to the rant is simple, game companies will make more money in the long run if they make a game for a specific sub group of our very diverse population. A game like WoW will never exist again in the sense that everyone loves it and will sub for a few years over time, and its time for game companies to embrace it. So many examples of games that have been running forever that many of us think are crap or would never play, ill never play EvE but it makes so much money for ccp and makes so many people happy. At some point after enough companies fail a few will figure it out, once that happens we will see big game companies move onto single player titles with for sure profit and smaller companies and maybe a few big ones will make games not trying to make everyone happy but rather make some people happy. It will make more money then trying and failing to be the next WoW.
The only thing of note MMO's have ever brought us, is the ability to interact with more than a deathmatch's worth of players. In regard to innovation, they'll always be behind the curve in terms of game-play.
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New MMOs have also made rpg concepts mainstream. As a result you see better features in single player games and games as a whole. MOBA prolly wouldnt exist absent new style MMO games having instanced pvp battle grounds and making money with them. New generation MMOs might have killed MMOs that old school people love, but its given birth to many new great things... I still want an old school MMO with new school shinny bits (graphics and such) but just cause we have been in the dark ages of mmorpgs doesnt mean we wont find the light, and it doesnt mean the future might not have even better games for all of us...
And that's easily answered with "look at the changes that are added, not that the world changed".
I agree on your last sentence as no two players can agree on what constitutes a good "state of the game" let alone definitions for things such as sandbox.
But there is a palpable difference between adding to the game and evolving the game to down right changing the game rules and game premise so that the games don't even resemble what made them fun to begin with.
Of course the other issue is graphics. There are people who just can't accept older graphics and want their worlds to be updated to new and spiffy. I suspect that costs a lot of money and just wont' be done.
That then bleeds into the current indy games where some developer posts a shot and someone says "that's so 2004".
Of course, we then need to be careful to attribute that statement to the correct type of person as it's very possible that some "old school" players might not care. But I bet there are a few who do.
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The "old school" guys are no better than the "new school" guys. The only difference is you think you have more knowledge and your opinions are better because you classify yourself as "old school". When you get down to the meat of it you QQ just like the "new" players, you complain about everything just the the "new" players, you are never happy (Archage proved this and it's all Archage proved) just like the "new" players. "Old" school "new" school it will never change you guys will never stop QQing and never be happy.
For this statement both "new" and "old" school are referencing the ones in forums like this. Where do I fit in? I'm a gamer been gaming for 30 years but I don't label myself as anything I play video games to relax, if I don't enjoy a certain game I don't play it, not a chance I act like an idiot and pretend everyone feels the way I do and that an entire genre of video games SHOULD change because I may not like it.
There are 1000s of games out there if you can't find one you enjoy without QQing about it, maybe it's time you find a new hobby? Who knows maybe QQing on a forum is your new hobby.
The only thing ArcheAge proved, is how to destroy a decent game as fast as humanly possible.
By virtue of experience, old school players that have honestly played both the old and new, do have more knowledge. The vast majority of the players in this genre have never experienced an MMO that operates and feels like a virtual world rather than just a game. Most of them simply read a wikipedia entry, looked at some google images, or played the modernized version of old games and parade around here like they have a clue. They stick out like a sore thumb.
Haha and big headed, high horse riding "old school" gamers who parade around like their crap dont stink, stick out like a sore thumb also.
"The vast majority" it's so cute how you guys think you know what everyone feels, thinks, experienced, wants, and knows. If you guys took your amazing ability and turned into something good in the real world, our world might be a much better place.
Hi Tessle, are you on 24/7 to be sure Old Schoolers don't gain any power ?
I can't ignore this. What does this mean?
Do you view this forum as a struggle between new players and old players in which the old players will ultimately defeat the new players?