Trion to rip gamers off with founders pack for Devilian.

Uziduke

Devilian will be another Archeage. Trion proved that they can't westernize another Asian game by again have ridiculous founders packs that match the same as ArcheAge. Lets see how many they can fool this time around.

Arcane4176

Trying to get as much money now from the founder packs because they know the game is gonna suck. Trion is becoming a very bad company cash grabbing money mongers. They are getting games from overseas now that fail and re releasing them as new here in the states and charging $50.00 to $150.00 for a F2P game with a cash shop. Make your own games Trion and quit being lazy trying to turn around failing games in America..

Ghavrigg

Of course it's a rip-off to buy these Founder Packs. But there will always be people out there with money to burn who don't mind throwing it at something they consider even mildly interesting.

Sinaku

You are totally free not to purchase a founders pack since no one is forcing you to do so (as was the case with ArcheAge). Every developer does this with preorders, founders packs, starter packs, ect. this is nothing new in the industry. Wait until launch if you don't want to pay, because surprise it is that easy.

goboygo

But who can resist turning a lapdog into your own personal handcuff storage vessel.   And what about the cute rabbit eared pot bellied chinchilla?  Those Koreans really know how to hit all my Western hot buttons.

https://www.deviliangame.com/en/store/

svandy

I was slightly interested in the game because I love ARPGs, and then I saw those founder pack prices and it is 100% off my radar now. Founder packs are getting more and more and more expensive every day, it is insane. I used to be a fan of Early Access type stuff, because I just want to play a game as soon as I can and I honestly dont mind bugs.

But... that was when founder packs were $20, which was a fair price because it was basically a discount on release price for most games, and you got the discount for accepting the lack of content/bugs/etc that comes with EA. These days, founder packs cost as much as the base game, and usually it's $60 to get into a FREE TO PLAY game. It is getting completely insane, it's almost criminal at this point and I wish other gamers would stop feeding this. It's very similar to how games used to cost between $40-$50, and then they started releasing "collector's editions," that came with a poster for $60, and people ate it up. It was all a test to see how much we would pay for practically nothing, and sure as shit we kept paying hand over fist until $60 became the norm.

Hell, that isn't even the norm anymore, it seems there is a huge number of people, maybe even the majority, that happily shell out $90+ to get the game + "season pass," which equates to them pre-ordering "DLC," which should have either been in the game to begin with or amounts to nothing more than a content patch (looking at you, Destiny). I'm all for devs getting money for their hardwork, but companies like Trion are trashing their reputation with their customers just to make a fast buck.

breadm1x

Sinaku said:

You are totally free not to purchase a founders pack since no one is forcing you to do so (as was the case with ArcheAge). Every developer does this with preorders, founders packs, starter packs, ect. this is nothing new in the industry. Wait until launch if you don't want to pay, because surprise it is that easy.

You should look up "Founder" in the dictionary.
Its used by games that are new are developed by company's themselfs.
Founder as in you where there in the begining/the fist.
That totaly makes no sense in this game.
Its already out for 2 years.
They could have done that with Rift Trove and Defiance, not with this game.

And  founders pack are new in the industry.
Got no clue where you have been the last 20 years.

Back in the day they where called beta, and you was honored to get invited to it.
You where required to "test" the game and report problems bugs with the game.
Some even asked for a resume what else you beta tested.

Nowdays they bring out a pile of crap like its new, let you BUY your way into a "BETA"
And dont realy care what you do or dont do.

I have beta tested about every major game that's out there and some that are dead.
Word of warcraft, lineage 1 and 2, Tabularaza, Stargate worlds, Lord of the rings online, warhammer, Age of Conan, Neocron.

Never pay'd for that, it IS new from the last few years, and its just a way of ripping you off.
Preorder and Starterpacks them are old.

(hmz forum is getting better i see i can use spacebar :P )

svandy

DMKano said:

Why do some folks think that for how much businesses decide to sell their product is any of their business?

Because it sets an industry standard in an industry they care about? You can't argue this is not true, the dramatic increase in the price of founder's packs, pre-orders, etc is very, very obvious. People are just as free to express their disgust in this practice as companies are to engage in it, so it is pretty hypocritical to suggest that we need to just leave them be - especially when their profits are driven DIRECTLY by people like us, whereas our opinions don't rely on them at all.

Braindome

Stuka1000

DMKano said:

svandy said:

DMKano said:

Why do some folks think that for how much businesses decide to sell their product is any of their business?

Because it sets an industry standard in an industry they care about? You can't argue this is not true, the dramatic increase in the price of founder's packs, pre-orders, etc is very, very obvious. People are just as free to express their disgust in this practice as companies are to engage in it, so it is pretty hypocritical to suggest that we need to just leave them be - especially when their profits are driven DIRECTLY by people like us, whereas our opinions don't rely on them at all.

Expressing an opinion is one thing - however this will be a F2P game.

why just not wait and you know play without spending any cash upfront?

it's absolutely laughable to express "disgust" over this.


If they were charging  $150 per month to play this you might have a point.

but the founder pack prices are in line with  current industry prices so again, your point is ?

I agree with DMKano on this one, just wait and don't spend a penny.  What I do find laughable is how many people in another thread appear to think that Scott Hartsman is great.  Since the guy came back to Trion the company has gone from one of the better ones out there to being completely greed driven.

Albatroes

Lol for the type of game that it is those founder pack prices are pretty funny. Good Luck Trion.

Pepeq

So long as there are fools... money will be soon be departed.

Here's a hint... they wouldn't even sell these so called packs, perks, or what have you if there weren't plenty of fools.

F2P is just that... free.  I've never spent a single cent on one of them... but plenty of fools have.  The game is still playable... they just want to play an easier game... because that is just what it is... easier.

Keep paying for convenience and you will keep paying.  It's that simple.

svandy

DMKano said:

but the founder pack prices are in line with  current industry prices so again, your point is ?

My point is that industry prices are at an all time high because of people such as yourself defending outrageous prices. I made that pretty clear, you are shifting goal posts. First they can charge what they want and it is not our business, then it doesn't matter because they are within industry standards anyway?

I am not going to buy it, and that is not the point. The point is that as long as people do buy it, other devs will see that and come to the logical conclusion that gamers are willing to pay that price - which evidently they are - for sub standard products (or in this case, early access to a free product).

Either way you obviously simply don't agree, so I'll leave it at that. Hopefully you enjoy the game and get your money's worth.

donger56

At least Archeage had some promise before Trion ruined it with their greedy bait and switch business model. This game looks so boiler plate it doesn't even look worth the download. Trion just continues to cash grab off of 3rd rate games made by other studios. They are bottom feeder scam artists. I would never touch a Trion game after the disaster that was Archeage. They can take all of those over priced founders packs and shove it. Blade and soul founder packs were cheaper than that and that game has at least a decent track record. Trion is just trying to shovel more garbage on to the pile of junk they already produce over there. 

JDis25

Yeah this Trion hate is beyond excessive. Look at the industry right now, You have blizzard charging $60 for an expansion that was the worst expansion ever released plus a sub fee. You have SOE/Daybreak basically going under because they give up on their best games, F2P that could be considered "non-lucrative" and also early-access games. You have a bunch of small indie-studios not doing much of anything.

Trion is at least moving along and bringing us finished games that are worth playing. FFXIV's heavensward was a nice expansion, but it will begin to follow the WoW path from this point, trust me. NCSoft and Trion are doing the best things for MMOs in general right now.

Acebets70

Im Sorry DM  i play AA but its only until i find a better home. Trion is the new SOE its not hard to see their game plan...

Cetra

Sorry Trion. An unknown game that failed in Korea and you want $50-$150 for founders? Be glad if ppl are even remotely interested to try your game instead of making it a cash grab.

zaberfangx

Here a Tip don't complain this is not arche age, just wait for the game to come out if people think going suck then they get to try it when it's out and drop it if does suck with out dropping any money in to it. But If people did drop money on this and they can complain all the way to the bank as there a paying customer for this game.

rojoArcueid

Devilian is a korean mmo that is already shutting down in its own region... I would certainly try it when it comes to NA but why someone would buy founders on DOA game is beyond me.

Bloodaxes

It has been proved that when developers give people the option to play early for a price, those "fools" *ehem* sorry, I meant people, shove money to their faces.

Not only trion does it anyway. 

rojoArcueid

It seems to me that is becoming a trend to bring dead mmos to the west with the purpose of making one final cash grab attempt before closing down the games for good. Right now there are 2 mmos that i know are coming to the west while shutting down in their own region, Devilian online, and Asta online.

Im really inclined to believe we are taken for the fools paying for leftovers before we lose them too.

I say stop supporting this nonsense.

Wraith0

I just saw the email for this, and had to come see if the people of the forum agreed with my initial reaction, and they do.  Trion has truly fallen.

Cazriel

Gaming is a multi-billion dollar industry.  Throwing a hissy fit and stamping your feet is not going to change that.  You may convince a few people that "ya, this is outrageous" but those people who are truly interested in the game and want to support it or just always have to have the most expensive pack are going to spend their money on this stuff.

In my opinion, Turbine never should have started using the "Free to Play" tag.  It sent the wrong message; that is, that games don't cost anything and players don't have to pay to play.  Now there's a whole class of players who get ticked off whenever a gaming company puts a price tag on anything.  There are enough "How dare they ask me for money!" posts in the MMORPG forums alone to sink a ship. 

The question to be asked is "What is it worth to me?"   I've occasionally been disappointed that I spent money on a founder's pack for a game that I ended up not liking.  But that was on me, not the publisher.  Now, $149 is about a year's subscription cost for most games that have sub or sub option.  So with a F2P game, I'm essentially buying a year's subscription and getting a lot of hopefully useful stuff.  A mount I will always go for because it simply makes everything easier.  More inventory and bag space is a no brainer.  I know I'm going to need that.  So, I can either wait to play the game and buy that stuff in-game from the store or get the Founder's Pack.   It all depends on what it's worth to me.  

zaberfangx

rojoArcueid said:

It seems to me that is becoming a trend to bring dead mmos to the west with the purpose of making one final cash grab attempt before closing down the games for good. Right now there are 2 mmos that i know are coming to the west while shutting down in their own region, Devilian online, and Asta online.

Im really inclined to believe we are taken for the fools paying for leftovers before we lose them too.

I say stop supporting this nonsense.

I'm still waiting for arche age to die off what people keeps saying on this forums months ago. Just we don't know if the game going die off when hits NA. Gamers are picky so we'll never know how a game will do here until hits here and see what they do with the game. Even if some believe they going be a big mess as they have right to due so as they was not so happy in what happen with arche age if they played it pass level 10.

Albatroes

You honestly can't compare AA to this title though...AA was a much better constructed title for this, so even though I didn't buy a founder pack for it, it did seem a bit more realistic than this title.

Iselin

DMKano said:

When you are told the price upfront and exactly what you are getting - what is the problem?

Are companies not allowed to make a simple sale - because that's what this is - a product with a price - if you don't want it, don't buy it.

Too expensive for you - don't buy it.

Common sense.

Why do some folks think that for how much businesses decide to sell their product is any of their business?

If star citizen sells multi 1000 dollar ships - its their business.
When game companies sell founder packs - again their business.

buy or don't buy, it ends there.

You're joking right? Buy / not buy is one binary decision. But once you decide that either way, expressing an opinion about the worth of the product anywhere between "meh" and "disgust" about the quality, price or anything else related to the product is perfectly OK - it's what anyone with any interest for that type of product does when talking to others of similar interest. It does not end there.

It's no different than expressing an opinion about what RSI has been doing selling ships and what the company who was developing the FPS module for them - I forget their name - did with house sales in the MMO they announced shortly after that.

People are interested in discussing "bang for the buck" details about games and anything else they consider buying or renting.