That only works if the information is fully accurate and fully verifiable.....I haven't investigated this too far, I've no horse in this race, but from what I've seen, there is no proof one way or another. But as people have said before, If CIG is all legit, just show the records and the cloud of doubt goes away.
I have no issue with Kickstarter/Crowfunding games to be legally obligated to keep highly detailed records of all expenditures and must provide this to that backers if the project fails. Having said that, Derek Smart is asking for an independent forensic accountant (and he wanted to hire them himself) so that records could be made public (everything). That's just absurd for a business to do, especially when Derek Smart's own game could be considered a competitor (even though I personally believe he's out of money and that's the whole point to this nonsense from him).
Plus, backers have already been invited to the studios. Chris Roberts has extended an invitation to The Escapist to visit all four of the CIG studios. This is called transparency. When is enough enough? When CIG is spending all their time trying to please a small base of people who's following someone that I can verify that has been misleading people?
But haven't we gone way beyond Kickstarter? How much money have they obtained selling ships and what not? That's not KS. More like BS.
Oh, I've spoken about the selling ships shit since I'm against that kinda of stuff, anyway. The fact they're selling ships before the game releases, I think, sets a bad precedence in the gaming industry. Even if I cared about games like Star Citizen (I don't care for space games) I wouldn't back it due to that.
That's beside the point. It's not for me to tell people how they should spend their money. If this happens to be a scam, which I'm really confident it isn't, I'd agree completely with CIG's leadership being locked up. Having said that, all indications (when you actually research) point to this being a legit, but delayed, project. Which isn't out of the norm in the gaming industry.
Remember, as one ex-CIG employee basically said (one of the ones Derek Smart pointed out as leaving):
Don't believe everything you hear on the Internet. The sky isn't falling.
If Derek Smart and now The Escapist magazine are all launching personal attacks, doxing and several counts of libel, in the views of CR, then why nothing is being done to counter that?
Why Chris Roberts say: "Ok Derek, thats enough bashing for today, I will see you in courts suing you for libel (and some other legal stuff I dont know the name) for damages, both personal and my company and employees!"
Why the only rebute that CR does is just writting blog posts on their Star Citizen website?
Again, I am not taking sides here but this is very very strange from someone who is claiming to have all the moral and legal high ground (CR) and not doing anything legal to shut the vocal media and Derek.
And come on, dont give me the excuse he is too busy working on the game to take Derek and that magazine to court over libel... me thinks its because the latter are right in poking into the smoke.
Things like libel and slander are very hard to sue for in the U.S. It would be incredibly costly and time consuming for them to do that. But there are steps CR could take to stop this stuff. Like at least retaining a lawyer and threatening a suit which he absolutely should do against The Escapist just on principle alone demanding they rescind the article and issue an apology. The whole thing is bs, fake journalism written by glorified bloggers from a garbage website. CR didn't do himself any favors writing some rambling long ass response loaded with personal attacks against the author and DS. These people are like a bunch of kids. And CR stating how they have 260 employees and how that makes them such a huge business is pretty cute. The company I work for has about 10k employees. That's a large business. Maybe someone should tell him he's running a small business and to keep things more professional like the big boys do. He could've written a single paragraph refuting the claims and accusations it would've been much better for him. Anyway, I"m not a backer of SC. Just a Sci-Fi fan hoping to have a cool game to play if and when it comes out. If it's half as good as CR's dream it will still be better than tons of crap out there and will get my money then.
Chris Roberts do the right thing and take your money and run ... you owe nobody anything!!
Enjoy your new house and new cars and just give up on the game it will never meet a multimillion-dollar standard. Instead of looking like a asshole then just take off to Mexico now and come back in a year and everyone will have let it go by then.
If Derek Smart and now The Escapist magazine are all launching personal attacks, doxing and several counts of libel, in the views of CR, then why nothing is being done to counter that?
Why Chris Roberts say: "Ok Derek, thats enough bashing for today, I will see you in courts suing you for libel (and some other legal stuff I dont know the name) for damages, both personal and my company and employees!"
Why the only rebute that CR does is just writting blog posts on their Star Citizen website?
Again, I am not taking sides here but this is very very strange from someone who is claiming to have all the moral and legal high ground (CR) and not doing anything legal to shut the vocal media and Derek.
And come on, dont give me the excuse he is too busy working on the game to take Derek and that magazine to court over libel... me thinks its because the latter are right in poking into the smoke.
Things like libel and slander are very hard to sue for in the U.S. It would be incredibly costly and time consuming for them to do that. But there are steps CR could take to stop this stuff. Like at least retaining a lawyer and threatening a suit which he absolutely should do against The Escapist just on principle alone demanding they rescind the article and issue an apology. The whole thing is bs, fake journalism written by glorified bloggers from a garbage website. CR didn't do himself any favors writing some rambling long ass response loaded with personal attacks against the author and DS. These people are like a bunch of kids. And CR stating how they have 260 employees and how that makes them such a huge business is pretty cute. The company I work for has about 10k employees. That's a large business. Maybe someone should tell him he's running a small business and to keep things more professional like the big boys do. He could've written a single paragraph refuting the claims and accusations it would've been much better for him. Anyway, I"m not a backer of SC. Just a Sci-Fi fan hoping to have a cool game to play if and when it comes out. If it's half as good as CR's dream it will still be better than tons of crap out there and will get my money then.
In some ways, you're probably right about the response letter. However, you can see the frustration and the fact that Chris Roberts had enough of Derek Smart even bringing his kids into this, let alone the slander against his wife over and over.
Plus, read up on that slander against Sandi and the accusations of nepotism. Chris then points out how Sandi wrote the marketing plan for Star Citizen, which shows she had a big hand in it reaching the amount of crowdfunding it has. And, he's calling nepotism because she got promoted to VP of Marketing?
There's plenty of cases where Derek Smart has been clearly misleading or what seems to be outright lying about the Star Citizen project.
It's even been revealed that Derek Smart never downloaded or played any of the available modules to backers when he still was one. Based upon what I've read from not only CIG, but backers that witnessed it first hand, he became very toxic on the RSI forums.
If Derek Smart and now The Escapist magazine are all launching personal attacks, doxing and several counts of libel, in the views of CR, then why nothing is being done to counter that?
Why Chris Roberts say: "Ok Derek, thats enough bashing for today, I will see you in courts suing you for libel (and some other legal stuff I dont know the name) for damages, both personal and my company and employees!"
Why the only rebute that CR does is just writting blog posts on their Star Citizen website?
Again, I am not taking sides here but this is very very strange from someone who is claiming to have all the moral and legal high ground (CR) and not doing anything legal to shut the vocal media and Derek.
And come on, dont give me the excuse he is too busy working on the game to take Derek and that magazine to court over libel... me thinks its because the latter are right in poking into the smoke.
Things like libel and slander are very hard to sue for in the U.S. It would be incredibly costly and time consuming for them to do that. But there are steps CR could take to stop this stuff. Like at least retaining a lawyer and threatening a suit which he absolutely should do against The Escapist just on principle alone demanding they rescind the article and issue an apology. The whole thing is bs, fake journalism written by glorified bloggers from a garbage website. CR didn't do himself any favors writing some rambling long ass response loaded with personal attacks against the author and DS. These people are like a bunch of kids. And CR stating how they have 260 employees and how that makes them such a huge business is pretty cute. The company I work for has about 10k employees. That's a large business. Maybe someone should tell him he's running a small business and to keep things more professional like the big boys do. He could've written a single paragraph refuting the claims and accusations it would've been much better for him. Anyway, I"m not a backer of SC. Just a Sci-Fi fan hoping to have a cool game to play if and when it comes out. If it's half as good as CR's dream it will still be better than tons of crap out there and will get my money then.
In some ways, you're probably right about the response letter. However, you can see the frustration and the fact that Chris Roberts had enough of Derek Smart even bringing his kids into this, let alone the slander against his wife over and over.
Plus, read up on that slander against Sandi and the accusations of nepotism. Chris then points out how Sandi wrote the marketing plan for Star Citizen, which shows she had a big hand in it reaching the amount of crowdfunding it has. And, he's calling nepotism because she got promoted to VP of Marketing?
There's plenty of cases where Derek Smart has been clearly misleading or what seems to be outright lying about the Star Citizen project.
It's even been revealed that Derek Smart never downloaded or played any of the available modules to backers when he still was one. Based upon what I've read from not only CIG, but backers that witnessed it first hand, he became very toxic on the RSI forums.
DS has stated several times that he has never posted in the RSI forums? You have something showing that he did?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I will only post this once and then lets others do the research for themselfs. But the editor that wrote the article. They are a friend of Derek Smarts. Lets just leave it at that and be done with it.
You get a BADGE on the Escapist website just for reading that article (see pictures in comments section)?
A badge that mocks the Star Citizen project ?
Really ?!
What a highly professional completely unbiased news site ....
Have fun
It's a conspiracy. Derek Smart and The Escapist have an agenda. Clearly, they conspired to give people badges so more people would read the article.
Rumor has it that you can buy all the badges that existed up to 2014 for $15,000.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
You get a BADGE on the Escapist website just for reading that article (see pictures in comments section)?
A badge that mocks the Star Citizen project ?
Really ?!
What a highly professional completely unbiased news site ....
Have fun
It's a conspiracy. Derek Smart and The Escapist have an agenda. Clearly, they conspired to give people badges so more people would read the article.
Rumor has it that you can buy all the badges that existed up to 2014 for $15,000.
No no no no! You have to buy a badge that has not yet been released,
No, that's somewhere else. The Escapist is already relased. You actually do get your badges to use right now... but you do have to pay extra for the 2015 badges and they're not insured.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
You get a BADGE on the Escapist website just for reading that article (see pictures in comments section)?
A badge that mocks the Star Citizen project ?
Really ?!
What a highly professional completely unbiased news site ....
Have fun
It's a conspiracy. Derek Smart and The Escapist have an agenda. Clearly, they conspired to give people badges so more people would read the article.
Rumor has it that you can buy all the badges that existed up to 2014 for $15,000.
No no no no! You have to buy a badge that has not yet been released,
No, that's somewhere else. The Escapist is already relased. You actually do get your badges to use right now... but you do have to pay extra for the 2015 badges and they're not insured.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Well bless my soul, you can now see who DS was talking to. These 9 people (7 who let the Escapist know who they were) have just verified everything DS has been saying and DS was using the exact words these people were telling him on what was going on. CR and his wife should be locked up for a very long time when this is all over.
DS you have been proven not to be the crazy person they have been attempting to make you be. Good going sir and to CR and his wife, you low life's may have just destroyed crowdfunding for good. This is a sad day for crowdfunding and the life of gaming.
Oh and if the article is all lies, why nothing from his attorney?
OH one more thing,
HAVE FUN!
OH CR DO NOT DROP THE SOAP!!
Bren, DS has been talking to more than those 9. So have many other people.
Theres a whole lot more still there right now and a whole lot more who promise they are coming forward in the next few months as well.
As I said before,this is all just getting started and the next few months are going to be very interesting for all.
@Erillion- crying because he doxxod the mansion that CR and his WIFE are paying $13,500/month for using company funds? Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh- Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. I think CR should push the issue and take it to the authorities at which point other people will be FORCED to play their hand .
[UPDATE 2: An army of Star Citizen fans have predictably started
attacking me for writing this article. Bear in mind that I'm simply
reporting on a report, and liberally using words like "allegations" and
"claims." However, many of you seem content to discard these allegations
as false simply because Roberts says they're false, which is more
disturbing than any claims contained in this article.]
[UPDATE 2: An army of Star Citizen fans have predictably started
attacking me for writing this article. Bear in mind that I'm simply
reporting on a report, and liberally using words like "allegations" and
"claims." However, many of you seem content to discard these allegations
as false simply because Roberts says they're false, which is more
disturbing than any claims contained in this article.]
Shame on you Erillion
If you click on the responses, someone calling himself "Wesha" is so angry at all these "so-called journalists" that he just donated another $1,000,
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
[UPDATE 2: An army of Star Citizen fans have predictably started
attacking me for writing this article. Bear in mind that I'm simply
reporting on a report, and liberally using words like "allegations" and
"claims." However, many of you seem content to discard these allegations
as false simply because Roberts says they're false, which is more
disturbing than any claims contained in this article.]
Shame on you Erillion
If you click on the responses, someone calling himself "Wesha" is so angry at all these "so-called journalists" that he just donated another $1,000,
[UPDATE 2: An army of Star Citizen fans have predictably started
attacking me for writing this article. Bear in mind that I'm simply
reporting on a report, and liberally using words like "allegations" and
"claims." However, many of you seem content to discard these allegations
as false simply because Roberts says they're false, which is more
disturbing than any claims contained in this article.]
Shame on you Erillion
Um am I missing something? At the time he posted that the story showed 5 comments in the comment section. 2 of them were him. ...is that an army?
Comments
I hate to sound like a broken record but..........
May we have a moment of silence for all the succa's who dished out tons of cash for this game
That's beside the point. It's not for me to tell people how they should spend their money. If this happens to be a scam, which I'm really confident it isn't, I'd agree completely with CIG's leadership being locked up. Having said that, all indications (when you actually research) point to this being a legit, but delayed, project. Which isn't out of the norm in the gaming industry.
Remember, as one ex-CIG employee basically said (one of the ones Derek Smart pointed out as leaving):
Don't believe everything you hear on the Internet. The sky isn't falling.
Have fun.
The whole thing is bs, fake journalism written by glorified bloggers from a garbage website. CR didn't do himself any favors writing some rambling long ass response loaded with personal attacks against the author and DS. These people are like a bunch of kids. And CR stating how they have 260 employees and how that makes them such a huge business is pretty cute.
The company I work for has about 10k employees. That's a large business.
Maybe someone should tell him he's running a small business and to keep things more professional like the big boys do. He could've written a single paragraph refuting the claims and accusations it would've been much better for him.
Anyway, I"m not a backer of SC. Just a Sci-Fi fan hoping to have a cool game to play if and when it comes out. If it's half as good as CR's dream it will still be better than tons of crap out there and will get my money then.
Chris Roberts do the right thing and take your money and run ... you owe nobody anything!!
Enjoy your new house and new cars and just give up on the game it will never meet a multimillion-dollar standard. Instead of looking like a asshole then just take off to Mexico now and come back in a year and everyone will have let it go by then.
Plus, read up on that slander against Sandi and the accusations of nepotism. Chris then points out how Sandi wrote the marketing plan for Star Citizen, which shows she had a big hand in it reaching the amount of crowdfunding it has. And, he's calling nepotism because she got promoted to VP of Marketing?
There's plenty of cases where Derek Smart has been clearly misleading or what seems to be outright lying about the Star Citizen project.
It's even been revealed that Derek Smart never downloaded or played any of the available modules to backers when he still was one. Based upon what I've read from not only CIG, but backers that witnessed it first hand, he became very toxic on the RSI forums.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
A badge that mocks the Star Citizen project ?
Really ?!
What a highly professional completely unbiased news site ....
Have fun
It's a conspiracy. Derek Smart and The Escapist have an agenda. Clearly, they conspired to give people badges so more people would read the article.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
You have to buy a badge that has not yet been released,
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
This publication is much older, bigger, more famous and has millions more readers than "The Escapist"
Their sources are also unnamed and anonymous. Rest assured all their stories are accurate after all it is a professional legal publication.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2015/10/01/report-star-citizen-is-almost-out-of-cash-and-chris-roberts-insatiable-ambition-is-to-blame/
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Theres a whole lot more still there right now and a whole lot more who promise they are coming forward in the next few months as well.
As I said before,this is all just getting started and the next few months are going to be very interesting for all.
@Erillion- crying because he doxxod the mansion that CR and his WIFE are paying $13,500/month for using company funds? Waaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh- Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh. I think CR should push the issue and take it to the authorities at which point other people will be FORCED to play their hand .
-Have fun!!!!
See ya on the flip side.
Nah, Forbes is in on the lets ruin SC/CR conspiracy too......rolls eyes.
Jason Evangelho ,
Contributor for Forbes
[UPDATE 2: An army of Star Citizen fans have predictably started attacking me for writing this article. Bear in mind that I'm simply reporting on a report, and liberally using words like "allegations" and "claims." However, many of you seem content to discard these allegations as false simply because Roberts says they're false, which is more disturbing than any claims contained in this article.]
Shame on you Erillion
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Hilarious indeed.
At the time he posted that the story showed 5 comments in the comment section. 2 of them were him.
...is that an army?