Saw this quote earlier and it certainly rings true
"Attacking Derek Smart as if that bozo gadfly even matters! But apparently to the cult of Star Citizen, it's some magical talisman. All of their enemies are Derek, the press are puppets of Derek, their former employees are all controlled by Derek. He ain't Sauron, he's a mentally ill man with a Tesla and a lot of free time. Do they literally think he's both simultaneously incompetent AND sitting at the center of a giant spiderweb of power able to dispatch his minions as if he were Hassan-i-Sabbah? He does all that AND posts under 23985739457 pseudonyms AND his own name all over the net? Wow, he's practically a supervillain. I find it amazing that apparently one of their stretch goals was reviving the relevance of that 90s relic!"
While I don't know if he really has THAT many speudonyms on the internet, he does have quite a few tho. LOL.
The fact is. If Derek Smart would put all his negative energy into positive energy and put that into his own games, he might actually be able to deliver a game that doesn't suck. /shrug
Fact is! Derek Smart has been so hell bend on taking down Chris Roberts the past year, that his latest game "Line of Defense" is still in complete shambles a year later with user review rating Very Negative.
Good thing he didnt take 100 Million of gamers money or this thread would be about him.
The amount of money doesn't matter. Like I said. I only spend 50 bucks on SC, like most others. Only a few very wealthy individuals spend crazy money on those ships and boosted the funding to that amount and that is their choice.
Derek Smart is selling dysfunctional games on Steam, taking people's money and gets away with it, as he is hiding behind the "Early Access" excuse banner.
The Escapsit seem pretty convinced that there is enough to this to warrent them going ahead and not back down until they have provided the public with sufficient material for people to be able to form thier own informed oppinion, despite the threats of legal action.
You might call that being "hell-bent", but I dont see that as a bad thing. The only thing that worries me is that they end up getting distracted like DS did by petty details of no real consequence, and loose sight of the real big unanswered question: Is CIG burning through money to fast to finish the game as promised?
Derek is playing the part of a Demagogue, he's whipping up the rabble. You don't have to be smart to do that, just very vocal.
There is some questionability about the anonymous sources, but I haven't looked into that.
A company reveal their sources without being required by law to do so? It won't happen, no matter who the company is. I've seen business people claim doing so without the legal requirement is a guaranteed way to shoot yourself, even if everything is absolutely perfect and wonderful.
Words have power bud. NEVER forget it. So yes, words can hurt you, and especially companies. They've actually killed companies that hadn't even done anything wrong.
Dereks ability to find obscure references to him or his projects and insult or flame the posters is absolutely legendary! It's utterly inhuman! I swear, it's as if there are dozens of clones of him sitting at computers furiously typing venom filled drivel at all hours of the day and night.
Believe it or not, a very long time ago, I was a supporter of his, until I finally realized he was an overblown windbag with rabid foam dripping from his mouth. My opinion of him is not nice, but it was formed entirely by him and his antics. He is TOXIC and should be avoided at all costs.
Additionally, since Derek is competition in the field of space flight/fight games, you should take his complaints about what the competition is doing with a grain of salt even if you don't know of his deplorable past. Of course, the reason why he got booted from the kickstarter backers was because he was using their forums to promote his games. (I'm not on those forums, but that was the officially stated reason, and I've talked to friends that are and they've told me he did as was claimed.)
Usually the simplest explanation is the right explanation. Or everyone is picking on poor CR for [insert reason] because CR is a pillar of truth and like George Washington he "cannot tell a lie" ... Its persecution.
I don't know the guy personally, I don't follow anything he says, his opinions have zero influence on my own opinion but if he is indeed as you say then he should certainly be avoided.
Which is why I cannot understand high profile members of the SC community seeking him out, seeking out the help of extremely controversial people like Kevin Dent and engaging in idiotic point scoring flame wars. They moan and cry about all the attention Smart is getting and the damage it is causing to SC while increasing the attention themselves. I cannot believe they are stupid enough to not realise what effect their actions are causing so you have to wonder who exactly is the bigger troll. Some very messed up people out there.
Saw this quote earlier and it certainly rings true
"Attacking Derek Smart as if that bozo gadfly even matters! But apparently to the cult of Star Citizen, it's some magical talisman. All of their enemies are Derek, the press are puppets of Derek, their former employees are all controlled by Derek. He ain't Sauron, he's a mentally ill man with a Tesla and a lot of free time. Do they literally think he's both simultaneously incompetent AND sitting at the center of a giant spiderweb of power able to dispatch his minions as if he were Hassan-i-Sabbah? He does all that AND posts under 23985739457 pseudonyms AND his own name all over the net? Wow, he's practically a supervillain. I find it amazing that apparently one of their stretch goals was reviving the relevance of that 90s relic!"
While I don't know if he really has THAT many speudonyms on the internet, he does have quite a few tho. LOL.
The fact is. If Derek Smart would put all his negative energy into positive energy and put that into his own games, he might actually be able to deliver a game that doesn't suck. /shrug
Fact is! Derek Smart has been so hell bend on taking down Chris Roberts the past year, that his latest game "Line of Defense" is still in complete shambles a year later with user review rating Very Negative.
Good thing he didnt take 100 Million of gamers money or this thread would be about him.
The amount of money doesn't matter. Like I said. I only spend 50 bucks on SC, like most others. Only a few very wealthy individuals spend crazy money on those ships and boosted the funding to that amount and that is their choice.
Derek Smart is selling dysfunctional games on Steam, taking people's money and gets away with it, as he is hiding behind the "Early Access" excuse banner.
I find that worse and actually more criminal.
So, if i understand you correctly... only a few people pledged over 90 million dollars worth and "most" people pledged $50....
so what would be your basis for like a few?
let's
say 1 million people pledged $50 - thats, 50 million dollars... and
what like a few others pledged over a million dollars each for the
lulz....
The amount of money does matter, because it's peoples
money, peoples money they pledged into a game they believed in and now
that is under scrutiny for very good reason, it doesn't matter if it's
$50 or $1,000,000 you dropped on the game the other games you spent more
on that were utter crap still at least delivered a game, which at this
point isn't looking very promising for this game.
Once again
though, the rabid fanboy deflections onto DS - The PupperMaster, barely
even human anymore he's just a force of manipulation and strategy.
should really move on from what this guy has or hasn't done with his own
career he started something that has got it's own wings now and grown
into it's own monster and without CIG doing the responsible thing and
opening up a little, only time will tell how this all plays out.
What I find most disturbing about all this is how many on these forums try to demonise the media, especially since the article and subsequent follow ups were fairly level headed and the sources seem to be well vetted.
So, if i understand you correctly... only a few people pledged over 90 million dollars worth and "most" people pledged $50....
If you want to do the math (Status 6th Oct 2015):
765.414 people paid for a pledge package.
Total money gathered so far : 90,320,408 $
AVERAGE pledge : 118 $
Typical pledge (what you called .."most people pledged ...") will be below a hundred bucks, as some backers have pledged significantly more than the average.
All this video is trying to do is distract and put DS in the forefront. Not going to work because right now the bigger story is CR going down as the largest crowdfunding that never made a game.
I never understood crazed fans, i think it's an unhealthy attitude to believe in someone and think they can do no wrong, some of them don't even show any doubt or concern which i find very stange because after all it's a kickstarter so they should have some doubt.
I never understood crazed fans, i think it's an unhealthy attitude to believe in someone and think they can do no wrong, some of them don't even show any doubt or concern which i find very stange because after all it's a kickstarter so they should have some doubt.
I never understood crazed fans, i think it's an unhealthy attitude to believe in someone and think they can do no wrong, some of them don't even show any doubt or concern which i find very stange because after all it's a kickstarter so they should have some doubt.
That being said, I would assume you also have some doubts about the escapist claims?
Well i would like to see some more concrete evidence before my view changes but after what they changed to their arcticle last night seems to me they are confident in their article and the sources they got the information from.
I only posted about star citizen after the arcticle was realeased i hadn't posted anything before that, but i had been following the game, it's not my type of game i only started following it because there was more and more posts on the forum about the game and this was way before this whole thing blew up.
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt. Edit: Sorry misread you post. What is your view point?
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt.
No i don't think it's an healthy attitude that some have, who believe he is telling the 100% truth.
I never understood crazed fans, i think it's an unhealthy attitude to believe in someone and think they can do no wrong, some of them don't even show any doubt or concern which i find very stange because after all it's a kickstarter so they should have some doubt.
I've found out that it sometimes helps to think fans as religious people and the game as their religion.
Even if they're completely wrong with their religion, their stupidity is easier to accept if you think it as their religion.
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt.
No i don't think it's an healthy attitude that some have, who believe he is telling the 100% truth.
the fact that there are people who truly give Derek Smart any sort of props is amazing
hes just as much a clown of the industry such as Peter Molyneux: a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table .
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt.
No i don't think it's an healthy attitude that some have, who believe he is telling the 100% truth.
I agree, but it seems no one is being 100% honest in this situation. But there are folks on both sides being stubborn and close minded because it fits what they want to believe.
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt. Edit: Sorry misread you post. What is your view point?
I think the game may get realeased but i think some people will be disappointed with what they get, because it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of money has been wasted redisgning the game.
they have already said they are trying to make the game different from they originally planned so it's not far fecthed that a lot of monies might of been wasted that way.
I also said if they could stop selling ships because apparently chris has said they already have enough money for the game, so then people would be a lot less suspicious that they need more money to make the game.
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt.
No i don't think it's an healthy attitude that some have, who believe he is telling the 100% truth.
the fact that there are people who truly give Derek Smart any sort of props is amazing
hes just as much a clown of the industry such as Peter Molyneux: a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table .
Yet I can't understand why people aren't grateful for him exposing CR for the scammer he is.
The funny part is your statement "a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table " really fits CR to a tee.
Some of us have been discussing the Escapist Article in depth here in other threads. So what makes one individual's opinion that adds nothing new to the discussion worthy of a new thread linking a video?
You were saying about click bait?
Wasn't your previous attempt merged into that main thread already?
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So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt.
No i don't think it's an healthy attitude that some have, who believe he is telling the 100% truth.
the fact that there are people who truly give Derek Smart any sort of props is amazing
hes just as much a clown of the industry such as Peter Molyneux: a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table .
Yet I can't understand why people aren't grateful for him exposing CR for the scammer he is.
The funny part is your statement "a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table " really fits CR to a tee.
If you think Derek smart is a hero you haven't done your homework.
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt. Edit: Sorry misread you post. What is your view point?
I think the game may get realeased but i think some people will be disappointed with what they get, because it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of money has been wasted redisgning the game.
they have already said they are trying to make the game different from they originally planned so it's not far fecthed that a lot of monies might of been wasted that way.
I also said if they could stop selling ships because apparently chris has said they already have enough money for the game, so then people would be a lot less suspicious that they need more money to make the game.
As a $160 backer, it might surprise you that I 100% agree with this narrative and how it will go down. However, I just don't think DS and escapist have handled this professionally or with integrity. Same as CR in some ways.
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt.
No i don't think it's an healthy attitude that some have, who believe he is telling the 100% truth.
the fact that there are people who truly give Derek Smart any sort of props is amazing
hes just as much a clown of the industry such as Peter Molyneux: a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table .
Yet I can't understand why people aren't grateful for him exposing CR for the scammer he is.
The funny part is your statement "a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table " really fits CR to a tee.
Derek Smart is a scam artist himself. Come on now!
So you mock the sc fanbois for being close minded and unwilling to doubt cr but you can't find an doubt of the escapist piece. Granted the testimonies can be 100% true the card is an issue that could raise a reasonable doubt.
No i don't think it's an healthy attitude that some have, who believe he is telling the 100% truth.
the fact that there are people who truly give Derek Smart any sort of props is amazing
hes just as much a clown of the industry such as Peter Molyneux: a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table .
Yet I can't understand why people aren't grateful for him exposing CR for the scammer he is.
The funny part is your statement "a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table " really fits CR to a tee.
If you think Derek smart is a hero you haven't done your homework.
If you think Chris Roberts is a hero you haven't done your homework.
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Only a few very wealthy individuals spend crazy money on those ships and boosted the funding to that amount and that is their choice.
Derek Smart is selling dysfunctional games on Steam, taking people's money and gets away with it, as he is hiding behind the "Early Access" excuse banner.
I find that worse and actually more criminal.
The Escapsit seem pretty convinced that there is enough to this to warrent them going ahead and not back down until they have provided the public with sufficient material for people to be able to form thier own informed oppinion, despite the threats of legal action.
You might call that being "hell-bent", but I dont see that as a bad thing. The only thing that worries me is that they end up getting distracted like DS did by petty details of no real consequence, and loose sight of the real big unanswered question: Is CIG burning through money to fast to finish the game as promised?
There is some questionability about the anonymous sources, but I haven't looked into that.
A company reveal their sources without being required by law to do so? It won't happen, no matter who the company is. I've seen business people claim doing so without the legal requirement is a guaranteed way to shoot yourself, even if everything is absolutely perfect and wonderful.
Words have power bud. NEVER forget it. So yes, words can hurt you, and especially companies. They've actually killed companies that hadn't even done anything wrong.
Dereks ability to find obscure references to him or his projects and insult or flame the posters is absolutely legendary! It's utterly inhuman! I swear, it's as if there are dozens of clones of him sitting at computers furiously typing venom filled drivel at all hours of the day and night.
Believe it or not, a very long time ago, I was a supporter of his, until I finally realized he was an overblown windbag with rabid foam dripping from his mouth. My opinion of him is not nice, but it was formed entirely by him and his antics. He is TOXIC and should be avoided at all costs.
Additionally, since Derek is competition in the field of space flight/fight games, you should take his complaints about what the competition is doing with a grain of salt even if you don't know of his deplorable past.
Of course, the reason why he got booted from the kickstarter backers was because he was using their forums to promote his games. (I'm not on those forums, but that was the officially stated reason, and I've talked to friends that are and they've told me he did as was claimed.)
Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
Amazing actually.
Usually the simplest explanation is the right explanation. Or everyone is picking on poor CR for [insert reason] because CR is a pillar of truth and like George Washington he "cannot tell a lie" ... Its persecution.
I don't know the guy personally, I don't follow anything he says, his opinions have zero influence on my own opinion but if he is indeed as you say then he should certainly be avoided.
Which is why I cannot understand high profile members of the SC community seeking him out, seeking out the help of extremely controversial people like Kevin Dent and engaging in idiotic point scoring flame wars.
They moan and cry about all the attention Smart is getting and the damage it is causing to SC while increasing the attention themselves. I cannot believe they are stupid enough to not realise what effect their actions are causing so you have to wonder who exactly is the bigger troll.
Some very messed up people out there.
So, if i understand you correctly... only a few people pledged over 90 million dollars worth and "most" people pledged $50....
so what would be your basis for like a few?
let's say 1 million people pledged $50 - thats, 50 million dollars... and what like a few others pledged over a million dollars each for the lulz....
The amount of money does matter, because it's peoples money, peoples money they pledged into a game they believed in and now that is under scrutiny for very good reason, it doesn't matter if it's $50 or $1,000,000 you dropped on the game the other games you spent more on that were utter crap still at least delivered a game, which at this point isn't looking very promising for this game.
Once again though, the rabid fanboy deflections onto DS - The PupperMaster, barely even human anymore he's just a force of manipulation and strategy. should really move on from what this guy has or hasn't done with his own career he started something that has got it's own wings now and grown into it's own monster and without CIG doing the responsible thing and opening up a little, only time will tell how this all plays out.
765.414 people paid for a pledge package.
Total money gathered so far : 90,320,408 $
AVERAGE pledge : 118 $
Typical pledge (what you called .."most people pledged ...") will be below a hundred bucks, as some backers have pledged significantly more than the average.
Have fun
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
These are the type of people i am talking about.
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/2045769717/beatles_fan.jpg&imgrefurl=https://twitter.com/thecrazyfans&docid=-k4H0su2APs30M&tbnid=Gsj3-bepVGMP-M:&w=400&h=300&ved=0CAIQxiBqFQoTCLCD6NPfrcgCFcTaGgodDFICmg&iact=c&ictx=1
I only posted about star citizen after the arcticle was realeased i hadn't posted anything before that, but i had been following the game, it's not my type of game i only started following it because there was more and more posts on the forum about the game and this was way before this whole thing blew up.
But then again you wouldn't use that here because it doesn't suit this argument you are trying to make.
Even if they're completely wrong with their religion, their stupidity is easier to accept if you think it as their religion.
hes just as much a clown of the industry such as Peter Molyneux: a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table .
they have already said they are trying to make the game different from they originally planned so it's not far fecthed that a lot of monies might of been wasted that way.
I also said if they could stop selling ships because apparently chris has said they already have enough money for the game, so then people would be a lot less suspicious that they need more money to make the game.
The funny part is your statement "a man of big words but not much thing put down on the table " really fits CR to a tee.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
You were saying about click bait?
Wasn't your previous attempt merged into that main thread already?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
If you think Derek smart is a hero you haven't done your homework.
Derek Smart is a scam artist himself. Come on now!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!