As a former journalist, do you think it would have helped The Escapist overall, if they had chosen a writer without a history with a vocal opponent of the subject of the story to investigate and author the piece?
From the aspect of public perception yes. However the Hatfield's can write an article about the McCoy's if the information is properly sourced and there exists a reasonable belief in its veracity.
To give an example, my editors knew I had a major falling out with the Republican party from when I had worked a Congressional campaign and some dirty dealings happened, that didn't stop my from being allowed to cover the 2012 Presidential election.
If it is understandable why I may have read it that way then his response carries no merit. He just injected himself into the conversation in an effort to troll and it backfired on him. Next time I trust he will think twice before trying so hard to be "witty."
Oh really?
Actually a little chuckle and an apology to Sedryn would have been classy and cool. Instead of being rude.
Back fired eh? how so?
Think twice eh?
???
....... ask for clarification. This way things won't get out of hand. Respect begets respect.
Practice what you preach?
The other guy made a flat out statement you assumed XYZ, you were wrong and went on in very poor form.
Is funny I read the article found it rather humorously written as well as informative and saw no sarcasm in the other guys comment.
Be a big boy, take foot out of mouth and move on.
That article has me even more interested on how all this is going to play out though that is for sure.
Did you even bother to read the other posts before making your own assumptions about mine? Your point would have more merit had I been the only one who made the "assumption," but I wasn't. There were other posters who though the post was not only sarcastic but trollish as well. The fact that I wasn't the only one thinking this way lends credence to the fact that the post was misleading. If any clarification needed to be made at all, it should have been made by the writer of the post. I should not be expected to "assume" a clarification of the post no more than being expected to "assume" that it was not sarcastic. By saying that you found it funny, you are making your own assumptions that others should have found it funny as well. I did not, and obviously neither did others who responded in kind. That said ... how does that foot taste that you just stuck in your big mouth, big boy?
I don't care about the other posters past history or yours for that matter, I am not a jury or judge. I read an article like that other poster and found it to be written with some humor. The other guy posted about how it was funny. There is nothing there to speculate about or interpret. Many of us found it to be the same.
I really don't care if you or others have a beef with this guy because you think XYZ. I also would like this thread to continue on topic without the juvenile posturing. If you think it is a troll, use the report button and don't feed the troll.
Again, take foot out of mouth, move on and stop trying to defend your churlish behavior. Really your making yourself look like a bigger troll than the other guy with your repeated attempts to justify your poor and juvenile behavior.
For myself I will say no more as you obviously have far too much growing up to do to be able to have and adult conversation and I will instead use the report button if at some time I feel it needs to be used.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
I have one, big question for this.... And I guess posting @ one of the staff writers isn't enabled on the forums (I could see why)...
I wonder.. What does the staff here at MMORPG.com think about this scandal? Anything they're willing to go on record here on the forums and comment on? Just out of my morbid curiosity.
Bill all but called it a hit piece in his video
Ahh, haven't watched that particular video. Mind passing me a link please, sir?
And whatever editorial view mmorpg.com takes here, fact is, they were one of the first major outlets to give a voice to the concerns by interviewing DS and that gives them tons of credit- Especially if they think this ois all merely a "hit piece".
Buckle in, thew rides about to begin. I feel really sorry for those who are thousands of dollars in but...
As a former journalist, do you think it would have helped The Escapist overall, if they had chosen a writer without a history with a vocal opponent of the subject of the story to investigate and author the piece?
No not with Star Citizens fans apparently you get harrassed in the forums if you type anything negative about Star Citizen.
So you are a former journalist as well? If not, um yah I was asking a professional for their professional opinion sorry. If so, ty for your input.
You don't have to know journalism to answer what i did.
I am not trying to be rude mate, but I was specifically asking someone a question based on their professional opinion. You are free to have an opinion but if you haven't been a member of their profession you do not have a professional opinion.
Understand what i wrote, you must be able too if worked or still work as a journalist, As the mindset of some of Star Citizen fans have no i don't think they would of responded differently, only thing they wouldn't of been able to do is say this article as been set up by Derek Smart
/sigh... Again I was asking a trained professional for their opinion as I am interested in what they think.
Thanks again for your opinion. Now if you can't understand that you, as well as I, lack the training to have the specific insights that a professional speaking about their field would have I can't really think what else to say.
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Your self importance is officially noted.
One of the posters in this thread stated that they were a journalist. I quoted and asked them a question.
Yes it is a public forum about games but I believed their insight into that question could be relevant.
You do not have the expertise to answer the question. Nor do I.
As a former journalist, do you think it would have helped The Escapist overall, if they had chosen a writer without a history with a vocal opponent of the subject of the story to investigate and author the piece?
No not with Star Citizens fans apparently you get harrassed in the forums if you type anything negative about Star Citizen.
So you are a former journalist as well? If not, um yah I was asking a professional for their professional opinion sorry. If so, ty for your input.
You don't have to know journalism to answer what i did.
I am not trying to be rude mate, but I was specifically asking someone a question based on their professional opinion. You are free to have an opinion but if you haven't been a member of their profession you do not have a professional opinion.
Understand what i wrote, you must be able too if worked or still work as a journalist, As the mindset of some of Star Citizen fans have no i don't think they would of responded differently, only thing they wouldn't of been able to do is say this article as been set up by Derek Smart
/sigh... Again I was asking a trained professional for their opinion as I am interested in what they think.
Thanks again for your opinion. Now if you can't understand that you, as well as I, lack the training to have the specific insights that a professional speaking about their field would have I can't really think what else to say.
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Your self importance is officially noted.
One of the posters in this thread stated that they were a journalist. I quoted and asked them a question.
Yes it is a public forum about games but I believed their insight into that question could be relevant.
You do not have the expertise to answer the question. Nor do I.
Then you could of waited for their response and not act rude, usually when people start a sentence with i don't mean to be funny, they usually do.
This is getting good! I wonder if this goes into court those anonymous sources will have to go public? If I was escapist I would be a little worried witnesses would back out once it got too real. Will cig still give the tour they promised? Does Sandi bath in the blood of virgins to keep young looking skin? Tune in tomorrow to find out!!!!
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Trying to tell people who and should not be replying to comments.
There seems to be some hostility here. Flamebaiting another with your recurring remarks about CR's 'fanboys'. Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do... Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
As a former journalist, do you think it would have helped The Escapist overall, if they had chosen a writer without a history with a vocal opponent of the subject of the story to investigate and author the piece?
No not with Star Citizens fans apparently you get harrassed in the forums if you type anything negative about Star Citizen.
So you are a former journalist as well? If not, um yah I was asking a professional for their professional opinion sorry. If so, ty for your input.
You don't have to know journalism to answer what i did.
I am not trying to be rude mate, but I was specifically asking someone a question based on their professional opinion. You are free to have an opinion but if you haven't been a member of their profession you do not have a professional opinion.
Understand what i wrote, you must be able too if worked or still work as a journalist, As the mindset of some of Star Citizen fans have no i don't think they would of responded differently, only thing they wouldn't of been able to do is say this article as been set up by Derek Smart
/sigh... Again I was asking a trained professional for their opinion as I am interested in what they think.
Thanks again for your opinion. Now if you can't understand that you, as well as I, lack the training to have the specific insights that a professional speaking about their field would have I can't really think what else to say.
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Your self importance is officially noted.
One of the posters in this thread stated that they were a journalist. I quoted and asked them a question.
Yes it is a public forum about games but I believed their insight into that question could be relevant.
You do not have the expertise to answer the question. Nor do I.
Then you could of waited for their response and not act rude, usually when people start a sentence with i don't mean to be funny, they usually do.
I don't know where you are quoting me with --> i don't mean to be funny, but I was patient and explained my post even going out of my way to assure you I wasn't trying to be rude as text can be tone deaf. You continued to respond directly to me.
This is getting good! I wonder if this goes into court those anonymous sources will have to go public? If I was escapist I would be a little worried witnesses would back out once it got too real.
uhm it depends on how evidentiary goes forward if the court verifies (closed/sealed session?)the sources RSI has another decision to make. as they would not be holograms anymore. in that case they would have a higher burden of proof. and I'm not sure how whistle blower laws, libel/slander laws 1st amen and 4th amen all counter act here. Hopefully someone can answer that.
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Trying to tell people who and should not be replying to comments.
There seems to be some hostility here. Flamebaiting another with your recurring remarks about CR's 'fanboys'. Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do... Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
It has been said on this forum that is what happens, there is even been people saying you can get banned from the forum but i don't know how true that is.
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Trying to tell people who and should not be replying to comments.
There seems to be some hostility here. Flamebaiting another with your recurring remarks about CR's 'fanboys'. Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do... Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
It has been said on this forum that is what happens, there is even been people saying you can get banned from the forum but i don't know how true that is.
It's possible I guess. Some debates/discussions devolve into nothing more than arguments and ego measuring until nothing resembling logic or coherence remain. lol Just wondering
This is getting good! I wonder if this goes into court those anonymous sources will have to go public? If I was escapist I would be a little worried witnesses would back out once it got too real. Will cig still give the tour they promised? Does Sandi bath in the blood of virgins to keep young looking skin? Tune in tomorrow to find out!!!!
I think they have this all covered.
If CIG does whats clearly threatened to do- We'll see how it all plays out.
The sources have little to worry about,nor does the escapist. CIG on the other hand...Well, they just made this International news with their fully public weekend threat ... Not following through at this point is going to look bad...really bad (especially because theres more to come...Hopefully they were able to confirm the video they have as being legit...) and this will snowball.
I have one, big question for this.... And I guess posting @ one of the staff writers isn't enabled on the forums (I could see why)...
I wonder.. What does the staff here at MMORPG.com think about this scandal? Anything they're willing to go on record here on the forums and comment on? Just out of my morbid curiosity.
MMORPG.COM writes about the game play and they don't usually delve into investigative journalism of the companies, their working conditions, finances, etc. Which is fine, their focus is on playing the games which is also my primary interest and why I spend much more time here than at the other gaming news sites.
I suspect that with respect to pieces like what The Escapist wrote, they're just like us, interested gamer spectators.
There are other sites like Polygon, The Escapist, Kotaku, etc. that do cover the business side of gaming and the studios. That's their bailiwick. I no more expect this site to have much to say about this drama than I expect Kotaku to have intelligent things to say about how to approach the latest raid in a particular MMO.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
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“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Trying to tell people who and should not be replying to comments.
There seems to be some hostility here. Flamebaiting another with your recurring remarks about CR's 'fanboys'. Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do... Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
It has been said on this forum that is what happens, there is even been people saying you can get banned from the forum but i don't know how true that is.
This is getting good! I wonder if this goes into court those anonymous sources will have to go public? If I was escapist I would be a little worried witnesses would back out once it got too real.
uhm it depends on how evidentiary goes forward if the court verifies (closed/sealed session?)the sources RSI has another decision to make. as they would not be holograms anymore. in that case they would have a higher burden of proof. and I'm not sure how whistle blower laws, libel/slander laws 1st amen and 4th amen all counter act here. Hopefully someone can answer that.
Not entirely certain where Roberts is located or what jurisdiction he would be filing in but it would take extraordinary measures for him to prove a libel claim against the escapist. Essentially he would have to prove that the escapist knowingly published falsehoods about him and CIG which in this case is all but impossible unless he had proof they made up their sources statements.
This is getting good! I wonder if this goes into court those anonymous sources will have to go public? If I was escapist I would be a little worried witnesses would back out once it got too real.
uhm it depends on how evidentiary goes forward if the court verifies (closed/sealed session?)the sources RSI has another decision to make. as they would not be holograms anymore. in that case they would have a higher burden of proof. and I'm not sure how whistle blower laws, libel/slander laws 1st amen and 4th amen all counter act here. Hopefully someone can answer that.
Not entirely certain where Roberts is located or what jurisdiction he would be filing in but it would take extraordinary measures for him to prove a libel claim against the escapist. Essentially he would have to prove that the escapist knowingly published falsehoods about him and CIG which in this case is all but impossible unless he had proof they made up their sources statements.
be careful man, say his name 3 times and hes likely to show up.
I'm sure hes happy as hell. With the abuse hurled his way over this and the CR rant letter which was oddly about him and not the article and oddly confirming the "wife" rumor that "DS made up" according to many (even on the CIG forum) this last week has moved him towards total vindication.
And now things are reaching the point where this will be investigated and CIGs threats and money will only get them so far in hiding things. Its coming apart...
Did you even bother to read the other posts before making your own assumptions about mine? Your point would have more merit had I been the only one who made the "assumption," but I wasn't. There were other posters who though the post was not only sarcastic but trollish as well. The fact that I wasn't the only one thinking this way lends credence to the fact that the post was misleading. If any clarification needed to be made at all, it should have been made by the writer of the post. I should not be expected to "assume" a clarification of the post no more than being expected to "assume" that it was not sarcastic. By saying that you found it funny, you are making your own assumptions that others should have found it funny as well. I did not, and obviously neither did others who responded in kind. That said ... how does that foot taste that you just stuck in your big mouth, big boy?
I don't care about the other posters past history or your for that matter, I am not a jury or judge. I read an article like that other poster and found it to be written with some humor. The other guy posted about how it was funny. There is nothing there to speculate about or interpret. Many of us found it to be the same.
I really don't care if you or other have a beef with this guy because you think XYZ. I also would like this thread to continue on topic without the juvenile posturing.
Again, take foot out of mouth, move on and stop trying to defend your churlish behavior. Really your making yourself look like a bigger troll than the other guy with your repeated attempts to justify you poor and juvenile behavior.
For someone who doesn't care much about me you sure are putting a whole lot of effort into me. Apparently you care enough about me to bring back an issue that was done and over with. And just so you know, I care a lot less about you to not care about what you read and what you found humorous.
If you really wanted this thread to continue on topic without juvenile posturing you would have minded your business and let this issue rest. It was done and over with until you decided to bring it back with your internet tough guy routine. And for what purpose other than to troll yourself.
My only suggestion to you, and this is coming from the kindness of my heart, is learn to mind your business. This had been settled and over with. You added nothing to this discussion but to illuminate your own immaturity and juvenile behavior in thinking that by inflicting your internet tough guy routine it would change anything. It doesn't. All it makes you do is come across as being foolish and immature. Learn to mind your business next time.
I'm going to be watching the pledge levels closely. Something tells me this can be a lesson in if there really is any such thing as bad advertising.
"Backers! Act now and you can purchase the limited edition Litigator Cruiser! Take the fight to the enemy with this sleek cruiser and defend your allies! $900, and only available for a limited time!"
In all seriousness though, I suspect pledge levels will stay the same or rise slightly. There are a lot of backers who will buy more as they believe in the game or out of spite of the detractors.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Trying to tell people who and should not be replying to comments.
There seems to be some hostility here. Flamebaiting another with your recurring remarks about CR's 'fanboys'. Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do... Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
It has been said on this forum that is what happens, there is even been people saying you can get banned from the forum but i don't know how true that is.
Its okay hearsay is just as legit as facts right?
Shes right though- I have personal experience with this.
been warned and banned plenty (sometime I even deserve it...)
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Trying to tell people who and should not be replying to comments.
There seems to be some hostility here. Flamebaiting another with your recurring remarks about CR's 'fanboys'. Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do... Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
It has been said on this forum that is what happens, there is even been people saying you can get banned from the forum but i don't know how true that is.
Its okay hearsay is just as legit as facts right?
I have seen what some Star Citizens fans are like on this forum it doesn't sound so far fetched to me.
Shes right though- I have personal experience with this.
been warned and banned plenty (sometime I even deserve it...)
Yeah, I got a warning once for a post on the Guild Wars 2 forum. Everyone has their bad days.
You can also get one for calling out mods for not removing "I made $1M in 5 minutes you can too" spammers. What can I say had one too many that day as was a wee bit tipsy
Sorry wrong forum it's a gaming forum not one for journalists.
Trying to tell people who and should not be replying to comments.
There seems to be some hostility here. Flamebaiting another with your recurring remarks about CR's 'fanboys'. Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do... Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
It has been said on this forum that is what happens, there is even been people saying you can get banned from the forum but i don't know how true that is.
Its okay hearsay is just as legit as facts right?
Shes right though- I have personal experience with this.
been warned and banned plenty (sometime I even deserve it...)
I'm going to be watching the pledge levels closely. Something tells me this can be a lesson in if there really is any such thing as bad advertising.
"Backers! Act now and you can purchase the limited edition Litigator Cruiser! Take the fight to the enemy with this sleek cruiser and defend your allies! $900, and only available for a limited time!"
In all seriousness though, I suspect pledge levels will stay the same or rise slightly. There are a lot of backers who will buy more as they believe in the game or out of spite of the detractors.
See this is how crazy shit is (when you cannot tell whats parody...)
There was thread about SC at CIG or Reddit (not sure if its there anymore) where people seriously wanted a ship made called "defender" to be used to give funds to CIG to go after DS and even people who post on forums. No shit.
Man, I dont have a link because ive been mired in this shit and have seen so much I had to walk away for a bit (when you stare into the abyss and the abyss stares back lolz) but I swear to god. Some of these people are really crazy and when the shit bottoms out I cannot imagine what we're going to see with some of these fans and how they reason it out. Itll be DS, the escapist, forum trolls , GG at fault who killed poor CRs dream and took their money.
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To give an example, my editors knew I had a major falling out with the Republican party from when I had worked a Congressional campaign and some dirty dealings happened, that didn't stop my from being allowed to cover the 2012 Presidential election.
I really don't care if you or others have a beef with this guy because you think XYZ. I also would like this thread to continue on topic without the juvenile posturing. If you think it is a troll, use the report button and don't feed the troll.
Again, take foot out of mouth, move on and stop trying to defend your churlish behavior. Really your making yourself look like a bigger troll than the other guy with your repeated attempts to justify your poor and juvenile behavior.
For myself I will say no more as you obviously have far too much growing up to do to be able to have and adult conversation and I will instead use the report button if at some time I feel it needs to be used.
Brenics ~ Just to point out I do believe Chris Roberts is going down as the man who cheated backers and took down crowdfunding for gaming.
Looks like there will be more hit pieces to come.
And whatever editorial view mmorpg.com takes here, fact is, they were one of the first major outlets to give a voice to the concerns by interviewing DS and that gives them tons of credit- Especially if they think this ois all merely a "hit piece".
Buckle in, thew rides about to begin. I feel really sorry for those who are thousands of dollars in but...
One of the posters in this thread stated that they were a journalist. I quoted and asked them a question.
Yes it is a public forum about games but I believed their insight into that question could be relevant.
You do not have the expertise to answer the question. Nor do I.
Did someone report you in this thread or something? Unfortunate as that would be, I still see no reason for you constantly bringing up what you believe CR fans would/wouldn't do...
Discuss away, but leave the bait in the tackle box.
uhm it depends on how evidentiary goes forward if the court verifies (closed/sealed session?)the sources RSI has another decision to make. as they would not be holograms anymore. in that case they would have a higher burden of proof. and I'm not sure how whistle blower laws, libel/slander laws 1st amen and 4th amen all counter act here. Hopefully someone can answer that.
If CIG does whats clearly threatened to do- We'll see how it all plays out.
The sources have little to worry about,nor does the escapist. CIG on the other hand...Well, they just made this International news with their fully public weekend threat ... Not following through at this point is going to look bad...really bad (especially because theres more to come...Hopefully they were able to confirm the video they have as being legit...) and this will snowball.
Something tells me this can be a lesson in if there really is any such thing as bad advertising.
I suspect that with respect to pieces like what The Escapist wrote, they're just like us, interested gamer spectators.
There are other sites like Polygon, The Escapist, Kotaku, etc. that do cover the business side of gaming and the studios. That's their bailiwick. I no more expect this site to have much to say about this drama than I expect Kotaku to have intelligent things to say about how to approach the latest raid in a particular MMO.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Its okay hearsay is just as legit as facts right?
be careful man, say his name 3 times and hes likely to show up.
I'm sure hes happy as hell. With the abuse hurled his way over this and the CR rant letter which was oddly about him and not the article and oddly confirming the "wife" rumor that "DS made up" according to many (even on the CIG forum) this last week has moved him towards total vindication.
And now things are reaching the point where this will be investigated and CIGs threats and money will only get them so far in hiding things. Its coming apart...
For someone who doesn't care much about me you sure are putting a whole lot of effort into me. Apparently you care enough about me to bring back an issue that was done and over with. And just so you know, I care a lot less about you to not care about what you read and what you found humorous.
If you really wanted this thread to continue on topic without juvenile posturing you would have minded your business and let this issue rest. It was done and over with until you decided to bring it back with your internet tough guy routine. And for what purpose other than to troll yourself.
My only suggestion to you, and this is coming from the kindness of my heart, is learn to mind your business. This had been settled and over with. You added nothing to this discussion but to illuminate your own immaturity and juvenile behavior in thinking that by inflicting your internet tough guy routine it would change anything. It doesn't. All it makes you do is come across as being foolish and immature. Learn to mind your business next time.
In all seriousness though, I suspect pledge levels will stay the same or rise slightly. There are a lot of backers who will buy more as they believe in the game or out of spite of the detractors.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
been warned and banned plenty (sometime I even deserve it...)
I aint even going to say it.
Damn you MikeB
There was thread about SC at CIG or Reddit (not sure if its there anymore) where people seriously wanted a ship made called "defender" to be used to give funds to CIG to go after DS and even people who post on forums. No shit.
Man, I dont have a link because ive been mired in this shit and have seen so much I had to walk away for a bit (when you stare into the abyss and the abyss stares back lolz) but I swear to god. Some of these people are really crazy and when the shit bottoms out I cannot imagine what we're going to see with some of these fans and how they reason it out. Itll be DS, the escapist, forum trolls , GG at fault who killed poor CRs dream and took their money.