With respect to all those who place the start of SC development at 2011 ... lets agree to disagree. We interpret the available sources differently, some think it means 2011, others (like me) think it means sometime during 2012.
The OFFICIAL start date of Star Citizen development is written on Kickstarter.
After finally getting a good night’s sleep the team here at
Roberts Space Industries would all like to
thank you for helping us make history.
"
Have fun
I would agree to disagree if the demo he showed after that "past year" of work wasn't the majority of what the current hangar and dogfighting module amounts to.
That leaves your argument in a catch-22. If he came up with all that after less than a year of work, he should realistically be much, MUCH farther along after 3 years of work with a legitimate studio of help behind him. If he did spend a year, this is going on 4 years of development and the game is nowhere close to even being a feature complete beta. It all boils down to the lack of progress, really.
Chris Roberts: "...We’re already one year in - another two years puts us at 3 total which is ideal. Any more and things would begin to get stale."
But, to be fair, Erillion is right. Indeed the development started only earlier 2013. Roberts was pretending things in that earlier days to make his project funded. As the author of this article does not like the word 'lie' I am going to say then, that Roberts misrepresented.
Which does not help in the Roberts situation, actually. And he never changed actually. The deceptive approach still continues today, even that in part, without exit because it's obvious for more people than in the past, he says one or two things that are true, while lie, ops, misrepresent all the rest, and try to bury the past statements or twist them, which usually is enough to delude the superficial public and the superficial press, but not the backers who actually were there from the beginning and followed the project without the White-Knight t-shirt.
Obviously, despite been a few of the public who understand the deceptive attitude and decide to speak and not letting they walking free, since the majority just let it go without talk about it, Roberts feel that is ok to continue with the same approach again and again. But with the involvement of people like Derek Smart, which triggered the press too, now, many silent people and/or those who pursuit commitment and consumer respect, are now impacting more in the deceptive attitude of Roberts. It's becoming hard to him to deceive the public for money. And that's why he is becoming angry. Because, regarding this project, when the things are not made up, or pretended, people in general do not see any reason to pledge, and all reasons to stay away.
When I first heard of Star Citizen and saw it go over like 20 million quickly.. I was like.. What? Really? Why? Sadly it would continue to skyrocket and I realized this was bad. It could never live up to those lofty goals. ESpecially since they didn't stop and actually say.. ok.. We got so much money.. let us stop requesting more and lets release a game. Then after the game is a success.. we can use the money from the first game and make expansions.. or a sequel. Earn that money. But instead... they kept requesting that money. And that was the issue where I grew concerned. Then you had experienced employees leaving them... and it didn't take much to predict that yes this game has problems. Derek Smart? Why was he able to realize all of this? Because lets face it.. he is experienced with failure. So who better to recognize a project that was in distress then a game designer who has done the same thing. As far as Why people are so passionate about This game to the point they ignore reason and logic? Look at Apple? They have media that crow about Apple left and right despite the fact that apple has not seriously innovated since the original Iphone. Instead they are only copying what has come out now and they are still behind. They act as a company that is pro usa.. But they instead have most of their profits hidden in countries outside so they don't have to pay taxes.. but the media acts as they are a great representation of an american company.
When passion and emotion cloud the mind.. sadly you get the Star citizens of the world.
I would like share with you all, my personal experience, of creating/design a solution, implementing or coding that very own solution, and managing the very same project. Of course is related to software engineering, though not inparticular the same as creating a game, but its similar in many aspect (just not on the level of resources).
The main reason for this, is that many of you would give SC, CR and CIG a benefit of the doubt and continues to support them while questioning the motives of those who are skeptical. There are always two sides of the same coin. I am not basing on facts from other articles, simply from past experience. I am not here to try to influence or stating opinion on the matter at hand, simply to share a knowledge.
Note: I will try to relate my explanation of creating a game, to a building (they're different of course, but building is the most similar real life representation of a program/game).
In order to build a game, you will need a design or a building plan. The plan can be reworked and revised. In a game, the major component/point of focus are called the main feature(s). These are where you will focus your main resource. A good example is whether the game is online, or offline, or can support both, whether the game is FPS/simulation or strategy/tactical, or whether it is a 2D or a 3D. They are also more commonly known as main scope. In a building these like the difference of 30 story apartment or 100 acre mansion. You could not just decide, after spending your resources to build 30 story apartment switched to a 100 acre mansion. Its easier to abandon one and start over. In software its similar, more often you will reduce the scope or the feature to save the project (if its acceptable). Also, business wise, normaly you would never ever add a main feature on an ongoing project. Its more cost efficient to create a new one(sequel). If I create/publish a game called 'A' with features x, y, and z, it would be better (and cost effective) to create another game called 'A2' with enhance features a,b,c,d,...,x,y,z. In extreme its like having to decide you want a basement in your 100 acre mansion after building it halfway, its better to complate one, sell it, then create the 100 acre mansion with a basement.
Another element is called the sub features: these are the addons that are build around the main features. An example would be: cash shop/market and trading. You could not have a cash shop/market if the game does not allow trading. Pets, mounts, cosmetics, additional new classes (for rpg) are other examples.
After you have a plan, then you would only be able to calculate the amount of resource necessary and start making a schedule. This is where the project management starts, its basically trying to complete the project based on the plan right on schedule. More so then less, the schedule gets stretch, usually due to 'unforseen circumstances' (which means, some one 'fuc**d up' along the way). Adding a main feature will result in a change in plan, schedule, and resource, no amount of project management skill can prevent that. The best scenario for that is that the addition is completely modular and does not affect any other components. In my example before, if you already build a foundation for you 100 acre mansion, then you decided to add a basement, you probably have to destroy that foundation, dug the basement and recreate the foundation: how much you rework you need to do depends on the size of the basement (100 acre basement vs 10 acre basement).
I hope you gain a new perspectives from this. Again I am not trying to dissuade anyone from backing SC/CR/CGI. I am for one, understands the concerns of people with SC, especially after the project delays. They are well founded and normal.
And again I disagree. Justice is finally being served because people stopped just deciding to keep their head down.
It is easy to sit back in the armchair and call the plays after it is all said and done. It is easy to make a point now years later and not discuss the ridicule and embarrassment of the girls who all came forward one at a time over the years and were dismissed as liars and were denied jobs in their industry because they told the truth.
The games industry is just like the movie business. You do something wrong or squeal to the press and you suddenly find it hard to get a job licking the boots of people who used to work for you. Calling the people who suffered under Mr. Cosby cowards because they had kids to feed and didnt want to lose their jobs is nuts. This is why stories of corruption and misuse of money are always told after the fact in 95% of the cases.
How many people working on the game dark and light came forward during development? How many people who worked on Greedmonger came forward during development? Those were disasters and we all saw it coming and yet the employees/staff rode it to the end in order to keep their jobs. Measuring a companies worth by a lack of employee complaints to the media is crazy.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
With respect to all those who place the start of SC development at 2011 ... lets agree to disagree. We interpret the available sources differently, some think it means 2011, others (like me) think it means sometime during 2012.
The OFFICIAL start date of Star Citizen development is written on Kickstarter.
For those of us that have seen the announcement trailer and subsequent footage to come out, it seems like a hugely exciting project. How long have you been working on the game so far?
Chris: Basically I’ve been working with a small team over the course of the past year to get the early prototyping and production done. The team has varied in scale from just me, essentially, to about 10 people. That’s just the actual work though.
A year is 12 month's.
You have stated that you expect to have an Alpha up and going in about 12 months, with a beta roughly 10 months after that and then launch. For a game of this size and scope, do you think you can really be done in the next two years?
Really it is all about constant iteration from launch. The whole idea is to be constantly updating. It isn’t like the old days where you had to have everything and the kitchen sink in at launch because you weren’t going to come back to it for awhile. We’re already one year in - another two years puts us at 3 total which is ideal. Any more and things would begin to get stale.
Again, a year is 12 month's.
Hard to see how you can interpret what he say's to be anything less.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I do have to laugh at Erillion , he is the worse spokesman for this company, I mean if he isn't Roberts he sure the hell is his clone. Nothing he says can be taken as truth. Even if he is right you have to take it as bullshit.
Also this post proves nothing http://imperialnews.network/2015/10/innside-cig-thomas-hennessy/ and really have to wonder what they think this shows or proves? No one is going to believe this guy for the simple fact he would lose his job to work for anyone else if he says anything bad.
Roberts needs to stop the PR with this game, it is doing more harm.
Also my last point is people are saying all this is making people buy ships and is helping CIG. Maybe being as old as I am I have seen a lot of BS in my time and how marketing can be faked. I would not put it past Roberts to make it look like people are buying the ships, really if the company is in trouble, fake the books a little more isn't going to hurt.
But sooner or later those books are going to be looked at and then we will all know one way or another. I live for that day!
**** Meanwhile, hundreds of people who left CIG...... ****
Hundreds ??
Go easy on the meds, pal !
Have fun
Ad-hominem attacks don't help your argument, quite the contrary.
Kind find it funny people have been quite aggressive through this topic and many others, with name calling and what have you, Erillion, probably for the first time makes as mildly aggressive comment and people jump on it instantly.
@bruevitz ;That sounds interesting, but totally out of the scope/scenario of Star Citizen.
The Star Citizen project is far to be "common" or following any best practice of any development out there. Simply because they have a different scenario, where is more interesting (to those in charge) to make it as slow as possible than to deliver more results.
And the reason is simple and easy to see. Their money, since years now is gathered through ship sales, and those ship sales are supposed/promised to end "on release".
So, it's a manager/producer that does not manage the project, but instead, keep making things on the top of things, that are in fact, totally unnecessary or required to deliver a great experience to gamers.
He also micro-manages enough, to control the pace of the development I guess, which in the end, makes people lose the motivation, specially those more experience that understand that is a waste of time and fluff and only will cause more problems ahead, and cause more unnecessary rework. For meaningless stuff, that never should hold the release or be prioritized. It's not like stuff like that could be made/tried after release right? After all, the release won't be complete with all his promises anyway... See?
He waste backers money on things that are more focused to feed personal ego and/or to boost sales, than actually, again, deliver practical value to the backers. All that while he is 11 months behind the schedule, while pretending that he is not in debt and that people are all supportive - shielding himself behind a tiny cult of louder whales, that he helped to create and encourage to defend him no matter what, thinking more on defending him, than the project itself. Between these, you have also people willing to make money in the grey market and everything that they don't want, is the party of ship sales to end.
The "delay" of this project is because unrealistic estimates are given to the public to make as more as possible (specially whales) tied to it, looking to their offers and buying their stuff. People who stays following the project and don't buy anything, are actually, in the end of the day, seen as a "problem", an easy source of dissenters. People don't see, but are assuming Roberts as a retard, an idiot, not capable to estimate even easy stuff or consider that something is near to release, when in fact will take more 6 months, or an year to release. The Social module, which he claimed that would come out around 6 months later of Gamescon 2013, came almost 2 years later with less features than hyped on 2013. The FPS Module was are about to be released in April, with "great progress" in reports all the time, and then, well... it was not just delayed indefinitely, but an entire team was cut out of the deal, with the PR Machine pretending that is normal to cut out an entire team during the development of an Alpha, not a final product. Obviously, he is all optimist in the shows and statements, because behind his speech of hype and anticipation, there are expensive ship sales going on, limited, during the time that he is speaking.
It "delays" because is monetarily interest to Roberts and co. to delay, even that it is bad for the project for the company. It's far to be due "unforeseen circumstances'.
Its just managed with another objective than deliver. Just that.
Hard to see how you can interpret what he say's to be anything less.
He has his blinders on. He cant see reason or interpret information in any way that goes against his single minded focus that all is well at CIG and Mr. Roberts can do no wrong. We have shown posts of Roberts saying there would be no delay due to stretch goals and he ignores it. Nine different ex-employees came forward to the press and were verified but he ignores that. Now you show quotes from Roberts stating he has been working on the game for a year before Nov 2012 with a small team and guess what? He refuses to acknowledge it.
If you looked up this kind of behavior (ignoring the facts that dont support your own opinion) on Google what do you think you would find?
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
―
Stephen Hawking
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
**** Meanwhile, hundreds of people who left CIG...... ****
Hundreds ??
Go easy on the meds, pal !
Have fun
Ad-hominem attacks don't help your argument, quite the contrary.
Kind find it funny people have been quite aggressive through this topic and many others, with name calling and what have you, Erillion, probably for the first time makes as mildly aggressive comment and people jump on it instantly.
Just an observation
Many people here on forum are very critical of SC but have never used ad-hominem in their posts. Erillion is just showing how much is he emotionally involved in this issue. There is no place for negative emotions in a rational debate.
Many people here on forum are very critical of SC but have never used ad-hominem in their posts. Erillion is just showing how much is he emotionally involved in this issue. There is no place for negative emotions in a rational debate.
Yes there is The OP said he hates cucumbers I am offended. The gall
He has his blinders on. He cant see reason or interpret information in any way that goes against his single minded focus that all is well at CIG and Mr. Roberts can do no wrong.
No, he just has a different opinion. Obviously, my opinion also differs from his, but @Erillion has reasons and cites them for why he believes the way he does. I wouldn't be putting him in the same boat as those who have just downed their share of the koolaid.
There are plenty of good reasons to think SC is doing just fine. I happen to not believe that, but it's a completely valid stance to take.
Many people here on forum are very critical of SC but have never used ad-hominem in their posts. Erillion is just showing how much is he emotionally involved in this issue. There is no place for negative emotions in a rational debate.
Their forums, which are the only source/platform where their consumers can actually speak in their minds to be directly heard by the company and other consumers have another big issue that people are unaware.
They can't ban people because they criticize the game. Even if the person make a comment suggesting to other consumers that they should be careful because it sounds like a scam, a long con with the intent to benefit a few people behind the project, presenting the reasons why, the person should not be banned. They are breaking a consumer right with that, protected by the Federal Authorities.
It's very common in the CIG Forums to see people that are focusing on voicing concerns and demonstrating their lack of satisfaction, been quickly demonized, flamed, provoked and banned in the first name calling, while all those others that were name calling, offending, etc., get a free pass because "are behind CIG decisions".
Anyway, the own FTC came to public and told people what to do related to crowdfunded projects, if they suspect of consumer fraud, they should:
1-) report to FTC 2-) report to State GA 3-) alert other consumers in the platform where the crowdfunding is going on, so they be informed about the consumer suspects.
When consumers tried to exercise #3, in the only place that CIG crowdfunding platform allows them to do - in their forums - CIG will ban them. Legal authorities specialized in consumer issues will look to this and will consider such attitude a try to false advertise the game.
They claim that their forums are a "privilege", which is another bad faith try to dumb down the public about their rights. It would be, if they weren't doing crowdfunding. But they are doing crowdfunding, so it's not. They can't pretend that are doing crowdfunding to escape of certain responsibilities. The responsibilities exist and in fact are more responsibilities than even a pre-order. And that's the kind of thing that FTC have been clarifying, but CIG, despite aware of that, has been ignoring. Which demonstrates their bad faith on business.
For that and for other reasons/attitude of CIG, the fines will be strong.
Hard to see how you can interpret what he say's to be anything less.
He has his blinders on. He cant see reason or interpret information in any way that goes against his single minded focus that all is well at CIG and Mr. Roberts can do no wrong. We have shown posts of Roberts saying there would be no delay due to stretch goals and he ignores it. Nine different ex-employees came forward to the press and were verified but he ignores that. Now you show quotes from Roberts stating he has been working on the game for a year before Nov 2012 with a small team and guess what? He refuses to acknowledge it.
If you looked up this kind of behavior (ignoring the facts that dont support your own opinion) on Google what do you think you would find?
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
―
Stephen Hawking
Verified. Like hell. Their identities hidden, but lets agree they are real for a minute. Their VIEWS aren't verified as facts are they? They are disgruntled employees. Who has verified their claims? No one.
There are plenty of good reasons to think SC is doing just fine. I happen to not believe that, but it's a completely valid stance to take.
A stance is valid if it is backed by facts. You cannot be both right. They are doing a good job or they don't.
Sorry, I am just not into wishy washy rhetoric and I sincerely hope this is not too aggressive for some people.
Good point but NONE of this in the public domain is backed by facts. Its all supposition and panic - in both camps. Ergo, neither are 'right'. Time will tell.
There are plenty of good reasons to think SC is doing just fine. I happen to not believe that, but it's a completely valid stance to take.
A stance is valid if it is backed by facts. You cannot be both right. They are doing a good job or they don't.
Sorry, I am just not into wishy washy rhetoric and I sincerely hope this is not too aggressive for some people.
The problem remains in the entire games media side we have one ONE outlet that provided or fabricated(depending on ones viewpoint) anything of substance. No offense to the OP; but his OpEd, an OPED ffs; provided more relevent facts, admitedly filtered through his own viewpoint/experiences, than all other outlets combined since this broke. Till that changes there is a dearth of anything substantive on the ground to debate.
EDIT the rest of it has been re-hashing the same stuff from 2014 and earlier.
Verified. Like hell. Their identities hidden, but lets agree they are real for a minute. Their VIEWS aren't verified as facts are they? They are disgruntled employees. Who has verified their claims? No one.
So, ironically your Hawking quote is quite apt.
Some of those claims can be easily verified by the own answer that both Roberts and Ortwin sent to The Escapist. Besides, some of them were corroborated by past statements of ex-employees who left the project and did not speak anon. Ex.: Michael Morlan and an artist, besides that letter that the other guy publicized, recently, shared on Reddit and later by Derek Smart.
Particularly, I know that many of those accusations of bad behavior/attitude/ego are true, due discussions that I have with Roberts/Sandi/Lesnick earlier 2013. It became clear to me, since that time, that their behavior/attitude would cause harm to the project as a whole.
I just doubt of those statements about racism. The rest, seems true to me. She and Roberts will be good, only with people who put them in a god pedestal and always will consider what they say and do the best and right solution. In case of persisting one or two times to disagree, you quickly become a target for them. They get all personal and are not capable to learn or admit mistakes. Will put the guilty of their failed attitude/decisions on you. This is also corroborated by the own speech or Roberts when the matter is to justify anything. You will notice a standard. He never admit mistakes, or its pretty rare. Always the failure was due someone else, publishers, Fox, goons, evil backers, Derek Smart, press, etc., or the employee that he asked to do something crazy and it was a waste of time and did not work, despite that employee has alerted that it wouldn't.
But in case of the racism, probably someone that already was pissed of with the Sandi's attitude, got her making a joke and put in the top of legit complaints. But she is totally nonsense. He will say things that someone in her position/role never should. It does not matter if you are employee, consumer, or press. If you put doubts in anything that comes from her, or Roberts, you are hostile and will be treated like an enemy.
There are plenty of good reasons to think SC is doing just fine. I happen to not believe that, but it's a completely valid stance to take.
A stance is valid if it is backed by facts. You cannot be both right. They are doing a good job or they don't.
Sorry, I am just not into wishy washy rhetoric and I sincerely hope this is not too aggressive for some people.
Good point but NONE of this in the public domain is backed by facts. Its all supposition and panic - in both camps. Ergo, neither are 'right'. Time will tell.
We have some facts and they were presented over and over again. Delayed release of features and broken promises among other things are factual claims.
I do have to laugh at Erillion , he is the worse spokesman for this company, I mean if he isn't Roberts he sure the hell is his clone. Nothing he says can be taken as truth. Even if he is right you have to take it as bullshit.
You know, this goes both ways for you and a couple of others. Not being interested in or believing that a game won't achieve what it promises is a perfectly legit thing and in SC's case may come to pass. Spiting mindless hate and BS like the fake books you mention based on the "because i'm old and i have seen stuff" argument is just hilarious, no offense.
Verified. Like hell. Their identities hidden, but lets agree they are real for a minute. Their VIEWS aren't verified as facts are they? They are disgruntled employees. Who has verified their claims? No one.
So, ironically your Hawking quote is quite apt.
Some of those claims can be easily verified by the own answer that both Roberts and Ortwin sent to The Escapist. Besides, some of them were corroborated by past statements of ex-employees who left the project and did not speak anon. Ex.: Michael Morlan and an artist, besides that letter that the other guy publicized, recently, shared on Reddit and later by Derek Smart.
Particularly, I know that many of those accusations of bad behavior/attitude/ego are true, due discussions that I have with Roberts/Sandi/Lesnick earlier 2013. It became clear to me, since that time, that their behavior/attitude would cause harm to the project as a whole.
I just doubt of those statements about racism. The rest, seems true to me. She and Roberts will be good, only with people who put them in a god pedestal and always will consider what they say and do the best and right solution. In case of persisting one or two times to disagree, you quickly become a target for them. They get all personal and are not capable to learn or admit mistakes. But in case of the racism, probably someone that already was pissed of with the Sandi's attitude, got her making a joke and put in the top of legit complaints. But she is totally nonsense. He will say things that someone in her position/role never should. It does not matter if you are employee, consumer, or press. If you put doubts in anything that comes from her, or Roberts, you are hostile and will be treated like an enemy.
I can see that. In any management scenario there are disconnects in the nature and style of people. Its a mathematical certainty on near 300 people that some wont see eye to eye. Also certain that there will be strong personalities in the mix (or the company wouldn't succeed), and that people cant be positively interpreted or politically correct all the time.
But this doesn't mean the sky is falling, that CR is a crook or that the project is failing. Rationally, we cant simply believe everything an upset ex-employee implies or thinks is the case.
Not saying there isn't poor management or unhappy employees in the mix, nor that there is. I just don't feel any ex-employees statements should be taken as fact. Just like SmartyPants or CR himself. We just have to wait and see.
The main point is that naysayers here will make this a self fulfilling prophecy. Say it did have a reasonable chance of success. All the negative side of this noise cant really help, can it?
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Chris Roberts: "...We’re already one year in - another two years puts us at 3 total which is ideal. Any more and things would begin to get stale."
But, to be fair, Erillion is right. Indeed the development started only earlier 2013. Roberts was pretending things in that earlier days to make his project funded. As the author of this article does not like the word 'lie' I am going to say then, that Roberts misrepresented.
Which does not help in the Roberts situation, actually. And he never changed actually. The deceptive approach still continues today, even that in part, without exit because it's obvious for more people than in the past, he says one or two things that are true, while lie, ops, misrepresent all the rest, and try to bury the past statements or twist them, which usually is enough to delude the superficial public and the superficial press, but not the backers who actually were there from the beginning and followed the project without the White-Knight t-shirt.
Obviously, despite been a few of the public who understand the deceptive attitude and decide to speak and not letting they walking free, since the majority just let it go without talk about it, Roberts feel that is ok to continue with the same approach again and again. But with the involvement of people like Derek Smart, which triggered the press too, now, many silent people and/or those who pursuit commitment and consumer respect, are now impacting more in the deceptive attitude of Roberts. It's becoming hard to him to deceive the public for money. And that's why he is becoming angry. Because, regarding this project, when the things are not made up, or pretended, people in general do not see any reason to pledge, and all reasons to stay away.
When passion and emotion cloud the mind.. sadly you get the Star citizens of the world.
I would like share with you all, my personal experience, of creating/design a solution, implementing or coding that very own solution, and managing the very same project. Of course is related to software engineering, though not inparticular the same as creating a game, but its similar in many aspect (just not on the level of resources).
The main reason for this, is that many of you would give SC, CR and CIG a benefit of the doubt and continues to support them while questioning the motives of those who are skeptical. There are always two sides of the same coin. I am not basing on facts from other articles, simply from past experience. I am not here to try to influence or stating opinion on the matter at hand, simply to share a knowledge.
Note: I will try to relate my explanation of creating a game, to a building (they're different of course, but building is the most similar real life representation of a program/game).
- After you have a plan, then you would only be able to calculate the amount of resource necessary and start making a schedule. This is where the project management starts, its basically trying to complete the project based on the plan right on schedule. More so then less, the schedule gets stretch, usually due to 'unforseen circumstances' (which means, some one 'fuc**d up' along the way). Adding a main feature will result in a change in plan, schedule, and resource, no amount of project management skill can prevent that. The best scenario for that is that the addition is completely modular and does not affect any other components. In my example before, if you already build a foundation for you 100 acre mansion, then you decided to add a basement, you probably have to destroy that foundation, dug the basement and recreate the foundation: how much you rework you need to do depends on the size of the basement (100 acre basement vs 10 acre basement).
I hope you gain a new perspectives from this. Again I am not trying to dissuade anyone from backing SC/CR/CGI. I am for one, understands the concerns of people with SC, especially after the project delays. They are well founded and normal.The games industry is just like the movie business. You do something wrong or squeal to the press and you suddenly find it hard to get a job licking the boots of people who used to work for you. Calling the people who suffered under Mr. Cosby cowards because they had kids to feed and didnt want to lose their jobs is nuts. This is why stories of corruption and misuse of money are always told after the fact in 95% of the cases.
How many people working on the game dark and light came forward during development? How many people who worked on Greedmonger came forward during development? Those were disasters and we all saw it coming and yet the employees/staff rode it to the end in order to keep their jobs. Measuring a companies worth by a lack of employee complaints to the media is crazy.
A year is 12 month's.
Again, a year is 12 month's.
Hard to see how you can interpret what he say's to be anything less.
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
Also this post proves nothing http://imperialnews.network/2015/10/innside-cig-thomas-hennessy/ and really have to wonder what they think this shows or proves? No one is going to believe this guy for the simple fact he would lose his job to work for anyone else if he says anything bad.
Roberts needs to stop the PR with this game, it is doing more harm.
Also my last point is people are saying all this is making people buy ships and is helping CIG. Maybe being as old as I am I have seen a lot of BS in my time and how marketing can be faked. I would not put it past Roberts to make it look like people are buying the ships, really if the company is in trouble, fake the books a little more isn't going to hurt.
But sooner or later those books are going to be looked at and then we will all know one way or another. I live for that day!
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4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Just an observation
The Star Citizen project is far to be "common" or following any best practice of any development out there. Simply because they have a different scenario, where is more interesting (to those in charge) to make it as slow as possible than to deliver more results.
And the reason is simple and easy to see. Their money, since years now is gathered through ship sales, and those ship sales are supposed/promised to end "on release".
So, it's a manager/producer that does not manage the project, but instead, keep making things on the top of things, that are in fact, totally unnecessary or required to deliver a great experience to gamers.
He also micro-manages enough, to control the pace of the development I guess, which in the end, makes people lose the motivation, specially those more experience that understand that is a waste of time and fluff and only will cause more problems ahead, and cause more unnecessary rework. For meaningless stuff, that never should hold the release or be prioritized. It's not like stuff like that could be made/tried after release right? After all, the release won't be complete with all his promises anyway... See?
He waste backers money on things that are more focused to feed personal ego and/or to boost sales, than actually, again, deliver practical value to the backers. All that while he is 11 months behind the schedule, while pretending that he is not in debt and that people are all supportive - shielding himself behind a tiny cult of louder whales, that he helped to create and encourage to defend him no matter what, thinking more on defending him, than the project itself. Between these, you have also people willing to make money in the grey market and everything that they don't want, is the party of ship sales to end.
The "delay" of this project is because unrealistic estimates are given to the public to make as more as possible (specially whales) tied to it, looking to their offers and buying their stuff. People who stays following the project and don't buy anything, are actually, in the end of the day, seen as a "problem", an easy source of dissenters. People don't see, but are assuming Roberts as a retard, an idiot, not capable to estimate even easy stuff or consider that something is near to release, when in fact will take more 6 months, or an year to release. The Social module, which he claimed that would come out around 6 months later of Gamescon 2013, came almost 2 years later with less features than hyped on 2013. The FPS Module was are about to be released in April, with "great progress" in reports all the time, and then, well... it was not just delayed indefinitely, but an entire team was cut out of the deal, with the PR Machine pretending that is normal to cut out an entire team during the development of an Alpha, not a final product. Obviously, he is all optimist in the shows and statements, because behind his speech of hype and anticipation, there are expensive ship sales going on, limited, during the time that he is speaking.
It "delays" because is monetarily interest to Roberts and co. to delay, even that it is bad for the project for the company. It's far to be due "unforeseen circumstances'.
Its just managed with another objective than deliver. Just that.
If you looked up this kind of behavior (ignoring the facts that dont support your own opinion) on Google what do you think you would find?
“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
― Stephen Hawking
Erillion is just showing how much is he emotionally involved in this issue. There is no place for negative emotions in a rational debate.
There are plenty of good reasons to think SC is doing just fine. I happen to not believe that, but it's a completely valid stance to take.
They can't ban people because they criticize the game. Even if the person make a comment suggesting to other consumers that they should be careful because it sounds like a scam, a long con with the intent to benefit a few people behind the project, presenting the reasons why, the person should not be banned. They are breaking a consumer right with that, protected by the Federal Authorities.
It's very common in the CIG Forums to see people that are focusing on voicing concerns and demonstrating their lack of satisfaction, been quickly demonized, flamed, provoked and banned in the first name calling, while all those others that were name calling, offending, etc., get a free pass because "are behind CIG decisions".
Anyway, the own FTC came to public and told people what to do related to crowdfunded projects, if they suspect of consumer fraud, they should:
1-) report to FTC
2-) report to State GA
3-) alert other consumers in the platform where the crowdfunding is going on, so they be informed about the consumer suspects.
When consumers tried to exercise #3, in the only place that CIG crowdfunding platform allows them to do - in their forums - CIG will ban them. Legal authorities specialized in consumer issues will look to this and will consider such attitude a try to false advertise the game.
They claim that their forums are a "privilege", which is another bad faith try to dumb down the public about their rights.
It would be, if they weren't doing crowdfunding. But they are doing crowdfunding, so it's not. They can't pretend that are doing crowdfunding to escape of certain responsibilities. The responsibilities exist and in fact are more responsibilities than even a pre-order. And that's the kind of thing that FTC have been clarifying, but CIG, despite aware of that, has been ignoring. Which demonstrates their bad faith on business.
For that and for other reasons/attitude of CIG, the fines will be strong.
So, ironically your Hawking quote is quite apt.
Sorry, I am just not into wishy washy rhetoric and I sincerely hope this is not too aggressive for some people.
The problem remains in the entire games media side we have one ONE outlet that provided or fabricated(depending on ones viewpoint) anything of substance. No offense to the OP; but his OpEd, an OPED ffs; provided more relevent facts, admitedly filtered through his own viewpoint/experiences, than all other outlets combined since this broke. Till that changes there is a dearth of anything substantive on the ground to debate.
EDIT the rest of it has been re-hashing the same stuff from 2014 and earlier.
Meanwhile, hundreds of people who left CIG......
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Hundreds ??
Still waiting on a clarification on that point.
Is this intended to mean that hundreds of employees have left CIG since its founding in April 2012 ?
Have fun
Particularly, I know that many of those accusations of bad behavior/attitude/ego are true, due discussions that I have with Roberts/Sandi/Lesnick earlier 2013. It became clear to me, since that time, that their behavior/attitude would cause harm to the project as a whole.
I just doubt of those statements about racism. The rest, seems true to me. She and Roberts will be good, only with people who put them in a god pedestal and always will consider what they say and do the best and right solution. In case of persisting one or two times to disagree, you quickly become a target for them. They get all personal and are not capable to learn or admit mistakes. Will put the guilty of their failed attitude/decisions on you. This is also corroborated by the own speech or Roberts when the matter is to justify anything. You will notice a standard. He never admit mistakes, or its pretty rare. Always the failure was due someone else, publishers, Fox, goons, evil backers, Derek Smart, press, etc., or the employee that he asked to do something crazy and it was a waste of time and did not work, despite that employee has alerted that it wouldn't.
But in case of the racism, probably someone that already was pissed of with the Sandi's attitude, got her making a joke and put in the top of legit complaints. But she is totally nonsense. He will say things that someone in her position/role never should. It does not matter if you are employee, consumer, or press. If you put doubts in anything that comes from her, or Roberts, you are hostile and will be treated like an enemy.
But this doesn't mean the sky is falling, that CR is a crook or that the project is failing. Rationally, we cant simply believe everything an upset ex-employee implies or thinks is the case.
Not saying there isn't poor management or unhappy employees in the mix, nor that there is. I just don't feel any ex-employees statements should be taken as fact. Just like SmartyPants or CR himself. We just have to wait and see.
The main point is that naysayers here will make this a self fulfilling prophecy. Say it did have a reasonable chance of success. All the negative side of this noise cant really help, can it?