.... but if they ever make it to a complete working Alpha, or even, Beta, perhaps then the 'milestone' claims will be justified.....
Let us remember .... (self proclaimed ;-) "experts in the field" told us this "cannot be made".
Well... obviously it can be made as Manchester has shown ... so the label "milestone of the genre" may well be justified when the game launches.
Have fun
Manchester made for an impressive demo. How that will actually PLAY as a game will determine if it is a milestone of the genre, and for that we need to get the toy in our hands.
And no, they did not make what DS talked about. They did something completely different that looks like it does exactly what he said could not be done. For the end user same/same (so win for the gamers), from a technical point very different though.
No supprice here. That is how humanity constantly gets around "impossible". Don't do the impossible, do something that substitues the impossible in a credible way. It is what magicians do for a living. Does not mean they do the impossible every day, they just make it look like that...
DS failure was not to accept the limitation and see the illusion as a credible alternative instead.
A curiosity on the total citizens vs. people who pledged (or any other designation):
I purchased an AMD video card a while back and the promo they were running at the time offered Star Citizen as a free reward for the purchase. I finally got around to redeeming the code and was given a $60 coupon to use toward a Mustang Omega ship. To redeem this, I naturally had to register on the RSI site.
My hunch would be that I am now considered a 'Citizen' and in the 'pledged' category. I would assume I am considered to have pledged $60 though I can't believe any cut from AMD was actually that much. In the case where the average pledge is around $90, I would actually bring that down some. That said, even counted as $60, RSI's take should be realistically less.
Again, this is based of my 'hunch' and 'assumptions' (say what you will about those). Just food for thought given all the numbers that are thrown around. I wonder how many other people picked up a "$xx package" related to a promotion and what actual $ amount that translated to for RSI. Or, am I just completely wrong?
At any rate, I'm registered now so I need to go get fitted for a cheerleader outfit. "rah rah rah...GO RSI!" (lemme know if I'm doing it right)
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
A curiosity on the total citizens vs. people who pledged (or any other designation):
I purchased an AMD video card a while back and the promo they were running at the time offered Star Citizen as a free reward for the purchase. I finally got around to redeeming the code and was given a $60 coupon to use toward a Mustang Omega ship. To redeem this, I naturally had to register on the RSI site.
My hunch would be that I am now considered a 'Citizen' and in the 'pledged' category. I would assume I am considered to have pledged $60 though I can't believe any cut from AMD was actually that much. In the case where the average pledge is around $90, I would actually bring that down some. That said, even counted as $60, RSI's take should be realistically less.
Again, this is based of my 'hunch' and 'assumptions' (say what you will about those). Just food for thought given all the numbers that are thrown around. I wonder how many other people picked up a "$xx package" related to a promotion and what actual $ amount that translated to for RSI. Or, am I just completely wrong?
At any rate, I'm registered now so I need to go get fitted for a cheerleader outfit. "rah rah rah...GO RSI!" (lemme know if I'm doing it right)
It's so popular now to slam on a company trying to create one of the most innovative games ever without the help of a soulless AAA publisher and I continue to wonder why that is. I hope anyone hopping on the Star Citizen critics bandwagon now will opt to shut the fuck up when the next generic EA game hits the shelves.
I think I will continue to bring up my concerns for SC just like I do of EA when I run into crappy games.
I remember back when someone asked: who would want a computer in their home? I remember when a gig of ram was not even an option by a quarter of that. What's my point? Someone had to develop these things, someone made them and improved them even when people said ti was impossible.
Someone has to push the envelope, why not CIG? Who is saying they can't come up with new ways to defeat the issues they face? They certainly have the budget and experience to do so, as much as anyone else.
I just feel like every time these "knowledgeable" people chime in it sounds like: If I can't do it, no one can. And I just do not buy that any more.
Going to the moon seemed pretty impossible less than a lifetime ago.
Just us being here... at the edge of our galaxy... orbiting around a Black hole... talking about this shit, proves that anything is possible.
I remember back when someone asked: who would want a computer in their home? I remember when a gig of ram was not even an option by a quarter of that. What's my point? Someone had to develop these things, someone made them and improved them even when people said ti was impossible.
Someone has to push the envelope, why not CIG? Who is saying they can't come up with new ways to defeat the issues they face? They certainly have the budget and experience to do so, as much as anyone else.
I just feel like every time these "knowledgeable" people chime in it sounds like: If I can't do it, no one can. And I just do not buy that any more.
Going to the moon seemed pretty impossible less than a lifetime ago.
Just us being here... at the edge of our galaxy... orbiting around a Black hole... talking about this shit, proves that anything is possible.
Alas CIG don't have a budget of $150 billion (adjusted for inflation).
I remember back when someone asked: who would want a computer in their home? I remember when a gig of ram was not even an option by a quarter of that. What's my point? Someone had to develop these things, someone made them and improved them even when people said ti was impossible.
Someone has to push the envelope, why not CIG? Who is saying they can't come up with new ways to defeat the issues they face? They certainly have the budget and experience to do so, as much as anyone else.
I just feel like every time these "knowledgeable" people chime in it sounds like: If I can't do it, no one can. And I just do not buy that any more.
Going to the moon seemed pretty impossible less than a lifetime ago.
Just us being here... at the edge of our galaxy... orbiting around a Black hole... talking about this shit, proves that anything is possible.
Alas CIG don't have a budget of $150 billion (adjusted for inflation).
Are we being sarcastic? Or are you really making that comparison?
I remember back when someone asked: who would want a computer in their home? I remember when a gig of ram was not even an option by a quarter of that. What's my point? Someone had to develop these things, someone made them and improved them even when people said ti was impossible.
Someone has to push the envelope, why not CIG? Who is saying they can't come up with new ways to defeat the issues they face? They certainly have the budget and experience to do so, as much as anyone else.
I just feel like every time these "knowledgeable" people chime in it sounds like: If I can't do it, no one can. And I just do not buy that any more.
Going to the moon seemed pretty impossible less than a lifetime ago.
Just us being here... at the edge of our galaxy... orbiting around a Black hole... talking about this shit, proves that anything is possible.
Alas CIG don't have a budget of $150 billion (adjusted for inflation).
Are we being sarcastic? Or are you really making that comparison?
It's so popular now to slam on a company trying to create one of the most innovative games ever without the help of a soulless AAA publisher and I continue to wonder why that is. I hope anyone hopping on the Star Citizen critics bandwagon now will opt to shut the fuck up when the next generic EA game hits the shelves.
I can see how my cheerleader comment could come across negatively, but it wasn't really meant to be anything more then silly, but don't dismiss the rest of my post as a slam. I can understand being a bit defensive though given the past month or two of posts.
I've been casually following the game and, in all fairness, I could have chosen a number of other games from the AMD promotion. That said, I chose SC and I do hope it delivers. I just found it interesting, given all the discussion about numbers, how I might have come to be counted without actually spending money directly on SC. I wonder how, if at all, that adjusts the picture when considering other people who did this or other promotions.
I acknowledge that some of my assumptions could be wrong and stated as much. If I misunderstood, or misstated anything, then correct me. I'm here to discuss an interesting topic and add some information that I had not seen discussed thus far. No agenda.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
PS: The AMD version ship skin of the Mustang looks cool :-)
Thanks. I noticed it was an "AMD edition" which appears to be a different paint job then the non-AMD edition(?), but it does look pretty neat. Excited for the day I get to fly it. Not sure if this is something I can do in the game's current state, but regardless, I'll wait until closer to release anyhow. I'm not in any rush.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Thanks. I noticed it was an "AMD edition" which appears to be a different paint job then the non-AMD edition(?), but it does look pretty neat. Excited for the day I get to fly it. Not sure if this is something I can do in the game's current state, but regardless, I'll wait until closer to release anyhow. I'm not in any rush.
Reminds me of a Ferrari ;-)
Its one of the best racing ships in the 'Verse ... and yes, racing is something you can do for a long time already in SC with your ship:
Have fun
[mod edit: Broken Picture is broken]
PS: Of course you can do the fighting scenarios too (like Vanduul Swarm etc.)
That was a great read and thank you for posting it.
I remember back when someone asked: who would want a computer in their home? I remember when a gig of ram was not even an option by a quarter of that. What's my point? Someone had to develop these things, someone made them and improved them even when people said ti was impossible.
Someone has to push the envelope, why not CIG? Who is saying they can't come up with new ways to defeat the issues they face? They certainly have the budget and experience to do so, as much as anyone else.
I just feel like every time these "knowledgeable" people chime in it sounds like: If I can't do it, no one can. And I just do not buy that any more.
It depends on who the person is and what their agenda is.
A great example is the snake oil being sold by the developers of the Euclidean Voxel engine. They made absurd claims when trying to raise funding for their engine. John Carmack, who regularly pushed teh envelope, explained why it was at least five years away and he was an expert I trusted. It turned out he was correct and those Euclidean guys were scam artists.
Derek Smart is in no way a trusted expert in this. He's never shown the ability to push the envelope or even to deliver a game close to industry standards. He may indeed have inside contacts though, but I don't really care about what he has to say.
The lead developer of Ascent also doesn't strike me as a qualified expert for something of this scope. For that I'd want to hear from developers like DICE or Valve or Bungie.
The simple fact is that CIG needs to put up or shut up. It would be in their best interest to be more transparent and to cut back on microtransactions until they actual deliver the game.
Still I can't get over every argument you guys have has to bring Smart into it! When everything points to Roberts wasting money (hate repeating this over and over but it is true)! Also you say Smart doesn't push the envelope, yet no matter what his games are like they have made money so isn't that the real point of any developer to make money? Then where you have Roberts who hasn't made a game in what 12 years and never by himself, in fact this would be the first he made on his own!
After this long you would think Roberts could release some type of game, it should at least be in early alpha, yet we don't see it. I agree with @FrodoFragins where Roberts needs to put up or shutup and in fact stop attacking anyone (including Smart) that says anything against him just wasting money and not delivering anything that actually looks like a game.
I really do wish he would of just stuck with his original idea and all this would be behind him. The sad part is this looks like it will keep going on till he either is forced to close from being out of cash or he does finally release a game.
That was a great read and thank you for posting it.
I remember back when someone asked: who would want a computer in their home? I remember when a gig of ram was not even an option by a quarter of that. What's my point? Someone had to develop these things, someone made them and improved them even when people said ti was impossible.
Someone has to push the envelope, why not CIG? Who is saying they can't come up with new ways to defeat the issues they face? They certainly have the budget and experience to do so, as much as anyone else.
I just feel like every time these "knowledgeable" people chime in it sounds like: If I can't do it, no one can. And I just do not buy that any more.
The simple fact is that CIG needs to put up or shut up. It would be in their best interest to be more transparent and to cut back on microtransactions until they actual deliver the game.
This is the bit that confuses me. Microstansations I could agree, but the transparent part, I don't know how they can get anymore transparent.
They have weekly videos talking to all the teams and what they're currently up to, they have a Q&A every so often with CR, devs, designers, etc. They have web kind of show talking about bugs they encounter and how they resolve them there and then and a lot more.
I'm not sure how more open they can get tbh, not sound like a fanboi, but I don't know any other company that does all that . Information is all there, but people don't want to listen to it /shrug
Brenics ... We are still waiting for you to show any proof that CIG is wasting money.
Have fun
Of course there is no proof, he has to show the books for us to see that. But I do put a lot of stock into what one of the ex devs said they only had 8m left. I also believe it even more by Roberts selling more and more ships, even bring ships back he said he would never sell again.
Also reading the Roberts forums I see there are upset people on how the game hasn't been released yet and also about him reselling the ships I brought up above. I notice how fast those threads are locked.
Also he can put a million videos up every week that still doesn't tell us how the so called game is progressing and how much money he has to play with to get that so called game to alpha release.
Like I stated in other posts, funny how anything anyone says against the game is false and bull yet what ever Roberts and his people say are fact. You do realize that is hard to swallow right?
There are always upset people... in almost every forum. The negative people voice their concerns and happy or satisfied backers just keep quiet and wait. That's normal.
A unhappy customer more likely writes something negative or just voices his concern as he thinks he did not get what he wanted (does not matter if he is right or wrong).
Chris Roberts has not attacked anyone regularly or frequently. The only time he (over-)reacted was when the Escapist article was released. That is all. We know where the source of the attacks are coming from. And I do not count some negative or critical articles as this is normal. I am talking about playing Snake in a Suit and damaging just because.
We provided enough sources that showed the financial situation made by some people who put a lot of work into it. You just seem to ignore them, Brenic, as always.
Fact is that CIG does not need to open their books. Also what do you hope to find? Do you honestly believe that any company would do that? Do you know how many sharks out there just want to bite through something like that? It would damage CIG in some serious ways as their basis for negotiations would have a low stand be it with future employees or any other contracting party.
And yes Mr. Smart will always be mentioned. People who did their job and educated themselves in this matter properly and know the backgrounds and his past know what's going on.
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And no, they did not make what DS talked about. They did something completely different that looks like it does exactly what he said could not be done. For the end user same/same (so win for the gamers), from a technical point very different though.
No supprice here. That is how humanity constantly gets around "impossible". Don't do the impossible, do something that substitues the impossible in a credible way. It is what magicians do for a living. Does not mean they do the impossible every day, they just make it look like that...
DS failure was not to accept the limitation and see the illusion as a credible alternative instead.
I purchased an AMD video card a while back and the promo they were running at the time offered Star Citizen as a free reward for the purchase. I finally got around to redeeming the code and was given a $60 coupon to use toward a Mustang Omega ship. To redeem this, I naturally had to register on the RSI site.
My hunch would be that I am now considered a 'Citizen' and in the 'pledged' category. I would assume I am considered to have pledged $60 though I can't believe any cut from AMD was actually that much. In the case where the average pledge is around $90, I would actually bring that down some. That said, even counted as $60, RSI's take should be realistically less.
Again, this is based of my 'hunch' and 'assumptions' (say what you will about those). Just food for thought given all the numbers that are thrown around. I wonder how many other people picked up a "$xx package" related to a promotion and what actual $ amount that translated to for RSI. Or, am I just completely wrong?
At any rate, I'm registered now so I need to go get fitted for a cheerleader outfit. "rah rah rah...GO RSI!" (lemme know if I'm doing it right)
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I think I will continue to bring up my concerns for SC just like I do of EA when I run into crappy games.
Just us being here... at the edge of our galaxy... orbiting around a Black hole... talking about this shit, proves that anything is possible.
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Have fun
PS:
The AMD version ship skin of the Mustang looks cool :-)
"Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
I've been casually following the game and, in all fairness, I could have chosen a number of other games from the AMD promotion. That said, I chose SC and I do hope it delivers. I just found it interesting, given all the discussion about numbers, how I might have come to be counted without actually spending money directly on SC. I wonder how, if at all, that adjusts the picture when considering other people who did this or other promotions.
I acknowledge that some of my assumptions could be wrong and stated as much. If I misunderstood, or misstated anything, then correct me. I'm here to discuss an interesting topic and add some information that I had not seen discussed thus far. No agenda.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Thanks. I noticed it was an "AMD edition" which appears to be a different paint job then the non-AMD edition(?), but it does look pretty neat. Excited for the day I get to fly it. Not sure if this is something I can do in the game's current state, but regardless, I'll wait until closer to release anyhow. I'm not in any rush.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Its one of the best racing ships in the 'Verse ... and yes, racing is something you can do for a long time already in SC with your ship:
Have fun
[mod edit: Broken Picture is broken]
PS:
Of course you can do the fighting scenarios too (like Vanduul Swarm etc.)
2nd picture on your post is set to be 5595703125 pixels high. Could you somehow edit it, it breaks the topic completely.
Have fun
A great example is the snake oil being sold by the developers of the Euclidean Voxel engine. They made absurd claims when trying to raise funding for their engine. John Carmack, who regularly pushed teh envelope, explained why it was at least five years away and he was an expert I trusted. It turned out he was correct and those Euclidean guys were scam artists.
Derek Smart is in no way a trusted expert in this. He's never shown the ability to push the envelope or even to deliver a game close to industry standards. He may indeed have inside contacts though, but I don't really care about what he has to say.
The lead developer of Ascent also doesn't strike me as a qualified expert for something of this scope. For that I'd want to hear from developers like DICE or Valve or Bungie.
The simple fact is that CIG needs to put up or shut up. It would be in their best interest to be more transparent and to cut back on microtransactions until they actual deliver the game.
After this long you would think Roberts could release some type of game, it should at least be in early alpha, yet we don't see it. I agree with @FrodoFragins where Roberts needs to put up or shutup and in fact stop attacking anyone (including Smart) that says anything against him just wasting money and not delivering anything that actually looks like a game.
I really do wish he would of just stuck with his original idea and all this would be behind him. The sad part is this looks like it will keep going on till he either is forced to close from being out of cash or he does finally release a game.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Have fun
They have weekly videos talking to all the teams and what they're currently up to, they have a Q&A every so often with CR, devs, designers, etc. They have web kind of show talking about bugs they encounter and how they resolve them there and then and a lot more.
I'm not sure how more open they can get tbh, not sound like a fanboi, but I don't know any other company that does all that . Information is all there, but people don't want to listen to it /shrug
https://www.youtube.com/user/RobertsSpaceInd/videos
Also reading the Roberts forums I see there are upset people on how the game hasn't been released yet and also about him reselling the ships I brought up above. I notice how fast those threads are locked.
Also he can put a million videos up every week that still doesn't tell us how the so called game is progressing and how much money he has to play with to get that so called game to alpha release.
Like I stated in other posts, funny how anything anyone says against the game is false and bull yet what ever Roberts and his people say are fact. You do realize that is hard to swallow right?
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
A unhappy customer more likely writes something negative or just voices his concern as he thinks he did not get what he wanted (does not matter if he is right or wrong).
Chris Roberts has not attacked anyone regularly or frequently. The only time he (over-)reacted was when the Escapist article was released. That is all. We know where the source of the attacks are coming from. And I do not count some negative or critical articles as this is normal. I am talking about playing Snake in a Suit and damaging just because.
We provided enough sources that showed the financial situation made by some people who put a lot of work into it. You just seem to ignore them, Brenic, as always.
Fact is that CIG does not need to open their books. Also what do you hope to find? Do you honestly believe that any company would do that? Do you know how many sharks out there just want to bite through something like that? It would damage CIG in some serious ways as their basis for negotiations would have a low stand be it with future employees or any other contracting party.
And yes Mr. Smart will always be mentioned. People who did their job and educated themselves in this matter properly and know the backgrounds and his past know what's going on.
Have fun