This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab.
Do you even realize that the real drama will come from when entitled "backers" realize that their investment the size of a small country's defense budget will be negated by some half decent grinding.. =P That will be glorious.
Knowing many of my fellow EVE players waiting for SC to start ...
There will be MASSIVE carebear tears on day one as countless solo piloted big ships without escorts will be slaughtered by hordes of cheap disposable fighters and screaming maniacs boarding these ships. Which will quickly increase the number and might of pirate kingdoms out in the lawless systems ...
Outfitted with these "cheap" new big ships the pirates will come back on Day 2 and do it again ... this time in style .... maybe even fighting off the advocacy for a while until they capture the next wave of flashy expensive ships through boarding actions.
That may well continue until people wise up and use player marines and player escort flyers.
And for how many years before that WoT only offered premium items for Real World Cash ?
Take your time .... I am in no hurry ;-)
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Since day one.
I'm sorry, how does that make you less wrong about premium ammo? I asked you to stick to the facts since you are such a stickler for them yourself.
Let me again remind you of the point i made.
Star Citizen design principle. EVERYTHING
can be bought in game with in game money only. NO ITEM is exclusively
available only for real world cash.
Other games: Various items/tanks/ships/planes with better stats than the normal items are ONLY available for real world cash and cannot be attained only by playing the game and buying with in game currency.
World of Tanks is (and has been for many years) one of these "Other Games". They still have premium stuff you can ONLY get with real world cash. They may have changed it for premium ammo for the last year, but for the 4 years before that they happily sold it for cash. Like they still do with many vehicles ... you may take note that many of them ONLY have a monetary tag attached, no in game "gold" price.
Pretty much yes Also i was not being ironic...(i made it sound like that i realized) You need to make the game very accesable to keep a healthy population... But as you say... The pirates at the start will have a glorious time.
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Have fun
Just wanted to toss this suggestion out there for you. Get rid of the "Have fun" thing.
This may seem silly, but for whatever reason closings like that irritate people. Since you seem to come across to many as a shill, adding something that pokes at people, especially on a subconscious level, doesn't help you come across as genuine or get your message across any more effectively.
Just an observation. Do with it what you will.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
A buggy costs 15.000 UEC. I suspect even the smallest spaceship costs more than 10 times the value of a small open golfcart. But that is just guesswork at the moment.
What we do know is info from the devs: you cannot buy ships with that special wallet.
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Roberts says the opposite here (timestamp 44mins 56 secs)
"I really want that cool ship but I only want to play 2 hours, so I don't mind spending a "little?" bit of money to have some extra credits so I can go buy that."
Sounds exactly like you buy UEC with cash, the UEC gets added to your current capital and you buy whatever it is you want. No differentation at all.
This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab.
Do you even realize that the real drama will come from when entitled "backers" realize that their investment the size of a small country's defense budget will be negated by some half decent grinding.. =P That will be glorious.
Because that is how you keep your game populated.
They have always stated that everything sold in the stores could be aquired ingame (atleast pretaining to the ships).
The bonus to buying the ship vs grinding for it ingame is that insurance / replacement you get when buying it vs the grinding method where you pay for the ship and then turn around and also pay for the insurance on the ship. Where the store bought ships have the lifetime insurance included with the store purchase.
So you never have to actually purchase ships with real money to get them. The ships where always there for people that wanted a legup at the start of the game and as a way to raise funding.
For me I just have a basic starter package. I do not have any real intentions of buying additional ships or stuff because part of playing a game is the process of aquiring these other ships via ingame means. It's sort of like buying world of warcraft and getting a instant level capped toon. To me it feels like missing out on the actual game itself. But thats just my opinions of it.
Roberts says the opposite here (timestamp 44mins 56 secs)
"I really want that cool ship but I only want to play 2 hours, so I don't mind spending a "little?" bit of money to have some extra credits so I can go buy that."
Sounds exactly like you buy UEC with cash, the UEC gets added to your current capital and you buy whatever it is you want. No differentation at all.
Ah, the Gamestar Gamescon 2014 interview. I was there in person in the crowd :-) Its easy to answer that one: He corrected himself later (guess his team reminded him) that ships cannot be bought that way.
So far (Okt 2015) the official stance is: "No ships, but skins/temp. tuning kits/basic modules etc."
Chris Roberts gave a quite detailed long answer to those questions in the forums.
Just wanted to toss this suggestion out there for you. Get rid of the "Have fun" thing.
This may seem silly, but for whatever reason closings like that irritate people. Since you seem to come across to many as a shill, adding something that pokes at people, especially on a subconscious level, doesn't help you come across as genuine or get your message across any more effectively.
Just an observation. Do with it what you will.
Suggestion noted. Effect known. Usage deliberate.
I use such closings in various forums and settings for decades... usually different ones. For mmorpg.com its:
Like I said before if Roberts pulls this off he could go down as one of the greatest developers of all time.
Well ... he already IS one of the best known developers .... since Wing Commander etc.
Have fun
Actually I forgot about him until all of this SC started going around. Now like Smedly, Lord British, or McQuid those are the famous one's (they really are the one's that made the industry). CR was never really on my radar or really on others that I know. Right now he isn't famous for a game he is famous for the biggest KS of all time.
Also if he does not pull this off, he will be famous but not like he or you may be wanting him to be. Just saying him and his wife could go down in history as the one's that made the great game or the one's that ruined the industry. Time will tell!
So which station do I dock at to buy my lifetime insurance on my first Aurora when I get in game?
To my knowledge (from dev answers) basically every location with a spawn point will offer insurance for a trivial amount of money. So there wont be a difference between lifetime insurance and normal insurance.
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Have fun
Just wanted to toss this suggestion out there for you. Get rid of the "Have fun" thing.
This may seem silly, but for whatever reason closings like that irritate people. Since you seem to come across to many as a shill, adding something that pokes at people, especially on a subconscious level, doesn't help you come across as genuine or get your message across any more effectively.
Just an observation. Do with it what you will.
End every reply to his posts with "I'm having fun." Problem solved. Psychology reversed.
Or spend six years "interviewing" some of the most evil men ever to walk the earth. At which point the psychological effect of "have fun" is "lol, that's a cute, made for TV, entry-level psych technique".
Ah, the Gamestar Gamescon 2014 interview. I was there in person in the crowd :-) Its easy to answer that one: He corrected himself later (guess his team reminded him) that ships cannot be bought that way. So far (Okt 2015) the official stance is: "No ships, but skins/temp. tuning kits/basic modules etc." Chris Roberts gave a quite detailed long answer to those questions in the forums.
Have fun
Any chance of getting a link to that post because 1 month ago in the 10ftC #65 he said:
"Medinchen asks: I know a (lot) of games, where the gameplay was destroyed by bots and gold sellers. How will you prevent this?
A: ... or you know people who don’t have a lot of time but they
really want that shiny, brand new weapon or that shiny new ship. So,
they’re like, ‘you know I’m just going to buy some UEC this month or
this week so I can go and buy that thing I want instead of going out
there and flying ten missions to earn the money inside the game.
So, we
are essentially, with caps, we’re going to be selling the equivalent of
gold so when you can buy it through the source that’s a big difference
than getting it from somewhere else...."
From my understanding of the Citizencon live presentation, once the ability to make UEC is added to the Crusader v.0 portion, we may be able to get a speculative estimate of the time requirements for UEC accumulation. I may be wrong, however.
read what was written on that topic. To me it seems you did not.
Listen to a lot of international gaming journalists that have taken a close look at the system proposed by CIG and have declared it a "NOT P2W" system. If you do not want to read, watch a vblog.
Then you would know that CIG has said that they will NOT sell full ships after "Launch Day". Only ship skins and temporary tuning kits and such things. And that the UEC wallets are deliberately limited to a size that you cannot buy a full ship.
They WILL offer new "mission discs" that continue the storyline. They DO have an in game store for skins, kits, basic modules etc.
But there is an overarching design principle: EVERYTHING can be bought in game with in game money only. NO ITEM is exclusively available only for real world cash (like World of Tanks Premium Ammo or such things).
And based on what we have heard from CIG, it will take only a moderate amount of time to earn enough in game money to buy such stuff. Hours, days ... weeks for the really big stuff ... certainly not months or years. And the extremely large stuff (like Bengal carrier) can not be bought anyway but needs to be earned in game. Same goes for exceptional modules ("military hardware").
And all of what i have written above was - literally - said thousands of times before and can easily be found via Google.
Have fun
And you believe them? With the prices they are getting now for funding Ships?
I'm not even going to ask you about trusting Media nowadays... I'll leave that sidebar alone...
If you want to trust them go ahead, your right and your choice. Not me. I see "sucker" written with a sharpy on everyone's foreheads who trusts in this kind of funding.
I do hope I am wrong and someday I will have to eat my words. Until then I will spend money on only released MMOs, not MMOs that may or may not be vaporware. For your sake I hope you are right in your faith of this project's ultimate success and launch (success defined by a Player's point of view, not an Investor's).
Lol the guy wasted 7+ million on voice actors, with no game even built, there isnt much hope in this working out. Not to mention the serious over the top pay 2 win, business model they have going on. Hey guys you want to start off the top dog on the street, dont you worry none, we will sell you this 2500 dollar ship, and those poor credit-less NOOBS wont have anything on you.
Btw did i mention, if you want a whole fleet of them, don't worry either we got all kinds of concepts of ships, we will sell you. Complete soon with gambling boxes to go with it, don't you worry your toes. We will slap new ships right in there, 100 bucks a ticket. haha
Ah, the Gamestar Gamescon 2014 interview. I was there in person in the crowd :-) Its easy to answer that one: He corrected himself later (guess his team reminded him) that ships cannot be bought that way. So far (Okt 2015) the official stance is: "No ships, but skins/temp. tuning kits/basic modules etc." Chris Roberts gave a quite detailed long answer to those questions in the forums.
Have fun
Any chance of getting a link to that post because 1 month ago in the 10ftC #65 he said:
"Medinchen asks: I know a (lot) of games, where the gameplay was destroyed by bots and gold sellers. How will you prevent this?
A: ... or you know people who don’t have a lot of time but they
really want that shiny, brand new weapon or that shiny new ship. So,
they’re like, ‘you know I’m just going to buy some UEC this month or
this week so I can go and buy that thing I want instead of going out
there and flying ten missions to earn the money inside the game.
So, we
are essentially, with caps, we’re going to be selling the equivalent of
gold so when you can buy it through the source that’s a big difference
than getting it from somewhere else...."
So those who have already paid 1k for that nice shiny battleship will need to dump a ton more money into the game to hire things to help protect and fly said ship. Yea its a perfect money grab and perfect pay to win game scenario. Those who work hard will be competing directly with those who spend tons of cash. Look at how this ruins game economies. Dumping money into the game for gold causing prices to go crazy high. Yea this is working just like Archeage but with much more upkeep required to keep the stuff you already own.
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Because that is how you keep your game populated.
This have been a good conversation
Knowing many of my fellow EVE players waiting for SC to start ...
There will be MASSIVE carebear tears on day one as countless solo piloted big ships without escorts will be slaughtered by hordes of cheap disposable fighters and screaming maniacs boarding these ships. Which will quickly increase the number and might of pirate kingdoms out in the lawless systems ...
Outfitted with these "cheap" new big ships the pirates will come back on Day 2 and do it again ... this time in style .... maybe even fighting off the advocacy for a while until they capture the next wave of flashy expensive ships through boarding actions.
That may well continue until people wise up and use player marines and player escort flyers.
Have fun
This have been a good conversation
This may seem silly, but for whatever reason closings like that irritate people. Since you seem to come across to many as a shill, adding something that pokes at people, especially on a subconscious level, doesn't help you come across as genuine or get your message across any more effectively.
Just an observation. Do with it what you will.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
Roberts says the opposite here (timestamp 44mins 56 secs)
"I really want that cool ship but I only want to play 2 hours, so I don't mind spending a "little?" bit of money to have some extra credits so I can go buy that."
Sounds exactly like you buy UEC with cash, the UEC gets added to your current capital and you buy whatever it is you want. No differentation at all.
The bonus to buying the ship vs grinding for it ingame is that insurance / replacement you get when buying it vs the grinding method where you pay for the ship and then turn around and also pay for the insurance on the ship. Where the store bought ships have the lifetime insurance included with the store purchase.
So you never have to actually purchase ships with real money to get them. The ships where always there for people that wanted a legup at the start of the game and as a way to raise funding.
For me I just have a basic starter package. I do not have any real intentions of buying additional ships or stuff because part of playing a game is the process of aquiring these other ships via ingame means. It's sort of like buying world of warcraft and getting a instant level capped toon. To me it feels like missing out on the actual game itself. But thats just my opinions of it.
He corrected himself later (guess his team reminded him) that ships cannot be bought that way.
So far (Okt 2015) the official stance is: "No ships, but skins/temp. tuning kits/basic modules etc."
Chris Roberts gave a quite detailed long answer to those questions in the forums.
Have fun
I use such closings in various forums and settings for decades... usually different ones. For mmorpg.com its:
Have fun
Also if he does not pull this off, he will be famous but not like he or you may be wanting him to be. Just saying him and his wife could go down in history as the one's that made the great game or the one's that ruined the industry. Time will tell!
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
http://www.spaceadventures.com/
Lord British already was there ;-)
Have fun
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Have fun
Have fun
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
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I rectify some incorrect statements (usually with quotes and links to relevant information).
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Or spend six years "interviewing" some of the most evil men ever to walk the earth. At which point the psychological effect of "have fun" is "lol, that's a cute, made for TV, entry-level psych technique".
Any chance of getting a link to that post because 1 month ago in the 10ftC #65 he said:
"Medinchen asks: I know a (lot) of games, where the gameplay was destroyed by bots and gold sellers. How will you prevent this?
A: ... or you know people who don’t have a lot of time but they really want that shiny, brand new weapon or that shiny new ship. So, they’re like, ‘you know I’m just going to buy some UEC this month or this week so I can go and buy that thing I want instead of going out there and flying ten missions to earn the money inside the game.
So, we are essentially, with caps, we’re going to be selling the equivalent of gold so when you can buy it through the source that’s a big difference than getting it from somewhere else...."
That was a personal communication in Germany in 2014.
Lets see what CIG will do come Launch Day.
Have fun
I may be wrong, however.
Have a good day
Btw did i mention, if you want a whole fleet of them, don't worry either we got all kinds of concepts of ships, we will sell you. Complete soon with gambling boxes to go with it, don't you worry your toes. We will slap new ships right in there, 100 bucks a ticket. haha
So those who have already paid 1k for that nice shiny battleship will need to dump a ton more money into the game to hire things to help protect and fly said ship. Yea its a perfect money grab and perfect pay to win game scenario. Those who work hard will be competing directly with those who spend tons of cash. Look at how this ruins game economies. Dumping money into the game for gold causing prices to go crazy high. Yea this is working just like Archeage but with much more upkeep required to keep the stuff you already own.