It is possible since they are limiting how much a paying player can buy. They would have to figure how much gold a normal player is capable of making in a day and limit that to how much you can purchase. That would allow the people who just want to pay to be competitive with those who have time to play. GW2 sells gold for cash but the economy is stable enough to handle it. Can they produce an economy that won't be hugely affected by the cash shop. *cough* Archeage *cough*
Please try to refrain from using the words "limiting" "pay" "pay to win" "economy" or any combination of those in your responses. We don't speak of it lest he will come.
It is possible since they are limiting how much a paying player can buy. They would have to figure how much gold a normal player is capable of making in a day and limit that to how much you can purchase. That would allow the people who just want to pay to be competitive with those who have time to play. GW2 sells gold for cash but the economy is stable enough to handle it. Can they produce an economy that won't be hugely affected by the cash shop. *cough* Archeage *cough*
Please try to refrain from using the words "limiting" "pay" "pay to win" "economy" or any combination of those in your responses. We don't speak of it lest he will come.
It is possible since they are limiting how much a paying player can buy. They would have to figure how much gold a normal player is capable of making in a day and limit that to how much you can purchase. That would allow the people who just want to pay to be competitive with those who have time to play. GW2 sells gold for cash but the economy is stable enough to handle it. Can they produce an economy that won't be hugely affected by the cash shop. *cough* Archeage *cough*
Please try to refrain from using the words "limiting" "pay" "pay to win" "economy" or any combination of those in your responses. We don't speak of it lest he will come.
This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab. Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched. Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs. You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now. Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches. We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month. But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player. I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game? At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module. Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights. I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.
Dude this is not even an MMO what the hell are you talking about? You buy the game your done, what's with needing to spend 15 to 20 bucks per month in order to enjoy the game? Why are you comparing a single player game with a multiplayer option to Archeage?
This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab. Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched. Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs. You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now. Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches. We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month. But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player. I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game? At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module. Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights. I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.
Dude this is not even an MMO what the hell are you talking about? You buy the game your done, what's with needing to spend 15 to 20 bucks per month in order to enjoy the game? Why are you comparing a single player game with a multiplayer option to Archeage?
EH? You didn't know star citizen was going to be a mmo?
This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab. Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched. Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs. You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now. Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches. We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month. But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player. I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game? At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module. Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights. I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.
Dude this is not even an MMO what the hell are you talking about? You buy the game your done, what's with needing to spend 15 to 20 bucks per month in order to enjoy the game? Why are you comparing a single player game with a multiplayer option to Archeage?
EH? You didn't know star citizen was going to be a mmo?
LOL funny isn't it, most don't have a clue what CR has said he was making.
This game is going to be a huge pay to win money grab. Look it is already doing these things and hasn't even launched. Sure it looks good but so did Archeage and many other games that turn out to be nothing more then gimmick pay to win money grabs. You think how much people are pouring into an unfinished game right now. Imagine how much more horrible it will be when the game launches. We can just hope that a casual player can enjoy this game for 15-20$ a month. But I believe its gonna cost well over 100$ a month just for a casual player. I mean how many space ships can you fit into one game? At one point you will see over 100 different ships for sale and 100 different guns for the fps module. Then 100 different space suits for the zero gravity fights. I don't think it will stop and I believe it will get a lot worse.
That is why I gave up on MMOs, they are all P2W garbage games. You know that 100 a month buys a really nice 2016 Suzki King Quad There is no Pay 2 Win in the woods haha.
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Have fun
"They (Star Citizen) are NOT doing this for the money." ~ Erillion
I know, you can sense the altruism all over their webpage. They are not trying to sell spaceships at all. They doing this basically for free.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Have fun
"They (Star Citizen) are NOT doing this for the money." ~ Erillion
I know, you can sense the altruism all over their webpage. They are not trying to sell spaceships at all. They doing this basically for free.
Hilarious!
The COMPANY is there to make money. That is what companies do. That is how they pay their employees.
In my opinion: The PEOPLE working on Star Citizen are not doing it for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers. As I said before: I know some people that worked on the "Lord of the Rings" movie - they were not in that team for the pay either. I saw the same dedication in members of both teams.
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Have fun
"They (Star Citizen) are NOT doing this for the money." ~ Erillion
I know, you can sense the altruism all over their webpage. They are not trying to sell spaceships at all. They doing this basically for free.
Hilarious!
The COMPANY is there to make money. That is what companies do. That is how they pay their employees.
In my opinion: The PEOPLE working on Star Citizen are not doing it for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers. As I said before: I know some people that worked on the "Lord of the Rings" movie - they were not in that team for the pay either. I saw the same dedication in members of both teams.
Have fun
So why even do a crowdfunding when the employees would work for free? I want to see how many of these dedicated employees would have continue without pay.
In my opinion: You have officially crossed the line from dedicated fan to rambling fool.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
So why even do a crowdfunding when the employees would work for free? I want to see how many of these dedicated employees would have continued without pay.
No one is speaking about working for free. Programmers have to eat and pay for their appartments too. They get paid. Companies need to make money to pay them. But in my opinion those people i met are not there for the money ... they could earn signficantly more elsewhere. It was my impression that they wanted to be part of a project that may become one of the milestones of computer gaming history (like e.g. Wing Commander). And that dedication showed.
So why even do a crowdfunding when the employees would work for free? I want to see how many of these dedicated employees would have continued without pay.
No one is speaking about working for free. Programmers have to eat and pay for their appartments too. They get paid. Companies need to make money to pay them. But in my opinion those people i met are not there for the money ... they could earn signficantly more elsewhere. It was my impression that they wanted to be part of a project that may become one of the milestones of computer gaming history (like e.g. Wing Commander). And that dedication showed.
Have fun
You went from:
"They are NOT doing this for money."
To:
"Of cause they do this for the money, duh! They are a company. The employees would take less because they like it, maybe, we don't know, i am making this shit up as i go and i am desperately backpedaling."
Let's just leave it at that because that foot can't go any deeper into your mouth, trust me!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Let me guess - you have never met anyone from CIG in person, have you ?
Here is my personal impression and opinion: They are NOT doing this for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers.
Have fun
"They (Star Citizen) are NOT doing this for the money." ~ Erillion
I know, you can sense the altruism all over their webpage. They are not trying to sell spaceships at all. They doing this basically for free.
Hilarious!
The COMPANY is there to make money. That is what companies do. That is how they pay their employees.
In my opinion: The PEOPLE working on Star Citizen are not doing it for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers. As I said before: I know some people that worked on the "Lord of the Rings" movie - they were not in that team for the pay either. I saw the same dedication in members of both teams.
So why even do a crowdfunding when the employees would work for free? I want to see how many of these dedicated employees would have continued without pay.
No one is speaking about working for free. Programmers have to eat and pay for their appartments too. They get paid. Companies need to make money to pay them. But in my opinion those people i met are not there for the money ... they could earn signficantly more elsewhere. It was my impression that they wanted to be part of a project that may become one of the milestones of computer gaming history (like e.g. Wing Commander). And that dedication showed.
Have fun
You went from:
"They are NOT doing this for money."
To:
"Of cause they do this for the money, duh! They are a company. The employees would take less because they like it, maybe, we don't know, i am making this shit up as i go and i am desperately backpedaling."
Let's just leave it at that because that foot can't go any deeper into your mouth, trust me!
Well no, his points stands. While these people would most likely happily do this work for free, they still need to pay bills. Unfortunately we don't live in such a world where people can work for free.
There's a big difference between wanting money out of greed and needing it to live. You seem to be trying to blur the line between the two
So why even do a crowdfunding when the employees would work for free? I want to see how many of these dedicated employees would have continued without pay.
No one is speaking about working for free. Programmers have to eat and pay for their appartments too. They get paid. Companies need to make money to pay them. But in my opinion those people i met are not there for the money ... they could earn signficantly more elsewhere. It was my impression that they wanted to be part of a project that may become one of the milestones of computer gaming history (like e.g. Wing Commander). And that dedication showed.
Have fun
You went from:
"They are NOT doing this for money."
To:
"Of cause they do this for the money, duh! They are a company. The employees would take less because they like it, maybe, we don't know, i am making this shit up as i go and i am desperately backpedaling."
Let's just leave it at that because that foot can't go any deeper into your mouth, trust me!
Well no, his points stands. While these people would most likely happily do this work for free, they still need to pay bills. Unfortunately we don't live in such a world where people can work for free.
There's a big difference between wanting money out of greed and needing it to live. You seem to be trying to blur the line between the two
I love how people tend to play around with how words are to be taken. Either the written word is taken at it's face value or you play political word games and what you feel they should mean.
I have to go with how MrSnuffies took it and read it as what each word actually means.
Actually because the game is still in development nobody knows what the final product will look like. The original backers were told the game would launch some time ago. The developers can have the best of intentions but stuff happens along the way that nobody can predict. People can say read this and read that but the simple fact of the matter is that plans change along the way.
I'm not on any side of the fence here. I just see how games in development have worked over the years. Seldom has a game lived up to it's hype. Seldom has it played as well as a lot of players wanted it too.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
I remember hearing in the news (And looking it up a second ago), that they were offering a ship for sale, called The Javelin. Only 200 were made available at a point in time, and each sold for $2,500. The ship in question? A 345 Meter Destroyer, which looks -quite- formidable when compared to the tiny 18 Meter Fighter that "Basic" pledge members start off with. Now, while its possible that yes, at some point in time, people -will- be able to get this ship in game, the sheer power of this behemoth of a ship compared to everyone else at an early stage just seems...overwhelming. Not so much "Buying a hero in Smite/Dota" as starting off a match at level 15. People will eventually get to you...but the early game power just seems...staggering. An extreme example, but one that was done in the past (Currently, the Javelin is unavailable for sale, after selling out all 200 of them.)
Most of the current ones for sale fall into Medium/Heavy Fighters, or Explorer ships, which seem like they would offer still substantial increases..so while it may not be "Pay to Win" in the strict sense, it -does- offer some manner of advantage the same that buying a higher level character outfitted with dungeon gear in a more traditional MMO would...and it feels a little...distasteful.
Actually if you purchase the $15000 package, you are given the ability to purchase a Javelin for another 2500.
I remember hearing in the news (And looking it up a second ago), that they were offering a ship for sale, called The Javelin. Only 200 were made available at a point in time, and each sold for $2,500. The ship in question? A 345 Meter Destroyer, which looks -quite- formidable when compared to the tiny 18 Meter Fighter that "Basic" pledge members start off with. Now, while its possible that yes, at some point in time, people -will- be able to get this ship in game, the sheer power of this behemoth of a ship compared to everyone else at an early stage just seems...overwhelming. Not so much "Buying a hero in Smite/Dota" as starting off a match at level 15. People will eventually get to you...but the early game power just seems...staggering. An extreme example, but one that was done in the past (Currently, the Javelin is unavailable for sale, after selling out all 200 of them.)
Most of the current ones for sale fall into Medium/Heavy Fighters, or Explorer ships, which seem like they would offer still substantial increases..so while it may not be "Pay to Win" in the strict sense, it -does- offer some manner of advantage the same that buying a higher level character outfitted with dungeon gear in a more traditional MMO would...and it feels a little...distasteful.
Actually if you purchase the $15000 package, you are given the ability to purchase a Javelin for another 2500.
Hey guys you want to start off the top dog on the street, dont you worry none, we will sell you this 2500 dollar ship, and those poor credit-less NOOBS wont have anything on you.
Except that your Javelin has no weapons and no military equipment installed. Its a hull only.
The poor NOOBS will cripple your thrusters and board you and capture the Javelin.
Not QUITE Top Dog ....
Have fun
I love how you ignore a few little things, like they could always but credits to help outfit that ship, they could buy ships to sell for credits to outfit that ship, oh ya and they get to start with that ship to outfit. Everyone else has to earn credits to get the ship before they can even start outfitting it.
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LOL I wonder who you are speaking about :P
*Dons robe and pulls out the big book of chants*
Derek Smart
Derek Smart
Derek Smart
*laughs maniacally and walks away*
If you want a new idea, go read an old book.
In order to be insulted, I must first value your opinion.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
Have fun
I know, you can sense the altruism all over their webpage. They are not trying to sell spaceships at all. They doing this basically for free.
Hilarious!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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In my opinion:
The PEOPLE working on Star Citizen are not doing it for money. They are making real a lifelong dream of theirs, with the help of us backers. As I said before: I know some people that worked on the "Lord of the Rings" movie - they were not in that team for the pay either. I saw the same dedication in members of both teams.
Have fun
So why even do a crowdfunding when the employees would work for free? I want to see how many of these dedicated employees would have continue without pay.
In my opinion:
You have officially crossed the line from dedicated fan to rambling fool.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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They get paid. Companies need to make money to pay them. But in my opinion those people i met are not there for the money ... they could earn signficantly more elsewhere. It was my impression that they wanted to be part of a project that may become one of the milestones of computer gaming history (like e.g. Wing Commander). And that dedication showed.
Have fun
"They are NOT doing this for money."
To:
"Of cause they do this for the money, duh! They are a company. The employees would take less because they like it, maybe, we don't know, i am making this shit up as i go and i am desperately backpedaling."
Let's just leave it at that because that foot can't go any deeper into your mouth, trust me!
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Cocaine and hookers aren't cheap, either.
Sorry but the only "lifelong dream" being realized here is making bucketloads of cash.
There's a big difference between wanting money out of greed and needing it to live. You seem to be trying to blur the line between the two
I have to go with how MrSnuffies took it and read it as what each word actually means.
Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
I'm not on any side of the fence here. I just see how games in development have worked over the years. Seldom has a game lived up to it's hype. Seldom has it played as well as a lot of players wanted it too.
"We all do the best we can based on life experience, point of view, and our ability to believe in ourselves." - Naropa "We don't see things as they are, we see them as we are." SR Covey
https://robertsspaceindustries.com/pledge/Combos/The-Completionist-Digital
Well how generous of them!
Poor logic is poor.