I think consoles are killing pc games the most. Game makers are putting more energy into consoles and allowing more pc games to be ported broken or incomplete.
It's PC gamers their own fault they get trash compared to consoles.
PC gamers buy trash.
PC gamers support the industry of half-finished games, indie trash, failed kickstarter projects, bugged games, F2P ripoffs, microtransaction MMO from Korea that last 2 months, etc.
PCs have become the dumping ground for low quality games because PC gamers, for some inexplicable reason, are not standing up to indie / steam and kickstarter crap.
PCs are the platform for basement programmers. It's the platform where 4 people can make an unfinished low quality kickstarter MMO.
When you buy and support trash, you will keep getting trash.
Insane, best games that I have played this year were Kickstarter funded. Yes, lets all play EAs CoD25th rehash of the same thing. In fact I find that consoles have no games that I would want to play, yes they are polished and not buggy and AAA projects but to me I have either already played some iteration of it or they are just boring. Cut scenes and voiceovers are not gameplay, however exciting they may look.
So in fact all those you criticize are actually pushing the gaming industry forward across all platforms as inevitably it is copied by console, mobile etc.
PC is cutting edge and testing ground gaming, all other platforms get the mechanics that work after some time, polished and dumbed down for them.
Those 4 people making an unpolished MMO are where anything that is worth something in gaming happens.
I feel like the mobile market, f2p, paid alpha, and never ending beta has decimated pc gaming. A quick look at what's on the horizon in the pc gaming world leads me to believe, it's dead we just aren't admitting it. The excitement is centered around mobile games and new tablets that can run old games on min settings.
Edit , it's high end that is dead, or exclusive pc only content, moba I could hardly ever count as a game because I think they are boring, but today I don't have to count them as a pc game because you can play them on a tablet.
Just because there is not any fun content for you does not mean the market is dead. You are not the benchmark for PC gaming.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
No, because I have played so many games, i cannot get excited by the same thing done with slightly better graphics and less buggy. I enjoy playing something new, a new setting, new mechanics, new systems. Look at that permadeath MMO being made, it might work it might not. If it works eventually all platforms will have something like it.
So in fact all those you criticize are actually pushing the gaming industry forward across all platforms as inevitably it is copied by console, mobile etc.
If you think kickstarter games and indie games on steam are "pushing the industry forward" you are delusional.
In fact, some of the best AAA developers, have LEFT PC gaming in favor of console gaming.
How about rebirth of isometric RPGs, how about Elite Dangerous and Start Citizen (if it gets done), 3d flight where you can go from environment into ship and back, atmospheric flight and landing. As I said permadeath MMO, things like minecraft or space engineers, Ark Survival, and so on an on. All a thousand times more innovative than Bungie and Interactive movies.
Some things work, some dont but if anything worthwhile is going to happen its on PC
I feel like the mobile market, f2p, paid alpha, and never ending beta has decimated pc gaming. A quick look at what's on the horizon in the pc gaming world leads me to believe, it's dead we just aren't admitting it. The excitement is centered around mobile games and new tablets that can run old games on min settings.
Edit , it's high end that is dead, or exclusive pc only content, moba I could hardly ever count as a game because I think they are boring, but today I don't have to count them as a pc game because you can play them on a tablet.
Just because there is not any fun content for you does not mean the market is dead. You are not the benchmark for PC gaming.
You're missing the point, I know it's not about me. Consider the audience for pc gaming, mobile games are included, that's hardly a real number for total number of pc gamers. Let's say you buy a nice system, but the market is developing games for mobile, you can play too, what's the point in buying a high end system if you're playing low end games like league. League has not completely transitioned to mobile but wont have to, mobile is transitioned to allow for popular low end pc games, thus highjacking the pool of pc gamers.
What is "killing" PC gaming is the exact same thing that is it´s blessing. The near infinite amount of configurability. As a user you can get a PC that does exactly what you need it to do.
But on the flip side... If you are a developer and can choose between a simple system that has 1 variable (how much HD space there is) and one that has a near infinite number of combos that can and will mess up your optimization.
PC gaming is not dying but it will most likely remain secondary to console development due to consoles being easier to develop for.
How about rebirth of isometric RPGs, how about Elite Dangerous and Start Citizen (if it gets done), 3d flight where you can go from environment into ship and back, atmospheric flight and landing. As I said permadeath MMO, things like minecraft or space engineers, Ark Survival, and so on an on. All a thousand times more innovative than Bungie and Interactive movies
Rebirth of isometric RPG is not innovation. Larian Studios and their Divinity series might have produced a decent PC game, it's not like it's anything innovative, it's the same formular we have seen for years.
Minecraft is not new either, in fact Minecraft is a complete ripoff of infiniminer.
In fact, which AAA company is still making PC exclusives to distinguish this platform from console ports? Outside of Blizzard, I don't know many.
(and don't say the Korean MMO developers making trash F2P MMO, please)
Also, Overwatch is coming to PS4 and Xbox One, even Blizzard realizes they can't compete when PC gamers would rather spend their money on trashy indie games on kickstarter and on korean F2P, instead of on decent games.
Even Blizzard realizes PC gaming is not what it used to be.
Ok its not completely new, but would it have been done on console or mobile? NO it would be a dead genre. I dont care about AAA companies I tend to not enjoy anything they make as its usually a rehash of something I have already played a million times.
Consoles and mobile are just copies of copies. Maybe something like angry birds, tower defense games are kind of well suited to that style of gameplay. But i find that incredibly dull to play.
Ok its not completely new, but would it have been done on console or mobile? NO it would be a dead genre. I dont care about AAA companies I tend to not enjoy anything they make as its usually a rehash of something I have already played a million times.
You should care about AAA companies on PC, they are the ones pushing people to buy new PC. One of the benefits of PC gaming has always been its superior hardware over consoles.
But if people are playing Minecraft and indie games, there is no reason to upgrade their PC. In fact, the average PC people use today, is a less powerful PC than a PS4.
Blizzard is AAA developer, tell me the last innovative thing they have tried? Yes they improve and make existing systems more accessible but comeon you cant seriously expect something new and fresh from them. Hearthstone, HoTS, Overwatch even WOW are where they see something that works and try to improve on it. That is their business model.
Even Blizzard realizes PC gaming is not what it used to be.
Pretty big step between "not what it used to be" and dead tho...
Also looking at most consoles this generation they are in fact just under-powered component locked PC´s in a fancy shell. So who is killing who in reality.. =P *inser borg qoute here*
Console loses to PC on every front, innovation, sales, community, graphics, gameplay. Whatever you wish to say console is nothing but a quick cashgrab. Of course Blizzard is going console only for Overwatch because there are a million games like it on PC already with entrenched audiences and communities. They are late to the party, as always, and know only on console they have a chance.
I think consoles are killing pc games the most. Game makers are putting more energy into consoles and allowing more pc games to be ported broken or incomplete.
It's PC gamers their own fault they get trash compared to consoles.
PC gamers buy trash.
PC gamers support the industry of half-finished games, indie trash, failed kickstarter projects, bugged games, F2P ripoffs, microtransaction MMO from Korea that last 2 months, etc.
PCs have become the dumping ground for low quality games because PC gamers, for some inexplicable reason, are not standing up to indie / steam and kickstarter crap.
PCs are the platform for basement programmers. It's the platform where 4 people can make an unfinished low quality kickstarter MMO.
When you buy and support trash, you will keep getting trash.
The most run I had in years was playing early access Rust. Yes, it was full of bugs and hackers, but damn that game was and still is a lot of fun.
Console loses to PC on every front, innovation, sales, community, graphics, gameplay. Whatever you wish to say console is nothing but a quick cashgrab. Of course Blizzard is going console only for Overwatch because there are a million games like it on PC already with entrenched audiences and communities. They are late to the party, as always, and know only on console they have a chance.
If PC was better in every way, no one would be buying a console.
Consoles have a number of things they do better: -standard hardware -in general, cheaper -certain genres on consoles that are harder to find on PC, JRPG, Platform games, racing games, Fighter games, Beat'em up, Shoot 'em up -far better screening of software, you don't get to produce a PS4 game on a disc without Sony approval
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Insane, best games that I have played this year were Kickstarter funded. Yes, lets all play EAs CoD25th rehash of the same thing. In fact I find that consoles have no games that I would want to play, yes they are polished and not buggy and AAA projects but to me I have either already played some iteration of it or they are just boring. Cut scenes and voiceovers are not gameplay, however exciting they may look.
So in fact all those you criticize are actually pushing the gaming industry forward across all platforms as inevitably it is copied by console, mobile etc.
PC is cutting edge and testing ground gaming, all other platforms get the mechanics that work after some time, polished and dumbed down for them.
Those 4 people making an unpolished MMO are where anything that is worth something in gaming happens.
You are not the benchmark for PC gaming.
"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"
PC is where all innovation happens.
In fact, some of the best AAA developers, have LEFT PC gaming in favor of console gaming.
Quantic Dream is a good example.
Bungie is another example.
Ok, since you're saying Kickstarter is better.
Show me the Kickstarter FPS that is better than what Bungie is producing.
Some things work, some dont but if anything worthwhile is going to happen its on PC
What is "killing" PC gaming is the exact same thing that is it´s blessing. The near infinite amount of configurability. As a user you can get a PC that does exactly what you need it to do.
But on the flip side... If you are a developer and can choose between a simple system that has 1 variable (how much HD space there is) and one that has a near infinite number of combos that can and will mess up your optimization.
PC gaming is not dying but it will most likely remain secondary to console development due to consoles being easier to develop for.
This have been a good conversation
Minecraft is not new either, in fact Minecraft is a complete ripoff of infiniminer.
In fact, which AAA company is still making PC exclusives to distinguish this platform from console ports? Outside of Blizzard, I don't know many.
(and don't say the Korean MMO developers making trash F2P MMO, please)
Even Blizzard realizes PC gaming is not what it used to be.
Consoles and mobile are just copies of copies. Maybe something like angry birds, tower defense games are kind of well suited to that style of gameplay. But i find that incredibly dull to play.
But if people are playing Minecraft and indie games, there is no reason to upgrade their PC. In fact, the average PC people use today, is a less powerful PC than a PS4.
Also looking at most consoles this generation they are in fact just under-powered component locked PC´s in a fancy shell. So who is killing who in reality.. =P *inser borg qoute here*
This have been a good conversation
I don't think both these graphs can be correct.
But IDC is also saying PC sales are tanking:
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/212958-windows-10-booms-as-pc-sales-collapse
So PC game sales are surging while PC sales are tanking?
Either someone is wrong, or millions of people just now discovered you can play games on PC...
This have been a good conversation
Consoles have a number of things they do better:
-standard hardware
-in general, cheaper
-certain genres on consoles that are harder to find on PC, JRPG, Platform games, racing games, Fighter games, Beat'em up, Shoot 'em up
-far better screening of software, you don't get to produce a PS4 game on a disc without Sony approval