uh god, people comparing dumped down PC games to console titles again?
cute, but that only tells us you have no idea how games are made for multiple plattforms, not that consoles would actually be able to compare with PCs.
and quite frankly, if you think that, you have NO idea what a PC can do nowadays.
Kiyoris, ofc PC gfx arent better, because developers dont wanna produce games twice or even 5 times, when they can dumb down one system and then do a simple port to other engines.
also, be serious, would you buy a ps4 for 500 € when you know the system is the same as a low end PC?
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I have to agree that consoles have come a long way to actually match the PC... it is barley any graphical dumbing down these days... But it is not like consoles exactly can do the butter smooth 60fps at 1080 that seem to be all that counts these days as well as a PC...
Also as i said... Your precious PS4 is as good as it will ever get... Any advancement in tech will be another 4-6 years and a new console away...
Consoles are great if all you want is a really expensive game boy. Nothing wrong with that, and as i said i understand why devs focus on consoles... it is cheaper, faster and easier to hit a deadline when you only need to work with two different setups rather than infinite. Especially as budgets and deadline get more and more tight while the need to deliver go up...
Arkham Knight is a good example of what happens when you cut corners...
TL:DR PC always have more power, flexibilty and adaptability. Consoles are easier to develop for, so consoles get less ports. Consoles are finally closing in on PC graphics... but still have some way to go.
Perhaps the Performance PC market is already saturated and all these new games are filling a huge in demand void of casual games on phones. The mobile market is 100x bigger than the PC market when it comes to the amount of users. A significant portion of the US doesn't even have an internet connection. A lot of older people don't use or even have a computer. But everyone, even 5 yr old have phones. And more household are rocking a Playstation or Xbox then a PC
to bad they are PS exclusive then.. so we are unable to see how they would look on PC...
My bet... Better. =P
Even if they came out on PC, the problem is that the developers no longer bother with upgrading the graphics for PC.
They're the same graphics.
So why should I spend a lot of money on expensive graphics cards if you don't upgrade the graphics for PC.
Fallout 4:
Star Wars: Battlefront
Assassin's Creed Syndicate
The graphics are upgraded, but I'm not sure if it's worth it.
I know games look better on my PC than my PS4, but the reason I like it the most is that the load times are almost instant.
I still think PS4 may be a better investment. No games have crashed so far and it's easier to use. It generates a lot less head and takes up less space.
PC has more games unless you want to stream them like with PS now. I think it still has more games.
PC can run in Windowed mode which allows you to do something like watch a movie on one part of the screen and play a game on another.
PCs have player mods if you like that kind of thing.
I'm personally getting a bit tired of PCs even though I like them. They are a bit bulky and power hungry. They provide a lot more options overall though. I also don't like the idea of streaming games.
There are a number of things at work, but first let me say I don't believe that high end PC gaming is dead or near dead.
1) PC Sales are falling
This is a fact, but has been discussed, researched and explained many times. The answer is really simple: the average user only used to use PCs for word processing, emails and internet. The average user can now do these three things on other types of hardware (smartphones, tablets) for a fraction of the cost, so they've stopped buying PCs. Its that simple.
2) PC Gaming hardware sales are rising
A quick google will confirm this. Whilst the general PC market is in decline, the market for gaming hardware is still rising and healthier than at any point in its history.
3) Revenue from PC games rising
The amount of money spent on PC games is still rising year on year and is still looking very healthy. Sure, you can attribute some of this to F2P whales, but the vast majority of the revenue still comes from standard game sales. This is despite the fact that there are so many ways to buy discounted games online, we, as a market, are still spending more each year.
So, with these three facts in mind, you can't really conclude that the high-end PC market is at its end. You have nothing to back this up. As for Moores law, sure, the rate of progression is slowing down as we reach physical limits. However, the general law for computer progression is that speed either doubles every 18months - 2 years or halves in cost in the same time period. Even though Moores Law is reaching its limit, the more general rule still holds true. Even if they can't shrink the size of the transistors, they can still just add more and make bigger chips and we'll still get faster machines.
The only thing that I vaguely agree with is that the creativity at the high end of gaming (both console and pc) has stagnated. As the gaming market has grown (its now bigger than the movie industry), so has the potential gain and so has the cost of producing high end games. With higher costs comes higher risks and stifling creativity is an easy way to reduce risk. This is why so many AAA titles are just sequels or slightly more polished versions of older games. This is why it feels like the high end is dying - its not, we're just bored of seeing the same shit.
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Not being a tech geek, but a solid gamer for the past 8 years or so I have to say that PC gaming is good if you want options. I think the selection for the console has greatly increased AND I think they make very good games on the console. Personally, I feel like I have more control over most aspects of a game on a pc from layoff, to keybinding, and adjustments to improve play. I think console gamers are primarily people who want to just pick up and play...AND that is fine. Different strokes for different folks. Yes, you can costumize some things on the console. However, I having truly discovered my passion for gaming through a PC, will probably always stick with a PC. What I, as a true RP'er, desire is extreme customization from detailed appearance options, animation options, as well as being able to tweak power/ability effects to my liking. When I say detailed appearance options, I am not referring to just graphic settings for the overall performance and appearance of the entire game. I am talking specifically about my character(s). I tried Destiny recently. Well I was soooo not impressed. The guy trying to get me into the game was so excited. I was like, "How is this any different from any other military shooter?" He kept going on about the graphics. I got to picka color for my armor, a class, my weapon, and then all I saw was the barrel end of my gun and I targeted things with my gun and shot stuff. YAWN. So basically a pick up and shoot game. So, yea it looks and runs great on the console. Not much else I want to do other than play solo or team with a couple of folks and play military soldier/merc? I buy a console and an easy to set up shooter. Again, not me though. So, due to options and a desire to dabble into other genres, I stick with the versatility and diversity of the PC. Oh, and for the person who said PC gaming is great now. Soooo wrong. Crappy, ill-conceived, money grabbing junk mostly as of late.
PC gaming will be with use for a while longer, especially considering the consoles are pretty much hardware locked PCs now. For instance, most Square-Enix games now get released on the PC where a decade ago it was a console exclusive. As for mobile gaming, these has always been an audience for simple puzzle games since the beginning of gaming. Its a larger market than some people understand. Even in 2002, we understood that Internet puzzle games represented a 20 million player market of mostly 40+ year old women. These games also translate well to mobile games.
I see them more on Android.
They haven't released one Dragon Quest game on PC so far, but ported every game except for Dragon Quest 7 to Android and IOS so far. They have ported a few Final Fantasy games though.
The amount of money spent on PC games is still rising year on year and is still looking very healthy. Sure, you can attribute some of this to F2P whales, but the vast majority of the revenue still comes from standard game sales. This is despite the fact that there are so many ways to buy discounted games online, we, as a market, are still spending more each year.
2015 f2p MMO revenue is roughly $9.3B. Roughly $20B of that PC games revenue are not from whales. Even if you throw in the mearsely $2.3B p2p MMO number, still 17-18B of the PC games market has nothing to do with MMO.
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"PC has better hardware"..that may well be true, but if it doesn't manifest itself in better graphics in practice, it's pointless.
cute, but that only tells us you have no idea how games are made for multiple plattforms, not that consoles would actually be able to compare with PCs.
and quite frankly, if you think that, you have NO idea what a PC can do nowadays.
Kiyoris, ofc PC gfx arent better, because developers dont wanna produce games twice or even 5 times, when they can dumb down one system and then do a simple port to other engines.
also, be serious, would you buy a ps4 for 500 € when you know the system is the same as a low end PC?
"I'll never grow up, never grow up, never grow up! Not me!"
Also as i said... Your precious PS4 is as good as it will ever get... Any advancement in tech will be another 4-6 years and a new console away...
Consoles are great if all you want is a really expensive game boy. Nothing wrong with that, and as i said i understand why devs focus on consoles... it is cheaper, faster and easier to hit a deadline when you only need to work with two different setups rather than infinite. Especially as budgets and deadline get more and more tight while the need to deliver go up...
Arkham Knight is a good example of what happens when you cut corners...
TL:DR PC always have more power, flexibilty and adaptability. Consoles are easier to develop for, so consoles get less ports. Consoles are finally closing in on PC graphics... but still have some way to go.
This have been a good conversation
Perhaps the Performance PC market is already saturated and all these new games are filling a huge in demand void of casual games on phones. The mobile market is 100x bigger than the PC market when it comes to the amount of users. A significant portion of the US doesn't even have an internet connection. A lot of older people don't use or even have a computer. But everyone, even 5 yr old have phones. And more household are rocking a Playstation or Xbox then a PC
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I know games look better on my PC than my PS4, but the reason I like it the most is that the load times are almost instant.
I still think PS4 may be a better investment. No games have crashed so far and it's easier to use. It generates a lot less head and takes up less space.
PC has more games unless you want to stream them like with PS now. I think it still has more games.
PC can run in Windowed mode which allows you to do something like watch a movie on one part of the screen and play a game on another.
PCs have player mods if you like that kind of thing.
I'm personally getting a bit tired of PCs even though I like them. They are a bit bulky and power hungry. They provide a lot more options overall though. I also don't like the idea of streaming games.
1) PC Sales are falling
This is a fact, but has been discussed, researched and explained many times. The answer is really simple: the average user only used to use PCs for word processing, emails and internet. The average user can now do these three things on other types of hardware (smartphones, tablets) for a fraction of the cost, so they've stopped buying PCs. Its that simple.
2) PC Gaming hardware sales are rising
A quick google will confirm this. Whilst the general PC market is in decline, the market for gaming hardware is still rising and healthier than at any point in its history.
3) Revenue from PC games rising
The amount of money spent on PC games is still rising year on year and is still looking very healthy. Sure, you can attribute some of this to F2P whales, but the vast majority of the revenue still comes from standard game sales. This is despite the fact that there are so many ways to buy discounted games online, we, as a market, are still spending more each year.
So, with these three facts in mind, you can't really conclude that the high-end PC market is at its end. You have nothing to back this up. As for Moores law, sure, the rate of progression is slowing down as we reach physical limits. However, the general law for computer progression is that speed either doubles every 18months - 2 years or halves in cost in the same time period. Even though Moores Law is reaching its limit, the more general rule still holds true. Even if they can't shrink the size of the transistors, they can still just add more and make bigger chips and we'll still get faster machines.
The only thing that I vaguely agree with is that the creativity at the high end of gaming (both console and pc) has stagnated. As the gaming market has grown (its now bigger than the movie industry), so has the potential gain and so has the cost of producing high end games. With higher costs comes higher risks and stifling creativity is an easy way to reduce risk. This is why so many AAA titles are just sequels or slightly more polished versions of older games. This is why it feels like the high end is dying - its not, we're just bored of seeing the same shit.
They haven't released one Dragon Quest game on PC so far, but ported every game except for Dragon Quest 7 to Android and IOS so far. They have ported a few Final Fantasy games though.
The chart said "Global Gaming Software Revenue by Platform". Don't you think that would include ALL the PC game software under the PC platform?
It is MOSTLY non-f2p MMO revenue.
http://dazeinfo.com/2015/03/12/pc-gaming-market-estimated-grow-35-billion-2018-report/
2015 PC game software revenue is roughly $29B
https://www.superdataresearch.com/market-data/mmo-market/
2015 f2p MMO revenue is roughly $9.3B. Roughly $20B of that PC games revenue are not from whales. Even if you throw in the mearsely $2.3B p2p MMO number, still 17-18B of the PC games market has nothing to do with MMO.