Starcraft or Diablo. The warcraft franchise has been done to death already. I would like to see a Diablo MMO, but a Starcraft MMO would be a nice break from the fantasy genre.
But $15 (subscription) x 12m (subscribers) x 12 (months) = 2,160,000,000 (gross income (if subs maintained)). That's IF Blizzard can re-captivate its WoW fans with a "blown off the roof" game. On a serious note, our expectations of games nowadays are very, very, VERY high. Let me put my two cents in by saying WoW had an enormous impact on our demand(s) of games t'day.
I feel a diablo mmo would be to similar to wow, the medival setting has been done already. StarCraft MMO would be awesome. They undoubtedly know that if they ever put another mmo out it will reign supreme. I wouldn't be surprised 15+mil subscribers.
If anything blizzard may just avoid mmorpg pretty much like they did with titan seeing it's not going to work out. To think a 2nd mmorpg would help when titan didn't?.
Anyhow I see them doing more role-playing games then a mmo, unless they'll end up in the mobile market even more.
WoW2 is honestly inevitable, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't do it. But I think their next MMO will be with Diablo, going the ARPG route like Lost Ark, and Lineage Eternal.
Other - Structurally like "WoW Reboot" except for a few fixes and incorporating innovations other games have come up with since WoW began. But content-wise, very different. Fantasy, but NOT high fantasy - no elves, no dwarves, no orcs, no goblins. And NOT horror-fantasy: no demons, no vampires, no zombies, no werewolves. (No horror excludes Starcraft as well, that game's story was way too dark.) A lack of Medieval European humans would also be great. :P
Some more detail about what I mean by "structurally similar except incorporating fixes/innovations..."
- Each race has a starting area, but all classes are available to each race. Some 'bonus' races may not be available until the player already has a mid-level character of a 'basic' race. - NPC factions exist, and the player can farm reputation with each of them to get access to faction-specific rewards. But each faction has a distinct philosophy and personality; no generic red vs. blue crap. - There is one global auction house, it is not split by faction or race, and there are no faction or race language barriers, except for NPCs. Captchas or similar macro-prevention on bidding and buying. - The whole world is designed with flying in mind, but characters below a certain level cannot get access to flight, regardless of race, class, or cash shop purchases. - Medium level flying areas occupy the sky/mountains/giant trees above low level areas. - All dungeons scale to various sizes from 1 to a full party. - NO gear drops. - NO level limits on crafting. - NO limit to the number of crafting professions per character; instead all crafting could be considered a unified profession. - Addition of player-craftable housing.
For super bonus points: reverse the Exp system. Specifically, I mean that players directly earn stat points by doing related actions, whether that is running, casting magic, swinging a weapon, reading lore books, gathering, etc. When you have earned 5 stat points of any kind, you level up. As your level up reward you get tokens that you can spend in a global reward shop. Level 1 rewards are mainly basic appearance customizations, but you can unlock new rewards by farming reputation, completing quests or achieving achievements, crafting NPC commissions, and just getting to higher levels.
For extra super bonus points: every normal monster in the game is capturable, and captured pets can be bred to produce hybrids.
I want to help design and develop a PvE-focused, solo-friendly, sandpark MMO which combines crafting, monster hunting, and story. So PM me if you are starting one.
new MMORPG by Blizzard is possible but in distant future and it depends on the state of the genre. right now it doesn't worth investing again because best case scenario it will be as successful as current WoW so why bother investing lots of money for a completely new game when they can just make expansions.
if it does happen, i expect they use Starcraft or Diablo for their MMO and when WoW gets even older, they will finally start Warcraft 4 maybe.
Blizzard is master of two things, timing and polishing so they know when to release it just like WOW and Hearthstone. although they know they lost MOBA and Shooter genres to Valve so they are not trying in those genres.
With Moba they could take care of their modders back in the days and make a big MOBA game before Riot's League of Legends or Valve's Dota 2 happen so it is one exception when it comes Blizzard being good at timing. now Heart of the Storms is not meant to overtake DOTA 2 or LoL it's just there for casuals and some others.
With Shooter genre they never had any links (or memorable ones) to shooter Genre and Overwatch is not meant to be as popular as CS:GO. they just want the MOBA crowd to play their shooter to kinda overcompensate for the fact that they lost the MOBA crowd to others which is kinda smart business-wise. plus Overwatch at launch will make millions easily.
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my top MMOs: UO,DAOC,WoW,GW2
most of my posts are just my opinions they are not facts,it is the same for you too.
Blizzard polish ??Got to be kidding me,HS still has bugs and has from day 1 and there has been bugs that were game breaking as well. The saddest part is when their server structure disrupts tournament games so they have no recourse but to restart from scratch even though 1 guy was likely winning.
mmorg's are not irrelevant at all,the market has simply expended to include all the low budget designers that simply tag Esport into their game.I mean seriously Smash Brothers is an Esport ok ,enough said,proves any crap game can be a success if Esport is tagged into it.A VERY large amount of gamer's today are chasing money,they see a small handful getting rich and then millions think they will also get rich.
The funny part about Space Invaders is it lived on as a success for MANY years,where as most of these modern day games fold up and disappear after a few weeks."Darkest Dungeon" anyone??Thought not.
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A new MMORPG - nope, they are not working on one and will most likely never make another MMORPG
MMORPGs in general are rapidly becoming more and more irrelevant in the gaming market. Asking what we think Blizzard's new MMORPG will be is like asking if Midway, if they were still around, will ever do another coin op Space Invaders game.
I see what you're saying. But my OP is a what if question. It's just a pure hypothetical.
I'm not asking do you think they will or if they do. However, I was secretly wishing they would and hoping vainly that millions of people would come to this thread and say yes make a World of Starcraft and I will buy it. And that Blizzard would notice and do it based on the sheer overwhelming response of our august MMORPG.COM community. I know that's insane.
Still, I don't know what kind of inside info you have @DMKano but I know you are knowledgeable in the field. And @MisterZebub , I'm not sure I can't quite agree that the analogy with coin op Si is quite accurate. Maybe our current understanding of the term MMORPG is obsolete. But that doesn't mean that MMORPGs are obsolete.
I'm not sure what you guys mean when you talk about MMORPG v MMO.
I believe there can innovations in online games that are MMOs and have an RPG element. Why not?
Blizzard polish ??Got to be kidding me,HS still has bugs and has from day 1 and there has been bugs that were game breaking as well.
Give me a break. What Electronic Card Game is more polished than Hearthstone? You do realize how bad the competitors look and play? Blizzard polish is real.
The funny part about Space Invaders is it lived on as a success for MANY years,where as most of these modern day games fold up and disappear after a few weeks.
Apples and Oranges. Lack of competition and the fact that Arcades often held on to machines since they had to buy them.
A new MMORPG - nope, they are not working on one and will most likely never make another MMORPG
MMORPGs in general are rapidly becoming more and more irrelevant in the gaming market. Asking what we think Blizzard's new MMORPG will be is like asking if Midway, if they were still around, will ever do another coin op Space Invaders game.
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Give Diablo a huge persistent world like the first two Sacred titles, more in-depth crafting, a few non-combat things to do, and add lots of players = AWESOME!
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The big studios are all moving away from MMORPG's.
Now that e-sports is a proven money-spinner, focus will shift in the direction of match-based, high-action competitive games that are "accessible" to everyone and have a very small time commitment required to play.
If they ever do return to MMOs it would likely be WoW2. Blizzard had said several times that they would like to make WoW more of an action MMO but can't because of the player base.
But that probably wouldn't be for awhile.
Well Titan was supposed to be an action MMO but I think they cancelled it because others beat them to the punch this time and the reactions haven't been amazing.
If they ever do return to MMOs it would likely be WoW2. Blizzard had said several times that they would like to make WoW more of an action MMO but can't because of the player base.
But that probably wouldn't be for awhile.
Well Titan was supposed to be an action MMO but I think they cancelled it because others beat them to the punch this time and the reactions haven't been amazing.
Company beat them in the moba market they went with it. Titan for them didn't seem to them a money maker. Like blizzard other game their having trouble keeping people around the long term. I know people would like them to make a new mmo but not sure what they can bring to the table that would make people jump in to a new mmo that blizzard would make and grind there time away for the long term.
Give Diablo a huge persistent world like the first two Sacred titles, more in-depth crafting, a few non-combat things to do, and add lots of players = AWESOME!
nah .. the core of Diablo is good action pve combat in random dungeons + loot + a meta game of builds. There is no point diluting its core tenets.
In fact, all the few non-combat things in D3 is directly related to builds and upgrades (like the cube introduced in 2.3).
Blizz don't even bother with pvp (although they promised) because it detract from the core game.
If they ever do return to MMOs it would likely be WoW2. Blizzard had said several times that they would like to make WoW more of an action MMO but can't because of the player base.
But that probably wouldn't be for awhile.
Well Titan was supposed to be an action MMO but I think they cancelled it because others beat them to the punch this time and the reactions haven't been amazing.
Company beat them in the moba market they went with it. Titan for them didn't seem to them a money maker. Like blizzard other game their having trouble keeping people around the long term. I know people would like them to make a new mmo but not sure what they can bring to the table that would make people jump in to a new mmo that blizzard would make and grind there time away for the long term.
Not to mention Overwatch is also jumping into a pre-established space. In fact, Blizz is famous in taking a genre, and doing better than everyone else. Scrapping titan is clearly a signal that they are no longer interested in new mmorpg.
You can, of course, read it anyway you want .. but i won't bet money on blizz coming back to make new mmorpg (the classical kind) any time soon.
The big studios are all moving away from MMORPG's.
Now that e-sports is a proven money-spinner, focus will shift in the direction of match-based, high-action competitive games that are "accessible" to everyone and have a very small time commitment required to play.
I doubt Blizzard will make another MMORPG.
Exactly. Even some pve games are moving in that direction and Blizz is the god of being accessible. Just look at D3. You can jump in and play for 15 min, and as casual as you want (and yes, you can also dump many many hours into it too).
Im certainly sure that they are trying to make a game for each type of games, like WOW is for RPG, Diablo series is for ARPG, HotS is for DOTA kind, HS is card game etc, now we even have a FPS game - OW. So I dont think they would ever make another RPG, if it HAS to be one, then it could only be WOW2.
See i was thinking just the opposite, The one genre they havent really touched on yet is the Big budget Single Player RPG much in the style of say witcher 3 or Fallout 4...
Im certainly sure that they are trying to make a game for each type of games, like WOW is for RPG, Diablo series is for ARPG, HotS is for DOTA kind, HS is card game etc, now we even have a FPS game - OW. So I dont think they would ever make another RPG, if it HAS to be one, then it could only be WOW2.
See i was thinking just the opposite, The one genre they havent really touched on yet is the Big budget Single Player RPG much in the style of say witcher 3 or Fallout 4...
I would say they will try a single player RPG before they will make a new mmorpg. However, i don't see this happening .. since all of blizz games have some online component.
I doubt we will see a new mmorpg from them anytime soon. My guess would be the next one will be released after the VR hardware meets an acceptable standard.
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That's IF Blizzard can re-captivate its WoW fans with a "blown off the roof" game. On a serious note, our expectations of games nowadays are very, very, VERY high. Let me put my two cents in by saying WoW had an enormous impact on our demand(s) of games t'day.
PS. not limited to.
Anyhow I see them doing more role-playing games then a mmo, unless they'll end up in the mobile market even more.
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Some more detail about what I mean by "structurally similar except incorporating fixes/innovations..."
- Each race has a starting area, but all classes are available to each race. Some 'bonus' races may not be available until the player already has a mid-level character of a 'basic' race.
- NPC factions exist, and the player can farm reputation with each of them to get access to faction-specific rewards. But each faction has a distinct philosophy and personality; no generic red vs. blue crap.
- There is one global auction house, it is not split by faction or race, and there are no faction or race language barriers, except for NPCs. Captchas or similar macro-prevention on bidding and buying.
- The whole world is designed with flying in mind, but characters below a certain level cannot get access to flight, regardless of race, class, or cash shop purchases.
- Medium level flying areas occupy the sky/mountains/giant trees above low level areas.
- All dungeons scale to various sizes from 1 to a full party.
- NO gear drops.
- NO level limits on crafting.
- NO limit to the number of crafting professions per character; instead all crafting could be considered a unified profession.
- Addition of player-craftable housing.
For super bonus points: reverse the Exp system. Specifically, I mean that players directly earn stat points by doing related actions, whether that is running, casting magic, swinging a weapon, reading lore books, gathering, etc. When you have earned 5 stat points of any kind, you level up. As your level up reward you get tokens that you can spend in a global reward shop. Level 1 rewards are mainly basic appearance customizations, but you can unlock new rewards by farming reputation, completing quests or achieving achievements, crafting NPC commissions, and just getting to higher levels.
For extra super bonus points: every normal monster in the game is capturable, and captured pets can be bred to produce hybrids.
if it does happen, i expect they use Starcraft or Diablo for their MMO and when WoW gets even older, they will finally start Warcraft 4 maybe.
Blizzard is master of two things, timing and polishing so they know when to release it just like WOW and Hearthstone. although they know they lost MOBA and Shooter genres to Valve so they are not trying in those genres.
With Moba they could take care of their modders back in the days and make a big MOBA game before Riot's League of Legends or Valve's Dota 2 happen so it is one exception when it comes Blizzard being good at timing. now Heart of the Storms is not meant to overtake DOTA 2 or LoL it's just there for casuals and some others.
With Shooter genre they never had any links (or memorable ones) to shooter Genre and Overwatch is not meant to be as popular as CS:GO. they just want the MOBA crowd to play their shooter to kinda overcompensate for the fact that they lost the MOBA crowd to others which is kinda smart business-wise. plus Overwatch at launch will make millions easily.
my top MMOs: UO,DAOC,WoW,GW2
most of my posts are just my opinions they are not facts,it is the same for you too.
The saddest part is when their server structure disrupts tournament games so they have no recourse but to restart from scratch even though 1 guy was likely winning.
mmorg's are not irrelevant at all,the market has simply expended to include all the low budget designers that simply tag Esport into their game.I mean seriously Smash Brothers is an Esport ok ,enough said,proves any crap game can be a success if Esport is tagged into it.A VERY large amount of gamer's today are chasing money,they see a small handful getting rich and then millions think they will also get rich.
The funny part about Space Invaders is it lived on as a success for MANY years,where as most of these modern day games fold up and disappear after a few weeks."Darkest Dungeon" anyone??Thought not.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I'm not asking do you think they will or if they do. However, I was secretly wishing they would and hoping vainly that millions of people would come to this thread and say yes make a World of Starcraft and I will buy it. And that Blizzard would notice and do it based on the sheer overwhelming response of our august MMORPG.COM community. I know that's insane.
Still, I don't know what kind of inside info you have @DMKano but I know you are knowledgeable in the field. And @MisterZebub , I'm not sure I can't quite agree that the analogy with coin op Si is quite accurate. Maybe our current understanding of the term MMORPG is obsolete. But that doesn't mean that MMORPGs are obsolete.
I'm not sure what you guys mean when you talk about MMORPG v MMO.
I believe there can innovations in online games that are MMOs and have an RPG element. Why not?
Midway died several years ago IIRC.
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Now that e-sports is a proven money-spinner, focus will shift in the direction of match-based, high-action competitive games that are "accessible" to everyone and have a very small time commitment required to play.
I doubt Blizzard will make another MMORPG.
nah .. the core of Diablo is good action pve combat in random dungeons + loot + a meta game of builds. There is no point diluting its core tenets. In fact, all the few non-combat things in D3 is directly related to builds and upgrades (like the cube introduced in 2.3).
Blizz don't even bother with pvp (although they promised) because it detract from the core game.
You can, of course, read it anyway you want .. but i won't bet money on blizz coming back to make new mmorpg (the classical kind) any time soon.
Exactly. Even some pve games are moving in that direction and Blizz is the god of being accessible. Just look at D3. You can jump in and play for 15 min, and as casual as you want (and yes, you can also dump many many hours into it too).
Angels vs Demons vs Humans
Can make it a RVR type game and set the market for 3 sided faction PVP, with a solid PVE background.
Just like they took EQ and improved it.... they now need to take DAOC/ESO and improve upon it...
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