The article was pretty much useless and displayed no insight I could discern that hasn't been a dead horse ages ago.
Sure there is criticism of Roberts, some of it valid, but most of the points I've questioned in the past have been taken care of already. It's not a clean sweep, but it never is.
A cult? Really? Investment in anything is a gamble that you hope and even expect will pay off, Star Citizen is no different. You have more rabid supporters this time around, but you have a hell of a lot more backers as well, so even if the percentage of crazy remains stable, or even reduces some, the total number is still larger than usual simply because of the HUGE base to draw from.
When d.s. started a total s##t storm with unfounded accusations, people responded. People don't like getting attacked, and they don't like feeling as though you just publicly said they're stupid or incompetent, which is what more than a fair amount of the criticism from that crowd came across as. People will naturally get defensive and respond, and often in impolite and less than intellectual ways. It's human nature, no surprise there.
Transparency and accountability in the companies finances? To the government, sure, to the public, don't make me laugh. Since when has any yahoo been able to get ANY company to open their books to them with simple accusations? Let's see, I'm pretty sure the last time was around the 1st of Never! If you don't have some kind of authority, ownership or legal, you don't get to browse the books. So as long as they aren't breaking the law, the critics can suck it up and whimper in their corner.
All the accusations of wrong doing. Well, it seems there's just been some talk, but no proof. Funny thing about laws, they tend to require proof, not just malicious gossip.
Prices of those SC packages. WTF?!?! $1500 for What?!?! You either have a lot of money laying around in that overstuffed McDuck Mattress of yours, or you are absolutely bonkers to pay that! Of course, it's your money, and there's a chance you may never get the end product.
Am I worried about the Business side of it? Of course. Even if the Roberts hadn't already lost one company for whatever reason (Origin), it's rough to run a business and they can always fail.
Honestly, I hope they fulfill all their claims and make a whole lot of people happy. I won't be joining them until after they ship, or it becomes clear to me it's worth scraping up the buy in price. Since the availability of funds is an all pervasive issue for me, I have to plan and save for every game I get, so I'm obviously not going to commit that much on a hope, despite being really excited by S.C. . Speaking of which, if anyone wants to hire me, I'm open to offers. :awesome: (Real ones only, the comedy ones or otherwise unacceptable ones will be ignored.) (Not that any will likely come from this thread, but hey, it probably can't hurt.)
My thoughts on Star Citizen is that money does not make a great game. Talent does.
For $100 million, which is a MASSIVE budget, the game still looks like a concept project without any solid gameplay whatsoever.
And the $15.000 "packages" people are buying. I'm sorry...........wtf...............wtf are you doing paying $15.000 on a stupid virtual ship.
And don't tell me it's rich people buying those packages, it's not, rich people have other things to do than waste their time on virtual ships, they know the value of money.
It's the random middle class star trek nerd wasting half their money on hype, get a grip, get an adult to manage your finances before you blow it all on a game.
I totally agree, rich people are rich exactly because they do NOT spend $15,000 on a couple of worthless pixels. It's the middle and lower class maxing their credit cards that spend ridiculous amounts on nothing.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
White Knights are certainly cultish in behavior. I've seen plenty of such White Knights defend games well past the point of sanity. They often feel a bond to the developers that will blind them to legit criticism. LOTRO white knights come to mind.
It's mostly people that know there is something not right but they are too scared to admit they blown $500 or more on pixels and then the defense mechanisms start to kick in. They have to defend their investment although they know very well that they screwed up. It's a common behavior especially with people investing in the stock market. You need to be completely impartial to be successful, as soon as you attach emotions to a company or your portfolio you are screwed. I seen it happen more than once. Ex neighbor lost his house because of it, but he was defending his investment right to the bitter end.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
Forbes has decided that SC is most probably NOT a scam ?
I thought the evidence was supposed to be overwhelming and people were just waiting to see how much jail time Chris Roberts would be getting for this ?
Well it was a joke if that wasn't clear. I do that a lot. There is so much BS in the forums with people making stupid/silly claims. I thought it was very obvious but I think I need to start adding <humor> tags.
Oh, heh. I guess my sarcasm detector was broken at the time. The wildly ludicrous seems to be commonplace with this one, such that any claim must be taken at face value.
It's been an interesting three years.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar Authored 139 missions in VendettaOnline and 6 tracks in Distance
So you come here posting another negative piece about SC(which is all you seem to do is slam SC, CR and SC backers), you're a known die-hard supporter of Derek Smart, you quote him constantly, post his crap constantly - and you call SC backers cult members?
The argument that any game has white knights isn't what this is about.
Yeah, most games have fans, some of them can be extreme and very closed off to any opinions but their own. The thing is, they buy the game, get the DLC, sub, or whatever -- they don't fund the development of the game directly.
The article here is about a mass of people continually giving large sums of money to a project that hasn't produced a game, and acting with a single mind that everyone who criticises the game is wrong, a troll, and should have no voice at all. That's the comparison to cultish behaviour, which in my mind is completely reasonable. Some of the posts on massivelyop and reddit are pretty scary.
Read the article, found it to be a pointless clickbait opinion piece on supporters of the game and not even the game itself. The entire article could have been easily edited down to one short sentence. "My but those SC backers can be a bit tetchy eh?" Wow. That's some earthshaking Forbes-worthy journalism right there my friend.
Never said it was earthshattering journalism but instead of attacking the author or poster instead they could do what I suggested and help improve the communities image.
There's more cult-like behaviour from the fans of this game than I have seen for a long, long time. It's funny to see so many people in denial. Clouded, deluded (and soon to be poor) sycophants.
The only problem anyone should have with this game is the possible pay to win model. Anyone with half a brain and willing to simply look at the state of the game has to admit this is looking good and developing nicely. Is it taking a long time? Yes Will it be completely developed? Probably Are people spending too much money on pretend ships? Definitely Is Erilion really Chris Roberts himself? Probably So as I see it you are clouded in judgment against the game. Just as some others are clouded in judgment in favor of it.
lolz forbes, that's where I go for all my game info.................
Yeah?
But it IS a place you go for, you know, ACTUAL journalism.
Not like this place that will "whore for ad dollars" and praise anything to the skies after the check clears.
Forbes' main areas of interest are financial and investment topics, and if the writers there DON'T disclaim everything they say and/or back it up with "non-company" sources, they'd get instantly fired and probably sued if something they said caused people to buy some financial product that was misrepresented.
Basically the polar opposite of this place.
(Hell, I personally know 8-10 people that work or worked for Forbes or Bloomberg and those guys do not do ANYTHING even remotely questionable, those places get sued enough doing the business "correctly".)
So you come here posting another negative piece about SC(which is all you seem to do is slam SC, CR and SC backers), you're a known die-hard supporter of Derek Smart, you quote him constantly, post his crap constantly - and you call SC backers cult members?
To be honest, both sides have their cult followers. Look at the biggest fan and the biggest detractor on this forum and tell me that behavior is normal.
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
So you come here posting another negative piece about SC(which is all you seem to do is slam SC, CR and SC backers), you're a known die-hard supporter of Derek Smart, you quote him constantly, post his crap constantly - and you call SC backers cult members?
Looks we have people like you who are willing to post nothing but positive things and continually argue against anything that might not smell right about SC. Seriously if you haven't found one thing to complain about then you are just as wrong as him.
I thank the author of this article for more publicity for the Star Citizen project, which will bring in more backers and helps to make the game better in the long run.
I suggest the author writes his next article on Star Wars fans ;-)
There's more cult-like behaviour from the fans of this game than I have seen for a long, long time. It's funny to see so many people in denial. Clouded, deluded (and soon to be poor) sycophants.
The only problem anyone should have with this game is the possible pay to win model. Anyone with half a brain and willing to simply look at the state of the game has to admit this is looking good and developing nicely. Is it taking a long time? Yes Will it be completely developed? Probably Are people spending too much money on pretend ships? Definitely Is Erilion really Chris Roberts himself? Probably So as I see it you are clouded in judgment against the game. Just as some others are clouded in judgment in favor of it.
It seems certain people really don't like being called sycophants... because what does any of the above have to do with my comment exactly? By saying that I've observed more cult-like behaviour from diehard fans of this game does not imply anything about my own beliefs regarding the game itself, nor does it imply that I am against it or any such thing. It's purely an observation of the more fanatical side of the fanbase and it's certainly not an observation that is exclusive to me.
I've regularly witnessed the faithful packs instantly descend on anyone criticising the game or asking valid questions on lots of other sites (massivelyop, for example). It doesn't happen so much on here, for whatever reason.
I agree with the article in that it's more extreme than in most games, and it's particularly concerning that it's so strong for a game that isn't out yet, has no guarantees of ever being out, and is being funded entirely by the people who are doing this sort of thing (I'm not suggesting that everyone who's put money into the game is acting in this way, but the ones that are are the people who fund it).
It is caused by CIG itself, in how they decided to use people to promote them indefinitely, from the beginning, regardless the way that they promote. CIG itself is toxic in their mindset, as you can realize by looking to their aggressive marketing messages. Their whole message, how they evangelize people is to transform the whole thing in a cult-like. So, that's why you have such toxicity above any other game. In other games, people don't care if the devs made another million. Don't talk about that. Don't care to promote a broken alpha as the ultimate thing that everyone is having fun. As someone else said to me one of these days, people won't believe in the CIG fans when CIG really deliver something good. They have this trend to be not honest or exaggerate, just in the hope to get more people to get more funds, regardless if they had 3 times, 4 times, 5 times, 10 times what was needed to deliver the BDSSE. It's an insane train, such attitude. People, specially the backers, should start to realize that it only hurts the game and that for any individual who is pledging now, the chances are big of the person getting disappointed, but if instead, that person was invited to play the game only when released, they could win another "fan"/"whale" for the future. Win fidelity, not screwing with the public with a long and messy road. So why they keep doing that? It makes no sense. They should just stop and think. It helps monetary interests, easy and quick money, but not the game/company long term's objectives. Understanding that and stopping with this constant idea of "spread the word", letting this to the right moment (near release), I think that the toxicity would decrease and people would deal better with the criticism. But I don't see any sign of both fans and CIG/CR agreeing. So, the trend is only becoming worst and worst and they shooting in their own foot with that.
Give me a break. Anyone who has been on this site regularly for even a single year, knows how bad the white knights can be for any game, whether they have put money into it or not. I've seen it here for just about every MMO ever made, especially in past years when big-budget MMOs were in development.
Calling them a "cult" isn't a great way to get your point across and they wonder why the fans attack?. It's articles and post like this. Not only are you insulting them, but it's the constant relying and posting old or misinformation to create an argument that has the SC community riled up.
This quotes from the comments sums it up imho
"I think the problem backers have with journalist is that it seems they don’t do any real research. Star Citizen has had one of the most open development ever. There are tons of information shared daily on the progress. All someone has to do is look. But it seems journalist don’t have to the time to research. So it frustrates backers/fans when the are blatant errors in reporting. This tends to imply that the writers are intensively leaving out well known facts in order justify their opinions. I think the true problem is that their is so much information about the game being released that unless you have followed from day one, it is easily to lost an overlook things. Especially if the don’t fit the the narrative trying to be made."
Calling them a "cult" isn't a great way to get your point across and they wonder why the fans attack?. It's articles and post like this. Not only are you insulting them, but it's the constant relying and posting old or misinformation to create an argument that has the SC community riled up.
This quotes from the comments sums it up imho
"I think the problem backers have with journalist is that it seems they don’t do any real research. Star Citizen has had one of the most open development ever. There are tons of information shared daily on the progress. All someone has to do is look. But it seems journalist don’t have to the time to research. So it frustrates backers/fans when the are blatant errors in reporting. This tends to imply that the writers are intensively leaving out well known facts in order justify their opinions. I think the true problem is that their is so much information about the game being released that unless you have followed from day one, it is easily to lost an overlook things. Especially if the don’t fit the the narrative trying to be made."
I understand what the guy is saying and can see why he believes that but he's wrong.
The onus is on CIG to present the information so that it is easily accessible. If you're pumping out 3-4 videos a week, numerous lore posts, twitter, forum, discord posts etc with no way of it being indexed for future reference then the information might as well not be there when you're looking to do research. You have to constantly follow it and that's clearly not an option.
Some people confuse quantity for quality as well, they believe that because there is so much coming from CIG that it means most open development evah but that's partially subjective so not massively relevant.
As far as SC being a scam. That would require CR and his cronies to actually wilfully promise things they know they can't deliver. I don't think that's the case. Now if they fail due to incompetence, that's not a scam.
Was Curt Schillings MMO a scam to the state of Connecticut? No it was just poorly managed and was funded by incompetent state representatives.
BUG reports from BACKERS about alpha 2.0... but nono.. all backers are 'acting with a single mind', right?... none of the backers think anything is wrong with the game?! lol.
And the people who act like there is nothing wrong with the game are equally fking stupid... not saying they aren't. But majority of the population/backers fall in the middle of these 2 ridiculous vocal sides.
Reality always has been only a small population read forums/reddit... even less post because the hostility on them.
BUG reports from BACKERS about alpha 2.0... but nono.. all backers are 'acting with a single mind', right?... none of the backers think anything is wrong with the game?! lol.
And the people who act like there is nothing wrong with the game are equally fking stupid... not saying they aren't. But majority of the population/backers fall in the middle of these 2 ridiculous vocal sides.
Reality always has been only a small population read forums/reddit... even less post because the hostility on them.
I read a lot of threads over there where people are attacked for saying a lot of what has been said here. Yet those are deleted, so we can't show them unless we save it when we read them. So you show a page with bug reports and expect it to be the same thing! So you are right a few people do not have the same mind set. But they are gone if they don't buck up and get in line.
But that's not CIG, that's some third party fansite. Which then leads you to verifying the authenticity of what is written etc, it's good but it adds another layer to it with regards to researching.
1 the scam:I think they and others are considering that term based only on weather there will be a game.I have no doubt there will be a game but Chris has still conducted this business like a scam. The reason it was a 2014 prediction was because the game was very shallow,they had a small team and really not much more than a fast Eve part 2.
The vision of this game is not a 100+ million dollar game ,MAYBE a 40 million at best,so does he keep going for more supporters money?This is not a finished product worth profiting form,the whole purpose of crowd funding was to get enough to make the game,not to keep taking free handouts far and above what the game needs.It only now needs more than 40 million which i believe is still over valuing this game,is because of mismanagement,terrible spending.
2 The Cult :Well this is like everything else we see in life,for some off reason people like to find their own niche to cling on to,even if they think or know something else is better,they want to feel special in their choices. That is how you get people clinging to Punk Rock like it is some real amazing music or then Rap or all the other made up genres,people just need to feel different and special.
So yeah,it was old school to just hop in and play Eve,better to be a part of something new and "pretend" you have a part in it.I am not so sure the supporters are doing this because they believe or want a great game or lean more towards they to be able to say "See i told you so".
Personally i look at things realistically,i saw a VERY cheap game vision,one that was suppose to take very little money and i believe even Chris never expected this support.Once the money kept rolling in ,he decided to find excuses and new ways to prolong this,keep adding ideas even if they already have more than enough money,we will keep grinding more out of careless spenders and that is where the scam comes in.
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Sure there is criticism of Roberts, some of it valid, but most of the points I've questioned in the past have been taken care of already. It's not a clean sweep, but it never is.
A cult? Really? Investment in anything is a gamble that you hope and even expect will pay off, Star Citizen is no different. You have more rabid supporters this time around, but you have a hell of a lot more backers as well, so even if the percentage of crazy remains stable, or even reduces some, the total number is still larger than usual simply because of the HUGE base to draw from.
When d.s. started a total s##t storm with unfounded accusations, people responded. People don't like getting attacked, and they don't like feeling as though you just publicly said they're stupid or incompetent, which is what more than a fair amount of the criticism from that crowd came across as. People will naturally get defensive and respond, and often in impolite and less than intellectual ways. It's human nature, no surprise there.
Transparency and accountability in the companies finances? To the government, sure, to the public, don't make me laugh. Since when has any yahoo been able to get ANY company to open their books to them with simple accusations? Let's see, I'm pretty sure the last time was around the 1st of Never!
If you don't have some kind of authority, ownership or legal, you don't get to browse the books.
So as long as they aren't breaking the law, the critics can suck it up and whimper in their corner.
All the accusations of wrong doing. Well, it seems there's just been some talk, but no proof. Funny thing about laws, they tend to require proof, not just malicious gossip.
Prices of those SC packages. WTF?!?! $1500 for What?!?! You either have a lot of money laying around in that overstuffed McDuck Mattress of yours, or you are absolutely bonkers to pay that!
Of course, it's your money, and there's a chance you may never get the end product.
Am I worried about the Business side of it? Of course. Even if the Roberts hadn't already lost one company for whatever reason (Origin), it's rough to run a business and they can always fail.
Honestly, I hope they fulfill all their claims and make a whole lot of people happy. I won't be joining them until after they ship, or it becomes clear to me it's worth scraping up the buy in price. Since the availability of funds is an all pervasive issue for me, I have to plan and save for every game I get, so I'm obviously not going to commit that much on a hope, despite being really excited by S.C. .
Speaking of which, if anyone wants to hire me, I'm open to offers. :awesome:
(Real ones only, the comedy ones or otherwise unacceptable ones will be ignored.)
(Not that any will likely come from this thread, but hey, it probably can't hurt.)
Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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Forbes has decided that SC is most probably NOT a scam ?
I thought the evidence was supposed to be overwhelming and people were just waiting to see how much jail time Chris Roberts would be getting for this ?
Strange days indeed...
It's been an interesting three years.
"The simple is the seal of the true and beauty is the splendor of truth" -Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar
Authored 139 missions in Vendetta Online and 6 tracks in Distance
Yeah, most games have fans, some of them can be extreme and very closed off to any opinions but their own. The thing is, they buy the game, get the DLC, sub, or whatever -- they don't fund the development of the game directly.
The article here is about a mass of people continually giving large sums of money to a project that hasn't produced a game, and acting with a single mind that everyone who criticises the game is wrong, a troll, and should have no voice at all. That's the comparison to cultish behaviour, which in my mind is completely reasonable. Some of the posts on massivelyop and reddit are pretty scary.
The only problem anyone should have with this game is the possible pay to win model. Anyone with half a brain and willing to simply look at the state of the game has to admit this is looking good and developing nicely. Is it taking a long time? Yes Will it be completely developed? Probably Are people spending too much money on pretend ships? Definitely Is Erilion really Chris Roberts himself? Probably So as I see it you are clouded in judgment against the game. Just as some others are clouded in judgment in favor of it.
But it IS a place you go for, you know, ACTUAL journalism.
Not like this place that will "whore for ad dollars" and praise anything to the skies after the check clears.
Forbes' main areas of interest are financial and investment topics, and if the writers there DON'T disclaim everything they say and/or back it up with "non-company" sources, they'd get instantly fired and probably sued if something they said caused people to buy some financial product that was misrepresented.
Basically the polar opposite of this place.
(Hell, I personally know 8-10 people that work or worked for Forbes or Bloomberg and those guys do not do ANYTHING even remotely questionable, those places get sued enough doing the business "correctly".)
I thank the author of this article for more publicity for the Star Citizen project, which will bring in more backers and helps to make the game better in the long run.
I suggest the author writes his next article on Star Wars fans ;-)
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It seems certain people really don't like being called sycophants... because what does any of the above have to do with my comment exactly?
By saying that I've observed more cult-like behaviour from diehard fans of this game does not imply anything about my own beliefs regarding the game itself, nor does it imply that I am against it or any such thing. It's purely an observation of the more fanatical side of the fanbase and it's certainly not an observation that is exclusive to me.
This quotes from the comments sums it up imho
"I think the problem backers have with journalist is that it seems they don’t do any real research. Star Citizen has had one of the most open development ever. There are tons of information shared daily on the progress. All someone has to do is look. But it seems journalist don’t have to the time to research. So it frustrates backers/fans when the are blatant errors in reporting. This tends to imply that the writers are intensively leaving out well known facts in order justify their opinions. I think the true problem is that their is so much information about the game being released that unless you have followed from day one, it is easily to lost an overlook things. Especially if the don’t fit the the narrative trying to be made."
I understand what the guy is saying and can see why he believes that but he's wrong.
The onus is on CIG to present the information so that it is easily accessible. If you're pumping out 3-4 videos a week, numerous lore posts, twitter, forum, discord posts etc with no way of it being indexed for future reference then the information might as well not be there when you're looking to do research. You have to constantly follow it and that's clearly not an option.
Some people confuse quantity for quality as well, they believe that because there is so much coming from CIG that it means most open development evah but that's partially subjective so not massively relevant.
Was Curt Schillings MMO a scam to the state of Connecticut? No it was just poorly managed and was funded by incompetent state representatives.
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BUG reports from BACKERS about alpha 2.0... but nono.. all backers are 'acting with a single mind', right?... none of the backers think anything is wrong with the game?! lol.
And the people who act like there is nothing wrong with the game are equally fking stupid... not saying they aren't. But majority of the population/backers fall in the middle of these 2 ridiculous vocal sides.
Reality always has been only a small population read forums/reddit... even less post because the hostility on them.
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Star Citizen – The Extinction Level Event
4/13/15 > ELE has been updated look for 16-04-13.
http://www.dereksmart.org/2016/04/star-citizen-the-ele/
Enjoy and know the truth always comes to light!
But that's not CIG, that's some third party fansite. Which then leads you to verifying the authenticity of what is written etc, it's good but it adds another layer to it with regards to researching.
But thanks for the link, bookmarked for myself.
The reason it was a 2014 prediction was because the game was very shallow,they had a small team and really not much more than a fast Eve part 2.
The vision of this game is not a 100+ million dollar game ,MAYBE a 40 million at best,so does he keep going for more supporters money?This is not a finished product worth profiting form,the whole purpose of crowd funding was to get enough to make the game,not to keep taking free handouts far and above what the game needs.It only now needs more than 40 million which i believe is still over valuing this game,is because of mismanagement,terrible spending.
2 The Cult :Well this is like everything else we see in life,for some off reason people like to find their own niche to cling on to,even if they think or know something else is better,they want to feel special in their choices.
That is how you get people clinging to Punk Rock like it is some real amazing music or then Rap or all the other made up genres,people just need to feel different and special.
So yeah,it was old school to just hop in and play Eve,better to be a part of something new and "pretend" you have a part in it.I am not so sure the supporters are doing this because they believe or want a great game or lean more towards they to be able to say "See i told you so".
Personally i look at things realistically,i saw a VERY cheap game vision,one that was suppose to take very little money and i believe even Chris never expected this support.Once the money kept rolling in ,he decided to find excuses and new ways to prolong this,keep adding ideas even if they already have more than enough money,we will keep grinding more out of careless spenders and that is where the scam comes in.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.