You collect tokens which are limited per week to get armour that is marginally better than the one you wearing. There is no choice. You get 1 new set every 3-4 months.
All you do to get tokens is run all old content and new content a million times. But remember, you can only get a limited amount of tokens per week so you can't play the way you want.
Classes are generic. Black Mage for example does not cast spells (although they call them "fire spells"), they are just DPS ability X with Y damage. You can kill Ifrit the God of fire with your "fire spells". It is quite pathetic.
End game fights are timed to the second. All you need to do is learn the pattern. Players call the eng game "synchronized rope jumping" and they are pretty accurate with that. No skill needed.
It's probably the most boring MMORPG i have yet played.
TLDR: Grind weekly allowance of tokens for armour and weapon once every 3-4 months. No side-grades at all. There is only 1 type of armour. A 5 year old can play the game.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
You collect tokens which are limited per week to get armour that is marginally better than the one you wearing. There is no choice. You get 1 new set every 3-4 months.
All you do to get tokens is run all old content and new content a million times. But remember, you can only get a limited amount of tokens per week so you can't play the way you want.
Classes are generic. Black Mage for example does not cast spells (although they call them "fire spells"), they are just DPS ability X with Y damage. You can kill Ifrit the God of fire with your "fire spells". It is quite pathetic.
End game fights are timed to the second. All you need to do is learn the pattern. Players call the eng game "synchronized rope jumping" and they are pretty accurate with that. No skill needed.
It's probably the most boring MMORPG i have yet played.
TLDR: Grind weekly allowance of tokens for armour and weapon once every 3-4 months. No side-grades at all. There is only 1 type of armour. A 5 year old can play the game.
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Notice how this user here has no personal input as he uses words like, "I heard..." and "People say".
By the way, for lore purposes, ASTRAL FIRE AND UMBRAL FIRE are two different things. Same with Ice/Blizzard.
Shiva and Ifrit are born of Umbral Fire and Astral Ice. So using Asrtal Fire and Umbral Blizzard will have a different effect.
Were you just never paying attention in the game like, ever?
Next, Ifrit is not the god of fire, he is , "The Lord of the Inferno".
Yeah only one type of armour, except Diadem gear, ESO, AS gear, etc. But only one type. Only one way to get it too except Dungeons, hunts, diadem, etc. But, again, only one way to get it.
You collect tokens which are limited per week to get armour that is marginally better than the one you wearing. There is no choice. You get 1 new set every 3-4 months.
All you do to get tokens is run all old content and new content a million times. But remember, you can only get a limited amount of tokens per week so you can't play the way you want.
Classes are generic. Black Mage for example does not cast spells (although they call them "fire spells"), they are just DPS ability X with Y damage. You can kill Ifrit the God of fire with your "fire spells". It is quite pathetic.
End game fights are timed to the second. All you need to do is learn the pattern. Players call the eng game "synchronized rope jumping" and they are pretty accurate with that. No skill needed.
It's probably the most boring MMORPG i have yet played.
TLDR: Grind weekly allowance of tokens for armour and weapon once every 3-4 months. No side-grades at all. There is only 1 type of armour. A 5 year old can play the game.
Wow. Did a 5 year old type this?
Notice how this user here has no personal input as he uses words like, "I heard..." and "People say".
By the way, for lore purposes, ASTRAL FIRE AND UMBRAL FIRE are two different things. Same with Ice/Blizzard.
Shiva and Ifrit are born of Umbral Fire and Astral Ice. So using Asrtal Fire and Umbral Blizzard will have a different effect.
Were you just never paying attention in the game like, ever?
Next, Ifrit is not the god of fire, he is , "The Lord of the Inferno".
Yeah only one type of armour, except Diadem gear, ESO, AS gear, etc. But only one type. Only one way to get it too except Dungeons, hunts, diadem, etc. But, again, only one way to get it.
There is only one gear set that is currently new, the other gear is the one that was good 4 months ago and is not restricted any more. It's lower level so not viable. Stop making it sound as if the game has a big selection of gear. It does not and everyone knows it.
Have fun with the one gear set game and the easy mode boss fights, keep grinding those restricted tokens for gear that is the same as your last gear +1. Then after 4 months start over again grinding old dungeons for tokens. It is pathetic.
Not everyone enjoys simple games. Some people like games with choice and difficulty.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
I really enjoyed FFXIV, but it is a treadmill, and I don't like how they handle smaller things like cosmetics with the glamours or anything as it is quite inconvenient, I would rather just have outfit/costume slots and this actually bothered me more the longer I played it. It has a lot of fun content though, and if you're into FF as I am, I would definitely play it.
Well, to be fair the hamster style end game complaint can be levied against most, if not all, mainstream MMORPGs developed over the last decade. They just don't know how to keep people playing outside of ingame obsolescence, as the publishers don't want their MMORPG to have a hook free exit. Thankfully the strategy is starting to fail to keep people playing so maybe they will eventually stop trying to employ it.
Also +1 for FFXI. I'd play it too, but the game is old and hasn't aged well. If they had delivered a graphically improved FFXI in FFXIV with improved controls instead of the original unholy abomination that was FFXIV 1.0, we might have had something to really look forward to besides more market exploitation.
Also +1 for FFXI. I'd play it too, but the game is old and hasn't aged well. If they had delivered a graphically improved FFXI in FFXIV with improved controls instead of the original unholy abomination that was FFXIV 1.0, we might have had something to really look forward to besides more market exploitation.
I feel ya' dude. people tell me to play it but after my free month......it did not age well.
Anyone claiming the endgame of FFXIV is stale isn't incorrect; it's fairly stale, but it's pretty standard fare for themepark MMOs these days. It's a pretty typical iLvl grind with new gear every couple of months which makes previous content/gear obsolete. The problem with FFXIV is that the content they put out is very predictable (to the point where it's a direct copy-and-paste of 2.0) in it's pattern, leading veteran players to feel burnt out fairly quickly.
The treadmill isn't a bad thing, but the way they disguise it could use a little work; this is where even a little horizontal progression would greatly benefit the game.
If you want to play something like WoW but with "Anime Eastern theme", then play FFXIV. It's probably a bit better than WoW these days.
But if you're looking for something new, inovative, unique or new-gen, then don't bother.
It doesn't even have an eastern theme. It's an over the top high fantasy game that survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia it can throw at peoples faces. They have a subscription reward that is literally Cloud Strifes outfit and further up rewards include armor of the rose.
If you want to play something like WoW but with "Anime Eastern theme", then play FFXIV. It's probably a bit better than WoW these days.
But if you're looking for something new, inovative, unique or new-gen, then don't bother.
It doesn't even have an eastern theme. It's an over the top high fantasy game that survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia it can throw at peoples faces. They have a subscription reward that is literally Cloud Strifes outfit and further up rewards include armor of the rose.
Oh really? Because if that was the case then why did 1.0 fail?
Seems the franchise name and nostalgia alone could not save it from it's doom.
So yeah, saying, "survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia", is just plain wrong.
Dude, again for the millionth time, you're reaching for something, anything you can to dog the game.
Second, the outfit is not Clouds outfit from FF VII. It is from Advent Children. Two different costumes all together. Again, something a fan of FF would know.
So from that I can tell this is you're first FF?
Third, what's wrong with it having an western feel? At least we celebrate all holidays, even US and EU ones too. You're not racist against Asian's are you? Or Asian decent games? Because that's exactly how it sounds.
You're mad a Japanese made game has no eastern feel to it.
If anybody here is serious about knowing how the game really is, come here: http://www.twitch.tv/420gaming666 and i'll answer and show you anything you want to know or see.
This way I have the game up and nobody can say differently or make anything up at all.
Well, here's the thing. If your big thing is end game content, like dungeons and raids, the endgame is going to be horrible for you. There's not nearly as much variety currently as there was before the launch of the expansion.
However, one thing this game does exceptionally well is provide a variety of content for different play types. Crafters and gathers have all their own classes, obviously. But you also have housing, gardening, chocobo companions, chocobo breeding, chocobo racing, gold saucer attractions, pet collections/battles, airship missions, and a plethora of other stuff that doesn't fall under the endgame label.
I personally thought Heavensward was a fantastic expansion, easily on par with anything WoW has put out (though I wouldn't quite put it on the same level as my gold standard, which is the Mines of Moria expansion for LotRO).
If you haven't already tried the game, do so. Like WoW and Eve Online, it's a game everyone should definitely try once.
If you want to play something like WoW but with "Anime Eastern theme", then play FFXIV. It's probably a bit better than WoW these days.
But if you're looking for something new, inovative, unique or new-gen, then don't bother.
It doesn't even have an eastern theme. It's an over the top high fantasy game that survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia it can throw at peoples faces. They have a subscription reward that is literally Cloud Strifes outfit and further up rewards include armor of the rose.
Oh really? Because if that was the case then why did 1.0 fail?
Seems the franchise name and nostalgia alone could not save it from it's doom.
So yeah, saying, "survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia", is just plain wrong.
Dude, again for the millionth time, you're reaching for something, anything you can to dog the game.
Second, the outfit is not Clouds outfit from FF VII. It is from Advent Children. Two different costumes all together. Again, something a fan of FF would know.
So from that I can tell this is you're first FF?
Third, what's wrong with it having an western feel? At least we celebrate all holidays, even US and EU ones too. You're not racist against Asian's are you? Or Asian decent games? Because that's exactly how it sounds.
You're mad a Japanese made game has no eastern feel to it.
Whoa neller here, HellboundHeart. We both know why 1.0 failed and yes the current model does survive off of the franchise name and nostalgia. The reason it currently works and survives is because it is using a popular and proven game model underneath that nostalgia and franchise name, so people can actually enjoy what they are being given. The original Final Fantasy XIV was a mess because they didn't have a clear direction on the game systems underneath it all. It was slow paced, had graphics levels that many machines had difficulty rendering at the time, recycled terrain, etc.
I'm glad you want to be the herald of FFXIV on the boards, but that doesn't mean that every person saying something negative about the game is an enemy you need to go around trying to smash face with. Also, I played the game. A lot of us here have played the game. Also, what in the name of all that is holy gave you the idea that I dislike Final Fantasy because it doesn't have Shugenja and Samurai with people dealing with kami? O.o
If you want to play something like WoW but with "Anime Eastern theme", then play FFXIV. It's probably a bit better than WoW these days.
But if you're looking for something new, inovative, unique or new-gen, then don't bother.
It doesn't even have an eastern theme. It's an over the top high fantasy game that survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia it can throw at peoples faces. They have a subscription reward that is literally Cloud Strifes outfit and further up rewards include armor of the rose.
Oh really? Because if that was the case then why did 1.0 fail?
Seems the franchise name and nostalgia alone could not save it from it's doom.
So yeah, saying, "survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia", is just plain wrong.
Dude, again for the millionth time, you're reaching for something, anything you can to dog the game.
Second, the outfit is not Clouds outfit from FF VII. It is from Advent Children. Two different costumes all together. Again, something a fan of FF would know.
So from that I can tell this is you're first FF?
Third, what's wrong with it having an western feel? At least we celebrate all holidays, even US and EU ones too. You're not racist against Asian's are you? Or Asian decent games? Because that's exactly how it sounds.
You're mad a Japanese made game has no eastern feel to it.
Whoa neller here, HellboundHeart. We both know why 1.0 failed and yes the current model does survive off of the franchise name and nostalgia. The reason it currently works and survives is because it is using a popular and proven game model underneath that nostalgia and franchise name, so people can actually enjoy what they are being given. The original Final Fantasy XIV was a mess because they didn't have a clear direction on the game systems underneath it all. It was slow paced, had graphics levels that many machines had difficulty rendering at the time, recycled terrain, etc.
I'm glad you want to be the herald of FFXIV on the boards, but that doesn't mean that every person saying something negative about the game is an enemy you need to go around trying to smash face with. Also, I played the game. A lot of us here have played the game.
If that's the case then why are people saying 1.0 was better in a lot of system aspects?
No the current franchise does NOT live off nostalgia and name alone.
Whoa Neller, don't be pretentious.
You said this game was the worst ever, if so, why has it not failed and burned like 1.0? Why has it not gone F2P? You do know most who play this game have not played any other FF games right?
"The original Final Fantasy XIV was a mess because they didn't have a clear direction on the game systems underneath it all. It was slow paced, had graphics levels that many machines had difficulty rendering at the time, recycled terrain, etc."
Really? I have videos of 1.0 and it did not look bad or have slow combat. They had a years worth of content too. Maybe you're thinking of XI?
Besides, what you just described was SWTOR. And WoW.
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"I'm glad you want to be the herald of FFXIV on the boards, but that doesn't mean that every person saying something negative about the game is an enemy you need to go around trying to smash face with. Also, I played the game. A lot of us here have played the game."
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No. Like I said 100 times, I hate when people give false knowledge of games. All you do, again, is spew lies.
Yes, combat is slow. Yes there are 3 ways to get different gear. Yes, it's a themepark.
So why are you still here if you hate the game so much? Why? Do you have no other life that you have to come here and display you're disgust for a game instead of doing something else?
We get it dude, you hate everything.
According to you nobody should play this game and it should be shut down right now because you don't like it and can't fathom why others would like it.
If you want to play something like WoW but with "Anime Eastern theme", then play FFXIV. It's probably a bit better than WoW these days.
But if you're looking for something new, inovative, unique or new-gen, then don't bother.
It doesn't even have an eastern theme. It's an over the top high fantasy game that survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia it can throw at peoples faces. They have a subscription reward that is literally Cloud Strifes outfit and further up rewards include armor of the rose.
Oh really? Because if that was the case then why did 1.0 fail?
Seems the franchise name and nostalgia alone could not save it from it's doom.
So yeah, saying, "survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia", is just plain wrong.
Dude, again for the millionth time, you're reaching for something, anything you can to dog the game.
Second, the outfit is not Clouds outfit from FF VII. It is from Advent Children. Two different costumes all together. Again, something a fan of FF would know.
So from that I can tell this is you're first FF?
Third, what's wrong with it having an western feel? At least we celebrate all holidays, even US and EU ones too. You're not racist against Asian's are you? Or Asian decent games? Because that's exactly how it sounds.
You're mad a Japanese made game has no eastern feel to it.
How many times are you going to sling that mis-informed and ignorant 1.0 flop statement? As dozens of posters have already told you (several of those being me) 1.0 flopped because SE's ignorance finally hit its peak. As a company that develops several successful titles its only natural for developers to become arrogant. FFXI for well over a decade did what was in its best interests and followed the ideal "we know what you want" while ignoring all and any community feedback. Hell FFXI didn't even have official forums for over a decade into its release. FFXIV 1.0 was a test alpha release of a AAA MMO at BEST and a buggy crappy graphic whoring UI mess at worst. FFXIV failed due to a companies overinflated hubris, thinking that they could pulls the same stunts they did with FFXI in the far future where MMO's are not a scarcity but rather a abundance. No amount of nostalgia and brand names could help that game sell any better and FFXIII did very little to help in that regard.
If you bothered to play FFXI for more than its trial month maybe even you could see the game was Final Fantasy game only at its core (like all other FF games) but did well to establish itself rather than throwing nostalgic themes/mounts/battles/weapons and repeatedly breaking the 4th wall in desperation to hide its complete lack of any semblance of originality. Past the shallow undercooked and far underdeveloped characters (minus a few) and a few primals the game is just riddled in references/direct and indirect to nearly every FF game to date. Are you seriously arguing an outfits origin to the point there's a honest difference in regards that Advent Children WAS a movie BASED FROM FF7'S UNIVERSE? Also a direct example of repeatedly breaking the 4th wall which FF games a for the most part known NOT to do.
Every final fantasy game had small similarities in monsters/species/primals but each FF game (except direct sequels) had their own world/heroes/villians/story. Meanwhile FFXIV's direct boss rips in dungeons seemed like a nice touch at first, but in reality made me prefer just going back to playing where they came from. These are the base of what FFXIV's success drives from; The brand name while ape-ing WoW and throwing every previous FF reference that it can at your face to drive the nostalgic and inept to play it. FFXIV should of just been called the 30% copyright FF edition. I'll admit the Anime eastern theme comment was a bit vague, but they could of simply meant the character models being a bit anime--esque. FFXIV even in 1.0 had that very anime influenced western perfect pretty doll theme you see in anime.
If you want to play something like WoW but with "Anime Eastern theme", then play FFXIV. It's probably a bit better than WoW these days.
But if you're looking for something new, inovative, unique or new-gen, then don't bother.
It doesn't even have an eastern theme. It's an over the top high fantasy game that survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia it can throw at peoples faces. They have a subscription reward that is literally Cloud Strifes outfit and further up rewards include armor of the rose.
Oh really? Because if that was the case then why did 1.0 fail?
Seems the franchise name and nostalgia alone could not save it from it's doom.
So yeah, saying, "survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia", is just plain wrong.
Dude, again for the millionth time, you're reaching for something, anything you can to dog the game.
Second, the outfit is not Clouds outfit from FF VII. It is from Advent Children. Two different costumes all together. Again, something a fan of FF would know.
So from that I can tell this is you're first FF?
Third, what's wrong with it having an western feel? At least we celebrate all holidays, even US and EU ones too. You're not racist against Asian's are you? Or Asian decent games? Because that's exactly how it sounds.
You're mad a Japanese made game has no eastern feel to it.
Whoa neller here, HellboundHeart. We both know why 1.0 failed and yes the current model does survive off of the franchise name and nostalgia. The reason it currently works and survives is because it is using a popular and proven game model underneath that nostalgia and franchise name, so people can actually enjoy what they are being given. The original Final Fantasy XIV was a mess because they didn't have a clear direction on the game systems underneath it all. It was slow paced, had graphics levels that many machines had difficulty rendering at the time, recycled terrain, etc.
I'm glad you want to be the herald of FFXIV on the boards, but that doesn't mean that every person saying something negative about the game is an enemy you need to go around trying to smash face with. Also, I played the game. A lot of us here have played the game.
If that's the case then why are people saying 1.0 was better in a lot of system aspects?
No the current franchise does NOT live off nostalgia and name alone.
Whoa Neller, don't be pretentious.
You said this game was the worst ever, if so, why has it not failed and burned like 1.0? Why has it not gone F2P? You do know most who play this game have not played any other FF games right?
"The original Final Fantasy XIV was a mess because they didn't have a clear direction on the game systems underneath it all. It was slow paced, had graphics levels that many machines had difficulty rendering at the time, recycled terrain, etc."
Really? I have videos of 1.0 and it did not look bad or have slow combat. They had a years worth of content too. Maybe you're thinking of XI?
Besides, what you just described was SWTOR. And WoW.
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"I'm glad you want to be the herald of FFXIV on the boards, but that doesn't mean that every person saying something negative about the game is an enemy you need to go around trying to smash face with. Also, I played the game. A lot of us here have played the game."
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No. Like I said 100 times, I hate when people give false knowledge of games. All you do, again, is spew lies.
Yes, combat is slow. Yes there are 3 ways to get different gear. Yes, it's a themepark.
So why are you still here if you hate the game so much? Why? Do you have no other life that you have to come here and display you're disgust for a game instead of doing something else?
We get it dude, you hate everything.
According to you nobody should play this game and it should be shut down right now because you don't like it and can't fathom why others would like it.
Now that is just sad.
I think you lost me at where you presumed I said this was the worst game ever. The most I've ever said about this game is that it isn't MMO of the year 2015 material, but in the absence of anything better it still is a better MMORPG than much of it's competition.
The reason a lot of people said they liked the systems in FFXIV (or at least some of them) is because some of those systems were quite good. I actually agree with them on some of their points as well. The trouble is that a game is the sum of it's parts, and if the sum of the parts ends up making a plane with a refrigerator strapped to the wing it just isn't going to result in something that flies.
As a bit of history, I played both 1.0 and the relaunched game. FFXIV the original had systems that were similar to those of FFXI and it also had a strong dream of a player run economy.
Also, stop it with the personal attacks. They don't reflect well on the person who makes them, ever.
I think we should just label anyone who asks if a game is good without indicating what they like a troll and move on XD
Can't say i disagree with you in the least, laziness is truly abundant thing these days. Social media/yourube/twitch are just a few ways for uninformed players to educate themselves on whether a game could be a fit for them. Pair this with the fact that most MMO's these days come in the form of a trial and the humble bundle comment stating the games sale on top of that. Regardless of that asking randoms on forums MMORPG is probably the worst place to do and I say that knowing how Reddit and official game boards are.
If that's the case then why are people saying 1.0 was better in a lot of system aspects?
No the current franchise does NOT live off nostalgia and name alone.
Whoa Neller, don't be pretentious.
You said this game was the worst ever, if so, why has it not failed and burned like 1.0? Why has it not gone F2P? You do know most who play this game have not played any other FF games right?
"The original Final Fantasy XIV was a mess because they didn't have a clear direction on the game systems underneath it all. It was slow paced, had graphics levels that many machines had difficulty rendering at the time, recycled terrain, etc."
Really? I have videos of 1.0 and it did not look bad or have slow combat. They had a years worth of content too. Maybe you're thinking of XI?
Besides, what you just described was SWTOR. And WoW.
What you're missing form the picture is that 1.0 and 1.2x were very different games. Yet people often refer to the entire period as 1.0. You've got well over a year of Yoshi making drastic changes and significant improvements by the time you get to the end of the "1.0" era. It was the final polish product in 1.2x that some people preferred over ARR not the trainwreck that was 1.0.
Besides, what you just described was SWTOR. And WoW.
True nostalgia is vital for both of those games as well. I would say nostalgia is almost 100% responsible for the success of SWTOR, without the Star Wars brand that game would be deader than Wildstar. For WoW bringing in their huge rts fan base to MMOs was a vital part of what made vanilla WoW so successful. What keeps so many WoW players around? Some of it has to be nostalgia for the good ole days.
Also, stop it with the personal attacks. They don't reflect well on the person who makes them, ever.
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Resorting to personal attacks and berating people with questions and accusations is never a good way to make a point. You seem to take personal offense when people have a problem with FFXIV. Agree with them or not, it's their opinion; it doesn't make it right or wrong, because it's subjective.
Not everyone is going to have absolutely glowing reviews and opinions of a game they've played (perhaps) for a long period of time. Over the course of playing FFXIV for more than a year, I can tell you the game has it's problems; if someone is asking about the game, it'd be remiss to not mention them (even professional reviewers do this). However, that doesn't mean the game isn't worth playing or a terrible game.
1.23 "Could of been better" is my more realistic and logical way of explaining in the original games potential rather than taking a purely 1.0 white knight stance. Even in 1.23 the game saw a lot of issues but it was a FIRM step in the right direction while maintaining the games originality in the MMORPG space. Because of terrible development and poor planning 1.0's engine would of never saw PS4 let alone PS3 release but I don't feel this would of been a bad thing. I sincerely feel a MMORPG should always stay PC only and FFXI should of been a very grim example of why this should be reinforced. To make a game run properly on a console corners need to be cut and in comes the instanced lobby WoW clone mess to remedy that. Even while cutting corners there are STILL frame dips while doing open world events such as FATES even on PS4.
When the community asked about IDLEshyre in HW we were informed the zone was not originally intended to be instanced but due to "PS3 Limitations" it was made its own instanced zone. I'm sure there are those of you here that can see where this is going. There is a possibility this game is focusing on being a shiny lobby server adventure rather than a open breathing World a MMORPG should be for the same reason that held its predecessor back.
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In closing those players like myself that are here still complaining because we care about the game becoming something bigger and better (which is another thing I've told you countless times) than what it currently is. This could because we saw a shred of originality in 1.0 or maybe we are a FF brand supporter. And that being so maybe we weren't one of the 2.0 relaunch lemmings and know what SE as a company and creator of a final fantasy experience is capable of. Change happens when we as a community expect more and know a game can be more, not by telling everyone to get off of your neatly trimmed moogle house because they share different views than you.
I would say the game is something people should see, but I think anybody looking for any sort of long term home here will be disappointed by the terrible combat and community. This is just another "grind your ilvl" game, and the combat is not enjoyable enough for it to survive on that alone.
Somebody is afraid of change. Either that or HW came out and you never bought it.
If you did, you would always remember:
Some of the most heart wrenching, funny, and epic things have happened in HW. ESPECIALLY during the story.
I don't want to spoil anything for anybody who has not yet gotten this far but, I would love to post spoiler videos. Long cutscenes that will make you cry, laugh, and be shocked in awe.
If the combat feels slow for you, then you're playing you're job wrong. Get good. And by the way, you know nothing of the community in game.
This site and reddit do not reflect those actually in game. Or you could just not be a dick to people in game like you are to people here. Maybe? Or you're one of those new age people who gets mad when they have to socialize in an mmo? I can get along with any community in any game, even games I despise. What exactly are you doing wrong?
This is extremely ignorant. Literally every single class memorizes buttons in a preset pattern for the first 30 seconds of the fight, then waits for the glacial GCD and plays whackamole with their off GCD cooldowns as they come up.
Every. Single. Class.
You implying it is me doing it wrong is either your ignorance of how to play any class correctly, or just trolling.
The community being a problem in NA is no secret. The japanese community clears more content and has a reputation for being far nicer.
Ironically enough your comments claiming to defend the community and telling me I have to "get good" are a good example of the type of toxicity a player can expect at max level.
Edit: I see now you are just trolling throughout this thread, it seems many posters express similar sentiments to my own.
Also, I never commented negatively on HW's main story. It is one of the few positive aspects. It is every quest outside of the main story that is terribly written without an ounce of effort or thought put in, unlike the base game where every quest felt well done. The main story is not long enough to justify the expac, and after playing through SWTOR more I am no longer nearly as impressed with the HW msq as I was before.
I would say the game is something people should see, but I think anybody looking for any sort of long term home here will be disappointed by the terrible combat and community. This is just another "grind your ilvl" game, and the combat is not enjoyable enough for it to survive on that alone.
Somebody is afraid of change. Either that or HW came out and you never bought it.
If you did, you would always remember:
Some of the most heart wrenching, funny, and epic things have happened in HW. ESPECIALLY during the story.
I don't want to spoil anything for anybody who has not yet gotten this far but, I would love to post spoiler videos. Long cutscenes that will make you cry, laugh, and be shocked in awe.
If the combat feels slow for you, then you're playing you're job wrong. Get good. And by the way, you know nothing of the community in game.
This site and reddit do not reflect those actually in game. Or you could just not be a dick to people in game like you are to people here. Maybe? Or you're one of those new age people who gets mad when they have to socialize in an mmo? I can get along with any community in any game, even games I despise. What exactly are you doing wrong?
This is extremely ignorant. Literally every single class memorizes buttons in a preset pattern for the first 30 seconds of the fight, then waits for the glacial GCD and plays whackamole with their off GCD cooldowns as they come up.
Every. Single. Class.
You implying it is me doing it wrong is either your ignorance of how to play any class correctly, or just trolling.
The community being a problem in NA is no secret. The japanese community clears more content and has a reputation for being far nicer.
Ironically enough your comments claiming to defend the community and telling me I have to "get good" are a good example of the type of toxicity a player can expect at max level.
Edit: I see now you are just trolling throughout this thread, it seems many posters express similar sentiments to my own.
Also, I never commented negatively on HW's main story. It is one of the few positive aspects. It is every quest outside of the main story that is terribly written without an ounce of effort or thought put in, unlike the base game where every quest felt well done. The main story is not long enough to justify the expac, and after playing through SWTOR more I am no longer nearly as impressed with the HW msq as I was before.
You are absolutely right. The combat is exactly like the Boss fights. You memorize a rotation and repeat it. It's the only way to beat the extremely tight tuned DPS checks in most dungeons.
The community is very toxic and elitist. I was in the same LS as Mr.Happy (one of the few FFXIV youtubers) I remember back when we did coil and it was required you level an alt for coil. When new people wanted to join our FC they had to have at least one alt fully geared for coil and they needed to show everyone their DPS rotation before being accepted. Third party DPS loggers where used constantly to judge performance. That is what bad content is doing, it creates bad communities.
People forget how to have fun playing a game. Although in this case it's no wonder since the content is not fun to play.
The best part of the game is the story and graphics. But it does not justify a subscription when the rest of the game is boring. It's enough for me to come back every couple of months to continue the main story line and then let my sub lapse again. Sometimes i can do it with the free weekends.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling." - Michael Bitton Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about." - SEANMCAD
First SWTOR is a single player co op game. It is not an mmorpg anymore as you can solo EVERYTHING with ease. Talk about easy. And gear progression? You mean get you starfighter suit in the mail and mod to 65? YUP. You want to talk about linear progression. I can keep free gear I got in mail all the way to 65 and still be the strongest in the game. I would also like to point out that HW was 40 hours+ of story and SWTOR's KotF was barely 10. Each chapter a month will be an hour long. Maybe less. And their making you pay 15$ for it. I have all classes to 65 and it took me only 3 months. Extremely casually too. I can stream this as well too. So, SWTOR vs FF is not going to work. And not everybody who likes Star Wars is playing SWTOR, ****points to self**** as I am now waiting on new content, which let's be honest, is re hashed between characters, just a light and dark side choice lol. Oh yeah, I play SWTOR dude. Played** Will when new content comes.
Next, there is no one perfect rotation for a job. This is not Dulfy.net where every class in SWTOR only has one rotation.
To prove you wrong like always, you can come by my stream and i'll show you 4 different rotations with a DRG all utilizing BotD. Allow me to post some youtube videos:
Whata ya know, I didn't need to stream. Google and youtube proved you wrong. Again.
But if you need further proof there is more then one rotation for every job then let me know. I have all DoW and most DoM to 60 already and can show you some things.
It's called get good. Or stop being narrow minded.
There's more then one set and way to get 210 gear. There's more then one rotation per job to be optimal.
Second, I don't think side stuff like Hildabrand and Moogle Mail were boring or not done right. If you played those then you would know a lot of work went into it.
And for you're edit, it's only you 3 here bitching to no end. ONLY YOU 3. EVER.
I see nobody else swarming these forums with negativity except you 3.
if you want to shut me up, then post proof there is only one way to get 210 gear and that their is only one set. Show me proof that their is only one rotation per job only.
Like they say, proof is in the pudding. I can show you definitive proof. Yet all you have done is voice an opinion without facts. But, you'll just ignore this and rant about something else. Because, god forbid, I actually prove you wrong. With in game proof.
By the way, I got another player from yesterday from this thread that I cleared up misinformation by showing them how things really are. I went from 15 to 16 followers. Dude asked me last night, "Is their really only one set of top gear?" and I showed him, ahem, 4 different sets of 210 and 3 different was to get it.
Smart people will come by and see for themselves. Not the word of somebody who is mad at the game for whatever reason.
The more you bump this thread, the more people come to my stream and see for them selves. In 2 day's I got 3 people to sub and play all by watching my stream and showing them you dude's are wrong. 2 of which are on Cactuar server and currently in my FC.
Now, story is subjective, either you like it or you don't. Who cares.
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"Stop attacking me" "but, but, but,........something else wrong" Or you ignore everything and just find one tiny thing to pick apart because you just might be scared that i'm right.
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Now to prove i'm not "White Knighting" I am going to list things I despise in this game and there is a lot:
1 - Cannot queue with companions out 2 - BRD's and MCH's now cast, what bs that is. I honestly want to NOT get my MCH from 55 to 60....... 3 - Dungeons are unique but linear and lower enemies are reused 4 - Not truly open world 5 - Housing is just plain ol' bs in and of itself 6 - No cross server raid finder, might come with 3.2 7 - Raids are somewhat impossable to do. ***cough*** A4S ***cough*** 8 - Moogle side quests. Nuff' said. 9 - Red and Blue scrips 10 - Little to no voice acting 11 - Most of my mounts DONT fly 12 - Relic and Anima 13 - GIL SELLERS 14 - GCD should be at least 2.0 and not 2.5 15 - MB prices at times 16 - Can't regular queue for Diadem or HM. 17 - Titan Extreme 18 - I want to use items while mounted 19 - Mounted combat would be hella fun 20 - ARR hunts are better then HW hunts as of right now, total bs 21 - PvP sucks and the queue takes forever. 22 - Level synching to a lower level and feeling useless with blacked out skills.
I can keep going if you guy's and gal's would like. I have said a million times, it is okay to have an opinion but, don't lie. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. My positive list is about 4x bigger then the negative list.
The game is not shit. People just need to do the trial is all and judge for themselves. Don't worry a new player about end game. It's going to be a while till they get there anyway and by then somebody in game has shown them the ropes.
Can we stop fighting now? I want you people to realize that this game is not perfect. I KNOW it's not perfect. I never said it was. Ever.
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You collect tokens which are limited per week to get armour that is marginally better than the one you wearing. There is no choice. You get 1 new set every 3-4 months.
All you do to get tokens is run all old content and new content a million times. But remember, you can only get a limited amount of tokens per week so you can't play the way you want.
Classes are generic. Black Mage for example does not cast spells (although they call them "fire spells"), they are just DPS ability X with Y damage. You can kill Ifrit the God of fire with your "fire spells". It is quite pathetic.
End game fights are timed to the second. All you need to do is learn the pattern. Players call the eng game "synchronized rope jumping" and they are pretty accurate with that. No skill needed.
It's probably the most boring MMORPG i have yet played.
TLDR: Grind weekly allowance of tokens for armour and weapon once every 3-4 months. No side-grades at all. There is only 1 type of armour. A 5 year old can play the game.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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Notice how this user here has no personal input as he uses words like, "I heard..." and "People say".
By the way, for lore purposes, ASTRAL FIRE AND UMBRAL FIRE are two different things. Same with Ice/Blizzard.
Shiva and Ifrit are born of Umbral Fire and Astral Ice. So using Asrtal Fire and Umbral Blizzard will have a different effect.
Were you just never paying attention in the game like, ever?
Next, Ifrit is not the god of fire, he is , "The Lord of the Inferno".
Yeah only one type of armour, except Diadem gear, ESO, AS gear, etc. But only one type. Only one way to get it too except Dungeons, hunts, diadem, etc. But, again, only one way to get it.
Have fun with the one gear set game and the easy mode boss fights, keep grinding those restricted tokens for gear that is the same as your last gear +1. Then after 4 months start over again grinding old dungeons for tokens. It is pathetic.
Not everyone enjoys simple games. Some people like games with choice and difficulty.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
- SEANMCAD
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Also +1 for FFXI. I'd play it too, but the game is old and hasn't aged well. If they had delivered a graphically improved FFXI in FFXIV with improved controls instead of the original unholy abomination that was FFXIV 1.0, we might have had something to really look forward to besides more market exploitation.
NOT A BAD GAME.
The treadmill isn't a bad thing, but the way they disguise it could use a little work; this is where even a little horizontal progression would greatly benefit the game.
But if you're looking for something new, inovative, unique or new-gen, then don't bother.
Seems the franchise name and nostalgia alone could not save it from it's doom.
So yeah, saying, "survives off of a franchise name and what bits of nostalgia", is just plain wrong.
Dude, again for the millionth time, you're reaching for something, anything you can to dog the game.
Second, the outfit is not Clouds outfit from FF VII. It is from Advent Children. Two different costumes all together. Again, something a fan of FF would know.
So from that I can tell this is you're first FF?
Third, what's wrong with it having an western feel? At least we celebrate all holidays, even US and EU ones too. You're not racist against Asian's are you? Or Asian decent games? Because that's exactly how it sounds.
You're mad a Japanese made game has no eastern feel to it.
This way I have the game up and nobody can say differently or make anything up at all.
However, one thing this game does exceptionally well is provide a variety of content for different play types. Crafters and gathers have all their own classes, obviously. But you also have housing, gardening, chocobo companions, chocobo breeding, chocobo racing, gold saucer attractions, pet collections/battles, airship missions, and a plethora of other stuff that doesn't fall under the endgame label.
I personally thought Heavensward was a fantastic expansion, easily on par with anything WoW has put out (though I wouldn't quite put it on the same level as my gold standard, which is the Mines of Moria expansion for LotRO).
If you haven't already tried the game, do so. Like WoW and Eve Online, it's a game everyone should definitely try once.
I'm glad you want to be the herald of FFXIV on the boards, but that doesn't mean that every person saying something negative about the game is an enemy you need to go around trying to smash face with. Also, I played the game. A lot of us here have played the game. Also, what in the name of all that is holy gave you the idea that I dislike Final Fantasy because it doesn't have Shugenja and Samurai with people dealing with kami? O.o
No the current franchise does NOT live off nostalgia and name alone.
Whoa Neller, don't be pretentious.
You said this game was the worst ever, if so, why has it not failed and burned like 1.0? Why has it not gone F2P? You do know most who play this game have not played any other FF games right?
"The original Final Fantasy XIV was a mess because they didn't have a clear direction on the game systems underneath it all. It was slow paced, had graphics levels that many machines had difficulty rendering at the time, recycled terrain, etc."
Really? I have videos of 1.0 and it did not look bad or have slow combat. They had a years worth of content too. Maybe you're thinking of XI?
Besides, what you just described was SWTOR. And WoW.
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"I'm glad you want to be the herald of FFXIV on the boards, but that doesn't mean that every person saying something negative about the game is an enemy you need to go around trying to smash face with. Also, I played the game. A lot of us here have played the game."
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No. Like I said 100 times, I hate when people give false knowledge of games. All you do, again, is spew lies.
Yes, combat is slow. Yes there are 3 ways to get different gear. Yes, it's a themepark.
So why are you still here if you hate the game so much? Why? Do you have no other life that you have to come here and display you're disgust for a game instead of doing something else?
We get it dude, you hate everything.
According to you nobody should play this game and it should be shut down right now because you don't like it and can't fathom why others would like it.
Now that is just sad.
If you bothered to play FFXI for more than its trial month maybe even you could see the game was Final Fantasy game only at its core (like all other FF games) but did well to establish itself rather than throwing nostalgic themes/mounts/battles/weapons and repeatedly breaking the 4th wall in desperation to hide its complete lack of any semblance of originality. Past the shallow undercooked and far underdeveloped characters (minus a few) and a few primals the game is just riddled in references/direct and indirect to nearly every FF game to date. Are you seriously arguing an outfits origin to the point there's a honest difference in regards that Advent Children WAS a movie BASED FROM FF7'S UNIVERSE? Also a direct example of repeatedly breaking the 4th wall which FF games a for the most part known NOT to do.
Every final fantasy game had small similarities in monsters/species/primals but each FF game (except direct sequels) had their own world/heroes/villians/story. Meanwhile FFXIV's direct boss rips in dungeons seemed like a nice touch at first, but in reality made me prefer just going back to playing where they came from. These are the base of what FFXIV's success drives from; The brand name while ape-ing WoW and throwing every previous FF reference that it can at your face to drive the nostalgic and inept to play it. FFXIV should of just been called the 30% copyright FF edition. I'll admit the Anime eastern theme comment was a bit vague, but they could of simply meant the character models being a bit anime--esque. FFXIV even in 1.0 had that very anime influenced western perfect pretty doll theme you see in anime.
The reason a lot of people said they liked the systems in FFXIV (or at least some of them) is because some of those systems were quite good. I actually agree with them on some of their points as well. The trouble is that a game is the sum of it's parts, and if the sum of the parts ends up making a plane with a refrigerator strapped to the wing it just isn't going to result in something that flies.
As a bit of history, I played both 1.0 and the relaunched game. FFXIV the original had systems that were similar to those of FFXI and it also had a strong dream of a player run economy.
Also, stop it with the personal attacks. They don't reflect well on the person who makes them, ever.
Can't say i disagree with you in the least, laziness is truly abundant thing these days. Social media/yourube/twitch are just a few ways for uninformed players to educate themselves on whether a game could be a fit for them. Pair this with the fact that most MMO's these days come in the form of a trial and the humble bundle comment stating the games sale on top of that. Regardless of that asking randoms on forums MMORPG is probably the worst place to do and I say that knowing how Reddit and official game boards are.
True nostalgia is vital for both of those games as well. I would say nostalgia is almost 100% responsible for the success of SWTOR, without the Star Wars brand that game would be deader than Wildstar. For WoW bringing in their huge rts fan base to MMOs was a vital part of what made vanilla WoW so successful. What keeps so many WoW players around? Some of it has to be nostalgia for the good ole days.
Not everyone is going to have absolutely glowing reviews and opinions of a game they've played (perhaps) for a long period of time. Over the course of playing FFXIV for more than a year, I can tell you the game has it's problems; if someone is asking about the game, it'd be remiss to not mention them (even professional reviewers do this). However, that doesn't mean the game isn't worth playing or a terrible game.
When the community asked about IDLEshyre in HW we were informed the zone was not originally intended to be instanced but due to "PS3 Limitations" it was made its own instanced zone. I'm sure there are those of you here that can see where this is going. There is a possibility this game is focusing on being a shiny lobby server adventure rather than a open breathing World a MMORPG should be for the same reason that held its predecessor back.
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In closing those players like myself that are here still complaining because we care about the game becoming something bigger and better (which is another thing I've told you countless times) than what it currently is. This could because we saw a shred of originality in 1.0 or maybe we are a FF brand supporter. And that being so maybe we weren't one of the 2.0 relaunch lemmings and know what SE as a company and creator of a final fantasy experience is capable of. Change happens when we as a community expect more and know a game can be more, not by telling everyone to get off of your neatly trimmed moogle house because they share different views than you.
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Every. Single. Class.
You implying it is me doing it wrong is either your ignorance of how to play any class correctly, or just trolling.
The community being a problem in NA is no secret. The japanese community clears more content and has a reputation for being far nicer.
Ironically enough your comments claiming to defend the community and telling me I have to "get good" are a good example of the type of toxicity a player can expect at max level.
Edit: I see now you are just trolling throughout this thread, it seems many posters express similar sentiments to my own.
Also, I never commented negatively on HW's main story. It is one of the few positive aspects. It is every quest outside of the main story that is terribly written without an ounce of effort or thought put in, unlike the base game where every quest felt well done. The main story is not long enough to justify the expac, and after playing through SWTOR more I am no longer nearly as impressed with the HW msq as I was before.
The community is very toxic and elitist. I was in the same LS as Mr.Happy (one of the few FFXIV youtubers) I remember back when we did coil and it was required you level an alt for coil. When new people wanted to join our FC they had to have at least one alt fully geared for coil and they needed to show everyone their DPS rotation before being accepted. Third party DPS loggers where used constantly to judge performance. That is what bad content is doing, it creates bad communities.
People forget how to have fun playing a game. Although in this case it's no wonder since the content is not fun to play.
The best part of the game is the story and graphics. But it does not justify a subscription when the rest of the game is boring. It's enough for me to come back every couple of months to continue the main story line and then let my sub lapse again. Sometimes i can do it with the free weekends.
"It's pretty simple, really. If your only intention in posting about a particular game or topic is to be negative, then yes, you should probably move on. Voicing a negative opinion is fine, continually doing so on the same game is basically just trolling."
- Michael Bitton
Community Manager, MMORPG.com
"As an online discussion about Star Citizen grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Derek Smart approaches 1" - MrSnuffles's law
"I am jumping in here a bit without knowing exactly what you all or talking about."
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Next, there is no one perfect rotation for a job. This is not Dulfy.net where every class in SWTOR only has one rotation.
To prove you wrong like always, you can come by my stream and i'll show you 4 different rotations with a DRG all utilizing BotD. Allow me to post some youtube videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fyo8fdmmglk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjnOKg56N60
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dragoon+rotation+guide+3.0
Whata ya know, I didn't need to stream. Google and youtube proved you wrong. Again.
But if you need further proof there is more then one rotation for every job then let me know. I have all DoW and most DoM to 60 already and can show you some things.
It's called get good. Or stop being narrow minded.
There's more then one set and way to get 210 gear. There's more then one rotation per job to be optimal.
Second, I don't think side stuff like Hildabrand and Moogle Mail were boring or not done right. If you played those then you would know a lot of work went into it.
And for you're edit, it's only you 3 here bitching to no end. ONLY YOU 3. EVER.
I see nobody else swarming these forums with negativity except you 3.
if you want to shut me up, then post proof there is only one way to get 210 gear and that their is only one set. Show me proof that their is only one rotation per job only.
Like they say, proof is in the pudding. I can show you definitive proof. Yet all you have done is voice an opinion without facts. But, you'll just ignore this and rant about something else. Because, god forbid, I actually prove you wrong. With in game proof.
By the way, I got another player from yesterday from this thread that I cleared up misinformation by showing them how things really are. I went from 15 to 16 followers. Dude asked me last night, "Is their really only one set of top gear?" and I showed him, ahem, 4 different sets of 210 and 3 different was to get it.
Smart people will come by and see for themselves. Not the word of somebody who is mad at the game for whatever reason.
The more you bump this thread, the more people come to my stream and see for them selves. In 2 day's I got 3 people to sub and play all by watching my stream and showing them you dude's are wrong. 2 of which are on Cactuar server and currently in my FC.
Now, story is subjective, either you like it or you don't. Who cares.
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Now to prove i'm not "White Knighting" I am going to list things I despise in this game and there is a lot:
1 - Cannot queue with companions out
2 - BRD's and MCH's now cast, what bs that is. I honestly want to NOT get my MCH from 55 to 60.......
3 - Dungeons are unique but linear and lower enemies are reused
4 - Not truly open world
5 - Housing is just plain ol' bs in and of itself
6 - No cross server raid finder, might come with 3.2
7 - Raids are somewhat impossable to do. ***cough*** A4S ***cough***
8 - Moogle side quests. Nuff' said.
9 - Red and Blue scrips
10 - Little to no voice acting
11 - Most of my mounts DONT fly
12 - Relic and Anima
13 - GIL SELLERS
14 - GCD should be at least 2.0 and not 2.5
15 - MB prices at times
16 - Can't regular queue for Diadem or HM.
17 - Titan Extreme
18 - I want to use items while mounted
19 - Mounted combat would be hella fun
20 - ARR hunts are better then HW hunts as of right now, total bs
21 - PvP sucks and the queue takes forever.
22 - Level synching to a lower level and feeling useless with blacked out skills.
I can keep going if you guy's and gal's would like. I have said a million times, it is okay to have an opinion but, don't lie. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill. My positive list is about 4x bigger then the negative list.
The game is not shit. People just need to do the trial is all and judge for themselves. Don't worry a new player about end game. It's going to be a while till they get there anyway and by then somebody in game has shown them the ropes.
Can we stop fighting now? I want you people to realize that this game is not perfect. I KNOW it's not perfect. I never said it was. Ever.