It's funny, kind of cute, but ultimately sad that people still think Star Citizen is anything other than a massive, stinking, steaming pile of Chris Robert's ego.
As someone who grew up on flight sims (hello X-Wing/Tie-Fighter!) and other sim-type cockpit games (MechWarrior!) it saddens me greatly.
It's funny, kind of cute, but ultimately sad that people still think Star Citizen is anything other than a massive, stinking, steaming pile of Chris Robert's ego.
As someone who grew up on flight sims (hello X-Wing/Tie-Fighter!) and other sim-type cockpit games (MechWarrior!) it saddens me greatly.
Now, this is meaningful, comprehensive and constructive input. From a flight sims veteran nonetheless.
Posts like this are in short supply on the SC's boards.
It's funny, kind of cute, but ultimately sad that people still think Star Citizen is anything other than a massive, stinking, steaming pile of Chris Robert's ego.
As someone who grew up on flight sims (hello X-Wing/Tie-Fighter!) and other sim-type cockpit games (MechWarrior!) it saddens me greatly.
Now, this is meaningful, comprehensive and constructive input. From a flight sims veteran nonetheless.
Posts like this are in short supply on the SC's boards.
Because posts are edited and detractors are banned.
Episode 1, released "this year", 70 missions - Chris Roberts, April 6, 2015, 10 for the chairman episode 59
How do people defend these lies? How much bending do you actually accept, with "delays are expected", "project scope can change" before you break? Just wow. Why do you put up with this and make excuse after excuse for it? What are you thinking.
Wake up.
What you call lies, I call realities. Please, tell me how many games due for release this year were delayed. Oh, you don't have to because I already did and it's around 75% based on a sampling of 30 or so games.
Why hey do detractors feel that posting humorous videos == proof of some sort? Thanks for the comic relief though.
Basically, if we subscribe to your definition of a lie, then 3/4 of developers are liars.
Lies, lies and more lies. Are you going to tell me Roberts really thought SC would release middle of 2016? Is this a delay or a lie?
They were lies, and after 4 years of development ( claimed he started on a small scale in 2011) here is what they have to show for a game.
I wish you would use your super powered psychic ability that lets you read minds to fight crime or something
You honestly have no way of knowing one way or the other. Considering the number of changes and his general confidence level I have little trouble believing he probably thought it could be done. Was he right? Hell no. Am I surprised? Not really. Confidence is a double edged sword. You need it to push the envelop when others say you can't, but of course that can lead to failure by reaching to far. No one will know which until this is over.
I would purchase S42 if it turns out to be good. I enjoy space shooters especially with a variety of enemies. However at this point it just feels like they are scraping the bottom of the pan to try and get anything on a plate and then on the table. It doesnt feel good at all.
I wonder if this decision has anything to do with No Mans Sky? That game is for sure releasing in a decent quality state considering that they have done extensive live demos showing off all sorts of features and scope.. Compared to SC that has shown very little and very underwhelming when they have..
What you call lies, I call realities. Please, tell me how many games due for release this year were delayed. Oh, you don't have to because I already did and it's around 75% based on a sampling of 30 or so games.
How many of these games took 100 million dollars from players in advance?
Lies, lies and more lies. Are you going to tell me Roberts really thought SC would release middle of 2016? Is this a delay or a lie?
They were lies, and after 4 years of development ( claimed he started on a small scale in 2011) here is what they have to show for a game.
Are you telling us with a straight face that this is the first and only occasion where a developer doesn't meet an estimated release period ? Again, period NOT set date. And this makes him a liar ? You should call liars a dozen others like Blizzard, Rockstar, Ubisoft and CD Projekt then.
As for the footage you linked, it shows that you're just a mindless hater with no real arguments.
There are dozen others out there showing bug free game play yet you choose this one. I can show you a 4 minute video showing Geralt stuck at the gates of Novigrad. What would this prove ? Tell me.
What you call lies, I call realities. Please, tell me how many games due for release this year were delayed. Oh, you don't have to because I already did and it's around 75% based on a sampling of 30 or so games.
How many of these games took 100 million dollars from players in advance?
Problem these days is people are now conditioned to think of Alphas in the way that Betas used to be during the 90s.
So they claim they're in Alpha, so people expect some sort of playable game with only minor testing needed before it goes into launch.
Also they expect things way too fast, I mean common, the only things that get developed in 2 years are major movies, everyone knows good games take around 4 years for release, or should know.
What you call lies, I call realities. Please, tell me how many games due for release this year were delayed. Oh, you don't have to because I already did and it's around 75% based on a sampling of 30 or so games.
How many of these games took 100 million dollars from players in advance?
Problem these days is people are now conditioned to think of Alphas in the way that Betas used to be during the 90s.
Seems so. I remember participating in betas and alphas decades ago. What gets referred to as betas these days are trials and marketing tools, overall. And alphas are frequently near betas or betas with the name changed. If anything this reminds me of the old alphas.
What you call lies, I call realities. Please, tell me how many games due for release this year were delayed. Oh, you don't have to because I already did and it's around 75% based on a sampling of 30 or so games.
How many of these games took 100 million dollars from players in advance?
Were given or perhaps accepted, not took.
This isn't about church or charity you know?
But it is still about donations isn't it? Cuz that is what they are.
It's funny, kind of cute, but ultimately sad that people still think Star Citizen is anything other than a massive, stinking, steaming pile of Chris Robert's ego.
As someone who grew up on flight sims (hello X-Wing/Tie-Fighter!) and other sim-type cockpit games (MechWarrior!) it saddens me greatly.
Now, this is meaningful, comprehensive and constructive input. From a flight sims veteran nonetheless.
Posts like this are in short supply on the SC's boards.
Because posts are edited and detractors are banned.
Problem these days is people are now conditioned to think of Alphas in the way that Betas used to be during the 90s.
So they claim they're in Alpha, so people expect some sort of playable game with only minor testing needed before it goes into launch.
Also they expect things way too fast, I mean common, the only things that get developed in 2 years are major movies, everyone knows good games take around 4 years for release, or should know.
No, you have it backwards. People now believe "what is not even yet an alpha" is an "alpha".
Problem these days is people are now conditioned to think of Alphas in the way that Betas used to be during the 90s.
So they claim they're in Alpha, so people expect some sort of playable game with only minor testing needed before it goes into launch.
Also they expect things way too fast, I mean common, the only things that get developed in 2 years are major movies, everyone knows good games take around 4 years for release, or should know.
No, you have it backwards. People now believe "what is not even yet an alpha" is an "alpha".
Good thing for everyone you don't get to decide what is an alpha. You can continue to tell that lie to yourself and others. It will make it no more true.
But it is still about donations isn't it? Cuz that is what they are.
No, this isn't about donations. If you consider selling virtual items for 2500$ and more a "donation" then you have a twisted sense of reality.
When you crowdfund you are a donor. That makes the money you give a donation. At no point did I argue that I thought it wise to give someone 2500 dollars for a possible game.
When you crowdfund you are a donor. That makes the money you give a donation. At no point did I argue that I thought it wise to give someone 2500 dollars for a possible game.
When you crowdfund you are a donor. That makes the money you give a donation. At no point did I argue that I thought it wise to give someone 2500 dollars for a possible game.
You can continue to tell that lie to yourself and others. It will make it no more true.
Nice attempt at cleverness.
You claim --> "If you consider selling virtual items for 2500$ and more a "donation" then you have a twisted sense of reality."
In actuality, it would be those who don't realize it is a donation that suffer from a twisted sense of reality...and since you don't think it is then it is indeed you with the issue.
Allow me to post this definition in an attempt to clear this up.
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DEFINITION of 'Donation-based Crowd Funding'
Donation-based crowdfunding is a way to source money for a project by asking a large number of contributors to donate a small amount to it. In return, backers may receive token rewards that increase in prestige as the size of the donation increases; for small sums, the funder may receive nothing at all. Sometimes referred to as rewards crowdfunding, the tokens for donations may include pre-sales of an item to be produced with funds raised. Donation-based crowdfunding can also be used in an effort to raise funds for charitable causes.
Because this sort of crowdfunding is predicated on donations, funders do not obtain any ownership or rights to the project, nor do they become creditors to the project.
But it is still about donations isn't it? Cuz that is what they are.
No, this isn't about donations. If you consider selling virtual items for 2500$ and more a "donation" then you have a twisted sense of reality.
When you crowdfund you are a donor. That makes the money you give a donation. At no point did I argue that I thought it wise to give someone 2500 dollars for a possible game.
Is a $15000 package considered tax deductible? Because if it is I just might buy it.
But it is still about donations isn't it? Cuz that is what they are.
No, this isn't about donations. If you consider selling virtual items for 2500$ and more a "donation" then you have a twisted sense of reality.
When you crowdfund you are a donor. That makes the money you give a donation. At no point did I argue that I thought it wise to give someone 2500 dollars for a possible game.
Is a $15000 package considered tax deductible? Because if it is I just might buy it.
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As someone who grew up on flight sims (hello X-Wing/Tie-Fighter!) and other sim-type cockpit games (MechWarrior!) it saddens me greatly.
Posts like this are in short supply on the SC's boards.
Lies, lies and more lies. Are you going to tell me Roberts really thought SC would release middle of 2016? Is this a delay or a lie?
They were lies, and after 4 years of development ( claimed he started on a small scale in 2011) here is what they have to show for a game.
What you call lies, I call realities. Please, tell me how many games due for release this year were delayed. Oh, you don't have to because I already did and it's around 75% based on a sampling of 30 or so games.
Why hey do detractors feel that posting humorous videos == proof of some sort? Thanks for the comic relief though.
Basically, if we subscribe to your definition of a lie, then 3/4 of developers are liars.
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You honestly have no way of knowing one way or the other.
Considering the number of changes and his general confidence level I have little trouble believing he probably thought it could be done.
Was he right?
Hell no.
Am I surprised?
Not really.
Confidence is a double edged sword. You need it to push the envelop when others say you can't, but of course that can lead to failure by reaching to far. No one will know which until this is over.
I wonder if this decision has anything to do with No Mans Sky? That game is for sure releasing in a decent quality state considering that they have done extensive live demos showing off all sorts of features and scope.. Compared to SC that has shown very little and very underwhelming when they have..
As for the footage you linked, it shows that you're just a mindless hater with no real arguments.
There are dozen others out there showing bug free game play yet you choose this one. I can show you a 4 minute video showing Geralt stuck at the gates of Novigrad. What would this prove ? Tell me.
So they claim they're in Alpha, so people expect some sort of playable game with only minor testing needed before it goes into launch.
Also they expect things way too fast, I mean common, the only things that get developed in 2 years are major movies, everyone knows good games take around 4 years for release, or should know.
What gets referred to as betas these days are trials and marketing tools, overall.
And alphas are frequently near betas or betas with the name changed.
If anything this reminds me of the old alphas.
Cuz that is what they are.
If you consider selling virtual items for 2500$ and more a "donation" then you have a twisted sense of reality.
You can continue to tell that lie to yourself and others.
It will make it no more true.
That makes the money you give a donation.
At no point did I argue that I thought it wise to give someone 2500 dollars for a possible game.
You answered yourself up there
You claim --> "If you consider selling virtual items for 2500$ and more a "donation" then you have a twisted sense of reality."
In actuality, it would be those who don't realize it is a donation that suffer from a twisted sense of reality...and since you don't think it is then it is indeed you with the issue.
Allow me to post this definition in an attempt to clear this up.
_____________________
DEFINITION of 'Donation-based Crowd Funding'
Donation-based crowdfunding is a way to source money for a project by asking a large number of contributors to donate a small amount to it. In return, backers may receive token rewards that increase in prestige as the size of the donation increases; for small sums, the funder may receive nothing at all. Sometimes referred to as rewards crowdfunding, the tokens for donations may include pre-sales of an item to be produced with funds raised. Donation-based crowdfunding can also be used in an effort to raise funds for charitable causes.
Because this sort of crowdfunding is predicated on donations, funders do not obtain any ownership or rights to the project, nor do they become creditors to the project.
link to same -> http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/donationbased-crowd-funding.asp______________________
Edit: attempt to clean it up...man this board hates pasting.