wow .. you can't get more P2W than Eve

nariusseldon

http://massivelyop.com/2016/02/15/eve-player-uses-28000-of-skill-injectors-to-create-max-character/

"A bizarre twist on that story has since emerged when another player named IronBank created a brand-new character and used around $28,000 worth of injectors to max out every possible skill he could acquire to level 5. A total of around 2,846 injectors were used to boost the new character up to 473,344,000 skill points that would normally take over 20 years of skill training time to acquire. Those injectors are currently worth over 1.7 trillion ISK or about 1,423 PLEX, which would currently cost between $21,161 and $28,446 to buy with cash."

Is this the ultimate p2w or what?

Mikeha

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Waterlily

I thought you liked cash shop games Narius? Changed your mind?

nariusseldon

Waterlily said:

I thought you liked cash shop games Narius? Changed your mind?

nah .. i like FREE games, and ignore cash shops. You weren't paying attention.

And seriously .. you have no problem with a sub game going super P2W? 

DarLorkar

Yay for (hopefully) disposable income i guess.

Heh i would have stopped before max skills though...i mean what to train on now?:P I guess it is one of those first to be the first.

holdenhamlet

Apparently skill is really important in Eve, so you can't just buy the best stuff and be the best automatically.  I have no idea, though.  I detest the game's graphics and gameplay.

The main thing I take away from stories like this is: "Why the hell don't I have 28k to blow on a video game?"

Daikuru

I wonder what you win.

Waterlily

nariusseldon said:

And seriously .. you have no problem with a sub game going super P2W? 

It bothers me in both P2P and F2P games. I prefer a flat monthly fee without any of this nickel-and-diming, but that's increasingly rare.

DXSins

When does it stop being convenience? lol... Sure you can earn in-game but being able to pay to skip a 20 year grind...

nennafir

Eve has been pay to win for a long time now.  Just the fact that you had to have a subscription passively to level skills (if you were playing or not) made it pay to win. 

Deathenger

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

simsalabim77

Alright, take that twenty year old character out to low-sec in whatever you want and let me know how much you "win." The people who blow you to smithereens will win a bottle of fresh tears. 

TxChief

"you can't get more P2W than Eve"

Entropia Universe still has EVE beat as the most P2W game in the universe but nice try Eve!

nennafir

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

Horusra

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

simsalabim77

Horusra said:

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

Then he can do those things, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed at them just because he has all V's. 

Gyva02

TxChief said:

"you can't get more P2W than Eve"

Entropia Universe still has EVE beat as the most P2W game in the universe but nice try Eve!

lol Entropia, almost forgot about that turd... 

Horusra

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

Then he can do those things, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed at them just because he has all V's. 

maybe not...but what took you years took him minutes...HA HA you are poor and he did what you did but faster...winner.

As was told to me on another thread...server firsts is winning...does someone else have a maxed out charcters...if not...WINNER.

No MMO's have "Winners", but they do have "winning"...

simsalabim77

Horusra said:

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

Then he can do those things, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed at them just because he has all V's. 

maybe not...but what took you years took him minutes...HA HA you are poor and he did what you did but faster...winner.

As was told to me on another thread...server firsts is winning...does someone else have a maxed out charcters...if not...WINNER.

No MMO's have "Winners", but they do have "winning"...

It really doesn't bother me if someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on a character to bypass skill training time. I don't consider that P2W since P2W implies that he's going to "win" at whatever he does in EVE, which is absolutely not the case. 

Vesavius

nariusseldon said:

And seriously .. you have no problem with a sub game going super P2W? 

I was telling you guys that this was where all this was going to end up years ago. Cash shop gaming has always only had one possible end.

Just because you choosing to ignore cash shops suited you, you chose to argue in defense of the cash shop model, supporting it's fundamentally dishonest tactics and unscrupulous exploitation of the stupid and vulnerable. Your championing of 'free' games has played a part in this end result you seem to be so shocked about. 

Yours, and others, personal relying on whales to pay your way in games makes it essential to maximise the revenue off those whales in order to carry freeloaders and still make a profit.

I can't believe that you lack the self awareness to see the part your philosophy in (not) paying for your games under the cash shop has contributed. You celebrated the cash shop model because it made it cheap for you.

Welcome to the world you helped create. It's too late to be shocked now.

Horusra

Well that is the case in every game then.  Since just because I can buy the best armor, weapons, skills does not = instant win against people that put in time to get the same stuff.  The point is he used real money to bypass the game.  Same with buying characters...P2W cause you put yourself in the position to win by using cash and not ingame methods.

Hrimnir

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

Then he can do those things, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed at them just because he has all V's. 

maybe not...but what took you years took him minutes...HA HA you are poor and he did what you did but faster...winner.

As was told to me on another thread...server firsts is winning...does someone else have a maxed out charcters...if not...WINNER.

No MMO's have "Winners", but they do have "winning"...

It really doesn't bother me if someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on a character to bypass skill training time. I don't consider that P2W since P2W implies that he's going to "win" at whatever he does in EVE, which is absolutely not the case. 

That's an extremely literal definition of P2W and not one that pretty much anybody recognizes.

P2W is really "Pay to have an advantage"  Everyone differs as to how much of an advantage constitutes "winning", but thats the reality of it.

And i'm sorry, but you're just being intellectually dishonest if you're trying to suggest someone with maxed out skills won't win against an equally (player) skilled person with less SP.

Yes, if you gave lance armstrong a heavy piece of shit bike and had him race against an overweight guy with a 50k super light race bike, lance armstrong will win, handily.  That's not really saying much.  But if you had 2 copies of lance armstrong and one on shitty bike other on super awesome bike, guess who is gonna win spectacularly.

simsalabim77

Hrimnir said:

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

Then he can do those things, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed at them just because he has all V's. 

maybe not...but what took you years took him minutes...HA HA you are poor and he did what you did but faster...winner.

As was told to me on another thread...server firsts is winning...does someone else have a maxed out charcters...if not...WINNER.

No MMO's have "Winners", but they do have "winning"...

It really doesn't bother me if someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on a character to bypass skill training time. I don't consider that P2W since P2W implies that he's going to "win" at whatever he does in EVE, which is absolutely not the case. 

That's an extremely literal definition of P2W and not one that pretty much anybody recognizes.

P2W is really "Pay to have an advantage"  Everyone differs as to how much of an advantage constitutes "winning", but thats the reality of it.

And i'm sorry, but you're just being intellectually dishonest if you're trying to suggest someone with maxed out skills won't win against an equally (player) skilled person with less SP.

Yes, if you gave lance armstrong a heavy piece of shit bike and had him race against an overweight guy with a 50k super light race bike, lance armstrong will win, handily.  That's not really saying much.  But if you had 2 copies of lance armstrong and one on shitty bike other on super awesome bike, guess who is gonna win spectacularly.

It's not being intellectually dishonest to say a skilled player won't lose to a week old character in a Catalyst. It happens all the time. You are never safe in EVE no matter how much you pay for an advantage. 

Deathenger

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

Then he can do those things, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed at them just because he has all V's. 

I'll answer all of this right here.

I have been playing off and on since 2007 my first toon has 35million SP and my main has 134million sp. I acquired my main when it had 70mil skill points. I thought I was gonna start owning people, but quickly realized that was not going to happen. Now, I'm older and wiser (in game). I have an excellent understanding of combat mechanics I have never came here claiming to be a PVP god.I'm at best a middle ground skilled played. To this very day my hands still shake when I get into solo engagements!!! Shit, heres my killboard, not much to write home about. https://zkillboard.com/character/1484513237/


More skillpoints can open up more of the game for you definitely but you arent gonna "win" EvE. If someone starts a new characters and spends thousands and THOUSANDS of dollars to skill injector it up, they're going to be in for a rude awakening. Skillpoints and isk out the ass wont win you shit cept a red killboard and buyers remorse. LOL

What if a skilled person, who knows the game well max skilled a toon with the new skill injectors? Now instead of having a Market trading toon, Industry toon, corp management toon, combat toon... ect ect. Now that have 1 character than can do all the things people do with 4 or 5 alts. Big fucking deal! Also, people could already buy characters with over 100million skillpoints on the character bazaar anyway.

I feel they should have capped the skillpoints at 100mil for the injectors. Just because of the forums trolls and other scrubs who just wanna talk trash about sonething they know nothing about.

Also, im all for these skill injectors. For years forums scrubs made cases after case about how youll never catch up to a vet... blah blah blah. Now you have another way besides character bazaar to "catch up". Shoot, I have some skills I dont want. I'll probably transfer some to my alt.

 

Horusra

P2W does not say Pay to Always Win....

Horusra

simsalabim77 said:

Hrimnir said:

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

simsalabim77 said:

Horusra said:

nennafir said:

Deathenger said:

All the skills and isk in the world won't win you EvE. 

Pros in cheap ships own scrubs in bling all day erry day. Take your tears and your bullshit and check it at the door ! 

Spoken like someone who has been playing for a while (do you deny it?) and is relying on the passive gain from skills even if they will not admit it...

More like he is assuming it was purchased by someone that never played the game....what if someone with lots of experience just wanted a pimped alt that could switch ships on the fly, has a new unknown name, and can basically do everything in the game?

Then he can do those things, but that doesn't mean he's going to succeed at them just because he has all V's. 

maybe not...but what took you years took him minutes...HA HA you are poor and he did what you did but faster...winner.

As was told to me on another thread...server firsts is winning...does someone else have a maxed out charcters...if not...WINNER.

No MMO's have "Winners", but they do have "winning"...

It really doesn't bother me if someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on a character to bypass skill training time. I don't consider that P2W since P2W implies that he's going to "win" at whatever he does in EVE, which is absolutely not the case. 

That's an extremely literal definition of P2W and not one that pretty much anybody recognizes.

P2W is really "Pay to have an advantage"  Everyone differs as to how much of an advantage constitutes "winning", but thats the reality of it.

And i'm sorry, but you're just being intellectually dishonest if you're trying to suggest someone with maxed out skills won't win against an equally (player) skilled person with less SP.

Yes, if you gave lance armstrong a heavy piece of shit bike and had him race against an overweight guy with a 50k super light race bike, lance armstrong will win, handily.  That's not really saying much.  But if you had 2 copies of lance armstrong and one on shitty bike other on super awesome bike, guess who is gonna win spectacularly.

It's not being intellectually dishonest to say a skilled player won't lose to a week old character in a Catalyst. It happens all the time. You are never safe in EVE no matter how much you pay for an advantage. 

Bet he has a much better chance than any other character just made the same day as him....