VR... Meh... Llike 3D in theaters it is kinda nice, but ultimately it is just kinda... Meh.
But if someone takes Microsofts Hololens idea and make it full view angle, THEN we are talking!
ok I gotta go with this.
1. I personally am likely the biggest VR fanatic on these forums and you know what? I never cared about 3D. Why? a LOT of reasons VR is way better for multiple reasons.
2. when I play a video game do I want to see my dirty kitchen counter? my coffee cup? my laundry? my dirty couch? or for that matter a virtual avatar jumping up down on my extreemly humble home. OR would I like the developer to control 10000000% of what I see? put not me and my living room in space but put me in space. Yeah so for nearly 10x the cost of VR the experience is worse? no...this is ALL because the word 'Microsoft' is attached to the name
Yet Microsoft is the OS system that 90% of all VR apps will run on
which doesnt exactly address why i would want to play a game where I see my dirty laundry with a digital avatar jumping on it but with that said Microsoft has been doing that since the 80s, which I might add was an era when they were actually did good things for PC gaming. Now you have to spin all the most recent statements regarding PC Gaming and spin the 'why' in those statements to actually meaning...having an OS
a lot of spinning going around here
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Spin? What are you talking about? Is it not true that OR will run not only on Windows but also Linux and Mac Os? Is it not true that of that market share Windows dominates? Is it not true that major developers and publishers are supporting VR and DirectX 12 is even being supported in many of those? So what is being spun exactly? These are facts. Microsoft is not this giant evil corporation that you seem to want others to think it is. They are a business. Just like millions of other businesses. They make poor decisions at times and good decisions at times. Get off your high horse and try and acquire a business acumen. If you really want VR to take off like you claim you do? Then success on the Windows platform is crucial for that success to happen. This Large corporation diatribe you speak is nauseating. I mean you are so against AAA and AAA companies yet who owns OR? lol Get out of here with your silly talk.
Let me say it this way then
Phil 2015: 'we are 100% committed to PC gaming because we are offering you to play console games on the PC'
You: 'what he really means to say is that he is 100% commited to gaming not just PC gaming and that Microsoft is committed to gaming because they have windows'
you are completely and totally and utterly smashed on the koolaid, drunk as can be.
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Actually Microsoft in the past year has made good strides to commit to the PC gaming arena. They have done what they are saying they wanted to do. No KoolAid, just looking at it non biased and seeing what they have and have not done.
and according to what you just said a few moments ago you are suggesting what that item is...is....the OS because the OS can run games.
now its your turn to say 'it is the OS but not just because it can run games but because it can run console games and stream console games and DX12'
then I will say 'then explain your comment on windows being able to run all VR apps, why did you say that?
then you will say 'because this something good that microsoft has done for PC gaming. Provide an OS for gamers to build games one'
then I will say 'but they have always done that'
then you will say 'but in this year they have done more than just that'
then i will say 'then why did you mention Windows as just an OS for gaming'
and again and again and again.
what I dont know is if you are doing it on purpose or not
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Ok THAT was a confusing mess, but I think I have it down.
@hfztt compares VR to 3D movies and loving on AR, more specifically HoloLense
@SEANMCAD then comes back to defend VR with , "a LOT of reasons VR is way better for multiple reasons." and talks about why he doesn't like AR and saying people are only liking hololense because it has M$ name on it.
@blueturtle13 then sees SEANMCAD HATES MICROSOFT and claims 90% of all VR games will be running on MS OS - which I might add as obviously a misread (if read at all) of a post and making a bit of a useless comment. Sorry blueturtle13, but the quoted comment had nothing to do with "Windows" specifically. not to mentions 90% of ALL GAMES run on windows anyway :P
(since when did /:P mean pleased? It's supposed to be a tongue. Fix your damn emoticons MMORPG.com)
then @SEANMCAD goes on some future telling rampage, then @blueturtle13 replies with something I just don't eve....
Never mind I don't have it. I'm tired. Good night.
ON TOPIC: Free FORZA!!, and one more thing to the guy who mentioned not wanting Windows 10 because it didn't offer any games he was interested in; it plays the current games better too. So there's that.
Ok THAT was a confusing mess, but I think I have it down.
@hfztt compares VR to 3D movies and loving on AR, more specifically HoloLense
@SEANMCAD then comes back to defend VR with , "a LOT of reasons VR is way better for multiple reasons." and talks about why he doesn't like AR and saying people are only liking hololense because it has M$ name on it.
@blueturtle13 then sees SEANMCAD HATES MICROSOFT and claims 90% of all VR games will be running on MS OS - which I might add as obviously a misread (if read at all) of a post and making a bit of a useless comment. Sorry blueturtle13, but the quoted comment had nothing to do with "Windows" specifically. not to mentions 90% of ALL GAMES run on windows anyway :P
(since when did /:P mean pleased? It's supposed to be a tongue. Fix your damn emoticons MMORPG.com)
then @SEANMCAD goes on some future telling rampage, then @blueturtle13 replies with something I just don't eve....
Never mind I don't have it. I'm tired. Good night.
ON TOPIC: Free FORZA!!, and one more thing to the guy who mentioned not wanting Windows 10 because it didn't offer any games he was interested in; it plays the current games better too. So there's that.
Funny how in most benchmarks there is virtually no difference in performance between 7,8 and 10. beware of hype. Choosing whether or not to change to Win 10 from either 7 or 8, was never about the games, there are some significant issues involved, not least of which is the privacy issues, and lack of control over the OS itself, which you do have over the previous versions. Offering free games is just the latest 'bait' to try and get people to use Win 10, we'll probably see many more attempts prior to Vulkan going live, because once it does, Dx12 is suddenly sidelined, and there becomes even less reason to change to Win 10. While its likely that games will be developed to use Dx12, chances are they will also be supporting Vulkan, which will mean that whether you have Dx12 or not, will be totally irrelevant. Which is great news for PC gamers, but not because of anything Microsoft are doing.
Actually Microsoft in the past year has made good strides to commit to the PC gaming arena. They have done what they are saying they wanted to do. No KoolAid, just looking at it non biased and seeing what they have and have not done.
and according to what you just said a few moments ago you are suggesting what that item is...is....the OS because the OS can run games.
now its your turn to say 'it is the OS but not just because it can run games but because it can run console games and stream console games and DX12'
then I will say 'then explain your comment on windows being able to run all VR apps, why did you say that?
then you will say 'because this something good that microsoft has done for PC gaming'
then I will say 'but they have always done that'
then you will say 'but in this year they have done more than just that'
then i will say 'then why did you mention Windows as just an OS for gaming'
and again and again and again.
what I dont know is if you are doing it on purpose or not
Actually I was not referring to any of that. I was talking about developing a premier racing game for PC gamers. I was talking about finally bringing Gears of War over to the PC which has been a loud request for a long time now. Taking full advantage of the PC platform and it's power. I was talking about Fable Legends on PC I was talking about Minecraft on PC in VR I was talking about Ori and the Blind Forest on PC I was talking about Rise of the Tomb Raider on PC I was talking about Quantum Break on PC I was talking about Sea of Thieves on PC I was talking about Recore on PC (From the legendary creator Keiji Inafune and the makers of Metroid Prime)
and many many others
so I can just discard the statement of 'but all those VR apps run on windows' I still dont know what you are atrying to suggest with that statement and I have no idea what that statement has to do with your reply here.
anyway as a side not I personally think a 'premier racing game for PC' is a bad idea. What I mean by that is that I think racing games (and for that matter farming games) are PERFECT for the console style of gaming but not as much for a PC.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Ok THAT was a confusing mess, but I think I have it down.
@hfztt compares VR to 3D movies and loving on AR, more specifically HoloLense
@SEANMCAD then comes back to defend VR with , "a LOT of reasons VR is way better for multiple reasons." and talks about why he doesn't like AR and saying people are only liking hololense because it has M$ name on it.
@blueturtle13 then sees SEANMCAD HATES MICROSOFT and claims 90% of all VR games will be running on MS OS - which I might add as obviously a misread (if read at all) of a post and making a bit of a useless comment. Sorry blueturtle13, but the quoted comment had nothing to do with "Windows" specifically. not to mentions 90% of ALL GAMES run on windows anyway :P
(since when did /:P mean pleased? It's supposed to be a tongue. Fix your damn emoticons MMORPG.com)
then @SEANMCAD goes on some future telling rampage, then @blueturtle13 replies with something I just don't eve....
Never mind I don't have it. I'm tired. Good night.
ON TOPIC: Free FORZA!!, and one more thing to the guy who mentioned not wanting Windows 10 because it didn't offer any games he was interested in; it plays the current games better too. So there's tha
I am very confused to really based on one statement
'yeah but all those VR apps will run on windows'
I dont understand what specifically that statement is in response to
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I dont understand, FORZA is EXACTLY one of the games i am saying I am not interested in. hello? anyone?
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Awesome!!! Windows/Microsoft is taking good strides in PC gaming. About time.
No, they are just unfashionably late and realising, belatedly that there is a huge amount of money involved in having an online store for digital games aka Steam/Origin etc. Windows 8 brought Microsofts store to the surface with apps, many of which were tiny things better suited to the mobile market, but with Win 10, its become integral, and they are pushing it to the max, if only they had managed to persuade more than 10% windows users to actually get the thing, seems you can't give stuff away free these days, but hey, here's Forza to change your mind and use the Free OS, nothing suspicious about that at all
Awesome!!! Windows/Microsoft is taking good strides in PC gaming. About time.
No, they are just unfashionably late and realising, belatedly that there is a huge amount of money involved in having an online store for digital games aka Steam/Origin etc. Windows 8 brought Microsofts store to the surface with apps, many of which were tiny things better suited to the mobile market, but with Win 10, its become integral, and they are pushing it to the max, if only they had managed to persuade more than 10% windows users to actually get the thing, seems you can't give stuff away free these days, but hey, here's Forza to change your mind and use the Free OS, nothing suspicious about that at all
Phil Spencer publicly said that Microsoft hasnt been committed to PC gaming but now is and evidence of that commitment is 100% related to consoles. People who consider themselves to be PC gamers should be at least a little insulted
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Awesome!!! Windows/Microsoft is taking good strides in PC gaming. About time.
No, they are just unfashionably late and realising, belatedly that there is a huge amount of money involved in having an online store for digital games aka Steam/Origin etc. Windows 8 brought Microsofts store to the surface with apps, many of which were tiny things better suited to the mobile market, but with Win 10, its become integral, and they are pushing it to the max, if only they had managed to persuade more than 10% windows users to actually get the thing, seems you can't give stuff away free these days, but hey, here's Forza to change your mind and use the Free OS, nothing suspicious about that at all
Phil Spencer publicly said that Microsoft hasnt been committed to PC gaming but now is and evidence of that commitment is 100% related to consoles. People who consider themselves to be PC gamers should be at least a little insulted
Being insulted by Microsoft is nothing unusual, but its reciprocal. Trusting Microsoft to do anything 'altruistically' is a dodgy proposition at best, which is why when you see them offering something with the one hand, be sure, very very sure you are watching the other hand very closely.
Awesome!!! Windows/Microsoft is taking good strides in PC gaming. About time.
No, they are just unfashionably late and realising, belatedly that there is a huge amount of money involved in having an online store for digital games aka Steam/Origin etc. Windows 8 brought Microsofts store to the surface with apps, many of which were tiny things better suited to the mobile market, but with Win 10, its become integral, and they are pushing it to the max, if only they had managed to persuade more than 10% windows users to actually get the thing, seems you can't give stuff away free these days, but hey, here's Forza to change your mind and use the Free OS, nothing suspicious about that at all
Phil Spencer publicly said that Microsoft hasnt been committed to PC gaming but now is and evidence of that commitment is 100% related to consoles. People who consider themselves to be PC gamers should be at least a little insulted
Being insulted by Microsoft is nothing unusual, but its reciprocal. Trusting Microsoft to do anything 'altruistically' is a dodgy proposition at best, which is why when you see them offering something with the one hand, be sure, very very sure you are watching the other hand very closely.
yes and because its a subject close to me anytime I see that xbox logo or the word xbox in said statements by Microsoft I get doubly suspicious
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You guys are going all platform native in your own corners. I don't think Microsoft is doing this to target your demographic. It's not that they wouldn't like to see adoption from outliers, but that they're not wasting energy trying to convince you.
This is about the adopters. This is to get those of us who already like the platform to spend more money with them instead of other services. It's to solidify the XBox platform with the PC platform. That's what it's doing for Windows 10 gamers. If you're not a Windows 10 gamer they're not talking to you specifically.
It probably would be more accurate to substitute "PC Gamer" with "Windows 10 Gamer". That is who the customer is. The rest of Windows users will be on Win10 eventually.
or as so many have been pontificating that Phil is actually saying despite him literally NOT saying it..
he should be just 'gamers' and not 'PC gamers'. For someone who claims to be behind the 'we are all just gamers' movement he sure does use a lot of divisive language
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
You guys are going all platform native in your own corners. I don't think Microsoft is doing this to target your demographic. It's not that they wouldn't like to see adoption from outliers, but that they're not wasting energy trying to convince you.
This is about the adopters. This is to get those of us who already like the platform to spend more money with them instead of other services. It's to solidify the XBox platform with the PC platform. That's what it's doing for Windows 10 gamers. If you're not a Windows 10 gamer they're not talking to you specifically.
It probably would be more accurate to substitute "PC Gamer" with "Windows 10 Gamer". That is who the customer is. The rest of Windows users will be on Win10 eventually.
On the contrary they are trying to target gamers, they do after all have a very real problem on their hands. On the one hand you have a very low uptake of their newest, sparkliest, somewhat privacy problematic Operating System, and on the other you have the imminent arrival of a rival of their also new and platform limited Direct X system. Windows 8, was a hard sell for Microsoft, but Win 8 is still doing better than Win 10, and people had to pay actual money for Win 8! As for the rest of Windows users getting Win 10 eventually, particularly as it is still competing with Windows XP for numbers, yeah, good luck with that one Maybe Win 11.. or whatever they call the next one, will have better luck, and have less datamining. People will after all buy a Windows operating system if its any good.
Yeah, if you're an outlier it sends the signal that you're not included.
no you dont understand what i said, if your post is a reply to mine.
If you want to be part of a movement that is around 'we are all gamers' the last thing you want to do to push that agenda forward is to EVER use the word 'PC Gamer' or 'Console Gamer' unless you are describing how things should not be
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
also..I got to put an end to this 'outlier' crap. Given the numbers there is a strong likelyhood that there are 2x times number of 'PC Gamers' who dont have a console then there are next gen console players in total.
actually the numbers i am giving does not count the last generation systems which to be fair are what? 10 year old technology?
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Yeah, if you're an outlier it sends the signal that you're not included. But that's your choice. They can't make you buy in and that's why you're not included. It's not worth the effort and expense to try and convince the outliers.
If you're into paranoid conspiracies about privacy they're not going to change enough of their platform to convince you, just so you'll adopt the OS. Either you'll adopt eventually or you'll move to Mac or Linux. If you're a Linux user they're not going to waste the effort anyway.
If you're the tiny demographic that thinks in terms of "PC master race" then you're a dinosaur and they're not going to try and force you to think differently. The lines between hardware platforms are getting blurrier every generation. There is more in common with an XB1 and a small form factor PC than every before. You may not like that, but they're not really worried about you.
Funny thing, and glad you mentioned the XB1, turns out, that the games being released in the Windows Store, are not as good as the same games that are available on Steam, it now makes sense why they are giving away Forza for free, limited resolutions available and no sli mode, among other things, and limited to 1080 in full windowed mode... oops, always a good idea to check what the other hands holding when it comes to microsoft, but it turns out what they were offering wasn't all that good in the first place. Microsofts store, worst thing for PC gaming .. ever.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtVXWbOkbGc
You guys are going all platform native in your own corners. I don't think Microsoft is doing this to target your demographic. It's not that they wouldn't like to see adoption from outliers, but that they're not wasting energy trying to convince you.
This is about the adopters. This is to get those of us who already like the platform to spend more money with them instead of other services. It's to solidify the XBox platform with the PC platform. That's what it's doing for Windows 10 gamers. If you're not a Windows 10 gamer they're not talking to you specifically.
It probably would be more accurate to substitute "PC Gamer" with "Windows 10 Gamer". That is who the customer is. The rest of Windows users will be on Win10 eventually.
On the contrary they are trying to target gamers, they do after all have a very real problem on their hands. On the one hand you have a very low uptake of their newest, sparkliest, somewhat privacy problematic Operating System, and on the other you have the imminent arrival of a rival of their also new and platform limited Direct X system. Windows 8, was a hard sell for Microsoft, but Win 8 is still doing better than Win 10, and people had to pay actual money for Win 8! As for the rest of Windows users getting Win 10 eventually, particularly as it is still competing with Windows XP for numbers, yeah, good luck with that one Maybe Win 11.. or whatever they call the next one, will have better luck, and have less datamining. People will after all buy a Windows operating system if its any good.
Prove that statement. You are incorrect and the facts back that up but I want you to prove they have a low uptake of Windows 10. Show proof. That is a false statement
Guys! both of you, lets bring this into context.
there are 1 billion active PCs in the world and that count was in 2008. do we think most people who buy windows do it because of gaming?
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a lot of spinning going around here
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Phil 2015: 'we are 100% committed to PC gaming because we are offering you to play console games on the PC'
You: 'what he really means to say is that he is 100% commited to gaming not just PC gaming and that Microsoft is committed to gaming because they have windows'
you are completely and totally and utterly smashed on the koolaid, drunk as can be.
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now its your turn to say 'it is the OS but not just because it can run games but because it can run console games and stream console games and DX12'
then I will say 'then explain your comment on windows being able to run all VR apps, why did you say that?
then you will say 'because this something good that microsoft has done for PC gaming. Provide an OS for gamers to build games one'
then I will say 'but they have always done that'
then you will say 'but in this year they have done more than just that'
then i will say 'then why did you mention Windows as just an OS for gaming'
and again and again and again.
what I dont know is if you are doing it on purpose or not
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@hfztt compares VR to 3D movies and loving on AR, more specifically HoloLense
@SEANMCAD then comes back to defend VR with , "a LOT of reasons VR is way better for multiple reasons." and talks about why he doesn't like AR and saying people are only liking hololense because it has M$ name on it.
@blueturtle13 then sees SEANMCAD HATES MICROSOFT and claims 90% of all VR games will be running on MS OS - which I might add as obviously a misread (if read at all) of a post and making a bit of a useless comment. Sorry blueturtle13, but the quoted comment had nothing to do with "Windows" specifically. not to mentions 90% of ALL GAMES run on windows anyway :P
(since when did /:P mean pleased? It's supposed to be a tongue. Fix your damn emoticons MMORPG.com)
then @SEANMCAD goes on some future telling rampage, then @blueturtle13 replies with something I just don't eve....
Never mind I don't have it. I'm tired. Good night.
ON TOPIC: Free FORZA!!, and one more thing to the guy who mentioned not wanting Windows 10 because it didn't offer any games he was interested in; it plays the current games better too. So there's that.
beware of hype.
Choosing whether or not to change to Win 10 from either 7 or 8, was never about the games, there are some significant issues involved, not least of which is the privacy issues, and lack of control over the OS itself, which you do have over the previous versions.
Offering free games is just the latest 'bait' to try and get people to use Win 10, we'll probably see many more attempts prior to Vulkan going live, because once it does, Dx12 is suddenly sidelined, and there becomes even less reason to change to Win 10.
While its likely that games will be developed to use Dx12, chances are they will also be supporting Vulkan, which will mean that whether you have Dx12 or not, will be totally irrelevant.
Which is great news for PC gamers, but not because of anything Microsoft are doing.
anyway as a side not I personally think a 'premier racing game for PC' is a bad idea. What I mean by that is that I think racing games (and for that matter farming games) are PERFECT for the console style of gaming but not as much for a PC.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
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ON TOPIC: Free FORZA!!, and one more thing to the guy who mentioned not wanting Windows 10 because it didn't offer any games he was interested in; it plays the current games better too. So there's that
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I dont understand, FORZA is EXACTLY one of the games i am saying I am not interested in. hello? anyone?
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GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
Windows 8 brought Microsofts store to the surface with apps, many of which were tiny things better suited to the mobile market, but with Win 10, its become integral, and they are pushing it to the max, if only they had managed to persuade more than 10% windows users to actually get the thing, seems you can't give stuff away free these days, but hey, here's Forza to change your mind and use the Free OS, nothing suspicious about that at all
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Please do not respond to me
Trusting Microsoft to do anything 'altruistically' is a dodgy proposition at best, which is why when you see them offering something with the one hand, be sure, very very sure you are watching the other hand very closely.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
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he should be just 'gamers' and not 'PC gamers'. For someone who claims to be behind the 'we are all just gamers' movement he sure does use a lot of divisive language
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On the one hand you have a very low uptake of their newest, sparkliest, somewhat privacy problematic Operating System, and on the other you have the imminent arrival of a rival of their also new and platform limited Direct X system.
Windows 8, was a hard sell for Microsoft, but Win 8 is still doing better than Win 10, and people had to pay actual money for Win 8!
As for the rest of Windows users getting Win 10 eventually, particularly as it is still competing with Windows XP for numbers, yeah, good luck with that one
Maybe Win 11.. or whatever they call the next one, will have better luck, and have less datamining.
People will after all buy a Windows operating system if its any good.
If you want to be part of a movement that is around 'we are all gamers' the last thing you want to do to push that agenda forward is to EVER use the word 'PC Gamer' or 'Console Gamer' unless you are describing how things should not be
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actually the numbers i am giving does not count the last generation systems which to be fair are what? 10 year old technology?
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Microsofts store, worst thing for PC gaming .. ever..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtVXWbOkbGc
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there are 1 billion active PCs in the world and that count was in 2008. do we think most people who buy windows do it because of gaming?
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